North Korea to shut down nukuhlar facility...

[Ike]

In exchange for oil, trade, and negotiations to "normalize" diplomatic ties with us.

so who believes em this time?

[SoonerBorn]

You forgot one of the other stipulations, which was buried in the fine print: They want to be tested to see if they are the father of Anna Nicole's child.

[Ike]

You forgot one of the other stipulations, which was buried in the fine print: They want to be tested to see if they are the father of Anna Nicole's child.


I thought that was just a given. It's only logical right?

[Tear Down This Wall]

American diplomacy is stupid. We spend years saying we're not going to give you X, Y, and Z. Then, we give them X, Y, and Z...along with A through W. If Castro could live just a little longer, I'm sure someone would find a way to give Cuba a couple of seats in the U.S. House and let them vote on American legislation.

I rode in a car this morning with someone who forced me to listen to Mike Gallagher. What a fackin' dill hole that guy is. These knee-jerk anti-Hillary and anti-Obama people are as putrid as the knee-jerk anti-Bush people.

Newsflash to editorial writers and political commentators - we all already know that politicians suck. They all suck. It's no surprise. When I open a can of beans, there are going to be, surprise, beans in it. Why can't anyone have a serious debate without all the personal bullcrap?

You know what? Good for North Korea for screwing Bush they way they did Clinton. There's not a ball's hair worth of difference between the two of 'em. Except for a very small handful of politicians - Churchill, Reagan, and Thatcher - there have been no politicians who will just do what they feel right for the country without taking some crapas*s poll over the last 60+ years.

I'm going to feel very good about sitting out the elections in 2008. I look at the choices on both sides and think, "Crap, this is it? All America has to offer among 350 million people is this bucket of collective horse ****?"

Screw 'em. Cowards. Just give the bomb to Iran already, cap what white males can earn in a year, and get to the punchline. Stupid f'n as*sbadgers.

[Howzit]

Yay for a nucular free Korean peninshula.

[fadada1]

American diplomacy is stupid. We spend years saying we're not going to give you X, Y, and Z. Then, we give them X, Y, and Z...along with A through W. If Castro could live just a little longer, I'm sure someone would find a way to give Cuba a couple of seats in the U.S. House and let them vote on American legislation.

I rode in a car this morning with someone who forced me to listen to Mike Gallagher. What a fackin' dill hole that guy is. These knee-jerk anti-Hillary and anti-Obama people are as putrid as the knee-jerk anti-Bush people.

Newsflash to editorial writers and political commentators - we all already know that politicians suck. They all suck. It's no surprise. When I open a can of beans, there are going to be, surprise, beans in it. Why can't anyone have a serious debate without all the personal bullcrap?

You know what? Good for North Korea for screwing Bush they way they did Clinton. There's not a ball's hair worth of difference between the two of 'em. Except for a very small handful of politicians - Churchill, Reagan, and Thatcher - there have been no politicians who will just do what they feel right for the country with taking some crapas*s poll over the last 60+ years.

I'm going to feel very good about sitting out the elections in 2008. I look at the choices on both sides and think, "Crap, this is it? All America has to offer among 350 million people is this bucket of collective horse ****?"

Screw 'em. Cowards. Just give the bomb to Iran already, cap what white males can earn in a year, and get to the punchline. Stupid f'n as*sbadgers.
:eek:

yup.

thing is, i kinda of like hillary... in a way. mostly because i think she's exceptionally intelligent. i also like obama. again, mostly because he's smart. sad thing is, they are still politicians.

and while he's slipped a little for me, i still like john mccain. we simply wouldn't be dealing with the crap we are right now - with iraq, iran, afghanistan, or north korea. he simply wouldn't stand for it. i remember an interview he gave a few years back - to whom, i don't know. he refered to the vietnamese people as "gooks". the interviewer asked if that was insensitive. mccain looked him in the eye, and said "i spent 7 years getting tortured by these people. i think i've earned the right to call them whatever i want." the interviewer shut up. he wasn't worried about offending anyone or hurting their feelings.

[Howzit]

I'm going to feel very good about sitting out the elections in 2008. I look at the choices on both sides and think, "Crap, this is it? All America has to offer among 350 million people is this bucket of collective horse ****?"



Hell, that's how I've felt in the last two elections.

[jk the sooner fan]

how has N. Korea screwed Bush......please explain

[jeremy885]

:eek:

yup.

thing is, i kinda of like hillary... in a way. mostly because i think she's exceptionally intelligent. i also like obama. again, mostly because he's smart. sad thing is, they are still politicians.




I have a frat brother, who was an aid to a Senator who was on one of Hillary's committees. From what he saw, she isn't that smart. She has great sound bites, but that's about it.

[Petro-Sooner]

So who all is in on the republican side? Gulliani and McCain? Is that it?

[Vaevictis]

In exchange for oil, trade, and negotiations to "normalize" diplomatic ties with us.

so who believes em this time?

They'll abide by it just enough to get what they want, and in a few years, they'll break it to force a renegotiation. Nothing new.

[OklahomaTuba]

You know what? Good for North Korea for screwing Bush they way they did Clinton. There's not a ball's hair worth of difference between the two of 'em.



Bush didn't create this situation, this is all Bubbas doing.

He was the one sending his officials over to sip the bubbly with one of the worst dicatators in world history all the while feeding them nuke technology that they probably already sold to some terrorist group.

WTF did they think was going to happen????!?!??


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Kim_Jong_Il_and_Madeleine_Albright.jpg/300px-Kim_Jong_Il_and_Madeleine_Albright.jpg

[jk the sooner fan]

So who all is in on the republican side? Gulliani and McCain? Is that it?

Mitt Romney and then a bunch of spares

[fadada1]

I have a frat brother, who was an aid to a Senator who was on one of Hillary's committees. From what he saw, she isn't that smart. She has great sound bites, but that's about it.
if she's not smart, i fear for our future. as of right now, i'll take anyone with an IQ over 100.

[jk the sooner fan]

hillary is at best a socialist.....

[Widescreen]

They'll abide by it just enough to get what they want, and in a few years, they'll break it to force a renegotiation. Nothing new.
Yep. And I think this answers jk's question above. DPRK hasn't screwed Bush - yet. When they decide to break this agreement, you'll be able to say Bush got screwed.

[Widescreen]

Just hours after announcing the agreement — which clearly states North Korea must "shut down and seal for the purpose of eventual abandonment the Yongbyon nuclear facility, including the reprocessing facility" — Pyongyang issued a statement claiming it had agreed only to a "temporary suspension" of its nuclear program.

Wow! I think they broke their own record.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251618,00.html

[jk the sooner fan]

Bush has stayed away from negotiating with North Korea....he's forced the hands of the chinese and other neighboring nations to deal with it.......and now Kim Jung Il is buckling, he's giving in.......he's asking for energy, nothing has been promised to him, but he's making concessions he hasnt made before

will he withdraw and start the charade all over again? probably so, he's a lunatic, but at least he's shown his true hand to the world

sounds like a foreign policy victory to me, i'm sure others will disagree

[SoonerProphet]

Agreed Framework II...I'll disagree on the victory part. Wouldn't give them diddly squat and unification needs to be addressed. They can put their "normalization" idea up their rears.

[JohnnyMack]

I have a frat brother, who was an aid to a Senator who was on one of Hillary's committees. From what he saw, she isn't that smart. She has great sound bites, but that's about it.

Yeah, like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PfE9K8j0g

:rolleyes:

[Scott D]

I've come to the conclusion that he isn't quite as crazy as we tend to think he is.

[OklahomaTuba]

The only victory in North Korea at this point would be for it to just disappear.

[Widescreen]

He's better hurry up and capitulate. If he doesn't, Hans Blix will bring a letter from the UN telling Kim how angry they are.

[OklahomaTuba]

He's better hurry up and capitulate. If he doesn't, Hans Blix will bring a letter from the UN telling Kim how angry they are.

Oh Dear Lord, anything but another STRONGLY WORDED LETTER!!!

DEAR LORD HELP US ALL!!!!

[Scott D]

well to be fair the last time a German used anything more than a strongly worded letter, there were about 8 nations beating down the door to kick his ***.

[Vaevictis]

Yep. And I think this answers jk's question above. DPRK hasn't screwed Bush - yet. When they decide to break this agreement, you'll be able to say Bush got screwed.

Nah. I don't think anyone has any illusions that this is anything other than a temporary measure. Everyone involved knows that N. Korea won't stick to it long term.

As such, when the eventual breach happens, it's not Bush (or us) getting screwed; we always anticipated and even expected it to happen. It's just part of the cost of doing business.

[OklahomaTuba]

well to be fair the last time a German used anything more than a strongly worded letter, there were about 8 nations beating down the door to kick his ***.

Yeah, its either all or nothing with those krauts. :D

[Pricetag]

You forgot one of the other stipulations, which was buried in the fine print: They want to be tested to see if they are the father of Anna Nicole's child.
Kim must have tapped it while he was waiting for the rest of his foursome at the turn after hitting five hole-in-ones on the front nine.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Look, in 1986 Reagan told Gorbachev - and I'm paraphrasing here - "Now looky here...we know your country sucks. We've known it for years. Now that your faux economy is collapsing, you have to finally admit it. Your people hate you and you're slowly killing them. You're a fat, bald, smiling little rat who just recognized his tail is in the trap. We're going to fund SDI and you're all going to lick that little area between my anus and ball sack while I sit back and fart. Good day."

Within three years, the damn thing started to collapse on the Soviets. Someone on the U.S. side need to deliver the "suck my fart" speech to Kim Jong Il. Apparently, no one has the rocks to do it.

All we have the rocks to do is ship over a bunch of crap to prop up the commies a few years longer while they starve and beat their people to death. What a huge f'n embarrassment.

I'll tell you this, citizens...I expected cowardly diplomacy from the likes of Clinton. I didn't expect it from the guy who stood on a pile of rubble on September 12, 2001 and said, "By gum! Terrorism against our nation will not stand."

North Korea is further along in its collpse point than the Soviets were in 1986. D*ckless president after d*ckless president refuses to rub them out of existence. Screw 'em.

Good job, feed Kim Jong Il for a few more years while he slithers around "international inspections" the way Iraq did and the way Iran does. Everybody knows that we no longer mean business. All we mean anymore is a few days of shock and awe, then eventually caving in because our p*ssified nation can't stand the sight of blood during war.

This country lost the will to win midway through the Korean War. It sickens me to the core. We just got jobbed by a guy with nothing left in his economic tank. Reagan is rolling over in his grave, no doubt; and, somehwere, Thatcher is surely weeping.

We're gutless.

[jk the sooner fan]

comparing the threat that the USSR posed to the US then, to the "threat" that north korea poses to the US now, is laughable in my opinion

[Tear Down This Wall]

comparing the threat that the USSR posed to the US then, to the "threat" that north korea poses to the US now, is laughable in my opinion


Me, too. That's why I don't understand why we treat that idiot over there with even one ounce of respect. It's like buying a whore and then taking her out to dinner instead of screwing her.

[jk the sooner fan]

what exactly has the US done to show him anything? Bush hasnt responded at all....he's ignored Kim Jong Il....hell the liberals here thrashed over it a year or so ago......"why is Bush ignoring this huge nuke threat, why havent we invaded NK"

[Tear Down This Wall]

Look, Bush is a great, great man for hearing the liberals whiners, then going back to his B-B-Q sandwich. I love him for that.

But, when we're in diplomatic negotiations with Communists and we have the balance of power tipped in our favor, we ought to hammer the snot out of them, coming and going. We don't. We p*ssyfoot around, invite other countries in for the talks, hem and haw, then continue to prop up the regime.

Pointless.

[jk the sooner fan]

i think he was busy elsewhere

[Tear Down This Wall]

yes.

[Vaevictis]

But, when we're in diplomatic negotiations with Communists and we have the balance of power tipped in our favor, we ought to hammer the snot out of them, coming and going. We don't. We p*ssyfoot around, invite other countries in for the talks, hem and haw, then continue to prop up the regime.

So, how do you suggest we hammer the snot out of him?

[Tear Down This Wall]

By continuing to run them into the ground economically.

[Vaevictis]

... and if they manage to come up with nukes prior to collapse and decide to turn them into a revenue stream?

[Tear Down This Wall]

If they manage to come up with nukes prior to collapse I'll be a monkey's damn uncle. Clinton gave them damn near a full decade to tinker with it. All they can come up with is a 40 or so second launch.

Here's something else I don't get...
We've got all of these politicians and pundits saying "we can't just impose our will here or there" and "we need to suck as*s like Europe and the rest of the world", etc., etc., etc.

Okay, fine. If we're going to fold up our tents and go home so that everyone will love us and our Ivy League-educated diplomats won't feel snubbed at European parties anymore, then who really give a rat's fat as*s what North Korea does? You can't have it both ways. You're either are for wiping out oppression or you're not.

Right now, ever since Korea (except that small Reagan window), we've been playing it halfway. "Oh, yeah, we'll come to the rescue...nevermind, we had some people killed and the media reported it. See ya later."

Either sack up diplomatically or come back home and play horseshoes on the front lawn of the White House with W and his friends from back home. But, please, don't come back with this "we've done something" when all you've done is promised to prop up a Communist regime for a couple of years in exchange for their "temporarily" giving something up.

What a sham.

[Vaevictis]

If they manage to come up with nukes prior to collapse I'll be a monkey's damn uncle.

Punt.


You're either are for wiping out oppression or you're not.

Have we ever been for wiping out oppression, really? From my point of view, everything we did in the Cold War wasn't to wipe out oppression, it was to preserve our own interests. Protecting other people's liberty (from commies only, mind you) was only the means, never the end.

[Vaevictis]

Also, you've heard of A.Q Khan, the Pakistani dude that was caught selling nuclear secrets, right?

Apparently, he traded nuclear tech and materials to N Korea for missile tech. N. Korea has new stuff at their disposal, compared to the Clinton years.

[Turd_Ferguson]

If they manage to come up with nukes prior to collapse I'll be a monkey's damn uncle. Clinton gave them damn near a full decade to tinker with it. All they can come up with is a 40 or so second launch.

Here's something else I don't get...
We've got all of these politicians and pundits saying "we can't just impose our will here or there" and "we need to suck as*s like Europe and the rest of the world", etc., etc., etc.

Okay, fine. If we're going to fold up our tents and go home so that everyone will love us and our Ivy League-educated diplomats won't feel snubbed at European parties anymore, then who really give a rat's fat as*s what North Korea does? You can't have it both ways. You're either are for wiping out oppression or you're not.

Right now, ever since Korea (except that small Reagan window), we've been playing it halfway. "Oh, yeah, we'll come to the rescue...nevermind, we had some people killed and the media reported it. See ya later."

Either sack up diplomatically or come back home and play horseshoes on the front lawn of the White House with W and his friends from back home. But, please, don't come back with this "we've done something" when all you've done is promised to prop up a Communist regime for a couple of years in exchange for their "temporarily" giving something up.

What a sham.

[GunnerySgtHartman]Jebus H. Christ, I think you've got a hard on![GunnerySgtHartman]. I'm bustin a :texan: myself!
TF

[Tiptonsooner]

Stupid f'n as*sbadgers.

That is an instant classic...