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Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 07:34 PM
is on channel 9 in OKC at 7:00pm.

If anybody still wants to watch them. :(

william_brasky
12/9/2006, 07:44 PM
I shall be watching.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 07:45 PM
I shall be watching.

me too. and I'll be here.

Book it! :D

william_brasky
12/9/2006, 07:47 PM
Coppin State. More like Coffin State.

Hey-ohhhhhh!!!!!!

birddog
12/9/2006, 07:52 PM
it's not on here.:mad:

i only get to watch us when we're on the wrong end of blowouts.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:08 PM
AJ not playing tonight.

Walker gets the start. :eek:

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:10 PM
Crocker scores.

2-0 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:13 PM
Neal hits two ft's in dead silence at LN.
4-0 OU

StoopTroup
12/9/2006, 08:13 PM
IN!

BOOMER SOONER ! ! !

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:14 PM
three for Coppin.
4-3 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:16 PM
Crocker hits a 3
Then a steal, and Neal hits a 3.
Coppin with a layup.

10-5 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:17 PM
Timeout
10-5 OU
14:24

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:21 PM
So AJ is in the game, but he didn't start because he had a stomach virus. :confused:

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:22 PM
Taylor Griffin looks like he is lost this year.

10-7 OU.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:23 PM
10-9 OU
Timeout OU
Capel not happy - and he shouldn't be.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:28 PM
Neal for 3.
Carter with a rebound and a bucket.

15-11 OU
9:45

Frozen Sooner
12/9/2006, 08:31 PM
Trying to follow the game but I have a stomach bug. Is it on O-Zone?

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:31 PM
Neal and Crocker with 15 of OU's 17 points.

17-13 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:32 PM
Is it on O-Zone?

I have no idea.

17-16 OU
8:00

60 second flood control sucks.

Frozen Sooner
12/9/2006, 08:32 PM
OK, have it on now.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:36 PM
AJ was in for a few minutes, but Walker has played the majority of the game at point. I hate to bash Walker, but I sure hope AJ stays healthy this year.

L2 hits 1 of 2 ft's

18-16 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:37 PM
tie game at 18
6:50

StoopTroup
12/9/2006, 08:37 PM
Are we suffering from a villa nilla hang over?

Frozen Sooner
12/9/2006, 08:38 PM
We=not very good at basketball.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:38 PM
Man, Clark puts some arc on the ball.
Hits 1 of 2 fromt he line, then L2 gets the board and is fouled.
L2 clangs two from the line.

19-18 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:39 PM
We=not very good at basketball.

that's for sure.

I usually look forward to basketball after football winds down. not so much this year.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:41 PM
Crocker is a really nice looking player. Makes you wonder what could have been if Reynolds and James had ended up here.

L2 with a nice jam.

23-21 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:46 PM
geesh - I am a better shooter than Chris Walker.

Neal scores on a layup
25-21 OU
2:20

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:48 PM
Longar with a rebound and a jam.

27-21 OU
1:00

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:51 PM
The Big XII champs are on the floor right now!

...and it's 29-24 OU at the half.

william_brasky
12/9/2006, 08:56 PM
We, um, need to, um, play better.

We don't have anyone who can get to the rim, and our defensive pressure is a not so good.

birddog
12/9/2006, 08:58 PM
:kelvin: WWKD?

it's gonna be a long season, and one we haven't seen since billy's last season.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 08:59 PM
Ryan Minor commercial - boy, could we use another one of him.

birddog
12/9/2006, 09:09 PM
quite a battle between cu and csu

2-0 cu.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:09 PM
29-28 OU

Those of you who cannot see this game - be thankful.

StoopTroup
12/9/2006, 09:11 PM
This is painful to watch.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:12 PM
11 turnovers by OU just into the 2nd half.
make that 12.

still 29-28 OU.
16:40

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:13 PM
now I know what it feels like to be a Baylor football fan.

Ground_Attack
12/9/2006, 09:14 PM
now I know what it feels like to be a Baylor football fan.

no, at least we have had great seasons and will have more in the future :D

starrca23
12/9/2006, 09:14 PM
Let me overstate the obvious: We can't shoot.

starrca23
12/9/2006, 09:15 PM
Or rebound

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:16 PM
and Coppin State takes the lead :eek:
30-29 CSU

But Longar brings OU back
31-30 OU

Then AJ hits a 3
34-30 OU

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:17 PM
Bobby Maze is in the game.

AJ just can't go very long tonight.

starrca23
12/9/2006, 09:20 PM
In all fairness, injury and a new system, we shouldn't be expecting too much.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:21 PM
In all fairness, injury and a new system, we shouldn't be expecting too much.

what injury?

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:22 PM
Griffin with two buckets, Then Longar and a foul.

40-33 OU
13:14

starrca23
12/9/2006, 09:23 PM
Hasn't maze been out for a while?

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:23 PM
Griffin cannot be stopped now - another ally-oop jam.

Timeout CSU
42-33 OU
12:51

starrca23
12/9/2006, 09:24 PM
Finally some post play.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:24 PM
Hasn't maze been out for a while?

yeah - but I didn't count on him much early this year. I do hope he can become a contributor this year though.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:26 PM
What has gotten into Griffin? Whatever it is, I like it.

44-33 OU
11:39
Timeout

starrca23
12/9/2006, 09:28 PM
Mojo baby, mojo.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:29 PM
"...call me the bus driver, cause I'm going to take you to school"

I love that commercial.

birddog
12/9/2006, 09:30 PM
hopefully we can put away the mighty (coppin state mascot name).

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:31 PM
hopefully we can put away the mighty (coppin state mascot name).

Eagles or something like that.

44-35 OU
9:48

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:32 PM
what an ugly game. At least Kelvin conditioned us for this type of game.

teams trade multiple turnovers.

still 44-35 OU
9:13

yermom
12/9/2006, 09:38 PM
where's Neal?

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:38 PM
44-37 OU
7:57

Timeout OU

william_brasky
12/9/2006, 09:38 PM
After watching the ATM and UCLA game today, I have to say that we are an un-quick team.

Maze and Crocker are the only 2 who could hang with those teams quick-wise.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:39 PM
where's Neal?

all over the place in the 1st half - not so much in the 2nd.

he's in the game now.

yermom
12/9/2006, 09:40 PM
oh, there he is

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:40 PM
AJ hits another 3.

47-37 OU

make that 47-39 OU
6:40

Neal hits a 3
50-39 OU
6:20

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:43 PM
Neal with a bucket and fouled.
54-43 OU

Neal hits the ft.
55-43 OU
5:15

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:44 PM
Maze is getting a bunch of playing time in the 2nd half.

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:49 PM
This team looks a lot better in the 2nd half.
Maze has made a few nice plays.
62-43 OU
2:40

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:52 PM
Crocker to Longar for a deuce and a foul.
Longar misses the ft.

64-45 OU
1:25

Ground_Attack
12/9/2006, 09:54 PM
Longar sucks at the FT line!

yermom
12/9/2006, 09:54 PM
dang, it's hard to be mad at LL for having a double-double, but dang, 1-6 from the line?

Newbomb Turk
12/9/2006, 09:54 PM
extremely white dude for Coppin State makes 2 ft's

64-47 OU
:30

StoopTroup
12/9/2006, 09:55 PM
WE WIN!

msteudem
12/9/2006, 09:58 PM
Somewhat of an ugly game but hey, a win is a win. Good to have Maze back. He seems to give a spark off the bench.

StoopTroup
12/9/2006, 10:01 PM
Man Coppin has a really ugly dude on that squad.

william_brasky
12/9/2006, 10:02 PM
extremely white dude for Coppin State makes 2 ft's




I think he's a black albino. No joke. I've played some pick up ball with a black albino guy a number of times.

yermom
12/9/2006, 10:10 PM
that's what i thought when i saw him as well

Ash
12/9/2006, 10:53 PM
thoughts on the game:

Could the crowd be any more dead? Sheez.

It was good to see Maze, it provided a spark, has great potential. It will be interesting to see what he can do, especially on the defensive end, once he's got some experience. His drive for a basket in the second half was awesome, he gave the Coppin St. guy a little hesitation move then blasted past him to the bucket.

What the heck is wrong with AJ? Not in terms of playing but I heard after the game that he's had IVs??? He was playing well until whatever happened happened. He still was solid in limited time. And Griffin was sick or something?

Longar had a good offensive game and was key on the boards. He played decent defense and blocked out OK but overall this season he continues to be a defensive liability at times.

Speaking of out-of-position, again tonight our spacing on offense just plain sucked at times and the players looked a step too slow on defense at times (a problem that killed us against Villanova). Turnovers also. I want to think that it's simply a case of inexperience, not just in terms of new players, but learning a new system. At times it seems like concentration, but I hope not.

Positives: good overall game and nice win in the end. It was good to see Maze get some good minutes and see the team get over the turnover and scoring funk in the beginning of the second half and close the game out strong.

Negatives: the careless turnovers and poor spacing on offense (this has killed us against better defensive teams). Lack of rotation and anticipation on half-court defense (maybe it's a lack of communication). There were other things, but this post is long as it is, every negative was something that can be fixed (which is another positive).

badger
12/9/2006, 11:09 PM
NP and I went to the game. It was very, VERY difficult to watch.

If you want to hear the crowd cheer, give them a "Buffalo Wild Wings" competition or a Big 12 Championship football team.

NP and I were shaking our heads, yelling at our players to get back on defense, drive to the basket (or at least get inside the 3-point line) and show signs of life.

After this game, I am very tempted to switch avatars, but I will give them until conference play to get motivated, get energized and GET THE HELL BACK ON DEFENSE AND INTO THE PAINT FOR THE LOVE OF ARGGGGHHHH!!!

:mad:

william_brasky
12/9/2006, 11:13 PM
Coppin did pretty much zone it up the whole game.

We didn't seem to look to drive or get the ball inside until Maze came in. We were content with shooting 3's. That's not gonna cut it.

It was the unaggressive play, like the Nova game, that made us look bad.

Hopefully we can get the unaggressive mindset changed before Conference play.

birddog
12/9/2006, 11:46 PM
i thought these guys were going to play with a chip on their shoulder. i haven't seen that yet. also, hard work can make up for alot of deficiencies and from what i'm hearing we're not showing alot of energy. that sucks.

mrjeffmaxwell
12/10/2006, 12:17 AM
The half time show was good with PT and friends.

Ash
12/10/2006, 12:50 AM
i thought these guys were going to play with a chip on their shoulder. i haven't seen that yet. also, hard work can make up for alot of deficiencies and from what i'm hearing we're not showing alot of energy. that sucks.

I don't know if it's lack of energy as much as it looks like guys don't know where they're supposed to be on the floor on offense and the trapping zone Coppin St. used tonight really exposed that. Not enough movement and good passing IMO, and sometimes guys just seemed to not know what to do when the trap or double team came.

On defense, it really seems like lack of communication or not understanding the situation. They're inconisistent in helping and rotating.

I think it's all stuff that's correctable. But they have to cut down on turnovers or it's going to be tough no matter who they're playing.

King Crimson
12/10/2006, 01:03 AM
our ball handling is about as bad as any team i've seen.

birddog
12/10/2006, 01:42 AM
I don't know if it's lack of energy as much as it looks like guys don't know where they're supposed to be on the floor on offense and the trapping zone Coppin St. used tonight really exposed that. Not enough movement and good passing IMO, and sometimes guys just seemed to not know what to do when the trap or double team came.

On defense, it really seems like lack of communication or not understanding the situation. They're inconisistent in helping and rotating.

I think it's all stuff that's correctable. But they have to cut down on turnovers or it's going to be tough no matter who they're playing.

well, capel said it was a lack of passion. whatever it is, i hope it doesn't last long. i think (hope) we'll see significant improvements by the end of the season, even if we don't see it on the scoreboard.

Ash
12/10/2006, 01:53 AM
well, capel said it was a lack of passion. whatever it is, i hope it doesn't last long. i think (hope) we'll see significant improvements by the end of the season, even if we don't see it on the scoreboard.

Don't like hearing that from the coach.

I was just commenting on what I saw at the game. If it is a lack of intensity, these guys need to suck it up and play hard - that's the only way they're going to be successful. That and playing smarter, which means taking better care of the ball.

birddog
12/10/2006, 02:24 AM
http://newsok.com/article/2983804/?template=sports/ou

article from the game.

lubbocksooner
12/10/2006, 06:38 PM
I did not get to watch the game so decided to check out the box score today. One of the other posters questioned if something was wrong with AJ and Griffin. I wondered that my self AJ played only 15 minutes, Griffin 16 and Clark 5! We really need to cure the turnover bug as well.

OUstud
12/10/2006, 07:44 PM
Seriously, who is in charge of running the festivities during the game at the LNC? He needs to be fired ASAP. The atmosphere there would be expected at an Aggy school, but not at OU.

Gandalf_The_Grey
12/10/2006, 08:21 PM
If Capel gets this team to the NIT, I would honestly say that he would have to be considered for Big 12 coach of the year. Then again, this isn't really his team and it is going to take him a while to figure out little small things about these players. Capel seems like a great recruiter at the very least and hopefully he finds a kid taller than 6'6" I do like Capel though, he has great potential...if he gets us off the ground perhaps he can get a sweet job at a basketball school ;)

starrca23
12/10/2006, 08:52 PM
They are getting better every game. Just give them time.

badger
12/10/2006, 09:07 PM
the atmosphere was fine when something good happened! I mean, we make a shot, we go on a run, we stand and applaud.

BUT, when you endure turnover after turnover (correct me if I'm wrong, weren't there 18?) and a team that DOES NOT GET BACK ON DEFENSE and thus, GIVES UP MORE POINTS THAN THEY SHOULD, it is hard to do more than hold your face in your hands and shake it back and forth.

What happened to the team that nearly scored 100? Can we have them back, please?

Gandalf_The_Grey
12/10/2006, 09:37 PM
Boy if you dont' want to see teams that do not get back on defense and give up more points than they should...then those 100 point teams would have really ****ed you off ;)

badger
12/10/2006, 10:24 PM
Boy if you dont' want to see teams that do not get back on defense and give up more points than they should...then those 100 point teams would have really ****ed you off ;)
Okay... clarification...

It is okay if they don't get back on defense, so long as they answer those buckets each time they don't defend. Give up 2? Score 2. Give up 3? Score 3.

I would love to see a 176-120 game (is that what the score was? Don't remember...), so long as OU has the 176.

OUstud
12/10/2006, 11:23 PM
I just hope that Norfolk State game wasn't 100% smoke and mirrors. Maybe it was a hangover from the Villy no show and they'll pull it together. I'd like to see more of the running and pressing that I saw in game one.

Gandalf_The_Grey
12/11/2006, 12:41 AM
Well the good news is that once the Big 12 figured out Billy Ball, he was 2-8 in his last 10 games at OU. The good news is that style of basketball just doesn't work any more

Ash
12/11/2006, 12:52 AM
Well the good news is that once the Big 12 figured out Billy Ball, he was 2-8 in his last 10 games at OU. The good news is that style of basketball just doesn't work any more

He wasn't exactly a world beater at TCU, either.

But, that style might work if you've got the horses, but it's risky in today's game because everyone is going to lock you down on D. That's why I watch the college game because the defense is there and makes the intensity of the game (usually) higher than the NBA where nobody defends.

One thing needs to be said, though: ALL COACHES WANT TO RUN, but many, who don't have great athletes, only want to do it opportunistically (when their defense creates the opportunities). The fast break is one of the best ways to get easy looks.

Capel's no different, and believe me, if he thought he had a full court team, I bet he'd play a full court style. He's trying to put the pieces together for a successful season. If it's half court motion and zone D, he's going to do it. If it's more up tempo, he'll do it.

I know this falls on mostly deaf ears, here, but I'm a fan of the game. I played it (not at the D-1 level or anything close) so I guess I'm biased. But to me "ugly" is when both teams can't execute. Different styles are actually intriguing to watch.

OUSKINS
12/11/2006, 10:08 AM
That's why I watch the college game because the defense is there and makes the intensity of the game (usually) higher than the NBA where nobody defends.


Not meaning to take the thread in a different direction, but I disagree with that statement; I think it's just something people say w/o any real evidence.

First of all, sure over an 82 game season, you're going to have some nights and some instances where guys don't defend with intensity. But overall, I think the defense in the NBA is very good. As a matter of fact, some people think it's TOO good and that coaches have focused TOO much on D and have allowed offensive skills to erode.

I watched the Nets-Suns game the other night. Final score was Suns 161, Nets 157 in double OT. The obvious first assumption was that no one played any D-- nothing could be farther from the truth. Fact is, Nash and Kidd were unreal-- made amazing shots, and set up their teammates perfectly.

People think that every time someone has an open shot, that means it was bad defense.

But in that game, for example, Nash was KILLING the Nets with his penetration. Kidd is a good defender, but Nash was just too quick. So the Nets started sinking into the paint to try and control Nash's drives. Well, of course, that opened up jumpshots for the Suns. Nash being an excellent passer, found the open guys, and they made shots. Kidd did much of the same on the other end.

I'm a big Cavs fan and I watch all of their games on satellite. I watch hundreds of NBA games throughout the year. Some players aren't good defenders, no doubt. But honestly, more often than not, it's just that the offensive players are too good.

In basketball, great offense always beats great defense. It's just though most of the especially gifted young offensive players haven't been going to college over the years or have been staying for brief stints.

Boheim has been running that zone at Syracuse forever, but the only time they won the whole thing was the one time they had an unstoppable scorer (Carmelo).

Because of the increased emphasis on D, and the lack of the truly exceptional players in the college game, coaches have been able to "will" their teams to big runs with effort, defense, etc... but I think that may be changing now with the new rules.

Watching Lebron carve up an NBA defense isn't always an indictment of the defense itself. Sometimes, it's just good offense.

NormanPride
12/11/2006, 10:48 AM
The three point line was a barrier our guards could not cross. I just hope there's a drill we can run in practice where the guards have to dribble-drive. I guess this is what happens when you recruit a bunch of 2s with the speed and quickness of 3s...

Oh well. As I did on Saturday, I'll cheer for them regardless.

Ash
12/11/2006, 01:13 PM
Not meaning to take the thread in a different direction, but I disagree with that statement; I think it's just something people say w/o any real evidence.

First of all, sure over an 82 game season, you're going to have some nights and some instances where guys don't defend with intensity. But overall, I think the defense in the NBA is very good. As a matter of fact, some people think it's TOO good and that coaches have focused TOO much on D and have allowed offensive skills to erode.

I watched the Nets-Suns game the other night. Final score was Suns 161, Nets 157 in double OT. The obvious first assumption was that no one played any D-- nothing could be farther from the truth. Fact is, Nash and Kidd were unreal-- made amazing shots, and set up their teammates perfectly.

People think that every time someone has an open shot, that means it was bad defense.

But in that game, for example, Nash was KILLING the Nets with his penetration. Kidd is a good defender, but Nash was just too quick. So the Nets started sinking into the paint to try and control Nash's drives. Well, of course, that opened up jumpshots for the Suns. Nash being an excellent passer, found the open guys, and they made shots. Kidd did much of the same on the other end.

I'm a big Cavs fan and I watch all of their games on satellite. I watch hundreds of NBA games throughout the year. Some players aren't good defenders, no doubt. But honestly, more often than not, it's just that the offensive players are too good.

In basketball, great offense always beats great defense. It's just though most of the especially gifted young offensive players haven't been going to college over the years or have been staying for brief stints.

Boheim has been running that zone at Syracuse forever, but the only time they won the whole thing was the one time they had an unstoppable scorer (Carmelo).

Because of the increased emphasis on D, and the lack of the truly exceptional players in the college game, coaches have been able to "will" their teams to big runs with effort, defense, etc... but I think that may be changing now with the new rules.

Watching Lebron carve up an NBA defense isn't always an indictment of the defense itself. Sometimes, it's just good offense.

I guess we'll have to disagree. When people say an NBA player is a "good defender", it means he actually gaurds somebody. Now, are there games where players ratchet it up? Of course. And, like all generalizations, there are exceptions to what I said, but I think it holds from what I see in the game.

I don't know how many times I've seen NBA players drive to the bucket only to have defenders do the "ole" defense where they step in the lane but then quickly get out of the way and swipe at the ball. It's pretty much common practice to not even make a real attempt to get to a shooter unless you're already on top of them. Defense in the NBA = swipe at the ball, try to get the steal...if that won't work then just move around half-a$$ed and wait to fill the lanes on the break if the shooter misses.

You see, defense is about heart in basketball, you have to want to shut that other guy down - and I just don't see that in the NBA. At least not consistently.

OUSKINS
12/11/2006, 04:14 PM
You see, defense is about heart in basketball, you have to want to shut that other guy down - and I just don't see that in the NBA. At least not consistently

Yes, we'll have to disagree about the defense in the NBA.....but I do agree that defense does revolve around coaching, heart, and extra effort.

However, I also believe that great offense will ALWAYS beat great defense on ALL levels of basketball.

As I mentioned, the thing about college hoops lately has been the lack of truly "great" offensive players. Most of the top notch scorers have been the kind of guys that turn into role players in the NBA. Well coached teams can clamp down on those types of players.

I'm hoping that with the new rules, we'll start to see some really gifted scorers playing college ball again.