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Ike
2/15/2007, 04:47 PM
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/lsu-lpr021407.php


LSU professor resolves Einstein's twin paradox

BATON ROUGE – Subhash Kak, Delaune Distinguished Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at LSU, recently resolved the twin paradox, known as one of the most enduring puzzles of modern-day physics.

First suggested by Albert Einstein more than 100 years ago, the paradox deals with the effects of time in the context of travel at near the speed of light. Einstein originally used the example of two clocks – one motionless, one in transit. He stated that, due to the laws of physics, clocks being transported near the speed of light would move more slowly than clocks that remained stationary. In more recent times, the paradox has been described using the analogy of twins. If one twin is placed on a space shuttle and travels near the speed of light while the remaining twin remains earthbound, the unmoved twin would have aged dramatically compared to his interstellar sibling, according to the paradox.

“If the twin aboard the spaceship went to the nearest star, which is 4.45 light years away at 86 percent of the speed of light, when he returned, he would have aged 5 years. But the earthbound twin would have aged more than 10 years!” said Kak.

The fact that time slows down on moving objects has been documented and verified over the years through repeated experimentation. But, in the previous scenario, the paradox is that the earthbound twin is the one who would be considered to be in motion – in relation to the sibling – and therefore should be the one aging more slowly. Einstein and other scientists have attempted to resolve this problem before, but none of the formulas they presented proved satisfactory.

Kak’s findings were published online in the International Journal of Theoretical Science, and will appear in the upcoming print version of the publication. “I solved the paradox by incorporating a new principle within the relativity framework that defines motion not in relation to individual objects, such as the two twins with respect to each other, but in relation to distant stars,” said Kak. Using probabilistic relationships, Kak’s solution assumes that the universe has the same general properties no matter where one might be within it.

The implications of this resolution will be widespread, generally enhancing the scientific community’s comprehension of relativity. It may eventually even have some impact on quantum communications and computers, potentially making it possible to design more efficient and reliable communication systems for space applications.


ummm...no...to the bolded part. see, this isn't really a paradox at all. The 'paradox' occurs due to the fact that in this simple representation of the problem, the effect of reversing direction (acceleration) is not taken into account. When you take that into account, the paradox is completely resolved, and no matter which frame you do the calculations in, the twin that left and came back winds up being the younger one. The notion that this is unsatisfactory is really a bunch of hooey.

Contrary to the articles assertion, the concept of an absolute frame is not necessary, (it's been tried before), Nor will this have any effect on anything that physicists are doing.


crazy cajuns.

TUSooner
2/15/2007, 05:00 PM
I still have a hard time remembering that 12-5 = 7

SicEmBaylor
2/15/2007, 05:02 PM
Are you sure?

SoonerInKCMO
2/15/2007, 06:28 PM
From 'Modern Physics' by Raymond Serway - copyright 1989.

p. 15

...In order to resolve this paradox, it should be pointed out that the trip is not as symmetrical as we may have led you to believe. Speedo, the space traveler, had to experience a series of accelerations and decelerations during his journey to the star and back home, and therefore is not always in uniform motion. This means that Speedo has been in a noninertial frame during a large part of his trip, so that predictions based on special relativity are not valid in his frame. On the other hand, the brother on earth has been in an inertial frame, and he can make reliable predictions based on the special theory. The situation is not symmetrical since Speedo experiences forces when his spaceship turns around, whereas Goslo is not subject to such forces. Therefore, the space traveler will indeed be younger upon returning to earth.

So.... Cajun dude came up with a slightly different perspective from which to view the problem and 'resolved' something that was resolved in my 20-year old undergraduate modern physics textbook.

Man, I ought to go through all my old textbooks and try to reimagine some of the problems and see if I can get an article written about me.

SicEmBaylor
2/15/2007, 06:39 PM
From 'Modern Physics' by Raymond Serway - copyright 1989.

p. 15


So.... Cajun dude came up with a slightly different perspective from which to view the problem and 'resolved' something that was resolved in my 20-year old undergraduate modern physics textbook.

Man, I ought to go through all my old textbooks and try to reimagine some of the problems and see if I can get an article written about me.

You saved your physics text book from 20 years ago?
Are you a physicist?

SoonerInKCMO
2/15/2007, 07:00 PM
No. Computer programmer with a mechanical engineering degree. I've saved a lot of my textbooks that were for classes in my majors.

usmc-sooner
2/15/2007, 07:07 PM
I would have had just a good chance of understanding this if it were in Chinese code.

TopDawg
2/15/2007, 07:17 PM
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/lsu-lpr021407.php

ummm...no...to the bolded part. see, this isn't really a paradox at all. The 'paradox' occurs due to the fact that in this simple representation of the problem, the effect of reversing direction (acceleration) is not taken into account. When you take that into account, the paradox is completely resolved, and no matter which frame you do the calculations in, the twin that left and came back winds up being the younger one. The notion that this is unsatisfactory is really a bunch of hooey.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that.

Crazy cajuns.

OUDoc
2/15/2007, 08:08 PM
That Norman Einstein was one smrt guy.

Penguin
2/15/2007, 09:10 PM
So where does the whole "become your own grandfather" thing come into play?

OUinFLA
2/15/2007, 09:47 PM
Ike = brainiac


or nerd, whichever way you wish to pizz him off.
please, don't zap me with your ray gun.

SCOUT
2/15/2007, 10:06 PM
Am I the only one that pictures Ike like this?
http://marketingplaybook.com/jimmy.jpg

OUDoc
2/15/2007, 10:11 PM
Am I the only one that pictures Ike like this?
http://marketingplaybook.com/jimmy.jpg
No.

Howzit
2/15/2007, 10:20 PM
I still have a hard time remembering that 12-5 = 7

No chit. Forget the gazintas...

batonrougesooner
2/15/2007, 11:38 PM
E=MC2

Pwnd!

tommieharris91
2/15/2007, 11:48 PM
E=MC^2

pwned!

OCUDad
2/16/2007, 12:04 AM
Am I the only one that pictures Ike like this?
http://marketingplaybook.com/jimmy.jpgYes, you are. He actually looks like this:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3884/nerdab6.png

Frozen Sooner
2/16/2007, 12:54 AM
From 'Modern Physics' by Raymond Serway - copyright 1989.

p. 15


So.... Cajun dude came up with a slightly different perspective from which to view the problem and 'resolved' something that was resolved in my 20-year old undergraduate modern physics textbook.

Man, I ought to go through all my old textbooks and try to reimagine some of the problems and see if I can get an article written about me.

I don't know that I'd trust a physics text that uses the word "deceleration."

Octavian
2/16/2007, 01:17 AM
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5342/mtgcomdailymr217picmainfz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

RacerX
2/16/2007, 07:38 AM
http://www.unima-usa.org/pics/beakman2.jpg

OUinFLA
2/16/2007, 07:41 AM
http://kelty.rice.edu/375/images/memex/brain2.jpg

TUSooner
2/16/2007, 08:48 AM
So "Subhash Kak" is a Cajun?

Who knew?!

homerSimpsonsBrain
2/16/2007, 10:55 AM
So where does the whole "become your own grandfather" thing come into play?

When your spaceship lands in Arkansas...