Democrats Looking For Someone To Surrender To

[FaninAma]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253907,00.html
The single mindedness of the Democrats regarding the Iraq war and their determination to withdraw the troops no matter what the cost reminds me of the Mash episode in which the North Korean soldier surrendered to everyone he met. At one point Hawkeye Pierce notes that he hasn't tried to surrender to Colonel Potter's horse, yet.

Well, I think the Democrats are to the point that they would surrender to Colonel Potter's horse.

[Hatfield]

i must have missed where it pointed out in your article the plans to surrender to everyone.

[usmc-sooner]

i must have missed where it pointed out in your article the plans to surrender to everyone.

It's in the Democrat's Mission Statement

if it moves, do not offend it, but surrender to it.

if it doesn't move, tax it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I have surrendered to the wisdom of democrattedeness. I am joining them so I can keep on surrendering....ZOWEE!

[JohnnyMack]

We talk about "finishing the job" and not "cutting and running" but I'd like to ask a question. Are you in favor of an open-ended conflict in terms of Iraq? Do you favor any sort of timetable?

[usmc-sooner]

We talk about "finishing the job" and not "cutting and running" but I'd like to ask a question. Are you in favor of an open-ended conflict in terms of Iraq? Do you favor any sort of timetable?

I think we should wait until we have a Democrat President before we surrender. That's my timetable.

[OklahomaTuba]

We talk about "finishing the job" and not "cutting and running" but I'd like to ask a question. Are you in favor of an open-ended conflict in terms of Iraq? Do you favor any sort of timetable?

How bout we finish the job first, then leave?

Unless you really want to see thousands of brown people get killed without anyone to help them.

[JohnnyMack]

How bout we finish the job first, then leave?

Unless you really want to see thousands of brown people get killed without anyone to help them.

Do you think the job can be "finished"?

[OklahomaTuba]

Do you think the job can be "finished"?

In Iraq, Yes, I do.

And so do most military people.

If I didn't think that, I would want our men and women out of there ASAP.

But we need to be MORE aggresive, not trying to strip our troops of the tools and ROE's they need to win, as the dims would have us do.

[SicEmBaylor]

I'm not a fan of the war by anymeans, but we're there now and the US has to do everything it can possibly do in order to win. We can't afford a loss of face in the region, the effects would be devastating.

If we have to mobilize the entire damned country and send every man, woman, and child over there with an M-16 then do it.

Honestly though, I don't see this conflict with radical extremists ending anytime soon. If we had to drop the big one on every one of their cities or indiscriminately carpet bomb their cities into rubble turning the desert into glass then let's just get it over with and do it.

I will say that one dirka speaking POS life does not equal the life of 1 American. Even 10,000 don't.

[jacru]

If American Democrats fought the French, would anyone win?

[FaninAma]

We talk about "finishing the job" and not "cutting and running" but I'd like to ask a question. Are you in favor of an open-ended conflict in terms of Iraq? Do you favor any sort of timetable?

It may just be me but it seems that over the last 2 to 3 weeks the casualties suffered by both US forces and Iraqis seems to have subsided. I know there was one big suicide bombing in a Bahgdad market 2 weeks ago but there's definitely been a decrease in the attacks.

It seems that maybe, just maybe, we've turned the corner and I'm afraid that all of the efforts by the Democrats in Congress to capitulate and throw in the towel will help the insurgency regain some of it's lost willpower.

There's no question that US forces have had to change gears and have had to learn how to fight an insurgency type war but the reports I've been hearing form military family members who have served in Iraq recently indicate these efforts are paying off and that we are winning the war.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

It may just be me but it seems that over the last 2 to 3 weeks the casualties suffered by both US forces and Iraqis seems to have subsided. I know there was one big suicide bombing in a Bahgdad market 2 weeks ago but there's definitely been a decrease in the attacks.

It seems that maybe, just maybe, we've turned the corner and I'm afraid that all of the efforts by the Democrats in Congress to capitulate and throw in the towel will help the insurgency regain some of it's lost willpower.

There's no question that US forces have had to change gears and have had to learn how to fight an insurgency type war but the reports I've been hearing form military family members who have served in Iraq recently indicate these efforts are paying off and that we are winning the war.

Let's hope you're right because this is about the 20th time we've 'turned the corner.'

[MojoRisen]

We need to give Iraq at minimum another year with stepped up pressure- Iraqis have too step up at some point soon. Getting out sooner is a waste of all the time and lives lost fighting this war and is a slap in the face.

We need to have a time table though to set goals around and then execute.

[landrun]

Do you think the job can be "finished"?

No. Of course not. They're big bad Iraq and have high tech weapons like car bombs and grenade launchers. We're a bunch of wusses who can't beat them in a war because we're illiterate morons with no technology. Ever seen us use a car bomb? Nope. And our soldiers are scared little girls while their fighters are big bad god-like men (and women!) who can kick the butts of any of us who visit this board. They're better than we are in every way, can't you see? :rolleyes:

To say we can't win in Iraq is either the height of stupidity or you have a political agenda.

We can easily win in Iraq. If the Dems and CNN will let us FIGHT rather than *****-foot around, we'd be home next month.

In spite of all the spew you read about how we're getting our heads handed to us over there, this has been one of the most successful wars in US history.
We've lost just over 3000 soldiers in 4 years. We lost 6000 soldiers at Iwo Jima in one battle alone in WWII. - a war we understand that we won hands down (could you images the democrats today if they were in office back then?)

But don't repeat that, we wouldn't want to talk about how bad other wars have been compared to this when it makes us all feel self-righteous to point out how our military just plain sucks these days.

[SoonerProphet]

What do we win?

[landrun]

If we win, the Republicans win the White House, the House and the Senate in a land slide.

If we lose, the Dems win by a slim margin.

Hence, the Dems efforts to try to ensure failure in Iraq. They are fully aware of what is at stake. If the US doesn't leave the region and we pull up our sleeves and fight, we WILL win. And the Dems would not control the congress or the White House again for another decade.

[SoonerProphet]

Silly me, I thought I might try to spark an answer beyond partisan bullsh*t replies.

[landrun]

'What do we win' was a serious question?

[SoonerProphet]

'What do we win' was a serious question?

Yep, why don't you spell out for me what "victory" looks like in Iraq?

[MojoRisen]

IT is critical to National Security to have a Friendly ally in the mid east with access to the entire region in case we have too really go demolish some Governments in the future.

Victory in Iraq would be to stabilize the country and have Iraqis defend themselves and govern themselves and yes if we need too allow us to use the country to stage a regional conflict on short notice- if the bad boys continue to breed teriost who threaten our national security.

Anybody who doesn't want to fight- really should think what type of causuaties at home are acceptable- when the next 9/11 happens.

We are at war with these people and it will not go away with Iraq.. We need Iraq in my opinion.

Regardless of who is in office

[Bourbon St Sooner]

If we win, the Republicans win the White House, the House and the Senate in a land slide.



Great! I'm sure this time the era of big government will really be over :rolleyes:

[MojoRisen]

It will be an interesting day when the DOW Jones is not effected by the price of Crude oil...

Let business do business and let volunteer soldiers fight for National Security.

The partisian BS on 3-4 issues is killing America.

[landrun]

Yep, why don't you spell out for me what "victory" looks like in Iraq?

Total victory is where we annex the place and control the oil. :D

Victory is where we leave Iraq with the Iraqis governing themselves in relative peace.

[OklahomaTuba]

What do we win?

Security.

And a nice hedge against Iran.

[OklahomaTuba]

The partisian BS on 3-4 issues is killing America.

This isn't partisian anymore.

Not when you have one group of Americans that actually want to see their nation defeated.

Its pure hatred by the angry seething left.

Maybe even racist to some degree.

[JohnnyMack]

Maybe even racist to some degree.

Oh OK I'll play.

What?

[OklahomaTuba]

Oh OK I'll play.

What?

Try to explain how doing almost the same thing in Europe (Yugoslavia) is OK, but in the middle east, it isn't OK.

I think some believe that Muslims and Iraqis are below human, and don't mind seeing them get slaughtered by terrorists.

Well, they don't mind as long as it hurts Bush and the GOP that is.

[OklahomaTuba]

Liberals hate brown people.

Where is Kanye when I need him.

[landrun]

I won't speak for liberals, but liberal politicians don't really care about anyone but themselves.

[sitzpinkler]

I won't speak for liberals, but liberal politicians don't really care about anyone but themselves.

and that's different from a conservative politician how?

[usmc-sooner]

What do we win?

I was kinda wondering if this was a serious question as well.

Anyways it's these kinda responses that usually lead me to stay away from real serious conversations with liberals about war.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

We need to have a time table though to set goals around and then execute. It should be the most highly guarded, unannounced top secret info we have ever had, though, in order to keep it from becoming a liability.

[FaninAma]

i must have missed where it pointed out in your article the plans to surrender to everyone.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/12/iraq_report_jus.html

[FaninAma]

There is a reliable rumor that the Democrats have just voted to change their party mascot from the donkey to this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/rednecktexan/2005/CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkey.gif

[TopDawg]

To say we can't win in Iraq is either the height of stupidity or you have a political agenda.

We can easily win in Iraq. If the Dems and CNN will let us FIGHT rather than *****-foot around, we'd be home next month.

If our military leaders are really letting the Dems and CNN control their effectiveness, then shame on them.

[TopDawg]

Yep, why don't you spell out for me what "victory" looks like in Iraq?

What does victory look like? I imagine it looking something like this:

http://web.lemoyne.edu/~hevern/weblog/photos/mission_accomplished.jpg

[TopDawg]

This isn't partisian anymore.

Not when you have one group of Americans that actually want to see their nation defeated.

Its pure hatred by the angry seething left.

Maybe even racist to some degree.

This isn't partisan anymore.

Not when you have one group of Americans that actually want to see our young men killed.

Its pure hatred by the angry seething right.

Maybe even classist to some degree.

This game is FUN!

[OklahomaTuba]

This isn't partisan anymore.

Not when you have one group of Americans that actually want to see our young men killed.

Its pure hatred by the angry seething right.

Maybe even classist to some degree.

This game is FUN!

No one on the right wants to see our young men get killed. Must be why they actually support them, instead of trying to find ways strip them of the tools they need to finish their mission.

Lord knows the left isn't at this point.

[OklahomaTuba]

What does victory look like? I imagine it looking something like this:

http://web.lemoyne.edu/~hevern/weblog/photos/mission_accomplished.jpg

As always, you proved my point very well.

Hatred for Bush trumps all else, even this nations security and the lives of our troops.

[Vaevictis]

No one on the right wants to see our young men get killed.

I do believe that that was the point.

[OklahomaTuba]

I do believe that that was the point.

I did notice he didn't exactly deny the defeat and retreat bit though.

[Vaevictis]

That's because he was mocking you.

Serious discussion wasn't the intent.

[OklahomaTuba]

That's because he was mocking you.

Serious discussion wasn't the intent.

No way, really?

[apusooner]

Yep, why don't you spell out for me what "victory" looks like in Iraq?


????

just a guess

[apusooner]

nevermind, i had victory spelled out in arabic characters. it didnt work

[OklahomaTuba]

I think what Prophet is saying is that he doesn't understand this concept called "victory".

Can't really blame him though, he is just wired all wrong upstairs...

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Brain_Socialist_550.gif

[TopDawg]

I did notice he didn't exactly deny the defeat and retreat bit though.

I notice you didn't exactly deny the classist bit.

[Octavian]

:les: THAT'S CLASSIST!

[Octavian]

Victory is where we leave Iraq with the Iraqis governing themselves in relative peace.


This has always been my definition of "victory" too....I came to the conclusion in 2002 that it couldn't be done.


Since then, nothing has changed my mind...and most people have come around to the same conclusion....



"This business about graceful exit just simply has no realism to it at all."

-George W. Bush.
Amman, Jordan, Nov. 30, 2006


sharp guy



As for whether to stay or not....well, the time for that decision has come and gone....it doesn't matter what is said now.


The U.S. is in Iraq and will be for a long, long time.

[Octavian]

I mean....we were told we were going to establish a peaceful and democratic Iraq



AND


employ the "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" strategy...meaning we planned on attracting enemy combatants to fight us in Iraq.


....while establishing a peaceful democracy in Iraq.


Eh, ok.



Somehow...this must be CNN's fault.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

This has always been my definition of "victory" too....I came to the conclusion in 2002 that IT COULDN'T BE DONE.


Since then, nothing could change my mind...because most people who listen to the daily casualty reports ENTHUSIASTICALLY BOOMED OUT BY THE MSM come around to the same conclusion....





Well then, forgodsakes, no wonder we guys want to surrender. It's pre-ordained!

[OklahomaTuba]

This has always been my definition of "victory" too....I came to the conclusion in 2002 that it couldn't be done.


Since then, nothing has changed my mind...and most people have come around to the same conclusion....



Many of those same people thought we couldn't win the cold war or not get attacked here at home after 9-11.

As usual, those people were wrong.

Must be why people like you are in such a panic to retreat.

[Vaevictis]

I mean....we were told we were going to establish a peaceful and democratic Iraq
AND
employ the "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" strategy...meaning we planned on attracting enemy combatants to fight us in Iraq.

Alex, what are "mutually exclusive events?"

[Paris of Troy]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/14721/2/60Minutes-TroopDissension.mov/