*THE OFFICIAL* Is Saddam Swinging Yet Thread [Archive]

Desert Sapper

12/29/2006, 01:55 PM

As of 5 minutes ago:

Article (http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061229/NEWS01/612290355/1001/news)

Saddam's execution will be held by Saturday at the latest

Midday update

By LAUREN FRAYER
Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein will be executed no later than Saturday, said an Iraqi judge authorized to attend his hanging. The former dictator's lawyers said he had been transferred from U.S. custody, but an Iraqi official said he was still in the hands of American guards.

The physical transfer of Saddam to Iraqi authorities was believed to be one of the last steps before he was to be hanged, although the lawyers' statement did not specifically say Saddam was in Iraqi hands.

"A few minutes ago we received correspondence from the Americans saying that President Saddam Hussein is no longer under the control of U.S. forces," according to the statement faxed to The Associated Press.

Buh-bye, now, buh-bye, yeah, uh huh, buh-bye.

TexasLidig8r

12/29/2006, 02:25 PM

Saddam's farewell song??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foEHg-9sgvQ

Petro-Sooner

12/29/2006, 04:26 PM

Does the Iraq government act similar to the US when it comes to appeals concerning guilty charges? The reason I ask is that is took forever to kill McVey but they are short and sweet when it comes to Saddam. I think if its 100% without a doubt stringem up and get it over with.

Scott D

12/29/2006, 04:35 PM

he had his appeal, his appeal was denied, execution of the sentence was to commence within 30 days.

Harry Beanbag

12/29/2006, 05:20 PM

Over/under on the video showing up on You Tube?

It'll be on Ogrish for sure.

royalfan5

12/29/2006, 05:27 PM

The Gas Chamber would have been more appropriate imo.

picasso

12/29/2006, 05:35 PM

The death by mustache removal would have been more appropriate imo.

agreed.

Rogue

12/29/2006, 06:21 PM

He's being turned over to his victims. Same should be done with sex offenders, IMO. And I'm technically against state-sponsored capital punishment. Just not against vigilante justice, per se. :D

85Sooner

12/29/2006, 06:32 PM

The US should learn from this. Quick execution. Not waiting 15 years.

BudSooner

12/29/2006, 06:46 PM

No official details have been made public about when the death sentence will be carried out.

But several reports quoted senior Iraqi officials as saying the execution would take place at 0600 local time (0300 GMT).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6218245.stm

Somewhere John Anderson is playing on a jukebox..."just a swingin....."

SicEmBaylor

12/29/2006, 06:54 PM

So Drudge is reporting kickoff is between 8:30-9:30 pm our time.

SoonerJason

12/29/2006, 07:00 PM

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9116/saddamavatarpj5.gif

Jerk

12/29/2006, 08:22 PM

What would be great is if our court system granted Saddam's lawyers petition for delay of execution...and the Iraqi's are like, "ok, whatever", and they ignore it and hang him soon afterwards. Our judges would be clinching their fist, screaming "but!!! but!!! We ordered you not to....!!" Guess who isn't GOD over Earth, arrogant bast*rds.

Jerk

12/29/2006, 08:24 PM

Why does Amnesty International, a Communist front-group, give a rats arse about this?

hookem31

12/29/2006, 08:37 PM

The best thing about this whole deal, is that there was a kind of 'lottery' held, to determine who will be his hangman. Gotta love it.

Jerk

12/29/2006, 08:43 PM

hookem...one of my fav scenes of all time is from that character in your avator. When the tank is broke down, and the guys are working on it, save that hippie tank commander, who is sitting in a lawn chair drinking wine. Clint says "what are you doing?" Hippie says, "hey, man, I don't know how they work, I just drive them!"

Classic. I am a truck driver and I use that line on my mechanics every chance I get.

StoopTroup

12/29/2006, 08:47 PM

That's from "Kelly's Heroes" and the Hippie is Donald Sutherland.

One of my favorite old films.

Burning Bridges was a great song too.

How they got Eastwood to do that one is beyond me.

Jerk

12/29/2006, 09:07 PM

oh snap, our court system denied his appeal.

hookem31

12/29/2006, 09:13 PM

picasso

12/29/2006, 09:58 PM

That's from "Kelly's Heroes" and the Hippie is Donald Sutherland.

One of my favorite old films.

Burning Bridges was a great song too.

How they got Eastwood to do that one is beyond me.
but isn't it funny how a hippie was cool and talkin groovy before umm groovy hippie times?:D I love those circa 70's war flicks where the dudes are sporting the hairdo of the times complete with chick gettin sideburns.

just saw on the tellie Iraqi Americans are celebrating in the streets of Michigan.

bigdsooner

12/29/2006, 10:00 PM

just minutes away

BudSooner

12/29/2006, 10:00 PM

He has reached the execution site, and it's supposed to be carried out any minute. per Fox News.

soonersis

12/29/2006, 10:06 PM

ding dong the wicked witch is dead! per cnn

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:09 PM

http://www.driko.org/blogicons/southpark_410_saddam_satan.gif

bigdsooner

12/29/2006, 10:09 PM

bye bye fukker...per fox news

bigdsooner

12/29/2006, 10:11 PM

http://www.driko.org/blogicons/southpark_410_saddam_satan.gif

:D

Rhino

12/29/2006, 10:12 PM

This is a weird feeling.

It's crazy thinking that he's actually been hanged and it's amazing to see a justice system that moves so swiftly after a sentence has been handed down.

The world is a better place without him in it, but man...it's just a weird feeling.

SoonerDood

12/29/2006, 10:12 PM

I'm not sorry. This is why it's good to have the death penalty.

Jerk

12/29/2006, 10:12 PM

Did they use a short rope or a long rope?

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:13 PM

Jerk

12/29/2006, 10:14 PM

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:15 PM

MSNBC is reporting his final meal was a Sonic Brown Bag Special. with onion rings and a slush.

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:16 PM

Did they use a short rope or a long rope?
long rope will make it quick.

Jerk

12/29/2006, 10:16 PM

MSNBC is reporting his final meal was a Sonic Brown Bag Special. with onion rings and a slush.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

VeeJay

12/29/2006, 10:17 PM

Dan Rather must be curled up in the fetal position right about now.

Rhino

12/29/2006, 10:17 PM

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1421/rckickssaddamzv8.jpg

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:18 PM

you think they killed his mustache first?

Veritas

12/29/2006, 10:20 PM

Is the commie CBSABCNNBC cabal reporting his death as a great loss to humanity yet? Or will they wait until tomorrow?

KABOOKIE

12/29/2006, 10:21 PM

I am Saddam Hussein and I am willing to negotiate.

Rhino

12/29/2006, 10:26 PM

CNN, you snarky bastards.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/103/happinessan3.jpg

SicEmBaylor

12/29/2006, 10:32 PM

HUZZAH!
Good riddance to the son of a bitch.

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:42 PM

"is you or is you ain't being my constitchenccccy!!!!"

p.s. spelled wrong on perrpose.

StoopTroup

12/29/2006, 10:43 PM

[Whornfan]See Ya in Hell Saddam![/hookem]

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:45 PM

[Whornfan]See Ya in Hell Saddam![/hookem]
you spelled geneous wrong.

SicEmBaylor

12/29/2006, 10:48 PM

It was filmed.
I can't wait to buy the director's cut on DVD.

Throw in Mussolini's lynching on the bonus features.

Widescreen

12/29/2006, 10:50 PM

MSNBC is reporting his final meal was a Sonic Brown Bag Special. with onion rings and a slush.
And they got his order wrong. :mad:

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:51 PM

It was filmed.
I can't wait to buy the director's cut on DVD.

Throw in Mussolini's lynching on the bonus features.
actually I'll pass on seeing that. and his huzzie too.

SicEmBaylor

12/29/2006, 10:57 PM

actually I'll pass on seeing that. and his huzzie too.
You've never seen it? Been around for awhile.

picasso

12/29/2006, 10:57 PM

weird stuff, MSNCNNandN is reporting that his last musical request was "Me and Mrs. Jones."

groovy.

SicEmBaylor

12/29/2006, 10:59 PM

weird stuff, MSNCNNandN is reporting that his last musical request was "Dang Me" by Roger Jones.

groovy.

That rawks!

VeeJay

12/29/2006, 10:59 PM

Didn't he have a thang for Whitney Houston?

Wonder if he ever tapped that?

SicEmBaylor

12/29/2006, 11:00 PM

Didn't he have a thang for Whitney Houston?

Wonder if he ever tapped that?

No, that was Osama that had a thing for Whitney Houston
(no joke)

BudSooner

12/29/2006, 11:02 PM

It was filmed.
I can't wait to buy the director's cut on DVD.

Just checked with a few retailers, and it turns out you can get a copy-free with a case of Zima....it's available at Wal Mart. :norm:

picasso

12/29/2006, 11:02 PM

that's right, Saddam had a thing for Leo Sayer.

VeeJay

12/29/2006, 11:07 PM

Sorry, man - I get my terror masterminds confused.

But, I am sure, that if offered, Saddam wouldn't have turned down that boo-tay.

Too late now.

Soonerpsycho

12/29/2006, 11:09 PM

http://www.thamike.com/fn_images/satan_saddam.jpg

VeeJay

12/29/2006, 11:15 PM

The whole 72 virgins thing - did Saddam ever buy into that?

There were stories of his use of Viagra, from his mistress. I'm just not sure he can pop 'em fast enough to keep up with 72 horny broads.

OUAndy1807

12/29/2006, 11:19 PM

thanks for the memories, Saddam (from CNN)
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/12/29/hussein/newT1.obit.saddam.hussein.jpg

picasso

12/29/2006, 11:22 PM

from spider hole to hell hole.

josh09

12/29/2006, 11:27 PM

FINALLY

josh09

12/29/2006, 11:31 PM

http://www.driko.org/blogicons/southpark_410_saddam_satan.gif

Man, that would be the most ironic thing EVER if they both turned out gay.

josh09

12/29/2006, 11:33 PM

Uh oh, theyre gonna air the pics and videos from the execution.

This should be good.....:rolleyes:

proud gonzo

12/29/2006, 11:42 PM

Uh oh, theyre gonna air the pics and videos from the execution.

This should be good.....:rolleyes:where did they announce THAT? :confused:

josh09

12/29/2006, 11:46 PM

Fox news and CNN, they said when they recieve them, they will look over them and air what parts are appropriate with alot of warnings.

proud gonzo

12/29/2006, 11:48 PM

oh great

SicEmBaylor

12/29/2006, 11:59 PM

I'm staying up until they release it. Got a friend of mine who went out and bought a bottle of champagne for the occasion when he heard it'd be tonight.

picasso

12/30/2006, 12:02 AM

umm they have to air the execution in order for the dingbats in Iraq to actually believe he's dead.
you know those poor people are still probably afraid to fart in public.

proud gonzo

12/30/2006, 12:08 AM

yeah, but that doesn't mean they would air it here.

...though if they don't, i'm sure there will be people HERE who don't believe it either. Hell, even if they air it, people will probably think it's a hoax. like the moonlanding. :rolleyes:

1stTimeCaller

12/30/2006, 12:10 AM

probably being filmed on the same soundstage in Hollywood.

jk the sooner fan

12/30/2006, 12:13 AM

they showed pics of his dead sons in the morgue....all over the MSM outlets

picasso

12/30/2006, 12:15 AM

probably being filmed on the same soundstage in Hollywood.
same place they filmed the landing on the moon?

"I'm parked over by the commissary."

OklahomaTuba

12/30/2006, 01:38 AM

This is all Bush's fault!

OklahomaTuba

12/30/2006, 01:41 AM

Seems the liberals have their panties in a wad over this...

he Execution of Saddam Hussien is a War Crime
by NicolausCopernicus
Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 08:52:22 PM PST

The administration will, in due course, stand to account for a war crime committed in Iraq by executing the Iraqi dictator.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/12/29/224449/62

SicEmBaylor

12/30/2006, 01:45 AM

Is that of the execution? It's still, "loading" which means there's probably something like 70% of the world's population trying to log on.

Do you have an alternate site?

OklahomaTuba

12/30/2006, 01:55 AM

Is that of the execution? It's still, "loading" which means there's probably something like 70% of the world's population trying to log on.

Do you have an alternate site?
I think they changed it or something, cause when i loaded it again, it wasn't the same video.

SicEmBaylor

12/30/2006, 01:58 AM

I think they changed it or something, cause when i loaded it again, it wasn't the same video.

Well, how was it?

OklahomaTuba

12/30/2006, 02:06 AM

Just saw a quick snippet of a gallow thing on the video. Didn't see him swinging on it or anything.

ouwasp

12/30/2006, 02:28 AM

Fox news and CNN, they said when they recieve them, they will look over them and air what parts are appropriate with alot of warnings.

That weenie Cooper Anderson was just gushing about how tasteful CNN would be in airing execution images, almost whining about how many warning emails they'd gotten on how CNN needed to be careful...:mad:

YET....at the same time Cooper was being sorrowful for just possibly offending someone, CNN was showing...SCORES OF KURDS THAT HAD BEEN NERVE-GASSED :confused:

CNN = dumb box of rocks/Arab Street

Scott D

12/30/2006, 02:34 AM

Just saw a quick snippet of a gallow thing on the video. Didn't see him swinging on it or anything.

swinging would be overly dramtic. When a hanging is done right, the lever is pulled, the trap drops, and the snapping of the neck should be almost instant. IF anything it'd be a body hanging with it's bowels letting loose.

hurricane'bone

12/30/2006, 03:14 AM

:pop:

william favor

12/30/2006, 03:16 AM

Stupid MSM media outlets are reporting the real story of how this means that the GWOT is entering the home stretch. Rush told me today that if I pop some more pain pills that the rash will go away.

OklahomaTuba

12/30/2006, 03:37 AM

Somewhere, Jimmuh and John F Kerry are off shedding a tear together.

SicEmBaylor

12/30/2006, 04:20 AM

http://www.drudgereport.com/hang.jpg

Rogue

12/30/2006, 06:02 AM

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/cjrogue/br-60154.jpg

LoyalFan

12/30/2006, 06:48 AM

swinging would be overly dramtic. When a hanging is done right, the lever is pulled, the trap drops, and the snapping of the neck should be almost instant. IF anything it'd be a body hanging with it's bowels letting loose.

Then there are documented cases of "Angel Lust", wherein a certain item of anatomy, peculiar to the male of the humanoid species, becomes turgid, swollen, abloom, rigid, woodiefied, erect, all pointy, etc, when the chap is executed by hanging. Perhaps in post-mortem defiance, said appendage often remains in such a state, 'tis alleged, thereby causing some degree of difficulty for those charged with closing the casket lid.
True, every word...check it out at your leisure.
Also, male *Zebras often display a similar trait, sometimes accompanied by involuntary spuzzing, when shot.
A little tasteful info...

LF

*Zebra: A Cavalry horse who has achieved the rank of Master Sergeant.

Rocker

12/30/2006, 07:29 AM

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/cjrogue/br-60154.jpg

He has swung & good riddance.

SoonerBorn68

12/30/2006, 07:50 AM

Ding dong the witch is dead...

TripleOption14

12/30/2006, 10:14 AM

Great. So will dumbass GW finally be satisified and get our troops the FVCK out of Iraq!?!?!

fadada1

12/30/2006, 10:29 AM

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/cjrogue/br-60154.jpg
i love all the "pomp and circumstance" the execusions are displaying. what a riot. these guys got their carhart and leather jackets on, just like any other day at the gallows.

think of the drama we would have here. everyone would be in uniforms with precision movements. just hang the guy already... who cares if you showered for the occasion.

sanantoniosooner

12/30/2006, 10:36 AM

The spouse of one of our very own posters knitted the mask for the guy on the right.

Widescreen

12/30/2006, 10:45 AM

Great. So will dumbass GW finally be satisified and get our troops the FVCK out of Iraq!?!?!
Because that worked really well for the Vietnamese when we bailed on them. How many hundreds of thousands of them were slaughtered by the Viet Cong? We're looking at a repeat in Iraq if we just pack up and leave.

Here's what will happen if we leave right now (giving the Democrats what they want, BTW). The Shiites start taking retribution on the Sunnis on a widescale basis. This causes Iran, Syria and Saudi to get involved. Now we're looking at a massive war in the entire region. Regardless of what anyone thinks about going to Iraq in the first place, our young men and women who have been killed over there already will have died in vain if we allow that to happen. Raise your hand if you want to go explain that to these kids' families. Like it or not, our only choice is to keep trying to stabilize Iraq and deal with the insurgency the way it should've been dealt with all along. We've been running around Iraq with targets on our back for too long. We need to start kicking a$$ and stop worrying about the international community opinion to bring this thing to a close. This has been handled too much like Vietnam where we fought with one arm tied behind our back for political reasons. We could've been out of there already had we just taken care of business.

okienole3

12/30/2006, 11:57 AM

Anyone know the last thing that went through Saddam's mind?

......his Adam's apple.

SoonerRedHead

12/30/2006, 12:19 PM

Somewhere, Jimmuh and John F Kerry are off shedding a tear together.

Dangit, that was what I was going to say for my first post! Let me add to that 'distguished' list: Jesse Blackmailer Jackson, who wanted a reprieve for Sadam. Probably Jesse thought SH still had access to some of his ill gotten gains & Jesse could get some of the loot if he had helped save Sadams neck.

Sadam's last words: "Oth sthith!"

VeeJay

12/30/2006, 12:39 PM

I dunno. Jesse doesn't seem to have much use for folks unless large sums of money can be extorted from them.

Saddam didn't play along with that.

OCUDad

12/30/2006, 12:47 PM

When do the "this was all staged and he's not really dead" rumors begin? :rolleyes:

OklahomaTuba

12/30/2006, 01:51 PM

Probably about the same time the "war for oil", "Bush lied", and "9-11 was a government plot" rumors begin.

And probably from many of the same people.

SoonerRedHead

12/30/2006, 02:11 PM

Probably about the same time the "war for oil", "Bush lied", and "9-11 was a government plot" rumors begin.

And probably from many of the same people.

Forever always heard them regarding Hitler. Mein Kompf hisself. He is supposed to be in the same place Elvis, JFK, etc are.

GrapevineSooner

12/30/2006, 03:03 PM

These Kossacks are too busy ranting about fundamentally unfair his trial was to start a conspiracy theory like this.

sitzpinkler

12/30/2006, 04:55 PM

Somewhere, Jimmuh and John F Kerry are off shedding a tear together.

:rolleyes:

Collier11

12/30/2006, 05:36 PM

:rolleyes:

Quick...contest, biggest fake azz tool and/or hipocrit, who wins John Kerry or Teddy? GO!!:D

Tiptonsooner

12/30/2006, 05:48 PM

Quick...contest, biggest fake azz tool and/or hipocrit, who wins John Kerry or Teddy? GO!!:D

We all lose with those two idiots.

jk the sooner fan

12/30/2006, 05:54 PM

i've investigated a number of suicidal hangings....none of the bodies were ever sporting wood......not sure where that myth came from

perhaps you were thinking of an autoerotic asphyxiation?

Rogue

12/30/2006, 06:26 PM

Because that worked really well for the Vietnamese when we bailed on them. How many hundreds of thousands of them were slaughtered by the Viet Cong? We're looking at a repeat in Iraq if we just pack up and leave. Except that we weren't looking for WMD, retaliating for an attempted assasination on Dad, and when we went there it was already a civil war.

Here's what will happen if we leave right now (giving the Democrats what they want, BTW). The Shiites start taking retribution on the Sunnis on a widescale basis. This causes Iran, Syria and Saudi to get involved. Now we're looking at a massive war in the entire region. Regardless of what anyone thinks about going to Iraq in the first place, our young men and women who have been killed over there already will have died in vain if we allow that to happen. Raise your hand if you want to go explain that to these kids' families.
Raise your hand if you can explain why they died in the first place?
I'm not sure that Syria, Iran, and Saudi involvement would be a step backwards. They could use it as common ground and I think all but maybe Syria would readily agree to the benefit of relative stability in their region.

Like it or not, our only choice is to keep trying to stabilize Iraq and deal with the insurgency the way it should've been dealt with all along. We've been running around Iraq with targets on our back for too long. We need to start kicking a$$ and stop worrying about the international community opinion to bring this thing to a close. This has been handled too much like Vietnam where we fought with one arm tied behind our back for political reasons. We could've been out of there already had we just taken care of business.

We have the military trying to serve as diplomats with some crazy *** rules of engagement. The rules that keep 'em alive keep getting them in trouble, and it has been turning increasingly into a politically run military action which has undermined any military objectives.

Quick: What is the military mission in Iraq? I think we are in a ****ty position either way here because you are right, the place is going to look like a 3rd world country if/when we ever leave and we'll be blamed. If I've seen anything over the past few decades it is that the Saudis get what the Saudis want.

Most of our military doesn't work very well as a police force or against geurillas, never has. We are good at blowing **** up, killing people, and overwhelming military forces. Special ops have had some success vs. geurillas but policing a region just isn't our expertise.

I'm glad Saddam's gone. In retrospect I'm not sure it's been worth it.

jk the sooner fan

12/30/2006, 06:29 PM

i had a thought this morning.....i've read/heard alot of folks say that they agreed with the invasion of afghanistan.....but not so much iraq......ok, so just a hypothetical here....if we never invaded iraq, but all of the insurgents from the region went to afghanistan and we had the same US body count that we currently have in iraq....

what would the political fall out be? i'm not sure i know the answer, but my gut tells me it wouldnt be much different than it is now

jk the sooner fan

12/30/2006, 06:31 PM

Quick: What is the military mission in Iraq?

i dont know the official answer, but my guess would be 1. nation building 2. security for the new government

StoopTroup

12/30/2006, 06:33 PM

Saddam was a swinger to the very end.

Rogue

12/30/2006, 06:37 PM

I'm one of those JK. The US body count is a big deal, but it is the consequence of the decisions that I disagreed with. Meaning that I disagree with the decision to invade Iraq because I'm way beyond skeptical that it had anything to do with the War On Terror. I still hope we are kicking some serious terrorist butt and continue to do that. Where the terrorists are. I am all for defending the US and our Allies against future terrorist attacks, but I haven't seen anything to convince me that we are safer now because of our involvement in Iraq. In fact, I think we have rallied opposition to US interests between what has happened there and our arrogant approach to diplomacy. If we were clearly defending our country and the int'l community balked then I say fukkem. In this case we are, and have been, on very shakily justifiable ground and thumb our nose at all who have the audacity to point it out or disagree.

So, although your question is hypothetical I'd like to think that I would be much more positive about our military out there chasing down and killing terrorists than I am about us doing whatever in the **** we are doing in Iraq.

Rogue

12/30/2006, 06:39 PM

Not to sound too crass about the "body count" but I think I'd be just as ****ed off if it were half what it is right now.

jk the sooner fan

12/30/2006, 06:49 PM

So, although your question is hypothetical I'd like to think that I would be much more positive about our military out there chasing down and killing terrorists

there are alot of soldiers over there who think thats exactly what they're doing

Rogue

12/30/2006, 06:57 PM

Oh I know and there are alot that feel good about building infrastructure, schools, roads, etc. as well they should. The truth of the matter is that we are largely fixing what we broke, bombed, and shot up a few years ago. I guess it's just hard to look at any current justification for being in Iraq (aside from the "you broke it you bought it rule") that couldn't be applied more strongly in about 25 other places in the world.

There are also about 25% of them that are already reporting serious psychological problems too and these are the ones I get to see more of in the mental health clinic.

orangekaje

12/30/2006, 07:05 PM

Surprised this isn't posted yet:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521

Recording of the hanging from a camera phone.

Rogue

12/30/2006, 07:11 PM

It looks like they hung him in someones garage that was 20' tall with a 50' rope!

Collier11

12/30/2006, 07:19 PM

Except that we weren't looking for WMD

If you truly think that Saddam didnt have WMD's you have your head in the sand. We found chemical weapons labs, we found chemical weapons, and the only reason we didnt find "LARGE" caches of weapons which I guess is what everyone wants to see is because they were moved to Iran or Syria. Saddam had WMD's and you can say well, we had him contained or he wasnt a threat to us, but a crazy person like that will flip and use them at any time, thats why it was important to get them out of his hands, unfortunately other bad people have them now and we have to do something about it.

Another thing, im not saying you said this, but anyone who thinks we are wrong for removing him, im not sure how you can sleep saying that. This guy single handedly ordered and carried out the brutal murders, rapings, and torturing of MILLIONS of people.

Collier11

12/30/2006, 07:21 PM

I wish we coulda had AL there to sign off..."hey Saddam, C-YA!!!!"

Rogue

12/30/2006, 07:30 PM

Collier, I don't disagree with your second paragraph about why the world is a better place without Saddam. But that was sort of an after-the-fact asterisk according to the US administration in terms of why we went to Iraq. If we are in the business of tracking down every brutal murderin' dictator in the world we should say so. But we aren't in that business and we don't say so. What our administration did say was that Iraq posed a significant threat because of their WMDs, and made several references linking Iraq to 9/11. Neither case has been proven to me so I guess either I have my head in the sand or you are ready to swallow whatever the administration feeds you.

BTW, I think WMDs are actually pretty common, we've just not invaded countries for having them before. In this case, if he had much it would be clear to everyone and we'd see pictures of W standing in front of a freakin' banner on a Navy ship that reads "I told you so."

Rewind to 2002. Who should our primary target be - Saddam or Osama?

Widescreen

12/30/2006, 07:48 PM

Raise your hand if you can explain why they died in the first place?
Regime change, trying to create a stable democracy in the middle of Arab totalitarianism, finding and eliminating WMD's before they fell into the hands of terrorists. All these are noble efforts. Unfortunately, our intelligence (and the intelligence of much of the world) was badly flawed on the WMDs or we failed to get them before they were moved elsewhere. And, while the war itself was handled extremely well (I vividly remember all the naysayers screaming that we couldn't defeat Saddam's army with such a small force), the aftermath has been badly mismanaged and for that I blame Bush and Rumsfeld.

I'm not sure that Syria, Iran, and Saudi involvement would be a step backwards. They could use it as common ground and I think all but maybe Syria would readily agree to the benefit of relative stability in their region.
The thought of any of those countries taking effective control of Iraq - particularly with its oil reserves - scares the poop out of me.

Scott D

12/30/2006, 09:26 PM

The thought of any of those countries taking effective control of Iraq - particularly with its oil reserves - scares the poop out of me.

Within 3 years of either a draw down or force removal, it'll be part of Iran.

1stTimeCaller

12/31/2006, 05:13 AM

you think the Arabs will go for that?

1stTimeCaller

12/31/2006, 05:56 AM

someone should put this Johnny Cash song to the video.

Well they're building a gallows outside my cell I've got 25 minutes to go
And the whole town's waitin' just to hear me yell I've got 24 minutes to go
Well they gave me some beans for my last meal I've got 23 minutes to go
But nobody asked me how I feel I've got 22 minutes to go
Well I sent for the governor and the whole dern bunch with 21 minutes to go
And I sent for the mayor but he's out to lunch I've got 20 more minutes to go
Then the sheriff said boy I gonna watch you die got 19 minutes to go
So I laughed in his face and I spit in his eye got 18 minutes to go
Now hear comes the preacher for to save my soul with 13 minutes to go
And he's talking bout' burnin' but I'm so cold I've 12 more minutes to go
Now they're testin' the trap and it chills my spine 11 more minutes to go
And the trap and the rope aw they work just fine got 10 more minutes to go
Well I'm waitin' on the pardon that'll set me free with 9 more minutes to go
But this is ain't the movies so forget about me got 8 more minutes to go
With my feet on the trap and my head on the noose got 5 more minutes to go
Won't somebody come and cut me loose with 4 more minutes to go
I can see the mountains I can see the skies with 3 more minutes to go
And it's to dern pretty for a man that don't wanna die 2 more minutes to go
I can see the buards I can hear the crows 1 more minute to go
And now I'm swingin' and here I go-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!