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Okla-homey
3/5/2007, 07:44 AM
Mar 5, 1770: The "Boston Massacre"

237 years ago tonight, on the cold, snowy evening of March 5, 1770, a mob of American colonists gathers at the Customs House in Boston and begins taunting the British soldiers guarding the building.

The protesters, who referred to themselves as Patriots, were protesting the occupation of their city by British troops, who had been deployed to Boston two years earlier in 1768 to enforce unpopular taxation measures passed by a British parliament that lacked American representation -- that would be that whole taxation without representation dealio.

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The cobblestone ring on the traffic island at the Devonshire and State Street intersection marks the site where five colonists were killed by a British guard

British Captain Thomas Preston, the detachmant commander of the squad-sized element charged with guarding the Customs House, ordered his men to load, fix their bayonets, remain at "half-****" and join the guard outside the building in a show of force to keep order and discourage any actual assault of the Crown facility where the tax revenues were stored.

At least 80 colonists responded by throwing snowballs and other objects at the nine British regulars. Private Hugh Montgomery was hit in the head and bloodied either by a piece of kindling wood, or by a snowball which had been formed around a stone hurled by a protester. In his shock and rage, Montgomery reacted by firing his musket at the crowd. Capt. Preston later testified Montgomery had not been ordered to do so. At any rate, Montgomery pulled his trigger.

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Probably a reasonably accurate depiction of the instant of Crispus Attucks' shooting death.

The other soldiers began firing a moment later and a general melee ensued. When the smoke cleared, five colonists were dead or dying - Crispus Attucks, Patrick Carr, Samuel Gray, Samuel Maverick, and James Caldwell - and three more were injured. The crowd fled and order was restored.

Although it is unclear whether Crispus Attucks, a free black man, was the first to fall as is commonly believed, the deaths of the five men are regarded by some historians as the first fatalities in the American Revolutionary War.

The British soldiers were put on trial, and American lawyers John Adams and Josiah Quincy agreed to defend the soldiers in a show of support for the rule of law. When the trial ended nine months after the incident in December 1770, two British soldiers were found guilty of manslaughter, were drummed out of the army and had their thumbs branded with an "M" as punishment. The other seven, including Capt Preston, were acquitted of the murders on the grounds their actions were excused as self-defense.

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John Adams. Big time patriot himself and second president of the United States. He agreed to defend the indicted soldiers because he beleived it was important that they receive a fair trial

Defense attorney John Adams, later entered these words into his diary:


"The Part I took in Defence of Cptn. Preston and the Soldiers, procured me Anxiety, and Obloquy enough. It was, however, one of the most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested Actions of my whole Life, and one of the best Pieces of Service I ever rendered my Country. Judgment of Death against those Soldiers would have been as foul a Stain upon this Country as the Executions of the Quakers or Witches, anciently. As the Evidence was, the Verdict of the Jury was exactly right.

"This however is no Reason why the Town should not call the Action of that Night a Massacre, nor is it any Argument in favour of the Governor or Minister, who caused them to be sent here. But it is the strongest Proofs of the Danger of Standing Armies."

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A copy of the published trial report, now in the National Archives.

The Sons of Liberty, a Patriot group formed in 1765 to oppose the Stamp Act, advertised the "Boston Massacre" as a battle for American liberty and just cause for the removal of British troops from Boston.

Patriot Paul Revere made a provocative engraving of the incident, depicting the British soldiers lining up like an organized army to suppress an idealized representation of the colonist uprising. Copies of the engraving were distributed throughout the colonies and helped reinforce negative American sentiments about British rule.

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Paul Revere's provocative engraving. Factually flawed because it depicted the incident as a scene of deliberate orderly fire by the soldiers on order from their commander and the colonists are illustrated without their clubs and show no violent intent.

Five years later, in April 1775, the American Revolution actually began when British troops from Boston ordered to confiscate an illegal arms cache skirmished with American militiamen at the battles of Lexington and Concord.

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jk the sooner fan
3/5/2007, 07:50 AM
so the british were the first to employ Lincolnian military tactics..........those bastards

Okla-homey
3/5/2007, 08:19 AM
so the british were the first to employ Lincolnian military tactics..........those bastards

No, but its pretty clear to me that we have a long tradition of "spin" in this country. :D

Hatfield
3/5/2007, 09:32 AM
didn't realize only 5 people were killed....seems a little light as far as "massacres" go.

as always thanks for the info...errrr....reminder.

tbl
3/5/2007, 10:17 AM
didn't realize only 5 people were killed....seems a little light as far as "massacres" go.

Thats what I was thinking. Sounds like the Americans wanted to hype it up a little bit to fire people up.

SoonerStormchaser
3/5/2007, 10:45 AM
The Brits didn't do a good enough job...there's still a bunch of pansy *** liberals up there!

FaninAma
3/5/2007, 11:34 AM
Actually, if there was no evidence the soldiers could have retreated safely from the crowd then it was self defense.

BTW, the only "Lincolnian" military tactic or strategy employed in the Civil War was to have Generals who were brutal enough to force the South into submission by using all means available to them.

Frozen Sooner
3/5/2007, 12:31 PM
I walked the Freedom Trail this June. Cool, cool stuff. However, that cobblestone ring got moved a few years back-the actual site of the massacre is in the middle of an intersection now. :(

There was also a small child who was killed by a British soldier a couple days earlier-he got stuck in with the Boston Massacre people to fire people up a bit more.

Okla-homey
3/5/2007, 06:07 PM
Boston school kids "reenacting" the event...from Saturday. Pretty cool.
I wonder if the anti-gun crowd had anything to say about this?;)

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SicEmBaylor
3/5/2007, 06:13 PM
2nd greatest event at the site was when this guy visited:
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jacru
3/5/2007, 07:53 PM
The Brits didn't do a good enough job...there's still a bunch of pansy *** liberals up there!
They weren't pansy *** liberals then. :cool: I wonder what happened?:confused: What turned patriots to p*ssies?

Okla-homey
3/6/2007, 07:18 AM
They weren't pansy *** liberals then. :cool: I wonder what happened?:confused: What turned patriots to p*ssies?

I would offer the following. In their day, the New England Patriots (not the NFL team) were mostly concerned about taxes. Specifically, they perceived as overly burdensome and intolerable the taxes exacted by the Crown to reimburse the expense of the French & Indian War and to pay for the presence of British troops posted to North America to protect them from various threats. IOW, they didn't abide with the notion that government existed to take care of them.

Much later, these New England folks' descendents somehow became convinced taxes used to provide "cradle to grave" social services are a good thing. Thus, they are now fond of governments attempts to take care of them

FaninAma
3/6/2007, 10:40 AM
IOW, they didn't abide with the notion that government existed to take care of them.

My, how times have changed. One might ask one's self where and when this perception of the role of the federal government changed.