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SicEmBaylor
2/23/2007, 01:41 AM
So, Baylor has launched a major anti-pr0n effort around campus complete with a website called "The Bare Truth."

http://www.baylor.edu/counseling_center/baretruth/splash.php

You can set up a counseling appointment if you have a pr0n problem.

soonerboomer93
2/23/2007, 02:19 AM
and you booked the first one?

tommieharris91
2/23/2007, 02:55 AM
Wow. There is so much here, where do I start?


Have you ever walked across OU campus and found yourself unable to stop checking out each attractive woman you pass?

Every time, and I think that as long as she's between 20-25, there's nothing wrong with it. Is it objectification of women? Not really, especially since it is a common known fact (whether conscious or unconscious) that men become attracted with their sense of sight.

BTW, SicEm, how did you find this? I sent this link to a friend of mine at Baylor, and she said she never heard of this.

yermom
2/23/2007, 09:06 AM
Chandler: I was just at the bank and there was this really hot teller, and she didn't ask me to go do it with her in the vault!

Joey: Same kind of thing happened to me! Woman pizza-delivery guy comes over, gives me the pizza, takes the money, and leaves!

Chandler: What? No, "Nice apartment, I bet the bedrooms are huge?"

Joey: No! Nothing!

Chandler: You know what? We have to turn off the porn.

heh

IronSooner
2/23/2007, 09:16 AM
I had a friend here who once dated a guy who was into pr0n. (she thought this was unusual, heh) She made a big deal over it and the guy actually went to counseling for it. Can't wait till she finds out every guy likes naked girls.

StoopTroup
2/23/2007, 09:20 AM
I. Destroy the Porn

Steps to Recovery (http://www.baylor.edu/counseling_center/baretruth/index.php?id=35793)

Quite the concept there.

I bet someone got a Masters Degree for this idea.

OklahomaTuba
2/23/2007, 09:22 AM
A noble effort, for sure.

Hopefully they have some success.

MojoRisen
2/23/2007, 09:35 AM
I take so much crap because I just simple admit that I look at Pron- it is just too easy and free on the web- nothing like it in the world. I tell these girls that every single guy does it and it is not like cheating- I just simply admit it and it doesn't really fly... I will never admit that it is a problem though. It should'nt matter where I get my appetite as long as I eat at home you know...

OH well

Osce0la
2/23/2007, 09:56 AM
and you booked the first one?
Try the first month...

TexasLidig8r
2/23/2007, 10:00 AM
SOOOOOOO... taking your pron to Houston with you this weekend Sic ole boy?? :D

Osce0la
2/23/2007, 10:02 AM
SOOOOOOO... taking your pron to Houston with you this weekend Sic ole boy?? :D
Is Melo into pr0n? Might be a bad idea SicEm...

Widescreen
2/23/2007, 10:27 AM
I will never admit that it is a problem though.
If you don't think porn can be a problem for people, you're extremely naive. There are many people who have lost their jobs, families and futures because of the easy access to porn provided by the Internet. When you get to the point where you care more about getting on the web and searching for porn than doing the things you should be doing, it's a problem. You're not much different than a dope addict at that point. I was watching a show the other night that was talking about the addictive nature of porn and online sex. One guys said he spent roughly 50-60 hours a week searching the web for porn and online hookups. That's a full-time job plus a part time job. And it don't pay much.

I'm not saying that's where you are. I'm just saying that thinking it can never be a problem for you (and if it is, never admitting it) is a problem.

SicEmBaylor
2/23/2007, 11:08 AM
Wow. There is so much here, where do I start?



Every time, and I think that as long as she's between 20-25, there's nothing wrong with it. Is it objectification of women? Not really, especially since it is a common known fact (whether conscious or unconscious) that men become attracted with their sense of sight.

BTW, SicEm, how did you find this? I sent this link to a friend of mine at Baylor, and she said she never heard of this.

They've got posters for it all around campus and they did have (not sure if it's still there) a huge banner on the Fountain Mall.

SicEmBaylor
2/23/2007, 11:13 AM
BTW, SicEm, how did you find this? I sent this link to a friend of mine at Baylor, and she said she never heard of this.

Also, I forgot to ask this....

Is your friend single? Does she have low standards?

OCUDad
2/23/2007, 11:22 AM
When you get to the point where you care more about getting on the web and surfing the South Oval than doing the things you should be doing, it's a problem. Fixed.

royalfan5
2/23/2007, 11:30 AM
This seems as futile as Baylor's efforts to win football games.

yermom
2/23/2007, 11:41 AM
Fixed.

heh


This seems as futile as Baylor's efforts to win football games.

double heh

Flagstaffsooner
2/23/2007, 12:38 PM
You only have a pron problem if you like it better than OU Football.

Osce0la
2/23/2007, 12:39 PM
Also, I forgot to ask this....

Is your friend single? Does she have low standards? It probably doesn't matter, I wouldn't have the balls to talk to her anyway...
:rolleyes:

MojoRisen
2/23/2007, 12:45 PM
I'm not saying that's where you are. I'm just saying that thinking it can never be a problem for you (and if it is, never admitting it) is a problem.[/QUOTE]

I can only speak for myself - for me it will never be a problem as I work for pretty cool people and they could care less if I look at some tooky as long as I take care of business.

So I am probably a good 10 minutes a day kind of guy. I could have been a founder of this 3 trillion dollar industry about 15 years ago but my folks would not back my web cam idea as it was consider unethical. Cost them millions -

Viking Kitten
2/23/2007, 01:04 PM
If you don't think porn can be a problem for people, you're extremely naive...

Well, of course it can be a problem. So can alcohol. So can food. So can video games. However, most people understand the concept of moderation. Most people can jerkoff/drink one beer/eat one cookie/play one game of Madden, then go about their beeswax and have happy productive lives. Just because SOME people choose to let addictions take over their existence doesn't mean stuff should be off limits to everyone.

Osce0la
2/23/2007, 01:18 PM
Well, of course it can be a problem. So can alcohol. So can food. So can video games. However, most people understand the concept of moderation. Most people can jerkoff/drink one beer/eat one cookie/play one game of Madden, then go about their beeswax and have happy productive lives. Just because SOME people choose to let addictions take over their existence doesn't mean stuff should be off limits to everyone.
agreed. Who was it that they said ate himself to death? John Candy? No more food for college students.

OUDoc
2/23/2007, 01:26 PM
Well, of course it can be a problem. So can alcohol. So can food. So can video games. However, most people understand the concept of moderation. Most people can jerkoff/drink one beer/eat one cookie/play one game of Madden, then go about their beeswax and have happy productive lives. Just because SOME people choose to let addictions take over their existence doesn't mean stuff should be off limits to everyone.
Have I ever told you how lucky Czar is? :D

tommieharris91
2/23/2007, 02:05 PM
Also, I forgot to ask this....

Is your friend single? Does she have low standards?

Give her tequila. See what happens.

pb4ou
2/23/2007, 05:05 PM
This is the one of the biggest issues in today's churches. It is really staggering how many pastors, youth ministers, deacons, and regular church attenders suffer from this huge problem. It's lasting effects warps the minds of the viewers and takes a long time to be completely free from these images running around in the viewer's mind.

Widescreen
2/23/2007, 05:35 PM
Well, of course it can be a problem. So can alcohol. So can food. So can video games. However, most people understand the concept of moderation. Most people can jerkoff/drink one beer/eat one cookie/play one game of Madden, then go about their beeswax and have happy productive lives. Just because SOME people choose to let addictions take over their existence doesn't mean stuff should be off limits to everyone.
I didn't say it should be off limits to everyone. I didn't even imply that. I was making the point that saying that porn would never be a problem for someone is naive.

Chuck Bao
2/23/2007, 05:44 PM
What are you guys talking about?

I agree with VK that it is the same with fast food, coffee, alcohol, gambling, cigarettes, etc.

IT IS ALL ABOUT SELF WILL. Nothing with change that.

The weak will also suffer from something.

The next thing you know, someone will decide that women with uncovered hair and ankles will lead to stray thoughts. Oops! Let's cover them up.

I'm truly ashamed of my alma mater on this issue. Surely, a university should be a source of enlightenment rather than closure.

And, what about the numerous couples that need some spice, encouragement, instructional videos? What about them? Mmmmm?

Ike
2/23/2007, 05:48 PM
This is the one of the biggest issues in today's churches. It is really staggering how many pastors, youth ministers, deacons, and regular church attenders suffer from this huge problem. It's lasting effects warps the minds of the viewers and takes a long time to be completely free from these images running around in the viewer's mind.


I wonder, just for the sake of my own curiosity: percentage wise, is the problem amplified or diminished or exactly the same in people who make religion a large part of their lives with respect to people who don't. Naively I would think that there is some amplification of porn-addiction amongst regular church-goers/pastors/deacons/etc....but I could be wrong, since I have no evidence. I wonder if anyone has ever done such a study.

Viking Kitten
2/23/2007, 05:55 PM
I wonder, just for the sake of my own curiosity: percentage wise, is the problem amplified or diminished or exactly the same in people who make religion a large part of their lives with respect to people who don't. Naively I would think that there is some amplification of porn-addiction amongst regular church-goers/pastors/deacons/etc....but I could be wrong, since I have no evidence. I wonder if anyone has ever done such a study.

Related to that... I wonder if it's more likely to be a "problem" in the religious community merely because is it being defined as such, whereas someone outside of that community might think a desire to look at pron and having sex constantly on the brain is just, you know, sort of what guys do.

And I promise I'm not being flippant here, pb. I'm really just wondering aloud.

KaiserSooner
2/23/2007, 06:00 PM
pr0n? I saw it in the subject line and had to check it out.

:D

yermom
2/23/2007, 06:01 PM
well, outside the religious community it's ok for consenting adults to bed down at 18 without being married

for Johnny Baylorstudent it's not good to have those juices flowing since he shouldn't be knowing anyone biblically until he gets married

oh and roughing up the suspect is no good either

Ike
2/23/2007, 06:04 PM
And I promise I'm not being flippant here, pb. I'm really just wondering aloud.


Same here. I really am curious about it.

Widescreen
2/23/2007, 06:49 PM
I'm truly ashamed of my alma mater on this issue. Surely, a university should be a source of enlightenment rather than closure.
Chuck, you may have forgotten but Baylor is a private religious university. I'd be surprised if they didn't try to promote morality.

soonerboomer93
2/23/2007, 07:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo

Chuck Bao
2/23/2007, 07:49 PM
Chuck, you may have forgotten but Baylor is a private religious university. I'd be surprised if they didn't try to promote morality.

No, I hadn't forgotten about the religion classes.

Promote yes. Impose, it's difficult. That issue is a big fight now, as it has been since at least the mid 80s when I was there.

Back then, there was this so-called "Baylor Bubble" that real world issues never made it through. Now, what good is that?

soonerboomer93
2/23/2007, 07:58 PM
It's obviously been a good thing for sicem and helped his mental stability :D

Vaevictis
2/23/2007, 08:01 PM
Just because SOME people choose to let addictions take over their existence doesn't mean stuff should be off limits to everyone.

It's not quite as simple as all that. According to the NIDH, something like 40-60 of the "vulnerability to addiction" (whatever that means) is tied to genetics. Which indicates to me that choice is not the only factor. Do people choose to get diabetes? There are a lot of lifestyle choices that contribute to it, but some people will assiduously do the "right things" with respect to avoiding diabetes and have it develop anyway.

Addiction is a lot like diabetes in that you can do all the right things and still have it sneak up on you and whack you. All it takes is one slip up or one unknown, and bang, you've got a problem.

I really don't feel any sympathy for people who fall into known addictive traps -- heroin, alchohol, nicotine, etc. These people are making a choice. But what about people who fall into traps that are not widely recognized, or unique to the individual? One of the characteristics of addiction -- and one of the biggest issues -- is an inability of the addict to recognize that an addiction exists. In this stage, it's not a matter of choice or willpower; the individual is basically wired to not acknowledge that there's a problem. It's almost like breathing. You just do it, and you don't realize just how much of a compulsion it is it until you can't.

I will agree with you that once they move beyond this stage, it's a matter of willpower. But prior to recognition, there's really no "choice" to be made. And plenty of damage can be done to one's life in this stage.

While I don't advocate the banning of things that are addictive, I think it would be nice to stop pretending that certain things (like porn) aren't addictive for certain people (so people with addiction issues know to stay the hell away), and it would also be nice to stop pretending that it's *all* about willpower and choice, at least in the early stages.

SoonerBorn68
2/23/2007, 08:08 PM
Speaking of addictions--50 days without a dip. :)

Widescreen
2/23/2007, 08:19 PM
It's not quite as simple as all that. According to the NIDH, something like 40-60 of the "vulnerability to addiction" (whatever that means) is tied to genetics. Which indicates to me that choice is not the only factor. Do people choose to get diabetes? There are a lot of lifestyle choices that contribute to it, but some people will assiduously do the "right things" with respect to avoiding diabetes and have it develop anyway.
How about that. We actually agree on something. :D

In some ways porn is worse than many other vices because it's freely available in the privacy of the home via the innerwebs which means the ease at which someone can get hooked is greater. It would be like having a never-ending beer tap in every home (which I'm sure many of you would be cool with ;)). The # of alcoholics would likely go up because people who had never been exposed to it would have easy access to it. Back in the day, to get porn you pretty much had to go to the store and deal with the looks and potential embarrassment. Now it's completely anonymous (until the wife finds out).

Vaevictis
2/23/2007, 08:24 PM
How about that. We actually agree on something. :D

Come now, I'm sure we agree on other things too, it's just that they're things that don't get talked about much around here.

Like, I'm willing to bet you don't think much of UT ;)

Widescreen
2/23/2007, 08:46 PM
Come now, I'm sure we agree on other things too, it's just that they're things that don't get talked about much around here.

Like, I'm willing to bet you don't think much of UT ;)
Good point. I'm also not a fan of getting kicked in the junk, either. :P

Vaevictis
2/23/2007, 08:48 PM
See? Plenty of things we agree on. :D

proud gonzo
2/23/2007, 08:53 PM
It's not quite as simple as all that. According to the NIDH, something like 40-60 of the "vulnerability to addiction" (whatever that means) is tied to genetics. Which indicates to me that choice is not the only factor. ok, theres a big difference between an alcohol/drug addiction and a porn addiction. Alcohol and other drugs have reactions with your body's chemistry, and genetics does have an affect on that reaction. Some people can handle alcohol and some people are lightweights--that's partly genetic too.

But most people who have porn addictions are not addicted to magazine porn. it's internet porn. something that is external, doesn't react with your genetics, and relies on technology can not be genetic.

Chuck Bao
2/23/2007, 09:34 PM
ok, theres a big difference between an alcohol/drug addiction and a porn addiction. Alcohol and other drugs have reactions with your body's chemistry, and genetics does have an affect on that reaction. Some people can handle alcohol and some people are lightweights--that's partly genetic too.

But most people who have porn addictions are not addicted to magazine porn. it's internet porn. something that is external, doesn't react with your genetics, and relies on technology can not be genetic.

Ummmm...NO!

If sex isn't genetics, I don't know what is. See, the guy's brain is wired for sex. The pleasure centers of the brain would get the same from 60 years ago and a pack of naughty playing cards as it is today with full high definition streaming video. So, it's a chemical addiction, I believe, something about endwarfins.

But, that's the exact opposite I want to argue.

Legalize prosititution (for consenting adults).

Legalize porn (for consenting adults).

Legalize gay marriage (for consenting adults).

If anyone has an addiction, tough tittay. GADOCADWI.

Baylor is just managing to produce a bunch of repressed or closeted or guilt-ladden individuals. That's all.

Vaevictis
2/23/2007, 09:42 PM
ok, theres a big difference between an alcohol/drug addiction and a porn addiction. Alcohol and other drugs have reactions with your body's chemistry, and genetics does have an affect on that reaction. Some people can handle alcohol and some people are lightweights--that's partly genetic too.

But most people who have porn addictions are not addicted to magazine porn. it's internet porn. something that is external, doesn't react with your genetics, and relies on technology can not be genetic.

Alright, so riddle me this: Let's assume a drug causes its high by stimulating the release of a certain neurotransmitter, and a certain behavior (viewing porn) also causes a high by stimulating the release of the same neurotransmitter.

Why is it that the drug qualifies for the genetic theory and the behavior does not?

Chuck Bao
2/23/2007, 10:37 PM
Why do you think some young Muslim men are so angry? They're not getting enough. That and lack of porn and alcohol.

Olevet should send some of his Natty Lite and dirty pics to the Middle East and start a whole peace and love in trend.

OklahomaTuba
2/24/2007, 12:27 AM
But most people who have porn addictions are not addicted to magazine porn. it's internet porn. something that is external, doesn't react with your genetics, and relies on technology can not be genetic.

Wow.

OCUDad
2/24/2007, 12:53 AM
So, it's a chemical addiction, I believe, something about endwarfins.That's only a problem for little people. :D

Mongo
2/24/2007, 01:40 AM
Well, of course it can be a problem. So can alcohol. So can food. So can video games. However, most people understand the concept of moderation. Most people can jerkoff 5 times/drink 8 beers/eat 7 cookies/play while playing Madden, then go about their beeswax and have happy productive lives. Just because SOME people choose to let addictions take over their existence doesn't mean stuff should be off limits to everyone.

I can do that, but I aint an addict.

tommieharris91
2/24/2007, 06:00 AM
Ummmm...NO!

If sex isn't genetics, I don't know what is. See, the guy's brain is wired for sex. The pleasure centers of the brain would get the same from 60 years ago and a pack of naughty playing cards as it is today with full high definition streaming video. So, it's a chemical addiction, I believe, something about endwarfins.

Sex isn't necessarily genetics in that it is different in everyone. Let's face it, every human being wants sex. We humans have wanted sex since humanity started. If a person has no sexual desires, something is wrong with the person. Internet pornography stimulates male sex drive exclusively because males are turned on with their eyes, while women are not. I do not think addictions to porn are physiological (heroin, cocaine, nicotene are), but rather psychological (like gambling and eating), and can be overcome through sheer human will. Simply better spending time with other projects will help one overcome any psychological addiction.

Basically, I'm trying to say there's nothing wrong with having a sex drive because it is necessary to keep the human race going. Porn simply helps stimulate (and in some cases completely warp) this drive that all humans, male and female, have.

Rogue
2/24/2007, 07:26 PM
Interesting trend in addictions treatment...many of the folks with substance use disorders (ya know, drugs and alcohol) also have addictions to pr0n these days. That said, I'm not at all for pr0n prohibition.

OCUDad
2/24/2007, 07:38 PM
Let's face it, every human being wants sex.Au contraire. Allow us to introduce you to every woman who has ever met SicEm.

Sam Spade
2/25/2007, 03:31 PM
Ummmm...NO!

If sex isn't genetics, I don't know what is. See, the guy's brain is wired for sex. The pleasure centers of the brain would get the same from 60 years ago and a pack of naughty playing cards as it is today with full high definition streaming video. So, it's a chemical addiction, I believe, something about endwarfins.

But, that's the exact opposite I want to argue.

Legalize prosititution (for consenting adults).

Legalize porn (for consenting adults).

Legalize gay marriage (for consenting adults).

If anyone has an addiction, tough tittay. GADOCADWI.

Baylor is just managing to produce a bunch of repressed or closeted or guilt-ladden individuals. That's all.
Chuck Bao for PRESIDENT!!!!

:D

VeeJay
2/25/2007, 08:31 PM
endwarfins.



Wasn't that a Jimmy Buffett song? :confused:

StormySooner-IN
2/25/2007, 08:42 PM
Legalize prosititution (for consenting adults).

Legalize porn (for consenting adults).


:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

;)