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KC//CRIMSON
1/26/2007, 01:01 PM
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In December 1971, Gregg Rolie, the organist and vocalist and co-founding member of Santana, decided that it was time to leave the band, due to longstanding disagreements with Carlos Santana about the musical direction of the group. He went home to Seattle and opened a restaurant with his father.

While all this was going on, there was another face on the scene; the road manager for Santana, Walter "Herbie" Herbert. After an abortive South American tour, Herbert was on Carlos’ bad side. Herbie and Santana guitarist Neal Schon had become good friends on the tour. Herbie had the idea to take Schon and form a new band around his guitar-playing talents. After Schon parted ways with a Larry Graham side project that would eventually become Graham Central Station, he agreed. Herbert was able to get George Tickner (guitar) and Ross Valory (former bassist for the Steve Miller Band) who were at the time playing in Frumious Bandersnatch (another band that Herbie managed) to join Schon and form a new band. Prairie Prince (drums), who was already with The Tubes, was recruited to join the new effort.

Meanwhile, Rolie's restaurant in Seattle was not doing well. Rolie sold a majority of it, but still was on the hook financially. Herbert and Schon agreed that they should also bring in Rolie, and Herbie made the call. In June 1973, the Golden Gate Rhythm Section was formed. Their initial plan was to be a ready-made studio band for anyone wanting to cut a record in San Francisco. While waiting for a job to come along, Tickner started submitting ideas for the band's own original material. Tickner was leaning toward very progressive material, material that was probably not commercially viable, but was pushing musical boundaries. They recorded some demo tapes and sent them to KSAN-FM, the Bay Area rock station. After listeners heard the tapes, and were given some background on the band, they were invited to submit names for the band. There is some dispute as to who actually came up with the name Journey, but John Villaneuva, a Herbert associate, put it forward to Herbie, and the band had a new name.

Greg Rolie and Neil Schon with Santana: Black Magic Woman - http://www.zippyvideos.com/5227266303202896/santana_-_black_magic_woman/


First Incarnation

The band's first public appearance came at Winterland New Year’s Eve 1973. The next day, they flew to Hawaii and played the Crater Festival. Prince, while he didn’t mind helping the band out, was still tied to his other band, The Tubes. He did not want to make a commitment to join formally, so Herbert, having become manager of the new band, arranged for auditions for a new drummer, but nobody clicked. Herbert thought of Aynsley Dunbar, a drummer who played with Frank Zappa, John Mayall, Jeff Beck, Bonzo Dog Band, Mothers of Invention, Lou Reed, and David Bowie. Schon remembered seeing him play with Zappa, and the hunt was on. Although Dunbar didn’t know the members of Journey, he saw the potential and joined the band. On 5 February 1974, the new line-up made their debut at the Great American Music Hall. The band was off and running.

Signed to Columbia Records, Journey released its self-titled first album Journey in 1975. It showcased their considerable talent as musicians on jazz-flavored progressive rock epics.

Guitarist George Tickner was tired from touring and left the band by the time of their second album, Look into the Future (1976), which toned down a little the overt progressiveness of their first release but still retained a jazz fusion base. The following year's Next tried for shorter tracks to increase accessibility, but didn't find commercial success (although it did start a pattern of trademark one-word album titles).

A New Vocalist

With the mediocre sales of the album Next and the difficulties Gregg Rolie was having maintaining his dual role as keyboardist and lead vocalist (in fact, Neal Schon sang on a few of that album's tracks), the band was pressured by the studio to change direction and find a new lead singer and frontman. As a result, Journey enlisted Robert Fleischman. Fleischman, a southern California native, had been playing with a Chicago-based touring band when his manager, Barry Fey, brought him to Denver in early 1977 for a showcase with studio executives. "It was completely snowing and we didn’t know if people were gonna’ make it, and then all the people from the west coast and the east coast made it," Fleischman recalls . He was "discovered" by a CBS executive at the showcase, and within two weeks was flown out to San Francisco for an audition with Journey.

Told that the band was transitioning to a more popular style, akin to that of Foreigner and Boston, Fleischman knew that his Led Zeppelin-inspired vocal style would be an asset. But he was taken aback by the sheer power of the band he was hooking up with. In their first studio session, Fleishman recalls, "It was like...having rockets on the back of your pockets. And they’d been together so long and they were so tight that it was great to play with people that way." The sessions that winter ultimately produced "For You," which later appeared on the Time3 box set, and "Wheel in the Sky," later recorded--without Fleischman--for the Infinity album.

Fleischman went out on the road with Journey that spring, but his tenure in the band was short-lived. He kept his own manager, Barry Fey, a constant affront to the authority of Journey's manager, Herbie Herbert. Additionally, Herbert seemed unwilling to let the band's new direction play out immediately, and Fleischman often found himself relegated to shaking a tambourine while the band played its classic numbers to its diehard core of fusion fans. Fleischman also apparently clashed with other band members when he failed to finish new songs promptly.


A New Vocalist:Redux

Manager Herbie Herbert had heard of singer Steve Perry, and when the singer's demo tape (from his previous band Alien Project) of a song called "If You Need Me, Call Me"—which later appeared on Perry's Greatest Hits + Five Unreleased album, with the remaining tracks from the demo tape to be released in early October 2006 on the remastered release of Perry's Street Talk) was put in his hands by roadie Jack Villanueva, Herbie knew he needed to make a change. After an interesting interlude in which Perry was covertly introduced to the band (with Fleischman being told Perry was Villanueva's Portuguese cousin), Fleischman was fired. Perry made his public debut with Journey in October 1977 in San Francisco.

In Perry's first meeting with Schon, the pair quickly penned their first song together, "Patiently", which would appear on the new album Infinity in 1978. Perry added his signature vocals to now-classic tracks such as "Lights" (written by Perry as an ode to San Francisco but originally written as an ode to Los Angeles) and "Wheel in the Sky" (written by Fleischman, Schon and Valory's then-wife, Diane) and "Anytime". In addition, Queen producer Roy Thomas Baker was brought in by Fleischman to provide a more layered sound. The changes worked, and Journey achieved their highest chart success to date, reaching No. 21 on the album charts and Infinity gave Journey their first R.I.A.A. certified Platinum album.

In 1979, Dunbar was fired, due to what Herbie claimed was "incompatibility of the first order," and joined Jefferson Starship. His replacement on drums was Steve Smith (Side note: Steve Smith is one of the most prolific drummers of our time. The guy is BIG TIME: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Smith_%28musician%29) for the album Evolution, and the band got its first Billboard Hot 100 Top 20 single, "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'".

"Lights" (With Dunbar) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4QkTvK2OEw

"Feeling That Way" (With Dunbar and Rolie on Lead Vocals) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuX0c2M0KT0

"Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' (With Smith) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jr9WBDVXQ



1980 saw the album Departure, which continued the trend toward increasing commercial success, reaching No. 8 on the album charts. "Any Way You Want It" was a Top 25 single and received solid FM radio airplay. At this point, the band had a solid concert following as well. They were poised for large-scale success.

Any Way You Want It (With Smith) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqyIpwhXXrk

Exhausted from extensive touring, Rolie departed. Before leaving, he recommended a successor for keyboards: Jonathan Cain, a former member of The Babys, a band that had just previously toured with Journey.

MASSIVE Commercial Success

In 1981, Journey's seventh studio album, Escape, went to No. 1 on the album charts and would go on to become their biggest selling and most popular studio album (nine times platinum), not counting their Greatest Hits album. The hits "Who's Crying Now", "Don't Stop Believin'" and "Open Arms" all reached the Top 10 as singles. The band's polished sound, fronted by Perry's distinctive and soon-to-be widely imitated voice, became a popular radio presence.

Who's Cryin Now - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1cjUA9jadM

Don't Stop Believin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA

Open Arms - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTMzPpwc36M - This live lead vocal is unbelievable.

In particular, "Don't Stop Believin'" showcased how well Perry's soaring tenor could interlace with Cain's full piano chords and Schon's dynamic guitar work, while "Open Arms" — which spent six weeks at No. 2 on the charts — helped establish Perry as the standard for 1980s arena rock power ballad vocals.

Such success did not help Journey with rock critics, who for the most part had not liked any edition of the band. The 1983 Rolling Stone Record Guide gave all their albums only one star, saying "Journey was a dead end for San Francisco area rock ... utter triviality ... banality ... reek[s] of exploitative cynicism." Fairly or not, critics often lumped Journey together with other one-word-named "corporate rock" bands such as Boston, Foreigner, Asia, Survivor and so forth.

In 1982, the band contributed two tracks ("Only Solutions" and "1990's Theme") to the Disney feature film Tron. Coincidentally, later that year the group became the first rock band to inspire a video game - or, more precisely, two: the Journey arcade by Bally/Midway, and Journey Escape by Data Age for the Atari 2600.

Journey's next album, 1983's Frontiers, continued their commercial success. It reached No. 2 on the album charts and scored four hit singles, with "Faithfully" and "Separate Ways" reaching the highest at Nos. 12 and 8, respectively. Cain's presence was more felt on this album, both in his songwriting (he was the sole writer of "Faithfully") and in the greater use of synthesizers in the sound.

It was now the MTV era, and Journey's popularity was boosted by a documentary-like music video for "Faithfully", which showed various band members and their families on tour and which helped place the song up with Bob Seger's "Turn the Page" and Jackson Browne's "Load Out/Stay" as a life-on-the-road favorite.

"Faithfully" (Check out Perry's Porn Stache:D ) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKorl7Ouht0&feature=related

"Send Her My Love" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUc62lnhhPU

Turmoil

Lead singer Steve Perry received much of the credit for Journey's success. In 1984, he released a solo album, Street Talk, which was successful and scored a very popular song and MTV video with "Oh Sherrie". Much to the dismay of Herbert, who had a falling out with Perry at that time, original member and bassist Valory and drummer Smith were fired from the band. The two were replaced by various studio musicians for the recording of the 1986 album Raised on Radio (originally meant to be called Freedom, but was changed at the insistance of Steve Perry), including future "American Idol" judge Randy Jackson (bass) and Larrie Londin (drums). Smith recorded two tracks with Journey on the album before departing. Both Smith and Valory were paid for any revenues from the album and the subsequent tour.

Production on Raised on Radio was stop-and-go, due to the poor health of Perry's mother, Mary Perry. Overall, the album sold 2 million copies. This is one of the least mentioned records, due to many believing that this was just an extension of Perry's solo career. This did not sit well with Neal Schon, who often clashed with Perry during the production of the record.

A tour followed, which featured Jackson on bass and Mike Baird on drums. Afterward, Perry, exhausted from the constant touring, grieving from the death of his mother, and the collapse of his six-year relationship with Sherrie Swafford, walked away from Journey in 1987, ending the band's ride at the top. Perry, despite working on a solo project in 1989 (titled Against The Wall) that was shelved, left the industry for several years before officially returning in 1994.

"Girl Can't Help It" (With Jackson and Baird) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k0gIKniZGk Listen to the precision of these four part harmonys. Again, unbelievable.

"I'll Be Alright Without You" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q32I7RpoIZk

Schon and Cain left in 1988 to join Cain's ex-Babys bandmate John Waite, forming Bad English, and to record solo albums. Schon then joined his brothers-in-laws' group, Hardline. By 1991, Valory, Smith and Rolie joined The Storm; all the members had moved on with their lives and careers.

Perry also recorded "Don't Fight It" (1982), with Kenny Loggins. He has recorded with other groups since then, and released another solo album in 1994 (For the Love of Strange Medicine) and a solo greatest-hits collection in 1998. Schon has created two albums with Jan Hammer (1981 and 1983, plus a compilation album of the two in the 2000s) and in 1985 was part of the HSAS (Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve) project. He also continues to record solo work.

Attempts to re-form

Compilations and live albums were released while Journey was inactive. Mariah Carey's version of "Open Arms" gained Journey some attention in the mid-1990s (both Smith and Jackson had worked with Carey).

In 1993, Kevin Chalfant of The Storm performed with members of Journey on a few shows, and a reunited Journey was in the works with Chalfant, Schon, Cain, Valory, Smith and Rolie. That lineup did not come to fruition. Perry announced he was rejoining Journey in 1995. For a time, the "Escape" Journey lineup was reunited. Perry, Schon, Smith, Cain, and Valory were back together and making new music. This produced the reunion album Trial by Fire in 1996, which included a hit single, "When You Love a Woman" which was nominated for a Grammy Award.

"When You Love A Woman" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

Following the success of Trial by Fire, the members of Journey prepared for a much-anticipated tour. The media hype and the overall excitement surrounding the band was immense but it all came to a grinding halt when Perry injured his hip while hiking in Hawaii causing the band to postpone the tour. As it turns out, Perry likely needed a hip replacement but he steadfastly refused to make the decision to have the surgery. Recognizing the delicate matter of the situation, the rest of the band members waited patiently for over two years for Perry to make a decision to either have surgery or move on with the tour. In 1998, the band was beginning to get impatient and pressed Perry for a decision about his hip injury. When Perry refused, Cain and Schon reluctantly decided to continue the band without him. Drummer Smith, believing Journey would not survive without Perry, decided to leave the band as well, in favor of a longstanding jazz project on which he'd been working prior to the reconstitution of Journey.



Recent News

On January 21, 2005, Journey received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, where Perry made a surprise appearance at the ceremony. Relations between him and the rest of the group improved, but Perry said there was no chance of rejoining his former band in the foreseeable future. Ten current or former Journey bandmates appeared that day, including Perry and the current line-up, plus Steve Smith, Aynsley Dunbar, George Tickner and Robert Fleischman (Gregg Rolie was unable to attend the induction ceremony due to prior commitments). Two years before, Journey was inducted into the San Francisco Music Hall of Fame, with Rolie, Cain, Smith, Valory, Schon, and Dunbar appearing at that ceremony.

http://www.worldsapartny.com/perry/perry002.jpg

BlondeSoonerGirl
1/26/2007, 01:04 PM
Veddy nice. Good jorb.

Oh, and the Journey vidya game kicked a**.

Sooner Born Sooner Bred
1/26/2007, 01:09 PM
Ah Journey. . .takes me back to the days of the skating rink. You know, couple skating to Open Arms and Faithfully.

Sooner Born Sooner Bred
1/26/2007, 01:09 PM
Oh Steve Perry's sporting a modified mullet. Nice.

yermom
1/26/2007, 01:36 PM
Steeeeve Perry

it's a good thing doleo isn't around :D

KC//CRIMSON
1/26/2007, 01:42 PM
I couldn't include this in the original post, (way too many characters) but this is one of the best "Behind The Music's" ever. Really, really good.:cool:

Behind The Music - Journey

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JruWsRtg064

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMZauTdiY3o

Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Cx6_mSp8g

Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK-KE_l6Vck

Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbm5wwirmOw

Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62DpVKF1-4g

Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZx2KdbGKkA

Part 8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhN-QoCT5M

crawfish
1/26/2007, 01:50 PM
Escape was a fantastic album. They're subsequent stuff was ok, but they never reached that height again.

"Stone in Love" is still one of my favorite songs.

Fugue
1/26/2007, 01:54 PM
Great Thread.

bri
1/26/2007, 01:55 PM
Journey is teh win.

KC//CRIMSON
1/26/2007, 01:56 PM
My personal Fav. The level of musicianship on here is incredible.

http://vinylzart.com/images/AlbumCovers-Journey-Evolution(1979).jpg

BlondeSoonerGirl
1/26/2007, 02:03 PM
Anyone else think Journey would have been a much harder-rockin' band if Steve Perry had never joined them?

Fugue
1/26/2007, 02:06 PM
yes, more Seperate Waysy

KC//CRIMSON
1/26/2007, 02:11 PM
maybe, more Chain Reaction-y.

Viking Kitten
1/26/2007, 02:12 PM
This thread gets five stars and a big **** YEAH! from me.

And yeah, they probably would have rocked harder without Steve Perry, but you know... without Steve Perry Journey, puberty would not have been the same for me.

BlondeSoonerGirl
1/26/2007, 02:12 PM
I think Steve Perry was to Journey what Dennis DeYoung was to Styx...

Dio
1/26/2007, 02:17 PM
maybe, more Chain Reaction-y.

Go see them now that Jeff Scott Soto (from Malmsteen's Rising Force) is their singer. Chain Reaction and Edge of The Blade RMFFO

KC//CRIMSON
1/26/2007, 02:20 PM
Jeff Scott Soto is a bad *ss.:cool:

okiehawk
1/26/2007, 02:39 PM
Great Post brings back alot of memories.The arcade game was
awesome.I remeber back in thier prime they came to Norman
and had 3 sellout shows @ the LNC.

BlondeSoonerGirl
1/26/2007, 02:46 PM
*Snort*...

http://www.ritilan.com/archives/images/blogimages/010704_titlearcade.jpg

NormanPride
1/26/2007, 02:57 PM
Separate Ways = best worst video ever
Oh Sherry (I know, not really Journey) = best most campy video ever

Jeopardude
1/26/2007, 02:59 PM
Meh.


Neal Schon is the second biggest jerk in rock. Second only to Gene Simmons.

tbl
1/26/2007, 03:22 PM
Oh, and the Journey vidya game kicked a**.
Get the Kool-Aid man...

Dio
1/26/2007, 04:33 PM
Meh.


Neal Schon is the second biggest jerk in rock. Second only to Gene Simmons.

Go on...

(And don't think I'm trying to bait you- I like the guy's music, but he did make me sit through an hour of Glass Tiger in December 1986 :mad: )

ousoonerfan
2/5/2007, 10:56 PM
Bump- I'm in drunkytown right now and copying Greatest Hits from Cassette to MP3. I forgot how good some of these songs were.

Only the Young
The Girl Can't Help It
I'll Be Alright Without You
Send Her My Love


P.S. AtM up by 5 over saxet with 9:22 to go.

tommieharris91
2/5/2007, 11:12 PM
Don't stop, believin'...
Hold on to that feelin'...
Street Lights'... People'... (Whoaoaoaoaoooo)

bluedogok
2/5/2007, 11:20 PM
Anyone else think Journey would have been a much harder-rockin' band if Steve Perry had never joined them?
They probably would have been one of the many bands that we never heard of. If you listen to the Journey (1975), Look Into the Future (1976) or Next (1977) albums you can hear their sound pre-Steve Perry.

TopDawg
2/5/2007, 11:27 PM
I've never met anybody that can match me on air drums for Faithfully.

You may be out there, somewhere, but I haven't met you.

picasso
2/5/2007, 11:32 PM
I had a live tape of them in college that I recorded off of the radio, circa '88. Girl Can't Help It was on it, was good stuff.

Widescreen
2/5/2007, 11:54 PM
Escape was a fantastic album. They're subsequent stuff was ok, but they never reached that height again.
Agreed. One of the first cassettes I ever bought with my own money.

BigRedJed
2/6/2007, 12:53 AM
While the addition of Steve Perry was brilliant from a commercial standpoint, it made them teeter on a fine between greatness and schlock. You can almost hear the creative tension. The replacement of Rolie with Johnathan Cain was the tipping point. Bad, bad things happened after Rolie left.

Rolie only (and yes, I have them all, on vinyl) = jazz-fusion weirdness

Rolie + Perry = greatness

Perry + Cain = sappy, sappy, sappy. I'm embarrassed to admit I loved it.
Oh, and it also = the soundtrack of my high school years.

Anything post Perry = who the **** cares?

And BSG, your comparison of Perry to Dennis DeYoung makes sense in that they both were the somewhat sappy, commercially-appealing, beautiful-voiced frontmen in otherwise rocky bands. But Perry was also maybe more like Tommy Shaw, an outsider forced on the band a bit to bring commercial success (DeYoung was a founding member of Styx). The difference is that Perry's addition made Journey a bit more sissified, and Shaw's addition made Styx RYFFO.

william_brasky
2/6/2007, 06:51 AM
here's a nice tribute to the Separate Ways video. lead singer does a really good job.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ghJ-RXe5tRA

Dio
2/6/2007, 08:27 AM
Anything post Perry = who the **** cares?



Dude, I get that, but go see them with Soto if you get the chance. If Schon had booted Perry and stolen Soto from Malmsteen in 85, Bad English never would have happened.

Dio
2/6/2007, 08:28 AM
Or Randy Jackson in spandex <shudder>

Condescending Sooner
2/6/2007, 10:26 AM
I've never met anybody that can match me on air drums for Faithfully.

You may be out there, somewhere, but I haven't met you.

I'll be your huckleberry. If you add steering wheel and dashboard action, I am untouchable.

BigRedJed
2/6/2007, 10:36 AM
Dude, I get that, but go see them with Soto if you get the chance. If Schon had booted Perry and stolen Soto from Malmsteen in 85, Bad English never would have happened.
While I appreciate the advice, and I'm sure he's great, I'll pass. My point was mostly that, while unfogiveably sappy, at least Steve Perry brought some nostalgic appeal to the band. Now that he's gone, they're just sadly irrelevant.

Dio
2/6/2007, 01:14 PM
I can't really argue with that.

sooneron
2/6/2007, 08:47 PM
It should be noted that Schon was good enough to join Carlos at the age of 15!

I saw them play at LNC in 83. Bryan Adams blew them off the stage.
Their early stuff was teh win, but when Separate Ways came out, I knew the quality was diminished and they were in it for the dough. That one song may have pushed me full force into alt. college radio/post punk/ new wave, singlehandedly.

I'm glad they released it.

KC//CRIMSON
2/6/2007, 10:06 PM
Vintage Live Journey - Walks Like A Lady:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuJm1aaVcMo

sooneron
2/6/2007, 10:26 PM
Steve Perry may have had the geekiest stage presence of a front man EVAR>

TopDawg
2/6/2007, 10:27 PM
If you add steering wheel and dashboard action,

Is there any other kind?

SoonerStormchaser
2/7/2007, 09:47 AM
Spek to my favorite group EVAR!

"Escape" is the ultimate road badass song.

KC//CRIMSON
2/7/2007, 09:54 AM
Steve Perry may have had the geekiest stage presence of a front man EVAR>

While that may or may not be true, Steve Perry dropped more London Bridges than all of us combined.

Rook65
2/7/2007, 11:42 AM
I always figured he was homo.

"Stone In Love" is my favorite Journey song.

SoonerStormchaser
2/7/2007, 11:44 AM
"Escape" is defintely their best album.

However, I think that "Raised on Radio" is by far their most underrated album!

Dio
2/7/2007, 01:22 PM
"Escape" is defintely their best album.

However, I think that "Raised on Radio" is by far their most underrated album!

Suzanne? Ugh.

Why do you hate Steve Smith and Ross Valory?

sooneron
2/7/2007, 05:43 PM
Captured pwns esc4p3

SoonerStormchaser
2/7/2007, 08:50 PM
Suzanne? Ugh.

Why do you hate Steve Smith and Ross Valory?


I love "Suzanne."

Saw Journey in Vegas in late 2004...their new drummer (Deen Castronovo, formerly of Bad English) can hit the high notes like only Perry could. When he sang "Suzanne," "Keep On Runnin," and "Mother, Father," I thought either he was lip synching to Steve Perry's original sound, or Steve Perry was standing backstage singing into another mic.

bluedogok
2/8/2007, 10:20 PM
I saw them play at LNC in 83. Bryan Adams blew them off the stage.
Which night? I went to the second nights show, it was funny when Bryan Adams did Take Me Back and I had some people sitting in front of me (they would be the age that I am now) were just shocked by the "words" he used during that song.

sooneron
2/8/2007, 10:28 PM
Which night? I went to the second nights show, it was funny when Bryan Adams did Take Me Back and I had some people sitting in front of me (they would be the age that I am now) were just shocked by the "words" he used during that song.
I think it was the 2nd night. I was 15 or 16 at the time. That was a LOT of "stuff" ago.

BigRedJed
2/9/2007, 02:44 AM
The "second" night at the LNC was actually the first night that went on sale. They sold out in, like, an hour. I was behind the stage. They then put the next night on sale, which sold out again in a day or two. So they added the third night, which actually was scheduled for the night before the original night. There were three consecutive nights at the LNC, with the middle night being for us, the people who stood in line at the very beginning. And yeah, Bryan Adams blew Journey off the stage.

Man, that was weird to type.

BigRedJed
2/9/2007, 02:47 AM
July 20, 1983 (http://www.geocities.com/digital_journey/jrny-tourdates.html). It was teh awesome.

12
2/8/2008, 09:54 AM
BRJ is correct. The second night was initially the first night, making it the ORIGINAL night. Therefore, all of you who missed THAT night can bask in the mullet glory of those of us who stood in line.

I remember watching Brian Adams play to sold-out arena's a few years later thinking, "Yeah, I saw him BEFORE he was famous."

I'm a 39 year old loser. :(

Howzit
2/8/2008, 10:03 AM
While the addition of Steve Perry was brilliant from a commercial standpoint, it made them teeter on a fine between greatness and schlock. You can almost hear the creative tension. The replacement of Rolie with Johnathan Cain was the tipping point. Bad, bad things happened after Rolie left.

Rolie only (and yes, I have them all, on vinyl) = jazz-fusion weirdness

Rolie + Perry = greatness

Perry + Cain = sappy, sappy, sappy. I'm embarrassed to admit I loved it.
Oh, and it also = the soundtrack of my high school years.

Anything post Perry = who the **** cares?

And BSG, your comparison of Perry to Dennis DeYoung makes sense in that they both were the somewhat sappy, commercially-appealing, beautiful-voiced frontmen in otherwise rocky bands. But Perry was also maybe more like Tommy Shaw, an outsider forced on the band a bit to bring commercial success (DeYoung was a founding member of Styx). The difference is that Perry's addition made Journey a bit more sissified, and Shaw's addition made Styx RYFFO.

Ok, 70's music I know about. :D

Jed is dead on. Look Into the Future ('76) and Next ('77) had some very good music, and sounded like a completely different band than the Steve Perry version of Journey.

While I like a lot of their commercial successes because of Neal Schon's playing, the earlier Journey was much deeper, innovative, and had better what I think of as bong context.

Dio
2/8/2008, 01:19 PM
I love "Suzanne."

Saw Journey in Vegas in late 2004...their new drummer (Deen Castronovo, formerly of Bad English) can hit the high notes like only Perry could. When he sang "Suzanne," "Keep On Runnin," and "Mother, Father," I thought either he was lip synching to Steve Perry's original sound, or Steve Perry was standing backstage singing into another mic.

Deen can actually sing. It turns out Steve Augeri was lip-synching to the 2001 Vegas DVD on that tour because his voice was shot.

BigRedJed
2/8/2008, 01:59 PM
...I remember watching Brian Adams play to sold-out arena's a few years later thinking, "Yeah, I saw him BEFORE he was famous."

I'm a 39 year old loser. :(
And I remember leaving that LNC show thinking Adams had stolen the show. After seeing that, everything he did after SERIOUSLY disappointed me.

Nothing to do with music, but do you remember someone throwing a tennis ball up on stage, and then Adams grabbing it and punting it about 50 rows deep? He was so lucky that he didn't whiff it entirely. 'Cause that would have been funny. As it was, his effort was impressive enough for me to remember it 25 years later.

BigRedJed
2/8/2008, 01:59 PM
Damn, I'm a creaker.

william_brasky
2/8/2008, 02:30 PM
anyone remember HSAS? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpw_Hx-ABrM)

KC//CRIMSON
2/8/2008, 02:34 PM
or Jan Hammer and Neal Schon

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KTxByV2kLzc

Sooner_Bob
2/8/2008, 02:57 PM
How did I miss this thread the first time around . . .

sooneron
2/8/2008, 04:04 PM
July 20, 1983 (http://www.geocities.com/digital_journey/jrny-tourdates.html). It was teh awesome.
Hence my being unsure about my age, it was 2 days before my 16th birfday.Spek Jed!

KC//CRIMSON
2/8/2008, 07:27 PM
In case anyone is interested, all of the video links in the original post are now working.

Good grief, somebody out there really doesn't want you watching old Santana and Journey videos.

bluedogok
2/8/2008, 09:30 PM
anyone remember HSAS? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpw_Hx-ABrM)
I have the cassette and CD, it came out when I worked at Sound Warehouse.


July 20, 1983 (http://www.geocities.com/digital_journey/jrny-tourdates.html). It was teh awesome.
That was the show that I went to as well.

http://bluedogok.com/journey-072083.jpg

BigRedJed
2/8/2008, 09:47 PM
I still have that same ticket stub somewhere. Well, not the EXACT same ticket stub, but you get the idea.

BigRedJed
2/8/2008, 09:49 PM
And it was $13.75. "OUTRAGEOUS!! I remember when shows were only eight bucks!!"

bluedogok
2/8/2008, 10:15 PM
I know, I will have a hard time spending $65.00 or $95.00 for Rush tickets tomorrow.