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Okla-homey
12/29/2006, 06:35 AM
December 29, 1890 U.S. Army massacres Sioux at Wounded Knee

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116 years ago today, in the tragic final chapter of America's long war against the Plains Indians, the U.S. Army kills 146 Sioux at Wounded Knee, South Dakota.

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Tensions had been running high on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota for months because of the growing popularity of a new Indian spiritual movement known as the Ghost Dance. Many of the Sioux at Pine Ridge had only recently been confined to reservations after long years of resistance, and they were deeply disheartened by the poor living conditions and deadening tedium of reservation life.

The Ghost Dance movement taught that the Indians were defeated and confined to reservations because they had angered powerful spirits by abandoning their traditional ways.

Proponents of the Ghost Dance movement believed if they practiced the Ghost Dance ritual and rejected white ways; the spirits would create the world anew; destroy the unbelievers; bring back warriors who had been killed in battle; and the massive herds of buffalo on which their culture had been dependent before being defeated and confined to the rez.

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1889 image of members of the Minnicongou band of the Sioux nation. They would die at Wounded Knee a year later.

By late 1890, Pine Ridge Indian agent James McLaughlin was alarmed by the movement's increasing influence and its prediction that all non-believers--presumably including whites--would be wiped out. McLaughlin telegraphed a warning to Washington, D.C. that: "Indians are dancing in the snow and are wild and crazy. We need protection now."

While waiting for the Army to arrive, McLaughlin attempted to arrest Sitting Bull, the famous Sioux chief, who he mistakenly believed was a Ghost Dance supporter. U.S. authorities killed Sitting Bull during the arrest, increasing the tensions at Pine Ridge rather than defusing them.

On December 29, two squadrons of the the 7th Cavalry Regiment under Colonel James Forsyth surrounded a band of Ghost Dancers under the Sioux Chief Big Foot near Wounded Knee Creek and demanded they surrender their weapons.

Big Foot and his followers had no intentions of attacking anyone, but they were distrustful of the army and feared they would be attacked if they relinquished their guns.

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Col James Forsyth photographed as a cavalry captain during the Civil War

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He would retire years after Wounded Knee a major general

Nonetheless, the Sioux agreed to surrender and began turning over their guns. As that was happening, a scuffle broke out between an Indian and a soldier, and a shot was fired. Though no one is certain which side fired it, the ensuing melee was quick and brutal.

Without arms and badly outnumbered, the Sioux were reduced to hand-to-hand fighting with knives, and they were cut down in a withering rain of bullets, many coming from the army's rapid-fire breech-loading 1.65" Hotchkiss guns.

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Hotchkiss Mountain Gun. The Army brought a four gun section. These pieces could be operated by a crew of two and were capable of firing 6 rounds per minute. The projectile used at Wounded knee was "canister," which was a soda can-sized round filled with 25 .58 caliber lead musketballs which essentially functioned like giant shotgun shells. They were devastating against personnel targets.

By the time the soldiers withdrew, 146 Indians were dead (including 44 women and 18 children) and 51 wounded. The 7th lost 25 dead and 39 wounded.

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Yellow Bird lies dead after the massacre. The rifle was placed across his body as a prop by the photographer.

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Almost a week after the massacre, the bodies of the dead Sioux were hauled off and buried in a mass grave.

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Although sometimes referred to as a battle, the conflict at Wounded Knee is best seen as a tragic and avoidable massacre. Surrounded by heavily armed troops, it is highly unlikely that Big Foot's band would have deliberately sought a confrontation.

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Memorial marker placed by surviving Sioux on the mass grave on the Pine Bluff Reservation.

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Some historians speculate that the soldiers of the 7th Cavalry were deliberately taking revenge for the regiment's defeat at Little Bighorn in 1876.

Whatever the motives, the Army's massacre ended the Ghost Dance movement and was the final major confrontation in America's deadly and genocidal war against the Plains Indians.

Epilogue:

Today, the Pine Ridge Reservation remains one of the most impoverished regions in the United States. In case you're wondering, tribal gaming is not the answer for these people. This is largely because the area is too remote and "off the beaten path," thus making it impractical to build profitable gaming facilities on the Pine Ridge Rez.

In the meantime, the people suffer from a lack of resources and opportunities as too many succumb to the destructive temptations of alcohol and drugs as many attempt to numb themselves from the devastating lack of hope.

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A pretty good read on the incident


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BoogercountySooner
12/29/2006, 07:17 AM
Thanks Homey, that was a sad day in our countries history.

Xstnlsooner
12/29/2006, 08:36 AM
It is a good book on the Native American perspective.
Phil Sheridan was an a**hole and I'm sure he got his on the
other side!

The repercusions of what was done to Native Americans is still
being felt today.

royalfan5
12/29/2006, 10:10 AM
http://www.journalstar.com/special_reports/whiteclay/

A good look at where the Pine Ridge and the Sioux are at today.

NormanPride
12/29/2006, 10:38 AM
It's easy to point fingers at people across the seas committing horrible atrocities against fellow men, but we cannot forget it was us people were pointing fingers at just over a hundred years ago.

picasso
12/29/2006, 11:14 AM
Excellent work once again Homey!
Yep, Sitting Bull did not buy into the Ghost Dance but he let it go on in his group because it at least gave the people hope.
You might also want to look up Paiute holy man Wovoka. He's the one who started the religion.

Also, the current reservation system is a fine example of government run/controlled/dependent life. take note socialist types.

Okla-homey
12/29/2006, 11:30 AM
Excellent work once again Homey!
Yep, Sitting Bull did not buy into the Ghost Dance but he let it go on in his group because it at least gave the people hope.
You might also want to look up Paiute holy man Wovoka. He's the one who started the religion.

Also, the current reservation system is a fine example of government run/controlled/dependent life. take note socialist types.

People are resilient and can endure great harship and suffering and come out on the other side with their heads held high...if, they have hope for the future. When hope is gone, human beings tend to roll over and die.

My hope for the Sioux, is that someday, they can find a way to end the cycle of despair and restore hope to their people.

Just saying.

SoonerJack
12/29/2006, 11:36 AM
^ Tru dat.

picasso
12/29/2006, 11:41 AM
People are resilient and can endure great harship and suffering and come out on the other side with their heads held high...if, they have hope for the future. When hope is gone, human beings tend to roll over and die.

My hope for the Sioux, is that someday, they can find a way to end the cycle of despair and restore hope to their people.

Just saying.
education is the key. rez life is like that throughout the southwest also. the nicest rez's you'll ever see are the Pueblos in NM and that's because they've always lived there as opposed to being put or forced there.

usmc-sooner
12/29/2006, 11:50 AM
It's easy to point fingers at people across the seas committing horrible atrocities against fellow men, but we cannot forget it was us people were pointing fingers at just over a hundred years ago.

I disagree somewhat, had it been another nation that conquered the American Indians, they probably wouldn't have been as civil. I doubt the Russians let the nations they conquer set up reservations or keep certain lands. I doubt they set up funds, and hospitals (although I'm not a huge fan of IHS but they do what they can with what they have).

Picasso's right education is the key, we need the young uns to start getting degree's in influential fields, start embracing their culture more. We need to work out the corruption in tribal government (if you think the US government is corrupt, it's nothing compared to tribal government) We need to worry about real issues that face American Indians and not worry so much about the stupid stuff like mascot names. JMO

picasso
12/29/2006, 11:54 AM
TOTALLY true on tribal government.
it was also inevitable what happened to the natives of this country. it was a battle of land, assimilation and a way of life.
it's a story that has been repeated throughout history all over the world. and it ain't just white people that have done it.

Okla-homey
12/29/2006, 12:14 PM
TOTALLY true on tribal government.
it was also inevitable what happened to the natives of this country. it was a battle of land, assimilation and a way of life.
it's a story that has been repeated throughout history all over the world. and it ain't just white people that have done it.

I would offer one bit of food for thought. Tribal governments work best when they have the checks and balances inherent in having a Constitution, Code and all three branches of government. Tribes which lack judicial branches tend to suffer more acts of malfeasance and/or corruption. When a tribe has an independent judiciary, citizens can actually seek redress and put a stop to corruption far easier than in tribes which only have a chief (executive) and a national council (legislative branch.) That's not just true in Indian Country, it's a universal truth.

picasso
12/29/2006, 12:22 PM
I would offer one bit of food for thought. Tribal governments work best when they have the checks and balances inherent in having a Constitution, Code and all three branches of government. Tribes which lack judicial branches tend to suffer more acts of malfeasance and/or corruption. When a tribe has an independent judiciary, citizens can actually seek redress and put a stop to corruption far easier than in tribes which only have a chief (executive) and a national council (legislative branch.) That's not just true in Indian Country, it's a universal truth.
that's a good point but I wasn't even speaking on the legal end of the topic.
there's some backstabbing that goes on betwixt even good friends.
also, as in my tribe, it's nearly impossible to remove a chief or tribal head during elections due to absentee ballots. folks out of state only read what's in the tribal paper that is usually edited by ummm the tribal chief.

LoyalFan
12/30/2006, 06:35 AM
"There are better days to beeeee
For the Seventh Cavalreeee,
When we charge again for
Dear Old Garryowennnnnn."
(From "Sergeant Flynn", a song re Little Big Horn.)

It took a few years but, like it or not, Little Big Horn was avenged.
Sad business, and I wish it hadn't happened. It did...let it go.
Thanks, Homey, for another meaningful History lesson. Well done.

LF
Cavalry (Armored) Officer, Emeritus
"Drive the Saber to the hilt for Garryowen!"

Okla-homey
12/30/2006, 08:11 AM
"There are better days to beeeee
For the Seventh Cavalreeee,
When we charge again for
Dear Old Garryowennnnnn."
(From "Sergeant Flynn", a song re Little Big Horn.)

It took a few years but, like it or not, Little Big Horn was avenged.
Sad business, and I wish it hadn't happened. It did...let it go.
Thanks, Homey, for another meaningful History lesson. Well done.

LF
Cavalry (Armored) Officer, Emeritus
"Drive the Saber to the hilt for Garryowen!"

While I too lament the loss of the innocent troopers at the Little Big Horn in 1876, I consider Lt Col George A. Custer a pompous glory-seeking @ss who deserved what he got. His attack was ill-timed, stupid and frankly, made despite incredible odds and against the better judgment of many of his subordinate officers who were more seasoned Indian fighters.

Just saying.

LoyalFan
12/30/2006, 09:33 AM
While I too lament the loss of the innocent troopers at the Little Big Horn in 1876, I consider Lt Col George A. Custer a pompous glory-seeking @ss who deserved what he got. His attack was ill-timed, stupid and frankly, made despite incredible odds and against the better judgment of many of his subordinate officers who were more seasoned Indian fighters.

Just saying.

Totally correct, Homester, totally correct.
When I was newbie Second Looie (Music Degree notwithstanding,) attending Armor Officer's Basic Course at Fort Ka-knocks, KY, the General who gave us a rousing welcoming speech said,
"I see 120 bright young cavalry officers before me and I know you are all God-fearing young men. As such, you must all have patron saints.
You Southern lads can pray to St. JEB Stuart, Saint Nathan B. Forrest, or even Saint John Mosby.
You Union boys can pray to Saint John Buford, Saint Phil Sheridan, maybe Saint George Thomas or Saint Ben Grierson, and we ALL pray to Saint George Patton...BUT...I don't want any of you SOBS praying to George Armstrong Custer 'cause, man, he effed up!"
I do take exception to an earlier negative crack made in reference to General Sheridan (not by you). General Sheridan was a crack horse soldier who did what was needed, and did it with deadly effect, in the Shenandoah Valley. His actions in laying waste to the breadbasket of the Confederacy shortened the war in much the same manner as did Wm. Tecumseh Sherman's march from Atlanta to the sea. Both men realized that if "Total War" was implemented the conflict would end sooner and lives might be saved. They were right, whether one is a devotee of the Old South or not.
That said...I consider myself a Gentleman of The South, though raised in various venues as an Army Brat. THAT said...Were the Civil War somehow to rekindle, God forbid, I'd serve in Union Blue, for the preservation of the Union resulting from the 1860's war served to keep ALL Americans free when certain European powers might have seen a divided nation as easy pickin's.

Thanks again for all you do.

LF
Ironhorse Soldier, once upon a time.

picasso
12/30/2006, 10:41 AM
"There are better days to beeeee
For the Seventh Cavalreeee,
When we charge again for
Dear Old Garryowennnnnn."
(From "Sergeant Flynn", a song re Little Big Horn.)

It took a few years but, like it or not, Little Big Horn was avenged.
Sad business, and I wish it hadn't happened. It did...let it go.
Thanks, Homey, for another meaningful History lesson. Well done.

LF
Cavalry (Armored) Officer, Emeritus
"Drive the Saber to the hilt for Garryowen!"
you don't seem to want to let it go either. I've seen your comments about the cavalry and the Indian Wars.
and if it makes you feel better avenging Little Big Horn good for you. It was a stupid move by the Army who broke treaties in the first place by riding into restricted Indian lands.

Thanks for making me even happier that Long Hair got his gut split.

LoyalFan
12/30/2006, 11:03 AM
you don't seem to want to let it go either. I've seen your comments about the cavalry and the Indian Wars.
and if it makes you feel better avenging Little Big Horn good for you. It was a stupid move by the Army who broke treaties in the first place by riding into restricted Indian lands.

Thanks for making me even happier that Long Hair got his gut split.

Funny, I can't recall saying that Wounded Knee makes ME feel better. Nope, never said it. And, while I'm at it...The victors at Little Big Horn never mutilated Geo. Custer's body, nor even scalped him. Their superstitions prevented that. As well, the body of G.C.'s brother, Tom, was similarly untouched. He possessed many "Skin illustrations" (See: Tats) and they were fearful thereof.
Some research on your part would enlighten you to the fact that the soldiers, enlisted and officer alike, who served on the Western Frontier were, for the most part, sympathetic to the Indians but were operating under pressure from civilian politicians and treaty-breakers, so well as "settlers" hungering for yet more land so well as precious metal seekers.

General George Crook, to name but one, genuinely liked and respected his opponents and, at every opportunity, sought to save lives and defend their rights. He realized he could not dictate destiny but he strove to minimize the impact of westward expansion on native peoples.

*Now, go pic-yer-asso and do some 'larnin.

LF
For The Honor Of My Regiment

*All in fun.

Okla-homey
12/30/2006, 11:06 AM
Totally correct, Homester, totally correct.
When I was newbie Second Looie (Music Degree notwithstanding,) attending Armor Officer's Basic Course at Fort Ka-knocks, KY, the General who gave us a rousing welcoming speech said,
"I see 120 bright young cavalry officers before me and I know you are all God-fearing young men. As such, you must all have patron saints.
You Southern lads can pray to St. JEB Stuart, Saint Nathan B. Forrest, or even Saint John Mosby.
You Union boys can pray to Saint John Buford, Saint Phil Sheridan, maybe Saint George Thomas or Saint Ben Grierson, and we ALL pray to Saint George Patton...BUT...I don't want any of you SOBS praying to George Armstrong Custer 'cause, man, he effed up!"
I do take exception to an earlier negative crack made in reference to General Sheridan (not by you). General Sheridan was a crack horse soldier who did what was needed, and did it with deadly effect, in the Shenandoah Valley. His actions in laying waste to the breadbasket of the Confederacy shortened the war in much the same manner as did Wm. Tecumseh Sherman's march from Atlanta to the sea. Both men realized that if "Total War" was implemented the conflict would end sooner and lives might be saved. They were right, whether one is a devotee of the Old South or not.
That said...I consider myself a Gentleman of The South, though raised in various venues as an Army Brat. THAT said...Were the Civil War somehow to rekindle, God forbid, I'd serve in Union Blue, for the preservation of the Union resulting from the 1860's war served to keep ALL Americans free when certain European powers might have seen a divided nation as easy pickin's.

Thanks again for all you do.

LF
Ironhorse Soldier, once upon a time.

Little Phil was a hell of a horse-soldier. I've seen his favorite mount (Reinzi) stuffed and on display at the Smithsonian. She is a huge mare for such a little fella.

LoyalFan
12/30/2006, 11:12 AM
Little Phil was a hell of a horse-soldier. I've seen his favorite mount (Reinzi) stuffed and on display at the Smithsonian. She is a huge mare for such a little fella.

That hat of his was a hoot too!
BTW, Rienzi was named for someone commerated in the opera "Rienzi" ,subtitled "Last Of The Roman Tribunes"...talk about trivia, Hoo boy!

LF

picasso
12/30/2006, 11:30 AM
Funny, I can't recall saying that Wounded Knee makes ME feel better. Nope, never said it. And, while I'm at it...The victors at Little Big Horn never mutilated Geo. Custer's body, nor even scalped him. Their superstitions prevented that. As well, the body of G.C.'s brother, Tom, was similarly untouched. He possessed many "Skin illustrations" (See: Tats) and they were fearful thereof.
Some research on your part would enlighten you to the fact that the soldiers, enlisted and officer alike, who served on the Western Frontier were, for the most part, sympathetic to the Indians but were operating under pressure from civilian politicians and treaty-breakers, so well as "settlers" hungering for yet more land so well as precious metal seekers.

General George Crook, to name but one, genuinely liked and respected his opponents and, at every opportunity, sought to save lives and defend their rights. He realized he could not dictate destiny but he strove to minimize the impact of westward expansion on native peoples.

*Now, go pic-yer-asso and do some 'larnin.

LF
For The Honor Of My Regiment

*All in fun.

you made a snide Army comment in the Sand Creek thread I do believe.
Hey we're all entitled to our opinions.:cool:
And please don't lecture me on any history concerning the Indian Wars. I've read that subject pretty thoroughly.

Also, Chivington is the one I loathe as much as Custer.

Xstnlsooner
12/30/2006, 11:31 AM
In deference to you Sheridan fans, I remember too well his famous
quote, "the old good Indian is a dead one" and he bears much
responsibility for the wholesale slaughter of the bison.

LoyalFan
12/31/2006, 06:57 AM
you made a snide Army comment in the Sand Creek thread I do believe.
Hey we're all entitled to our opinions.:cool:
And please don't lecture me on any history concerning the Indian Wars. I've read that subject pretty thoroughly.

Also, Chivington is the one I loathe as much as Custer.

Lecture you? Nope, just correcting..."Got his gut split" come to mind?
Now, on a conciliatory note (perhaps a G#)...I agree with you re Chivington. Custer was an egomaniac and that "condition" led to irrational acts of cruelty and, in the end, his own demise.
Chivington, on the other hand, was simply a beast.

Carry on,

LF

picasso
1/1/2007, 12:02 AM
Lecture you? Nope, just correcting..."Got his gut split" come to mind?
Now, on a conciliatory note (perhaps a G#)...I agree with you re Chivington. Custer was an egomaniac and that "condition" led to irrational acts of cruelty and, in the end, his own demise.
Chivington, on the other hand, was simply a beast.

Carry on,

LF
wasn't being literal bro.
I know all about scalping and hacking the body so as to torment one in the next life.
I know they left Custers red headed *** alone. I also know Gall takes credit for killing him. Along with Two Moons of the Cheyenne and countless others.

1stTimeCaller
1/1/2007, 12:18 AM
did I ever tell you guys about the time I got to hang out with Dan Old Elk? He's the Sundance Chief of the Crow nation and is a grandson of Curly. It was an awesome two weeks.

Rogue
10/27/2007, 07:40 AM
HBO Films has a new movie (http://www.hbo.com/films/burymyheart/index.html) based on the book, 'Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee.'
Well worth watching, IMO.

Sitting Bull is portrayed in a very sympathetic way and the actor playing him,
August Schellenberg, is great.