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KC//CRIMSON
2/16/2007, 01:38 PM
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Chrissie Hynde a native of Akron, Ohio, took up the baritone ukulele at 16 and began writing songs. After three years of art study at Kent State University, she moved to London in 1973 and began writing as a music critic for New Musical Express. She went on to play in bands in America and France, and then returned to London's burgeoning punk scene in '76.


After kicking around the US, UK and France for over a decade, Chrissie Hynde finally wound up on the path that would eventually lead her to the Pretenders. Towards the end of 1977, while living in flats around London, she met Tony Secunda, onetime band manager of such acts as Steeleye Span and The Move.

Chrissie, with Fred Berk (Johnny Moped) on bass and Nigel Pegrum (Steeleye Span) on drums, recorded a few demos including "The Phone Call."

In March 1978, Tony arranged a meeting with Anchor Records' Dave Hill, who was setting up a new label, Real Records, in the UK. The day before the meeting was to take place, Chrissie was on the phone with Secunda, "said something really stupid," and he hung up on her. She phoned Dave to tell him she no longer had a manager and wouldn't be able to make the meeting. He told her to come around anyway and signed her up as the first artist on Real Records.

Hill introduced Hynde to a studio drummer, Gas Wild. Gas had recently returned to London from a trip to his hometown of Hereford. While in Hereford, Gas bumped into an old friend, Pete Farndon.:cool:

Pete had just returned from Australia where he'd been in a folk group, The Bushwackers. Gas phoned Pete the following week to tell him about the band he was in with an American, and to ask him if he was interested in coming to London to join them. Pete jumped at the chance to again escape Hereford and give rock 'n' roll another shot.


Chrissie met Pete at a local pub and took him to her rehearsal space, which he said was "the scummiest basement I've ever been in in my life". The first song they played was Groove Me by King Floyd, followed by a few of her songs - Tequila, The Phone Call, and I Can't Help Myself. Pete was impressed and began the task of working out the odd time signatures in her other songs.

It was soon apparent that Gas was not right for the band and they dismissed him. Chrissie had her mind set on Phil Taylor, Motorhead's drummer. To get Phil Taylor in the band, Chrissie and Pete came up with a plan to try to lure him away from Motorhead - they'd ask him to sit in on drums while they auditioned guitarists. To make this plan seem valid, they had to get a decent guitarist for the "audition". Pete had a guitarist-friend in Hereford whom he decided to call. James Honeyman-Scott agreed to go to London for the session.

Phil would not be swayed, and stayed with Motorhead. Hynde and Farndon, however, were very impressed with Jim. Honeyman-Scott was less impressed and went back home to Hereford.

About this time Gerry Mackleduff came along and, while never officially joining the band, drummed for them as a session player, receiving £10 each time.

In need of a guitarist for recording demos, Pete once again phoned Jim to see if he was interested in the job. He agreed and was paid for the session with "£100 and a load of speed". Included on this demo were I Can't Control Myself, Precious, The Phone Call, and Stop Your Sobbing.

It was summer, 1978, and once again, Jim happily returned to Hereford. This time, however, Chrissie and Pete were determined to have him in the band. Chrissie knew Jim loved Rockpile and Nick Lowe, so she took the demo to Lowe, an old friend of hers, and asked him to listen to it to see if he would be interested in producing them. He liked what he heard and told her he would produce the single for them. Chrissie then phoned Jim and told him who was going to produce their record. He immediately joined the band.

So Jim, Chrissie, Pete and Gerry went into the studio and recorded Sobbing and its b-side, The Wait.

A permanent drummer was needed as Gerry was still being paid by the session and not considered to be the right person for the job. Pete and Jim wondered what had become of a fellow they knew from, not surprisingly, Hereford - Martin Chambers. As it turned out, Martin was living within a mile of Pete's place in Tufnel Park. They invited Martin for a rehearsal, and finally everything clicked. Pete broke the news to Gerry and the Pretenders had a real drummer. By the time Sobbing was released, Martin was in the band and Gerry was not. This is the reason Martin's picture appears on the back cover (in applicable countries of release - not including the US) of Sobbing.

Their first album was number one in the UK, as was Brass in Pocket, their third UK single. The original lineup released two albums, Pretenders and Pretenders II; a North American EP, Extended Play; and a handful of singles. (This first and original line-up of the Pretenders is now considered by many in the music industry/musicians to be rock royalty.):cool:

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Brass In Pocket - http://youtube.com/watch?v=z2OpNoT8rbk

Brass In Pocket (Studio Version) - http://pretenders.org.uk/media/Brass_early_demo.wmv

Tattooed Love Boys (Rocks! A very controversial video when it first came out. MTV would only play it late at night. See if you can figure out why?:D ) - http://pretenders.org.uk/media/Tattooed_love_boys.wmv

Kid - http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&p=pretenders&b=43&oid=45cf0020f321dd8a&rurl=video.yahoo.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fsearc h%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dpretenders%26b%3D41

Stop Your Sobbing - http://youtube.com/watch?v=lKRs9eAwPxg

I Go To Sleep - http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=909d8f639955906671e43b1bc06e8888.1222811

What You Gonna Do About It? (with Steve Jones) - http://pretenders.org.uk/media/What_you.wmv



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Message Of Love - http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xiul5lgn3zA&mode=related&search=

Talk Of The Town - http://youtube.com/watch?v=LaHP_-fveVg&mode=related&search=

The Adultress - http://youtube.com/watch?v=PETOwS5-EtA

Some great old black & white photos - http://www.newwavephotos.com/Pretenders.htm


By the end of 1981, Pete Farndon had caused increasingly strained relations within the band due to his heroin use. They finished their world tour in Bangkok in April 1982.

After a rest, Chrissie, Martin and Jim got together and decided Pete would no longer be a member of the band as he had become increasingly unreliable due to his drug addiction.

Two days after Pete was told the news in June 1982, James Honeyman-Scott died in his sleep at the home of a friend. His death was due to heart failure caused by a cocaine and heroin overdose.:(

The following month, Chrissie and Martin went into the studio to record Back On The Chain Gang, a song they'd been working out during soundchecks. Tony Butler (Big Country) filled in on bass and Billy Bremner (Rockpile) took over the lead guitar duties.

A number of guitarists were auditioned before Chrissie and Martin remembered someone Jim had wanted to bring into the band as an additional member. They called Robbie McIntosh and he came for an audition. He also brought along a bass player he knew named Malcolm Foster.

Before the Pretenders were finished recording their new album, Pete Farndon died. He'd shot up while in the bath, passed out and drowned.:(

The new lineup made the "Learning To Crawl" album and, with Rupert Black on keyboards, launched an extremely successful worldwide tour.

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Back On The Chain Gang - http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=909d8f639955906671e43b1bc06e8888.1216843

Middle Of The Road - http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=909d8f639955906671e43b1bc06e8888.1216860

My City Was Gone (I hope Rush Limbaugh had to pay royalties out the *ss.) - http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZmBgtUl2uE


In 1985, the Pretenders played Live Aid, a benefit concert that was held in the UK and the US simultaneously and broadcast throughout the world. This was the last show this particular lineup would perform together.

During the recording sessions for the Get Close album, Chrissie started working with other musicians. Although it was rumoured, it was not until 1994 that the fact that Martin had actually been fired came out. Although the cover shows Chrissie, Robbie, Blair Cunningham, and T. M. Stevens, various musicians played on the album.

This lineup began a US tour in 1987 and included Bernie Worrell on keyboards. Only a few weeks into the tour, Bernie and T. M. were fired. Malcolm and Rupert were brought back in to finish the tour. By the time they'd reached South America, Robbie quit and Johnny Marr came in to replace him.

In 1990, Chrissie, now the only Pretender left, began recording Packed!, again using various musicians. During this time, there were several lineup changes. The Hynde/Marr/Eller/Hood lineup seems to be the most valid, even though they never toured, and recorded only a few tracks together.

In 1993, Chrissie finally began to rebuild the Pretenders. She kept bassist Andy Hobson from the days of Packed! (he does not appear on the album, but can be seen in the video for Sense Of Purpose) and netted Adam Seymour just after the Katydids broke up.

The recording for Last Of The Independents was already underway when Chrissie asked Martin to rejoin the band. He did.

In 1994, the band toured Europe and the US in support of Independents.

Over two nights in May of 1995, they recorded two live acoustic-type shows with the Duke String Quartet. These recordings became "The Isle Of View" LP.

They were asked and agreed to perform at the Concert for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio in 1995. The Pretenders received tremendous praise for their performances of "My City Was Gone" and Neil Young's "Needle And The Damage Done."


SXSW BREAKING NEWS: THE PRETENDERS MAY NEVER RECORD AGAIN; THE KINKS MAY TOUR

Chrissie Hynde, of the Pretenders, who has taken off four years from recording, told a group of South By Southwest journalists, she may never record again.

Hynde, a strict vegetarian, refused to sit on a leather chair, has been devoting her time to her children, and flew in from England to play a reunion set in Austin and plug a new Rhino Records Box Set, "Pirate Radio."

"If I ever record another album…," she said at one point, and when pressed by writer Bill Flanagan, she said she "probably" wouldn’t.

Of course, we’ve all heard of retirements, mostly prematurely, but what was really new for Kinks fans was the tender description Ray Davies gave of holding his brother Dave’s hand, while he was recuperating from a stroke. The brothers were the first big duelling siblings, pre-Oasis.

When asked if he would reunite with his brother and play Kinks music on tour, Davies said that "if the music feels right, I will."

The two, who spoke at different times Friday, were a SXSW highlight, available only to registered attendees. Age seems to have healed the rock star pretensions both have suffered at times in their careers.

Hynde apologized for a drunken incident years back, in which she got hauled out of a Joni Mitchell concert and may have strangled Carly Simon. Davies, who often seemed aloof and distant off stage, was remarkably warm and candid, recounting his life in New Orleans, including his being shot in the leg during a robbery attempt, and his bittersweet tour in 2001, a week after 9/11.

He showed a video documentary he’d made of the tour and played new songs in between, most of them inspired by his American journeys.

Davies blasted concert promoter Clear Channel (now called Live Nation) for its monopolistic hold on the industry, asking during the film "Would Bill Graham have sold to Clear Channel?"

Davies said he will be touring with a full and hard rocking band, playing his newly released album "Other People’s Lives." He has also been writing an album for a New Orleans high school marching band that he met when living in a house near the school.

Hynde, whose Pretenders were playing the festival’s last set Saturday night, talked about amazing incidents in her life, but took them as commonplace.

She received her first kiss ever as a teenager from soul singer Jackie Wilson, who hauled her onstage during a concert and she taught the members of the Clash to play guitar and later married Sex Pistol Sid Vicious after compensating him with "2 quid", so that she wouldn’t have to return to her native Akron from England in the mid 1970s.

She extolled the virtues of musicians who played with more joy than ability, something that came to mind later in the day, seeing the big buzz band, the Arctic Monkeys.

"If I gave you a guitar and taught you to play ‘Louie, Louie," you’d come back in two weeks and play better than Eric Clapton. He’s too good to play it right."

Tear Down This Wall
2/16/2007, 01:40 PM
She's nuttier than a fruitcake politically, but I saw them in 1987 at Reunion Arena. One of the best live shows I've ever seen.

On the other hand, Iggy Pop opened the show and sucked. Shocking, I know.

royalfan5
2/16/2007, 01:41 PM
I always laugh when I'm flipping through radio stations, and I hear the first notes of my City was gone, and realize it is Limbaugh's show. It just blows my mind that he picked that for his intro.

That being said, I really do like a lot of the Pretenders stuff.

sooneron
2/16/2007, 01:50 PM
I always laugh when I'm flipping through radio stations, and I hear the first notes of my City was gone, and realize it is Limbaugh's show. It just blows my mind that he picked that for his intro.

That being said, I really do like a lot of the Pretenders stuff.
Quit playing like you don't listen to the pudgy drug addict.

King Crimson
2/16/2007, 01:51 PM
My City Was Gone (I hope Rush Limbaugh had to pay royalties out the *ss.) - http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZmBgtUl2uE


this is just incredible. great song.

royalfan5
2/16/2007, 01:52 PM
Quit playing like you don't listen to the pudgy drug addict.
I only listen when I'm driving and he is one, because KFAB moved Becka back to three and the final market reports on KRVN aren't till 2. I have to kill time until then. He's great friends with George Brett, so he can't be all bad.

jk the sooner fan
2/16/2007, 01:54 PM
i saw them in Germany.......a GREAT show......their cover of "thin line between love and hate" is greatness imo

sooneron
2/16/2007, 02:00 PM
One of the great transitional bands of Rock N Roll. By transitional, I am referring to the time when roots rock was dying on the vine, and punk was dead.

King Crimson
2/16/2007, 02:07 PM
i'd like to hear that version of Needle and the Damage Done.

KC//CRIMSON
2/16/2007, 02:47 PM
i'd like to hear that version of Needle and the Damage Done.

This might be it.:cool: - http://pretenders.org.uk/media/Needle_Damage.wmv

SoonerJack
2/16/2007, 06:24 PM
I only listen when I'm driving and he is one, because KFAB moved Becka back to three and the final market reports on KRVN aren't till 2. I have to kill time until then. He's great friends with George Brett, so he can't be all bad.

Becka is in Omaha. You poor people. I have never been more thrilled to see a radio "personality" leave the kc market. Well, Conrad Dobler was pretty bad too.

King Crimson
2/16/2007, 06:42 PM
This might be it.:cool: - http://pretenders.org.uk/media/Needle_Damage.wmv

i can't get that link to play. it loads in winamp but nothing thereafter? anybody else try?

SoonerStormchaser
2/16/2007, 06:56 PM
Sorry...don't like em.

Jeopardude
2/16/2007, 07:01 PM
Chrissie Hynde has the best female rock voice EVAR.

jacru
2/16/2007, 07:20 PM
I love the pudgy drug addict.

LittleWingSooner
2/16/2007, 07:36 PM
Hynde is a great lead singer, even if she is nutty as hell. Message of Love is probably my favorite from them.

proud gonzo
2/16/2007, 08:23 PM
she's one of the very few female rock singers i like.

jacru
2/16/2007, 08:59 PM
Heart had two great female rock singers.

jk the sooner fan
2/16/2007, 09:01 PM
heart had one great one and one so so one

jacru
2/16/2007, 09:02 PM
They were great together, anyway.

jk the sooner fan
2/16/2007, 09:06 PM
very true!

Mixer!
2/16/2007, 10:51 PM
A great band for their time, and 2005 Rock & Roll HOF inductees.











Still sucks that Cheap Trick isn't in. :mad:

King Crimson
2/17/2007, 01:33 AM
Cheap Trick should NEVER get in for their butchering of Big Star's In the Street for "That 70's SHow". never get in.
possibly the worst song ever. screw Cheap Trick. they suck out loud.