If these f'ers want a fight

[85Sooner]

Then I say lets suspend a few laws and clean up this country.
http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/012507/protesters.html


I can't believe how many times I am reading abouy law enforcment or the lack thereof. Judges clearly making ruliings that are against the constitution and sometimes just ignoring the law. I don't know how far this will lead the US down the tube but there has got to be a point when some Americans start taking action in more than a civil way.

[TUSooner]

Then I say lets suspend a few laws and clean up this country.
http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/012507/protesters.html


I can't believe how many times I am reading abouy law enforcment or the lack thereof. Judges clearly making ruliings that are against the constitution and sometimes just ignoring the law. I don't know how far this will lead the US down the tube but there has got to be a point when some Americans start taking action in more than a civil way.

Where does that article say anything about judges?
Sounds like the police "leadership" is to blame for the back down (which was indeed pretty pathetic.)

But some azshole, dikkwheels act like juveniles with spray paint and you're calling out the ****ing lynch mobs and calling for YOUR mob to rule. You might as well join the anarchists. Sheesh.

Get.
A.
Grip.

[JohnnyMack]

Somebody remind me how to use the popcorn smiley.

[frankensooner]

Yeah, that was all the Judges' fault. sheesh! ;)

[85Sooner]

Where does that article say anything about judges?
Sounds like the police "leadership" is to blame for the back down (which was indeed pretty pathetic.)

But some azshole, dikkwheels act like juveniles with spray paint and you're calling out the ****ing lynch mobs and calling for YOUR mob to rule. You might as well join the anarchists. Sheesh.

Get.
A.
Grip.


Not just because of this. I am sick and tired of this whole crowd. If you havn't seen some judges making the rulings I am talking about then pay better attention. I can easily say that I didn't see any behavior or rhetoric that even came close to this crap when Bill was in office. Oh and we always referred to him as "the President" not Mr. Bush , the way many news reporters and politicians do.

[frankensooner]

Hmmmmm, I bet that TU and I get our information from the opinions, and not from Rush, you should try it. ;) Oh, and I don't really care one way or t'other, but I remember Clinton referred to by "Clinton" more than by the President.

[FaninAma]

Where does that article say anything about judges?
Sounds like the police "leadership" is to blame for the back down (which was indeed pretty pathetic.)

But some azshole, dikkwheels act like juveniles with spray paint and you're calling out the ****ing lynch mobs and calling for YOUR mob to rule. You might as well join the anarchists. Sheesh.

Get.
A.
Grip.

Actually the more stupid things like this that the angry left does the harder it will be for the Democrats to allow themselves to be tied to these idiots. This kind of crap is the best thing to happen to the GOP since the election.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Hmmmmm, I bet that TU and I get our information from the opinions, and not from Rush, you should try it. ;) Oh, and I don't really care one way or t'other, but I remember Clinton referred to by "Clinton" more than by the President.I didn't realize you listened to Rush! What's that, you DON'T listen to him? Since you don't, give us the courtesy of not pretending you know what he says on his show.

[tbl]

:pop:

[frankensooner]

Nope I have a job and don't listen to the radio during the day. Sorry.

What I do know is that most of what people complain about when it come to judicial activism accounts for about 1/2 of 1% of sitting judges. Most judges apply the law, and guess what, the law is pretty conservative, which is a good thing in my opinion. If a party is not happy with the outcome they can appeal it to a higher court. Lower courts generally hate being reversed, so they try to get it right. There are a few that like to stir the pot, just like anywhere else, just like some posters in this thread, so there you go.

[yermom]

Hmmmmm, I bet that TU and I get our information from the opinions, and not from Rush, you should try it. ;) Oh, and I don't really care one way or t'other, but I remember Clinton referred to by "Clinton" more than by the President.

that or Taxula

[yermom]

so why didn't they just arrest the idiots defacing government property?

that can't count as 1st Amendment rights...

[Dio]

I hate the new President Palmer.

[jacru]

Nope I have a job and don't listen to the radio during the day. Sorry(not really, just being polite).

What I do know is lawyerism and that I better never speak agin a judge or it may come back and bite me in the butt and cost me a case.
Fixed by using my psychic powers and reading your mind.;)

[frankensooner]

Nope, there are jackhole judges, and a know a few, but from personal experience, most of them are good folks that do a great job.

[Jerk]

This is when a flame thrower would have come in handy. Surely a Capitol Hill policeman said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it"

[frankensooner]

I agree with Jerk, these people are animals and should be treated as such.

[Jerk]

You ever wonder why you don't see conservatives gather together in protest by the thousands?

Is it because we're not as motivated?

Is it because we don't think it would make a difference?

Is it because we have jobs and responsibilites that we can't forget?

[FaninAma]

You ever wonder why you don't see conservatives gather together in protest by the thousands?

Is it because we're not as motivated?

Is it because we don't think it would make a difference?

Is it because we have jobs and responsibilites that we can't forget?

I choose "C". What do I win?

I am often faced with the difficult choice of whether to go to the kids' basketball game or to go and write grafitti on the walls of city hall. It's a real conundrum sometimes.

Actually, I think most of the angry left are just bored with life and are looking for some cheap thrills, easy tail and a reason to skip whatever minimum wage jobs they have.

[frankensooner]

Are anarchists considered liberals? I thought they were wholly anti-government, which seem more of a Republican thing, present president aside...;)

[jacru]

democrat does equal liberal. Unfortunately, republican does NOT equal consevative.

[frankensooner]

I know plenty of conservative democrats and some fairly liberal republicans. I think people call them "moderates" and that is what most Americans view themselves as.

[TUSooner]

***Most judges apply the law, and guess what, the law is pretty conservative, which is a good thing in my opinion. If a party is not happy with the outcome they can appeal it to a higher court. Lower courts generally hate being reversed, so they try to get it right. There are a few that like to stir the pot, just like anywhere else, just like some posters in this thread, so there you go.

This is correct.
For the record, those people who defaced the Capitol should NOT have been allowed to get away with it. What were the cops there for if not to stop that sh!t?!
But please get your rant right. Many posters here are just looking for a chance to get all indignant and righteous about the loony left. It's as predictable as...
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4868/kneejerkreactionor0.jpg

[jacru]

Moderates are people who don't want to choose sides. They try to split the baby. All they get is a bloody, dead baby and no one is happy. You are, predominately, either liberal or conservative.

[frankensooner]

That is a lot of hooey. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. If either side were allowed to do things completely their way, there would be hell to pay. Our founding fathers knew that and that is why we have this wonderful system of government.

[TUSooner]

Moderates are people who don't want to choose sides. They try to split the baby. All they get is a bloody, dead baby and no one is happy. You are, predominately, either liberal or conservative.

That's the kind of lame-azs thinking that produced the National Socialist Party and the Bolsheviks. Extremism is catnip for people who are tired of thinking - or incapable of it - and want an easy canned answer to everything.

[Ike]

They try to split the baby. All they get is a bloody, dead baby and no one is happy.

not if they bring BBQ sauce too.:cry:

[JohnnyMack]

not if they bring BBQ sauce too.:cry:

If Bobby Flay was there, he could make something good out of it.

[OhU1]

I didn't realize you listened to Rush! What's that, you DON'T listen to him? Since you don't, give us the courtesy of not pretending you know what he says on his show.

People still listen to Rush? And admit they get their news from him? The guy is an entertainer simply trying to get a reaction. I didn't realize there were still people who took him seriously out there.

[jacru]

That is a lot of hooey. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. If either side were allowed to do things completely their way, there would be hell to pay. Our founding fathers knew that and that is why we have this wonderful system of government.
and on every issue we vote. one side wins one loses. every time.

[Ike]

and on every issue we vote. one side wins one loses. every time.
the fallacy here is that every issue has only a liberal and a conservative solution.

[Vaevictis]

Moderates are people who don't want to choose sides.

Moderates are people who recognize that they could be wrong.

[frankensooner]

and on every issue we vote. one side wins one loses. every time.
Sure in elections, but then the lawmakers have to go and hash it out and pass laws that fall somewhere between the two sides.

If the law passed doesn't jibe with the Constitution, It can be tossed aside, if the president doesn't agree with it, it can be vetoed. Wow, seems like there is a lot more to it than "Our party wins".

Truth be told, there isn't that much difference in any politician no matter what letter is behind his/her name, they all are just paying lip service to their constituents and for the most part playing cya.

[jacru]

the fallacy here is that every issue has only a liberal and a conservative solution.
you probably believe in being a little bit pregnant.:rolleyes:
you are either for or against something.
you have abortions or you don't.
you raise taxes or you don't.
etc., etc., etc.

[OhU1]

Sure in elections, but then the lawmakers have to go and hash it out and pass laws that fall somewhere between the two sides.

If the law passed doesn't jibe with the Constitution, It can be tossed aside, if the president doesn't agree with it, it can be vetoed. Wow, seems like there is a lot more to it than "Our party wins".

Truth be told, there isn't that much difference in any politician no matter what letter is behind his/her name, they all are just paying lip service to their constituents and for the most part playing cya.

Franken what you said seems to have a little too much balance and analysis thrown in. I'm going to go ahead and label your post as liberal and say I disagree with it. :D

[TopDawg]

you raise taxes or you don't.


Or you say you're not going to raise taxes and you do.

[frankensooner]

I once thought about starting a skepticism party, but my core constituents wouldn't believe a word I said.

Most anyone who sidles us next to ya and says, hey I agree with you, just want to get their hands in your pocket! ;)

[TopDawg]

you are either for or against something.


Are you for putting law-breakers in jail?

[85Sooner]

Or you say you're not going to raise taxes and you do.


and if your a republican, you get thrown out of office.

If your a democrat, well they don't get thrown out for federal crimes why would they leave for lying.

[85Sooner]

Are you for putting law-breakers in jail?


Jail is only one option for dealing with law breakers.

As for the folks in DC I would sentence them to cleaning their trash with a tube of toothpaste and toothbrush until there was no longer evidence of the infraction. It would be the cleanest place in DC too :)

[TopDawg]

and if your a republican, you get thrown out of office.

If your a democrat, well they don't get thrown out for federal crimes why would they leave for lying.

Dems can't help it if they're just more loveable. ;)

[TopDawg]

Jail is only one option for dealing with law breakers.


Not according to jacru. You're either for it or against it. You don't wanna be a flip-flopper, do ya?

[jacru]

Not according to jacru. You're either for it or against it. You don't wanna be a flip-flopper, do ya?
I'm for punishment. If it's jail, hanging, flogging, etc. ,then good.

[Stoop Dawg]

jacru is Grade-A politician material. If you can't think of a good answer, change the question.

[TopDawg]

I'm for punishment. If it's jail, hanging, flogging, etc. ,then good.

So are you for or against jail terms for law-breakers? It's my understanding that you have to be one or the other.

[85Sooner]

Not according to jacru. You're either for it or against it. You don't wanna be a flip-flopper, do ya?


I would rephrase that as someone is either guilty or not guilty. the degree of the penalty is the part on a sliding scale.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I would rephrase that as someone is either guilty or not guilty. the degree of the penalty is the part on a sliding scale.

Because of our friend the XIII Amendment.


Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Stole a loaf of bread because you're starving? Owe someone ten bucks and default on it? It doesn't mean automatic jail time, even though the violation of the law is black and white. Either you did or you didn't. However, our good friend the XIII Amendment gives us the restriction to not impose excessive bail, fines, or cruel and unusual punishment which is in fact, a very grey area interpreted by populace as much as actual definition of what's excessive, cruel and/or unusual.

Same logic why someone will fry like bacon in Texas for murder(the black and white issue, either you did or you didn't) and dance in prison for seven years in California and walk for the same thing (the grey area we spoke of).

[TopDawg]

I would rephrase that as someone is either guilty or not guilty. the degree of the penalty is the part on a sliding scale.

So then whether or not you are for or against jail terms for law-breakers depends on what law is broken?

Sounds like a dangerously moderate way of thinking.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

So then whether or not you are for or against jail terms for law-breakers depends on what law is broken?

Sounds like a dangerously moderate way of thinking.

Thanks for ignoring my post.

[Ike]

Same logic why someone will fry like bacon in Texas for murder(the black and white issue, either you did or you didn't) and dance in prison for seven years in California and walk for the same thing (the grey area we spoke of).

Or someone might be convicted of a murder you didn't really commit, due to any number of factors, only to be exonerated 22 years later by new DNA evidence...



while murder may be a black and white issue (you did or you didn't), actually making the determination of whether you did or did not commit the crime is not always as black and white. (I would argue that it rarely is)

[TopDawg]

Thanks for ignoring my post.

Thanks for ignoring the time stamp on my post.

[olevetonahill]

I choose "C". What do I win?

I am often faced with the difficult choice of whether to go to the kids' basketball game or to go and write grafitti on the walls of city hall. It's a real conundrum sometimes.

Actually, I think most of the angry left are just bored with life and are looking for some cheap thrills, easy tail and a reason to skip whatever minimum wage jobs they have.

Cheap thrills ? easy Tail Im in
Hell folks I just became Liberal

[olevetonahill]

Moderates are people who recognize that they could be wrong.
Well Hell Now Im a moderate
You people make up my mind !:confused:

[yermom]

Moderates are people who don't want to choose sides. They try to split the baby. All they get is a bloody, dead baby and no one is happy. You are, predominately, either liberal or conservative.

i'm anti-gun control and pro-life what am i?

[Mongo]

A baby lovin, gun totin' hillbilly?

[yermom]

i'm not really a liberal or a conservative

i think even Lid professes to be a fiscal conservative

some people can think for themselves and not worry about which side is right or wrong based on if they are a donkey or an elephant

i don't generally trust anyone that decides to be a career politician

[Stoop Dawg]

i'm anti-gun control and pro-life what am i?

a bloody, dead baby

[Scott D]

i'm not really a liberal or a conservative

i think even Lid professes to be a fiscal conservative

some people can think for themselves and not worry about which side is right or wrong based on if they are a donkey or an elephant

i don't generally trust anyone that decides to be a career politician

according to this board, that makes you a dirty libz.

[olevetonahill]

according to some on this board, that makes you a dirty libz.
fixed

[PrideTrombone]

you probably believe in being a little bit pregnant.:rolleyes:
you are either for or against something.
you have abortions or you don't.
you raise taxes or you don't.
etc., etc., etc.

Well, let's take me as an example.

Abortions, ok. (Liberal)
Taxes, not ok. (Conservative)

OK, now classify me.

[yermom]

i'm anti-gun control and pro-life what am i?

this makes absolutely no sense unless you know me as the Bush hating "lib" that i am, heh

i had meant to put two somewhat contradictory things here :D

[olevetonahill]

Well, let's take me as an example.

Abortions, ok. (Liberal)
Taxes, not ok. (Conservative)

OK, now classify me.
Murderin Tight wad ?

[Mongo]

Well, let's take me as an example.

Abortions, ok. (Liberal)
Taxes, not ok. (Conservative)

OK, now classify me.

feminist stingey bastard?