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Ike
1/11/2007, 02:30 PM
:mad:

So it turns out that the new congress is looking at a CR for the FY2007 budget, essentially freezing everything at FY 2006 levels. This is bad for us, because accounting for inflation, it works out to be something like a 20 million dollar budget cut for the lab...a lab that has been straightjacketed by falling budgets for the last 3 years....at a time that we are trying to get the most out of our accelerator before the LHC turns on and blows us out of the water. (nevermind that the president wants to increase funding for the physical sciences...apparently though he doesn't have the ability to get er done...). This means that unless something is done, the lab is going to have to shut down for a month. essentially giving 4200 people a month long unpaid vacation.

Thankfully the good folks at DOE have noticed that they can at least prevent that by shuffling around their own budget, but unfortunately, moving money around within their budget requires congressional approval :rolleyes:

This year could really suck. Shutting down for a month will essentially tell the world that we really aren't serious about cutting edge science here in the states, and that smart people looking should start looking elsewhere.



anyway, so perhaps y'all can help out. (everyone but SicEm that is...you keep your mouth shut boy!). People here are asking us to write our congresscritters. Asking them to either please, give us a real budget instead of *****footing around, or barring that to at least vote to allow the DOE to jiggle it's own budget around to preserve it's science program. So if you are interested in US science at all, write a simple email to your congresscritters.


For some more reading on this, the NY times ran this story the other day:

The failure of Congress to pass new budgets for the current fiscal year has produced a crisis in science financing that threatens to close major facilities, delay new projects and leave thousands of government scientists out of work, federal and private officials say.

“The consequences for American science will be disastrous,” said Michael S. Lubell, a senior official of the American Physical Society, the world’s largest group of physicists. “The message to young scientists and industry leaders, alike, will be, ‘Look outside the U.S. if you want to succeed.’ ”

Last year, Congress passed just 2 of 11 spending bills — for the military and domestic security — and froze all other federal spending at 2006 levels. Factoring in inflation, the budgets translate into reductions of about 3 percent to 4 percent for most fields of science and engineering.

Representative Rush D. Holt, a New Jersey Democrat and a physicist, said that scientists, in most cases, were likely to see little or no relief. “It’s that bad,” Mr. Holt said. “For this year, it’s going to be belt tightening all around.”

Congressional Democrats said last month that they would not try to finish multiple spending bills left hanging by the departed Republican majority and would instead keep most government agencies operating under their current budgets until next fall. Except for the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security, the government is being financed under a stopgap resolution. It expires Feb. 15, and Democrats said they planned to extend a similar resolution through Sept. 30.

Some Republicans favored not finishing the bills because of automatic savings achieved by forgoing expected spending increases. Democrats and Republicans alike say that operating under current budgets, in some cases with less money, can strap federal agencies and lead to major disruptions in service.

Scientists say that is especially true for the physical sciences, which include physics, chemistry and astronomy. When it comes to federal financing, such fields in recent years have fared poorly compared with biology. The National Institutes of Health, for instance, spend more than $28 billion annually on biomedical programs, five times more than all federal spending for physical sciences.

For 2007, Congress and the Bush administration agreed that the federal budget for the physical sciences should get a major increase. A year ago, in his American Competitiveness Initiative, President Bush called for doubling the money for science over a decade. That prompted schools and federal laboratories to prepare for long-deferred repairs and expansions, plans that appear now to be in jeopardy.

Among the projects at risk is the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York, on Long Island. The $600 million machine — 2.4 miles in circumference — slams together subatomic particles to recreate conditions at the beginning of time, some 14 billion years ago, so scientists can study the Big Bang theory. It was already operating partly on charitable contributions, officials say, and now could shut down entirely, throwing its 1,069 specialists into limbo.

“For us, it’s quite serious,” said Sam Aronson, the Brookhaven director. For the nation, Dr. Aronson added, the timing is especially bad because the collider has given the United States a head start on European rivals, who hope to build a more powerful machine.

“Things are pretty miserable for a year in which people talked a lot about regaining our competitive edge,” Dr. Aronson said. “I think all that’s stalled.”

Another potential victim is the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Illinois, where a four-mile-long collider investigates the building blocks of matter. Its director, Piermaria Oddone, said the laboratory would close for a month as most of the staff of 4,200 are sent home.

Congress and the Bush administration could restore much of the science financing in the 2008 budget. Scientists say it would help enormously, but add that senior staff members by that point may have already abandoned major projects for other jobs that were more stable.

Other projects affected by the budget freeze include:

¶A $1.4 billion particle accelerator at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee meant to probe the fine structure of materials and aid in cutting-edge technologies. Its opening might be delayed a year.

¶A $30 million contribution to a global team designing an experimental reactor to fuse atoms rather than break them apart. Controlled fusion, if successful, would offer a nearly inexhaustible source of energy.

¶A $440 million X-ray machine some two miles long at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center in California that would act like a microscope to peer inside materials, aiding science and industry. Construction, begun last year, would slow.

“It’s pretty bad,” said Burton Richter, a Nobel laureate in physics. “There’s going to be another year of stagnation. That hurts a lot.”

The National Science Foundation, which supports basic research at universities, had expected a $400 million increase over the $5.7 billion budget it received in 2006. Now, the freeze is prompting program cuts, delays and slowdowns.

“It’s rather devastating,” said Jeff Nesbit, the foundation’s head of legislative and public affairs. “While $400 million in the grand scheme of things might seem like decimal dust, it’s hugely important for universities that rely on N.S.F. funding.”

The threatened programs include a $50 million plan to build a supercomputer that universities would use to push back frontiers in science and engineering; a $310 million observatory meant to study the ocean environment from the seabed to the surface; a $62 million contribution to a global program of polar research involving 10 other nations; and a $98 million ship to explore the Arctic, including the thinning of its sheath of floating sea ice.

Missions at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are also threatened, with $100 million in cuts. Paul Hertz, the chief scientist at NASA’s science mission directorate, said potential victims included programs to explore Mars, astrophysics and space weather.

Physicists said a partial solution to the crisis would let the Energy Department do what it wanted to do all along for 2007: move $500 million left over from environmental cleanup accounts into the physical sciences. That would require Congressional approval but no budget increase.

Raymond L. Orbach, the department’s under secretary for science, in a recent statement seemed to call for such legislative relief.

“A yearlong continuing resolution takes away many of the opportunities for advancing science,” Dr. Orbach said. “We urge Congress to continue critical investments in America’s scientific leadership.”


I f'in hate congress.

yermom
1/11/2007, 02:38 PM
well, if you guys were giving them cool weapons like you used to, this wouldn't be a problem

TheHumanAlphabet
1/11/2007, 02:40 PM
I did that once when at the USCG R&DC, when it looked like we would be shut down without a CR. All I got was a stupid form letter response from Chris Dodd and Leiberman regarding working hard for the people and that the CG was important to 'merica... I wouldn't hold my breath.

SicEmBaylor
1/13/2007, 11:27 PM
Out.




(I had to say it, sorry Ike)

SicEmBaylor
1/13/2007, 11:28 PM
Anyway Ike, the 109th purposely punted the budget to the 110th and Democrats to deal with. You'll get your funding back I'm sure as soon as the 110th takes it up.

royalfan5
1/13/2007, 11:39 PM
Is this going to slow down the arrival of cold fusion? That's what I'm really concerned about.

SicEmBaylor
1/13/2007, 11:43 PM
Is this going to slow down the arrival of cold fusion? That's what I'm really concerned about.

Just think, if Oklahoma had gone through this same thing we may not have square peanut butter squares to this very day!

OUinFLA
1/14/2007, 12:03 AM
Is this going to slow down the arrival of cold fusion? That's what I'm really concerned about.

Im more concerned about any rogue protrons or electrons, or whatever Ike's pets are called, running amok without anyone minding the store :eek:

Ike? do I need to wear my aluminum foil cap while you are on vacation?

SicEmBaylor
1/14/2007, 12:55 AM
Im more concerned about any rogue protrons or electrons, or whatever Ike's pets are called, running amok without anyone minding the store :eek:

Ike? do I need to wear my aluminum foil cup while you are on vacation?

Fixed, you gotta have priorities man.

Mjcpr
1/14/2007, 12:59 AM
A billion dollars sounds like a lot more than it is.