Does OUr offensive scheme change next year?

[achiro]

With KW coming in as OC last year we heard a lot about a different offense. Then when ENA took over at QB I heard that they decided to simplify things and not make many big changes. I don't know if that happened or not but it didn't look much different to me overall than it was last season.

So the question is, do we change it up more next season?

[OUmillenium]

No, we will still play vanilla "don't lose the game on offense" playbook. Only failed us 3 times this year and in the last 2 BCS Champ games we were in. I guess that is acceptable for our coaches.

[RedstickSooner]

Uhm.

Since Kevin Wilson specifically said that the offense was tailored to Paul Thompson, and Paul Thompson no longer has eligibility to play at the University of Oklahoma...

Why, yes. I would expect the offense to change a bit.

[RedstickSooner]

No, we will still play vanilla "don't lose the game on offense" playbook. Only failed us 3 times this year and in the last 2 BCS Champ games we were in. I guess that is acceptable for our coaches.

Yeah. We suck because of our offensive co-ordinator. :rolleyes:

[achiro]

Uhm.

Since Kevin Wilson specifically said that the offense was tailored to Paul Thompson, and Paul Thompson no longer has eligibility to play at the University of Oklahoma...

Why, yes. I would expect the offense to change a bit.
Thanks for that incredible(and sarcastic) insight!;)

[LittleWingSooner]

I don't think we change the scheme. I hope we change the playcalling.

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

I don't think we change the scheme. I hope we change the playcalling.

Yeah, we aren't going to change the whole offense. We might add/remove a package or two based on personnel in general and who the starter is at QB. I certainly anticipate the ball being spread around a little more next year and it is very possible that with Murray the RB may be a bigger part of the passing game.

I thought most of the time this year the play calling was very good and more of the problems were with execution.

[soonerspudman]

Offenseive success has much less to do with play calling and much more to do with how the athletes execute. When a QB can't remember or see his receiver sequence it looks like a bad play call. When someone misses a block it looks like a bad play call. When a RB hits the wrong hole it looks like a bad play call. A good OC will run what his players are capeable of because execution matters most. How many times did you see PT (bless him) miss a receiver? How many dropped balls did we have this year? At the same time you've got one of the most prolific running backs in history who gets most of his yards on simple sweeps and between the tackles. KW does just fine as OC, the responsibility is on the players to make it work.

Next year KW will evaluate his personnel and play to their strengths. With a new QB don't look for anything highly sophisticated, lots of AP running and simple progression routes. If the players want to win, they'll find a way to make these plays work.

[JohnnyMack]

KW outsmarted himself from the time between the Big XII Title game until the bowl game. Let's hope he gets dumb again between now and August.

[JohnnyMack]

Next year KW will evaluate his personnel and play to their strengths.

Yeah, like that really cool play where AD lines up in the slot, gets the ball on an end around, can't get his shoulders squared, can't get north/south and loses a bunch of yards! That one was PERFECT for AD's style of running. :rolleyes:

[Collier11]

I couldnt help but be somewhat envious while watching Florida's offense lastnite...they are so fast with their offense that it keeps the D on their toe's all night. Sometimes it isnt about fooling the D but rather just keeping them thinking all the time

[dougsooner]

We should run it right up the middle a bunch of times for 1 yard. That's a great play. Keep running it like 25 times per game. Very creative.... I HOPE that Wilson took some lessons from bsu. Get creative, let the players have some fun and move the ball. We have great athletes, let them play!

[SoonerLB]

It's not the scheme that worries me, it is whether we will have an offensive line that can block, and a quarterback that can throw the ball accurately.

And on that note, what is the deal on Halzle? I have not seen much of any info on him, good or bad. Going in to the season, I thought maybe he might be a factor, but he seems to have gotten lost in the crowd of the side lines.

[Collier11]

I wouldnt worry about our O-line...we return 9 0f 10 on two deep, as far as halzle goes...I havent heard any "inside" info but from what I hear he wont be starting. I could be very wrong, but thats just what ive heard

[Scott D]

This question would be better posed AFTER Adrian Peterson makes his decision public knowledge.

[RedstickSooner]

I couldnt help but be somewhat envious while watching Florida's offense lastnite...they are so fast with their offense that it keeps the D on their toe's all night. Sometimes it isnt about fooling the D but rather just keeping them thinking all the time

This is something I'd really like us to see. Whatever offense we run, I'd like us to use some form of hurry-up so we get more plays run in the $$$ limited amount of time we've got to run 'em. Try to regain some of that conditioning advantage we enjoyed prior to this season.

[OklahomaTuba]

If AD comes back, then Nichol (who I expect will start) gets to learn the pro-style hybrid thing we have been using the last two years.

If AD doesn't come back, perhaps the NW offense?

I would love to see us migrate towards the spread again. Seeing Florida and Boise do it just makes me pine away for those days in 2000.

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

I wouldnt worry about our O-line...we return 9 0f 10 on two deep, as far as halzle goes...I havent heard any "inside" info but from what I hear he wont be starting. I could be very wrong, but thats just what ive heard


IMO the O-line will be THE strongest unit on the team next year, icluding the backs (presuming AD doesn't return) and receivers. In years past we have had depth issues but like Collier11 said we look to be at least 9-10 next year. Barring injuries we should have 2-3 back-ups good enough to start for us most years.

Tying in to what Redstick said, I think there is a good chance that the stupid clock runs on change of possession rule is removed. If they want to speed up the game 1. Remove one commercial (not likely) or 2. Adopt the NFL rule that when a player runs out of bounds the clock starts again when the ball is reset except for the last 5 minutes of a half.

[BASSooner]

The scheme doesn't need to change. If anything needs to change, there should be more plays in the playbook that we need to run. We have offensive weapons everywhere. There is no reason not to use them. The biggest change is the playcalling. Neg me if you want, it had it's bright moments but I thought it was awful.

[OklahomaTuba]

I thought the playcalling was great for what we had to work with, which wasn't our starting QB or starting RB for most of the season.

11 win and a BCS bowl with backups. Not to shabby in my book.

[JohnnyMack]

If we had lost to Boise State and had done so by running the same plays that had gotten us to the Fiesta Bowl in the first place, I'd have no problem with it. Only thing is, we didn't. We got cute and we got burned.

[Spanish Sooner]

i especially like how we utlized boht patrick and peterson in the same formation in the fiesta bowl where we ran the reverse with AD, up the middle with Patrick, or running a play action pass out of it.

You think that might be a preview of what we might see with demarco murray next year

[Collier11]

The scheme doesn't need to change. If anything needs to change, there should be more plays in the playbook that we need to run. We have offensive weapons everywhere. There is no reason not to use them. The biggest change is the playcalling. .



AGREED

[LittleWingSooner]

We can't just try and throw it to the WRs and run it to the RBs in predictable situations. Last year we were very predictable on offense because we never ran out of the spread and never threw to WRs unless there were 3 WRs

[BASSooner]

We can't just try and throw it to the WRs and run it to the RBs in predictable situations. Last year we were very predictable on offense because we never ran out of the spread and never threw to WRs unless there were 3 WRs
we were very predictable this year as well. Just not as bad as 05

[Collier11]

How about this possible line up


Kelly Braxton Robinson Cooper Walker Williams Iglesias
D.Murray M.Johnson
Nichol/Bradford
Patrick

[Collier11]

well, I tried to put it in a formation look but it didnt format it the same so I am sad now

[yermom]

if we don't fumble and throw garbage picks we win the game

i didn't see how getting "cute" with playcalling hurt us

[JohnnyMack]

if we don't fumble and throw garbage picks we win the game

i didn't see how getting "cute" with playcalling hurt us

Maybe because AD had 70 something yards against an undersized BSU defense? I'd like to see a comparitive analysis of how he did when he ran off tackle (OT TD run for instance), versus how he did when he ran that faggy slot play. I bet he had more YPC the old way versus the new way. I think if we lined up and smashed BSU in the mouth we would have worn them down. They limited his carries and then gave him no chance to be successful on that slot misdirection crap. AD isn't effective unless he gets his shoulders squared.

[yermom]

i remember that "faggy" play being run like 3 times and making good yardage at least 2 of them

[JohnnyMack]

i remember that "faggy" play being run like 3 times and making good yardage at least 2 of them

Don't you have a movie to go hold hands with :dolemite: at or something?

[yermom]

i am still kinda behind on my movie watching :O

[Stoop Dawg]

I'm hesitant to bash the playcalling because I'm just not knowledgable enough in that area. However, I did find myself getting frustrated that we continued to do things that weren't working for 4 or 5 drives before we would finally try something else. I think having a "game plan" is probably good, but after 3 "3 and outs" in a row it seems logical to try something else.

And poor execution is the coaches fault too. Either coach the players to be able to execute the plays or call plays that the players can execute.

All-in-all, it was NOT a disappointing year.

[BASSooner]

One of the plays that NEEDS to be taken out of the playbook is AD "run up the middle" because THAT never works and it is the most predictable play that we have.

Also, another change I forgot to mention is KW's attitude and goal for his playcalling. His "play-it-safe" scheme has nearly gotten us beat several times. Why can't he go for creative plays and trickery plays and enforce the offense to make it work? During practice, if the team fails to succeed in these plays, punish them, don't try something new. He just seems like that he is coaching OUr offense just to do his job, not to help us win. His philosophy is to execute, not score points which is every team's goal on offense.

[tulsaoilerfan]

The one thing i would like to see is just call the damn play and get to the line and run it, instead of looking to the sideline to change the play; IMO, that slows down the offense tremendously and it didn't seem to work much this season

[tulsaoilerfan]

One of the plays that NEEDS to be taken out of the playbook is AD "run up the middle" because THAT never works and it is the most predictable play that we have.

Also, another change I forgot to mention is KW's attitude and goal for his playcalling. His "play-it-safe" scheme has nearly gotten us beat several times. Why can't he go for creative plays and trickery plays and enforce the offense to make it work? During practice, if the team fails to succeed in these plays, punish them, don't try something new. He just seems like that he is coaching OUr offense just to do his job, not to help us win. His philosophy is to execute, not score points which is every team's goal on offense.
I don't like his attitude that "We're going to keep running AD because sooner or later, he will break one." How about taking what the defense will give you instead of trying to force the run 2/3 of the time?:pop:

[TXBOOMER]

I hope not. We won't compete for the NC as long as we run the Big 10 offense we're running. OUr D must become dominant before that type of offense is effective. 3 and out defense and pound offense (Big 10 football) is going to be tough to go undefeated with because of the athletes in today's game. We'll see, I hope we get much more aggressive and physical on both sides of the ball next year.

[kevpks]

I think a big key is the development of Gresham and the young WR's. Imagine what this offense could be if Huggins and Tennell developed to go along with our established talent (Kelly, Iglesias, Johnson, etc.). Let's also not forget Murray's potential in the slot. I doubt you will see many quarters go by where we don't pass at all. Oh yeah, we also need a solid QB.

[JohnnyMack]

i am still kinda behind on my movie watching :O

Me too. I wanna go see The Good Shepherd.

[goingoneight]

The I formation beef everyone has with OU has nothing to do with KW. It had nothing to do with Chuck, either guys. The coordinators are up in the box reading defensive schemes/ DC's read offensive schemes to the best of their ability.

The I-formation beef is running it right up into a pile of DL, right? That will change next year when we don't have AD breaking off three to four per carry. As good as Allen Patrick has been, he has admitted that taking on the role of AD is dangerous and breath-taking to say the least. Chris Brown did okay in the I, but he looks like he might end up being a star WR if they get him in the passing game. He has great open-field skills.

The answer to your question... when does the offense change? Just like it has all along, whenever plan A isnt working. Whenever the defense shuts your running attack down. Remember when Chris Brown almost got tackled for a safety in the EZ at the B12 Championship? How many times did KW call a running play after that, eh? Not once.

KW ran a very entertaining spread offense at NW, and I believe he did a fine job of improvisational offensive play in 2006. Tell me anyone in the country who could have gone undefeated with a WR playing QB, and losing a once-a-generation star RB, along with several other injuries and issues.

The Fiesta offense looked dull because of the absence of Malcom Kelly. Any one of those deep balls to Quentin Chaney would have been complete, had Kelly been in there. No offense to QC, Kelly just fights for the ball better and had better hand-eye coordination.

Honestly, I think what needs to be asked is will OUr defense be able to dominate from day one next season? If Brent Venables is the guy, and he's not in the box reading the offense, he can't really do much more than pull his hair out when we fall for another trick play or something as simple as a play-action pass.

My opinion, OU 2006 had the offense to win, lacked the fire on defense in the end of things to get-r-done. A little creativity never hurts on offense, though. I just don't suggest trying to explain the wishbone or any other dinosaur to these kids who have grown up on NFL-style offenses.

If the defense dominates early, and I mean DOMINATES... OU will get the ball plenty of times with good field position, for the young guns on offense to get settled in. The D can't miss tackles and get burnt constantly in 2007, if they do, we could get blown out or even shut out (shut outs are only likely in total offensive meltdown mode). And that would be teh succc.

[yermom]

Me too. I wanna go see The Good Shepherd.

it's good.

i still need to see Casino Royale and We Are Marshall

[yermom]

The I formation beef everyone has with OU has nothing to do with KW. It had nothing to do with Chuck, either guys. The coordinators are up in the box reading defensive schemes/ DC's read offensive schemes to the best of their ability.

The I-formation beef is running it right up into a pile of DL, right? That will change next year when we don't have AD breaking off three to four per carry. As good as Allen Patrick has been, he has admitted that taking on the role of AD is dangerous and breath-taking to say the least. Chris Brown did okay in the I, but he looks like he might end up being a star WR if they get him in the passing game. He has great open-field skills.

The answer to your question... when does the offense change? Just like it has all along, whenever plan A isnt working. Whenever the defense shuts your running attack down. Remember when Chris Brown almost got tackled for a safety in the EZ at the B12 Championship? How many times did KW call a running play after that, eh? Not once.

KW ran a very entertaining spread offense at NW, and I believe he did a fine job of improvisational offensive play in 2006. Tell me anyone in the country who could have gone undefeated with a WR playing QB, and losing a once-a-generation star RB, along with several other injuries and issues.

The Fiesta offense looked dull because of the absence of Malcom Kelly. Any one of those deep balls to Quentin Chaney would have been complete, had Kelly been in there. No offense to QC, Kelly just fights for the ball better and had better hand-eye coordination.

Honestly, I think what needs to be asked is will OUr defense be able to dominate from day one next season? If Brent Venables is the guy, and he's not in the box reading the offense, he can't really do much more than pull his hair out when we fall for another trick play or something as simple as a play-action pass.

My opinion, OU 2006 had the offense to win, lacked the fire on defense in the end of things to get-r-done. A little creativity never hurts on offense, though. I just don't suggest trying to explain the wishbone or any other dinosaur to these kids who have grown up on NFL-style offenses.

If the defense dominates early, and I mean DOMINATES... OU will get the ball plenty of times with good field position, for the young guns on offense to get settled in. The D can't miss tackles and get burnt constantly in 2007, if they do, we could get blown out or even shut out (shut outs are only likely in total offensive meltdown mode). And that would be teh succc.

i forgot about Kelly not being in the game... that was a very big loss :(

not as bad as tOSU losing Ginn, but bad, it certainly changes the tone for the offense. that's a physical mismatch in 1 on 1 coverage we never really got to exploit

[Egeo]

so, what team do all of you know it all's coach?

[SoonerGirl06]

I don't think we change the scheme. I hope we change the playcalling.


AMEN! I was simply amazed at the poor play calling in the Bowl game. What in the world was Kevin thinking? His inability to call the right plays at the right time hurt us tremendously. He was definitely out of sync all night long which surprised me because he seemed to be on a roll in the games leading up to New Year's Day.