Anyone on here have a class 3 or NFA weapon?

[1stTimeCaller]

I'm thinking about getting some type of full auto machine gun and possibly one with a silencer. The process to get one seems fairly straightforward and easy. Does anyone have any experience with this?

[def_lazer_fc]

why?

[Okla-homey]

why?

if you have to ask that question, then no justification given will satisfy.

[Okla-homey]

I'm thinking about getting some type of full auto machine gun and possibly one with a silencer. The process to get one seems fairly straightforward and easy. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings bro, but "full auto" and "silencer" are pretty much mutually exclusive.

Anyhoo, go old school and get a repop Thompson sub-machine gun. Then, locate an amenable gunsmith to provide the essential modification. Presto, you got a functional chopper that will spew .45 ACP all day long.

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/ao_catalog.html

[1stTimeCaller]

Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings bro, but "full auto" and "silencer" are pretty much mutually exclusive.

Anyhoo, go old school and get a repop Thompson sub-machine gun. Then, locate an amenable gunsmith to provide the essential modification. Presto, you got a functional chopper that will spew .45 ACP all day long.

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/ao_catalog.html

If I had $20k to spend on a toy a Tommy would be nice. Bruce I am not.

The MAC 10 can be fitted with a suppressor and is a select fire weapon.

I'm thinking a .22 would be just as fun and much easier on the wallet.

[AlbqSooner]

If I had $20k to spend on a toy a Tommy would be nice. Bruce I am not.

The MAC 10 can be fitted with a suppressor and is a select fire weapon.

I'm thinking a .22 would be just as fun and much easier on the wallet.
I once fired a Thompson .45. It is an amazing firearm. The sound is a very stacatto that sounds like "SIX-TY-FIVE-DOL-LARS-PER-PULL."

A Mac 10 can be fitted with a flash suppressor. Not sure if it is amenable to a sound suppressor.

Contact a dealer with an appropriate Class license and be willing to register and pay the fed firearms tax and you are done.

You can also get a Ruger 10/22 with a 30 round banana clip and a trigger attachment that is basically a crank that rotates and gives a gatling gun effect. Not full auto but it is great fun.

[Okla-homey]

I figured he had to be confusing "flash" or "recoil suppressor" with "silencer." I can't imagine how a silencer would work with a fully automatic firearm because all a "silencer" does is retard the muzzle velocity of the round to sub-sonic speed. That said, its baffling would quickly be shot away on an automatic weapon and would probably be pretty dangerous to the firer too.:eek:

Anyway, one of these days, I'd sure like to get me a licensed Tommy gun, despite the fact that shooting a hundred rounds of .45 ACP in a few seconds is a danged 'spensive pleasure.

[Jerk]

If you can afford it, get a registered full-auto M-16

1) .223 (5.56 NATO) Ammo is still relatively cheap

2) The lower receiver on the AR-15 is the registered part, and on this particular design, there is very little 'wear and tear' during use. Thus, you could literally wear the barrel, bolt, and bolt-carrier out from firing thousands of rounds, and buy a new kit (http://www.model1sales.com/catalog-list.cfm?Category=01&Subcat=16-inch%20C%2EA%2ER%2E&storeid=1) for $500 bucks, put your registered receiver on it and you're good to go for another 20 thousand rounds!

A registered M-16 reciever is going to cost about as much as a nice used car. Def lazer fc's politicians decided that only the rich should be able to afford machine guns back in 1986.

[Jerk]

why?

Because it p***es latte' drinking lefties like you off.

And good luck when you try and come get them.

[sanantoniosooner]

Because it p***es latte' drinking lefties like you off.

And good luck when you try and come get them.
dude.......I'm a righty and I don't get it.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I figured he had to be confusing "flash" or "recoil suppressor" with "silencer." I can't imagine how a silencer would work with a fully automatic firearm because all a "silencer" does is retard the muzzle velocity of the round to sub-sonic speed. That said, its baffling would quickly be shot away on an automatic weapon and would probably be pretty dangerous to the firer too.:eek:

Anyway, one of these days, I'd sure like to get me a licensed Tommy gun, despite the fact that shooting a hundred rounds of .45 ACP in a few seconds is a danged 'spensive pleasure.

My understanding is(and I may be wrong), is that the Spec. Op's modified M4 can be fitted with a silencer. The key is using subsonic ammo.

[Okla-homey]

My understanding is(and I may be wrong), is that the Spec. Op's modified M4 can be fitted with a silencer. The key is using subsonic ammo.

AND selecting "semi" on the firing selector.

According to the training materials, troops are instructed only to use the silencer in full-auto as a last resort because it destroys it and can result in catastrophic failure in the receiver group, bolt assembly or barrel.

Frankly, I can't imagine things getting so bad that you would need to fire in full auto with the silencer affixed since obviously, the bad guys already know you're there.

[Okla-homey]

dude.......I'm a righty and I don't get it.

its subjective. Just roll with it. I don't get how people become addicted to innerweb porn or gambling, but hey, vive la difference

[GottaHavePride]

Frankly, I can't imagine things getting so bad that you would need to fire in full auto with the silencer affixed since obviously, the bad guys already know you're there.

I can't really see that big a need for full auto anyway - if you can't do enough damage to put down a target with a three-shot burst, you need a bigger weapon anyway. ;) But hey, whatever.

[Jerk]

I can't really see that big a need for full auto anyway - if you can't do enough damage to put down a target with a three-shot burst, you need a bigger weapon anyway. ;) But hey, whatever.

Aimed semi-auto rifle fire is more effective.

Spraying full auto is more fun:D

[yermom]

Ah, here we go. The AK47. When you absolutely positively have to kill every mother****er in a room... accept no substitute

[Jerk]

Ah, here we go. The AK47. When you absolutely positively have to kill every mother****er in a room... accept no substitute

Kalishnikov...the most successful 'point and click' interface ever devised.

[GottaHavePride]

Heh.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Mp5k_brief.jpg

[Rogue]

Here's where I break with my liberal buddies...I love me some guns.

Someone mentioned getting a "registered" gun. Why would you do that on purpose and what exactly are the rules for full auto now?

[Jerk]

Here's where I break with my liberal buddies...I love me some guns.

Someone mentioned getting a "registered" gun. Why would you do that on purpose and what exactly are the rules for full auto now?

FOPA- passed in 1986 - was benificial to gun owners in many ways, and did away with much of the federal gun control laws passed in 1968. However, at the last minute, a ban on full-auto machine guns was tacked on. At that time, a full-auto gun already required a $200 tax stamp and was registered under NFA . There was only 1 recorded murder with a legal full auto since the 1930's, but Congress felt compelled to add this law anyway. All legally held machine guns possessed prior to 1986 were 'grandfathered' in, and are still legal to purchase today. But as you can imagine, with a limited supply of F/A guns, the price on a registered F/A can be extremely high. An M-60 can go for over $100,000. Yeah, no kidding.

It is almost impossible to take a gun made after 1986 and convert it to full auto legally. You have to be a dealer to law enforcement or a manufacturer.

[Jerk]

btw- rogue - one of the biggest cannon/machine gun/assault weapons collectors in this area is an attorney from Denton, Texas, and he is more liberal than Jane Fonda and Hugo Chavez put together.

[Rogue]

I thought something loosened up in the last couple of years where we could buy more stuff.

[Vaevictis]

Because it p***es latte' drinking lefties like you off.

Hell, I'm a "lefty" and just as soon as I can afford to do it, I'm going to go out and get me a Saiga-12, an SP101 at least (reliability being very important to me).

I think at this point, my dream toy would be something like this:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8107/8inchlage3wro3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Semi-automatic 12 gauge, detachable magazine, 8" barrel for defending the home. SP101 for backup and concealed carry.

Unfortunately, guns are teh expensive. Guns + Safe + Ammo + Licensing + Training > My Bank Account.

[Jerk]

I thought something loosened up in the last couple of years where we could buy more stuff.

The so-called 'assault weapons' ban expired in 2004. All it did was allow certain cosmetic features back on certain evil rifles that were never really baned in the first place. The whole thing was a crock designed to make soccer moms feel good.

The AWB passed in 1994 basically said that a rifle couldn't have more than 2 of the following 5 features: a pistol grip, a folding stock, a flash hider, a bayonette lug, or the ability to accept detachable box magazines. So...all of my evil rifles had a pistol grip and a high cap magazine, but no flash hider, folding stock, or lug. They weren't any less deadly, really.

ETA - Veav - see post #21 There are different kinds of liberals, kind of like there are different kinds of conservatives - i.g. the country club blue blood republican and the redneck, like me.

[Vaevictis]

ETA - Veav - see post #21 There are different kinds of liberals, kind of like there are different kinds of conservatives - i.g. the country club blue blood republican and the redneck, like me.

What? Wait! Nuance? NO WAY!

:D

Oh, and 1TC, just buy one of those Saiga 12s. ... and tell me if you like it.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I think someone mentioned this earlier in the thread. Hell, you might even be able to get something cheaper, kit-wise. And it don't get no cheaper than .22.

Homemade Gatling Gun (http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0034775227757a.shtml)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/22/77/57/i227757sq01c.jpg

[1stTimeCaller]

Hell, I'm a "lefty" and just as soon as I can afford to do it, I'm going to go out and get me a Saiga-12, an SP101 at least (reliability being very important to me).

I think at this point, my dream toy would be something like this:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8107/8inchlage3wro3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Semi-automatic 12 gauge, detachable magazine, 8" barrel for defending the home. SP101 for backup and concealed carry.

Unfortunately, guns are teh expensive. Guns + Safe + Ammo + Licensing + Training > My Bank Account.

wow, that would be fun to shoot, once. I'm not big on 12ga. for pleasure. That looks like a shoulder dislocater. It also looks like it's built off of the Kalishnakov design. I also doubt it shoots as fast as a Benelli Black Eagle.

[1stTimeCaller]

Homey, I know the difference between a flash suppressor, muzzle brake and a sound suppressor aka silencer. I was thinking that someting that was a select fire weapon would be fun and then it would also be neat to have a silencer for it too. Something like this:
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.9700.3.jpg
or
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.9575.1.jpg

I know with the MAC 10 type pistols with the itty bitty barrel sticking out you really need some type of extension to it if you are going to shoot full auto to help keep your fingers out of the way of the business end.

[Okla-homey]

Homey, I know the difference between a flash suppressor, muzzle brake and a sound suppressor aka silencer. I was thinking that someting that was a select fire weapon would be fun and then it would also be neat to have a silencer for it too. Something like this:
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.9700.3.jpg
or
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfafirearms.9575.1.jpg

I know with the MAC 10 type pistols with the itty bitty barrel sticking out you really need some type of extension to it if you are going to shoot full auto to help keep your fingers out of the way of the business end.

Again, even if it could be made to work (which I doubt) what would be the tactical purpose of having a silenced fully automatic weapon? It ain't like you would need to kick the door in and eliminate the 6 jihaadis sitting around their hubbly-bubbly and be worried about disturbing the jihaadis next door. No, if you knew there were two clots of the scum, you would hit them both simultaneously.

[Jerk]

1tc - the purpose of this is solely fun, right? Cuz as far as 'tactical' goes, if you need a close quarters weapon, nothing, and I mean, nothing, beats a $220 Remmy 870 found out your neighborhood Wal-Mart®

[1stTimeCaller]

You're right and wrong at the same time here. You can use the silencer on semi and use something other than the silencer to extend the barrel when you you want to rock-n-roll. On the Uzi you wouldn't need anything to extend the barrel to get after it, just on the MAC 10.

Just because it's a convertable doesn't mean you gotta have the top down when driving in the rain.

[Vaevictis]

wow, that would be fun to shoot, once. I'm not big on 12ga. for pleasure. That looks like a shoulder dislocater. It also looks like it's built off of the Kalishnakov design. I also doubt it shoots as fast as a Benelli Black Eagle.

Heh, yeah, well, this wouldn't be for pleasure. It would be for when I was thinking I might have to kill someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRo2pc1fPQ

And maybe it's not as fast as a BBE, but I bet I wouldn't need it to shoot faster than that. :D

And yeah, it's Kalashnikov pattern.

[Rogue]

I can see where sound dampening could be useful. Like if your toy isn't exactly street-legal so that the deputy living nearby won't get excited at target practice time. Just sayin'.

[1stTimeCaller]

I can see where sound dampening could be useful. Like if your toy isn't exactly street-legal so that the deputy living nearby won't get excited at target practice time. Just sayin'.

Less sayin', more readin'.

You can legally own full auto weapons in the US. You can also legally own a silencer for a weapon in the US. I was just asking if anyone had gone through the process to do so. It's basically just a $200 transfer fee.