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Okla-homey
2/19/2007, 07:23 AM
Feb 19,1942: FDR signs Executive Order 9066

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SF headline, Feb 27, 1942

65 years ago on this day in 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs Executive Order 9066, initiating a controversial World War II policy with lasting consequences for Americans of Japanese descent. The document ordered the “removal of resident enemy aliens” from parts of the West vaguely identified as “military areas.”

After the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese in 1941, Roosevelt came under increasing pressure by military and political advisors to address the nation’s fears of further Japanese attack or sabotage, particularly on the West Coast, where naval ports, commercial shipping and agriculture were most vulnerable.

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This U.S. soldier of Japanese descent and American citizenship waits at a train station in Florin, CA. He, along with nine other servicemen, were granted furloughs from their service to return to the U.S. to assist with their families' relocation and internment. April 10, 1942

Included in the off-limits “military areas” referred to in the order were ill-defined areas around West Coast cities, ports and industrial and agricultural regions. While 9066 also affected Americans of Italian and German heritage, the largest numbers of detainees were by far Japanese.

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Los Angeles, California. Japanese-Americans going to Manzanar gather around baggage car at the old Santa Fe Station. (April 1942)

On the West Coast, long-standing racism against Americans of Japanese descent, motivated in part by jealousy over their commercial success, erupted after Pearl Harbor into furious demands to remove them en masse to “relocation camps” for the duration of the war.

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Japanese internment camp in Jerome, Arkansas

Japanese immigrants and their descendants, regardless of American citizenship status or length of residence, were systematically rounded up and placed in detention centers. “Evacuees,” as they were sometimes called, could take only as many possessions as they could carry and were housed in crude, cramped quarters.

In the western states, camps on remote and barren sites such as Manzanar and Tule Lake housed thousands of families whose lives were interrupted and in some cases destroyed by Executive Order 9066. Many lost businesses, farms and loved ones as a result.

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The triangles denote the largest internment camps

Roosevelt delegated enforcement of 9066 to the War Department, telling Secretary of War Henry Stimson to “be as reasonable as possible” in executing the order. Attorney General Francis Biddle recalled Roosevelt’s grim determination to do whatever he thought was necessary to win the war.

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A baseball game at Manzanar. Picture by Ansel Adams circa 1943

Biddle observed that Roosevelt “was [not] much concerned with the gravity or implications” of issuing an order that essentially contradicted the Bill of Rights. In her memoirs, Eleanor Roosevelt recalled being completely floored by her husband’s action. A fierce proponent of civil rights, Eleanor hoped to change Roosevelt’s mind, but when she brought the subject up with him, he interrupted her and told her never to mention it again.

During the war, the U.S. Supreme Court heard two cases challenging the constitutionality of Executive Order 9066, upholding it both times citing the executive branch's relatively unfettered powerin wartime on matters of national security.

As an aside, Canada had a similar policy and large numbers of Canadians of Japanese descent were rounded up and interned as well.

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Japanese relocation camp in British Columbia in 1945.

Finally, on February 19, 1976, decades after the war, President Gerald Ford signed an order prohibiting the executive branch from reinstituting the notorious and tragic World War II order. In 1988, President Ronald Reagan issued a public apology on behalf of the government and authorized reparations for former Japanese internees and their descendants.

On September 27, 1992, the Amendment of the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, appropriating an additional $400 million in order to ensure that all remaining internees received their $20,000 redress payments, was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, who also issued another formal apology from the U.S. government.

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yermom
2/19/2007, 07:38 AM
crap, now we can't do this to Arabs

Okla-homey
2/19/2007, 07:43 AM
crap, now we can't do this to Arabs

That's not technically correct. An executive order started it, and executive order ended it, and a new executive order could resume the practice. However, as you point out, it would be a tough row to hoe if a president tried it nowadays.

tbl
2/19/2007, 08:37 AM
Tough row to hoe is putting it extremely lightly.

Okla-homey
2/19/2007, 08:58 AM
Tough row to hoe is putting it extremely lightly.

unless of course we're attacked again and the conspiracy can be linked to people already here legally, especially if citizens. In that case, it would be easy-peazy japanezy.;) :O

OklahomaTuba
2/19/2007, 09:09 AM
FDR - The greatest semi-dictator we ever had! ;)

Of course, this was all BushHitler and the neoKKKon's doings.

Vaevictis
2/19/2007, 10:05 AM
FDR - The greatest semi-dictator we ever had! ;)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5525748

My grandfather always felt that the greatest thing FDR ever did was refuse the opportunity to become a dictator.

jeremy885
2/19/2007, 10:13 AM
Refused?? The man died in office during his fourth term.

Vaevictis
2/19/2007, 10:17 AM
Refused?? The man died in office during his fourth term.

Is that your definition of a dictator then? Someone who's been the executive for >12 years?

Hell then, let's just ****can the Constitution, the Congress and the Judiciary, and leave only a rule requiring that the executive remain in power for only 8 years. Right?

OCUDad
2/19/2007, 11:22 AM
This thread had promise until Tuba chimed in with his usual paranoid BS.

A good friend of ours was a very young child when his family was interned at Manzanar. The family owned several acres of farmland in California's Central Valley, and had to abandon it. One of their neighbors bought the farmland for $1, tended it during their internment, and sold it back to them for the original dollar after the war. Kindness and consideration in a difficult situation.

Nice post, Homey.

soonerjoker
2/19/2007, 12:28 PM
it probly seemed like a good idea @ the time. everyone hated the japs, because of pearl harbor.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/19/2007, 12:39 PM
In today's PC USA, something like this prolly coundn't EVAR happen, even if a particular ethnic group conducted the most heinous terrorism. The govt.'s hands are tied. It's a weapon we can't use.

SicEmBaylor
2/19/2007, 01:15 PM
FDR - The 2nd greatest semi-dictator we ever had! ;)

Fixed that right up there for ya. You can thank me later.

Scott D
2/19/2007, 01:20 PM
In today's PC USA, something like this prolly coundn't EVAR happen, even if a particular ethnic group conducted the most heinous terrorism. The govt.'s hands are tied. It's a weapon we can't use.

being pc has nothing to do with it...being xenophobic is not rational.

SicEmBaylor
2/19/2007, 01:26 PM
If you're of an ethnicity who is currently waging war against these United States and you are here as a legal resident/guest of these United States then I have no problem with either deportation of that ethnicity until after the conflict or internment until such time as the individual can be removed from the country or the conflict ends.

Now, if those individuals of that ethnicity are US CITIZENS then what the hell do you think gives the government the right to strip them of their constitutional rights?

Are they less of a citizen because of their ethnicity? Certainly not. It's purely tyrannical.

KABOOKIE
2/19/2007, 01:26 PM
We won the ****ing war didn't we. Now STFU! ;)

Rogue
2/19/2007, 01:49 PM
Great post, Homey. FDR hit both ends of the greatness spectrum during his time.

OklahomaTuba
2/19/2007, 01:53 PM
This thread had promise until Tuba chimed in with his usual paranoid BS.

Now now, next you're going to say BushHitler and his neokkkon cronies from Haliburton had nothing to do with 9/11 or blowing up the levees to occupy New Orleans.

the truth shallset you free my man. :pop:

Frozen Sooner
2/19/2007, 03:15 PM
Don't forget that FDR also imprisoned thousands of native-born and descended people of Alaska Native ancestry with this executive order. We also tested atomic weapons on Amchitka Island-a place that had been previously inhabited, depriving people of their homes.

It's all there in the history books.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/19/2007, 03:47 PM
being pc has nothing to do with it...being xenophobic is not rational.It would truly take an abhorrent and disastrous set of circumstances to justify the equivalent of what FDR did in today's world. Even then, imprisoning US citizens wouldn't happen, nor should it.

Rogue
2/19/2007, 03:51 PM
Australia has apparently kicked out "radical muslims" for a couple of years now.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp

OklahomaTuba
2/19/2007, 03:56 PM
Australia has apparently kicked out "radical muslims" for a couple of years now.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp

Of course, most of the Japanese-American families weren't out advocating the destruction of said country and people of a certain faith, like the "radical muslims" do so often everywhere.

I agree with the Aussies. You come here from some other country and preach hate and terrorism, than get the **** outta here.

hurricane'bone
2/19/2007, 03:59 PM
Australia has apparently kicked out "radical muslims" for a couple of years now.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp


Do you not read what you link to?

mdklatt
2/19/2007, 04:20 PM
This U.S. soldier of Japanese descent and American citizenship waits at a train station in Florin, CA. He, along with nine other servicemen, were granted furloughs from their service to return to the U.S. to assist with their families' relocation and internment. April 10, 1942


So people in the military were exempt? If you're going to start rounding people up, isn't that who you should start with instead of some avodado farmer?

Rogue
2/19/2007, 04:51 PM
Do you not read what you link to?

Yeah, all except the fine print part where they didn't actually kick 'em out but talked a lot instead. :D :D

Scott D
2/19/2007, 04:52 PM
It would truly take an abhorrent and disastrous set of circumstances to justify the equivalent of what FDR did in today's world. Even then, imprisoning US citizens wouldn't happen, nor should it.

I giggle when thinking of the US government attempting to round up every Irish person in America. Especially the Kennedy family.

JohnnyMack
2/19/2007, 04:59 PM
I'm a mutt.

I have no worries.

GottaHavePride
2/19/2007, 05:11 PM
Can the Polish part of me round up and deport the German part of me?

picasso
2/19/2007, 05:14 PM
Japanese and Hawaiian Americans kicked *** for us in Korea.


just sayin.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
2/19/2007, 05:16 PM
Can the Polish part of me round up and deport the German part of me?For a truly potent deportment, I recommend your Polish part send your German part to Israel.

soonerjoker
2/20/2007, 11:48 AM
rounding up japanese & putting them in camps, seemed like a good idea, @ the time.

to me, the bad part was taking all their belongings. these should have been returned, after the war.

i stopped @ manzanar once, nothing left but a guard gate (i think) & a
buncha building slabs.

Octavian
2/20/2007, 12:42 PM
An executive order started it, and executive order ended it, and a new executive order could resume the practice.


zackly....and I don't think it'd be a hard sell to the American public at all if introduced in the days/weeks following another large-scale terrorist attack.


The POTUS could take his case to the fearful masses...the Congress would cave in....and it'd go from there. A state of martial law could be briefly declared in urban areas with the highest concentrations of potential enemy combatants....an executive order could accomplish it all.


Of course, it'd be much easier if the liberal POTUS's like Ford, Reagan, and Bush41 wouldn't have caved in, apologized for WWII strategy, and started dishing out reparations. Liberal, America-hatin' pansies ;)