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Okla-homey
1/23/2007, 06:57 AM
Jan 23, 1870: US Soldiers massacre the wrong camp of Indians

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137 years ago today, declaring he did not care whether or not it was the rebellious band of Indians he had been searching for, Colonel Eugene Baker orders his men to attack a sleeping camp of peaceful Blackfeet along the Marias River in northern Montana.

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Baker and his staff at Fort Ellis (1872)

The previous fall, Malcolm Clarke, an influential Montana rancher, had accused a Blackfeet warrior named Owl Child of stealing some of his horses; he punished the man with a brutal whipping.

In retribution, Owl Child and several allies murdered Clarke and his son at their home near Helena, and then fled north to join a band of rebellious Blackfeet under the leadership of Mountain Chief. Outraged and frightened, Montanans demanded that Owl Child and his followers be punished, and the government responded by ordering the forces garrisoned under Eugene Baker at Fort Ellis (near modern-day Bozeman, Montana) to strike back.

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Blackfeet/Piegan girl

Strengthening his cavalry units with two infantry companies from Fort Shaw near Great Falls, Baker led his troops out into sub-zero winter weather and headed north in search of Mountain Chief's band.

Soldiers later reported that Baker drank a great deal throughout the march. On January 22, Baker discovered an Indian village along the Marias River, and, postponing his attack until the following morning, spent the evening drinking heavily.

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Site of the massacre

At daybreak on the morning of January 23, 1870, Baker ordered his men to surround the camp in preparation for attack. As the darkness faded, Baker's scout, Joe Kipp, recognized that the painted designs on the buffalo-skin lodges were those of a peaceful band of Blackfeet led by Heavy Runner.

Mountain Chief and Owl Child, Kipp quickly realized, must have gotten wind of the approaching soldiers and moved their winter camp elsewhere. Kipp rushed to tell Baker that they had the wrong Indians, but Baker reportedly replied, "That makes no difference, one band or another of them; they are all Piegans [Blackfeet] and we will attack them." Baker then ordered a sergeant to shoot Kipp if he tried to warn the sleeping camp of Blackfeet and gave the command to attack.

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Ft Ellis, MT

Baker's soldiers began blindly firing into the village, catching the peaceful Indians utterly unaware and defenseless. By the time the brutal attack was over, Baker and his men had, by the best estimate, murdered 37 men, 90 women, and 50 children. Knocking down lodges with frightened survivors inside, the soldiers set them on fire, burnt some of the Blackfeet alive, and then burned the band's meager supplies of food for the winter.

Baker initially captured about 140 women and children as prisoners to take back to Fort Ellis, but when he discovered many were ill with smallpox, he abandoned them to face the deadly winter without food or shelter.

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Blackfeet hunting party

When word of the Baker Massacre (now known as the Marias Massacre) reached the east, many Americans were outraged. One angry congressman denounced Baker, saying "civilization shudders at horrors like this." Baker's superiors, however, supported his actions, as did the people of Montana, with one journalist calling Baker's critics "namby-pamby, sniffling old maid sentimentalists."

Neither Baker nor his men faced a court martial or any other disciplinary actions. However, the public outrage over the massacre did derail the growing movement to transfer control of Indian affairs from the Department of Interior to the War Department--President Ulysses S. Grant decreed that henceforth all Indian agents would be civilians rather than soldiers.

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TUSooner
1/23/2007, 07:51 AM
Sad story.

I bet Baker would have had a few enthusiastic defenders on the SO. :rolleyes:

Jerk
1/23/2007, 07:57 AM
Did the Confederate soldiers ever treat indians that way?

Sooner_Bob
1/23/2007, 08:36 AM
I can honestly say I don't recall ever hearing about this particular incident. I guess Wounded Knee tends to dominate discussions of this sort of event.

My great-great grandparents made their way across to Oklahoma during the Trail of Tears (that was a really bad situation, but I think this one is almost worse than that).

jk the sooner fan
1/23/2007, 08:38 AM
Did the Confederate soldiers ever treat indians that way?

no, they were too busy at Andersonville....

Xstnlsooner
1/23/2007, 09:01 AM
Interesting, huh! Phil Sheridan wasn't the only a**hole in the
Army at that time!!

OklahomaTuba
1/23/2007, 09:17 AM
This is all Bush's fault.

SoonerStormchaser
1/23/2007, 10:31 AM
I blame the Horsepigs!

tbl
1/23/2007, 10:38 AM
Why is it that the Nazi's get all the bad rap for the holocaust but nobody seems to point out what the Americans did to the Indians as equally despicable? Is it b/c ours was a slow and steady process of killing millions instead of a 4-6 year spree?

jk the sooner fan
1/23/2007, 10:38 AM
I blame the Horsepigs!

they are quickly catching up with W. :)

picasso
1/23/2007, 11:15 AM
Why is it that the Nazi's get all the bad rap for the holocaust but nobody seems to point out what the Americans did to the Indians as equally despicable? Is it b/c ours was a slow and steady process of killing millions instead of a 4-6 year spree?
that's a good point but in reality there wasn't a perfect solution to the Indian problem for the U.S. The treaties started out well but the more people moved west, the more land the government wanted.
there was corruption even for those clans/tribes that submitted and moved onto reservations. they weren't always given what they were promised.

it was also a bit different from the Nazi's in the fact that at least they and the Jews knew each other and communicated on a totally different level.

Crazy Horse was murdered mainly because an interpeter that he trusted purposely lied to those in the Army with whom he was trying to talk with and in turn was lied to about meeting his final demise.

Homey, you shold read up on the Dakota conflict some time. Minnesota history at it's finest.

picasso
1/23/2007, 11:19 AM
I can honestly say I don't recall ever hearing about this particular incident. I guess Wounded Knee tends to dominate discussions of this sort of event.

My great-great grandparents made their way across to Oklahoma during the Trail of Tears (that was a really bad situation, but I think this one is almost worse than that).
most of the tribes in Oklahoma came here under "forced removal." The Trail of Tears is just the most well known event.

BigRedJed
1/23/2007, 11:27 AM
As bad as that was, the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and it's resulting fallout were probably the most barbaric acts ever committed against the Indians. All with a stroke of the pen.

OU4LIFE
1/23/2007, 11:30 AM
I'm of the opinion that had any of those people had a hole-in-one, THAT would be the most well known event.

picasso
1/23/2007, 11:32 AM
I'm of the opinion that had any of those people had a hole-in-one, THAT would be the most well known event.
they'd have cut you head to toe with a dull deer antler.

and your mellon and yerr hole in one plaque would be on some buck warrior's lodge pole.

Vaevictis
1/23/2007, 11:34 AM
Why is it that the Nazi's get all the bad rap for the holocaust but nobody seems to point out what the Americans did to the Indians as equally despicable?

I've heard it said that the victors get to write history.

OU4LIFE
1/23/2007, 12:07 PM
they'd have cut you head to toe with a dull deer antler.

and your mellon and yerr hole in one plaque would be on some buck warrior's lodge pole.

I can think of few better ways to go.

tbl
1/23/2007, 12:39 PM
I've heard it said that the victors get to write history.
You know what... that's actually as good a reason as any. Had the Indians somehow managed to overcome after we had slaughtered millions of them, we'd definitely look like Nazi's now.

Seriously. That's a heck of a point.

picasso
1/23/2007, 12:42 PM
You know what... that's actually as good a reason as any. Had the Indians somehow managed to overcome after we had slaughtered millions of them, we'd definitely look like Nazi's now.

in the eyes of Indian activism you do.:)

FaninAma
1/23/2007, 12:43 PM
Well, since it seems that most of the board can't get enough of Lincoln and his legacy:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo40.html.

I bet it was because we all know that all Indians were pro-slavery. :)

BTW, wasn't Custer working his way up the ranks during the post Civil War period?

tbl
1/23/2007, 12:46 PM
in the eyes of Indian activism you do.:)
By we, I of course meant "us as white people". Like a lot of people on this board I have some Indian ancestry, though if you really consider the way we got our the Indian blood in our veins, it's definitely mixed up with all the horrible things "we" put them through.

Vaevictis
1/23/2007, 01:26 PM
I think it also may have to do with the broad treatment the various Indian tribes tend to get. A lot of Americans view them in the abstract as "the Indians." One group.

And if you look at it that way, given that there were various tribes that also committed some pretty nasty atrocities against settlers, it's easy to say, "Well ****, they did it too, so we're even."

(If you grew up in Oklahoma, you might not understand how this viewpoint comes to pass, but keep in mind that Oklahoma -- being what it is -- tends to have a lot more education about Native American history in the public school system than elsewhere in the country. In other parts of the country, they tend not to mention Native Americans after the Lois & Clark expedition, and even what little treatment Native Americans get is cursory and general -- ie, they don't talk about individual tribes much at all, they tend to very broadly talk about the "Northwestern Tribes", the "Southwestern Desert Tribes", the "Plains Buffalo Hunters", etc.)

Okla-homey
1/23/2007, 02:01 PM
I think it also may have to do with the broad treatment the various Indian tribes tend to get. A lot of Americans view them in the abstract as "the Indians." One group.

And if you look at it that way, given that there were various tribes that also committed some pretty nasty atrocities against settlers, it's easy to say, "Well ****, they did it too, so we're even."

(If you grew up in Oklahoma, you might not understand how this viewpoint comes to pass, but keep in mind that Oklahoma -- being what it is -- tends to have a lot more education about Native American history in the public school system than elsewhere in the country. In other parts of the country, they tend not to mention Native Americans after the Lois & Clark expedition, and even what little treatment Native Americans get is cursory and general -- ie, they don't talk about individual tribes much at all, they tend to very broadly talk about the "Northwestern Tribes", the "Southwestern Desert Tribes", the "Plains Buffalo Hunters", etc.)

was that when Clark Kent and Lois lane trekked to the "Fortress of Solitude" for a little Super Secks?

sorry, couldn't resist!

TUSooner
1/23/2007, 02:02 PM
Lois & Clark expedition.
heh

Homey, yer killin me.

sooneron
1/23/2007, 03:55 PM
Best typo du jour!!!

Vaevictis
1/23/2007, 07:33 PM
was that when Clark Kent and Lois lane trekked to the "Fortress of Solitude" for a little Super Secks?

sorry, couldn't resist!

I'm trying to come up with a witty retort, but man, I've got absolutely nothing.