I don't understand the NCAA

[Sooner_Havok]

I remember the NCAA throwing a hissy fit when Jeremy Bloom wanted to ski and play football. Something on the lines of if you get paid to play any sport, then you can't be a NCAA athlete in a completely unrelated sport. Well I just saw on the ESPN that this kid Jeff Samardzija who is a wide receiver for the ND football team was drafted by the Cubs as a pitcher. They said he played for the Cub's minor league team last year. I doubt he played minor league baseball without being paid something. So what is the difference? Is it that Bloom wanted to compete in the Olympics and the Samardzija guy wants to play for MLB, or is it that Bloom didn't go to Notre Dame?

[OUstudent4life]

Playing in MLB = payed by team

Bloom = wanted to have sponsors/endorsements (only way to get payed to ski)

I still think that's crap, but that's the argument.

[Sooner_Havok]

Playing in MLB = payed by team

Bloom = wanted to have sponsors/endorsements (only way to get payed to ski)

I still think that's crap, but that's the argument.


Maybe, but I don't really see a difference there. You are still getting paid to play a sport. But then, what did I expect, for the NCAA to make sense? :confused:

[1stTimeCaller]

Bloom was playing football during the same time period that he wanted to be paid to ski.

The ND kid is not being paid to play baseball anymore. The baseball thing isn't new. We signed Vernon Maxwell a few years ago and he had been playing pro baseball. Chris Weinke and a few others have done the same.

[Sooner_Havok]

Bloom was playing football during the same time period that he wanted to be paid to ski.

The ND kid is not being paid to play baseball anymore. The baseball thing isn't new. We signed Vernon Maxwell a few years ago and he had been playing pro baseball. Chris Weinke and a few others have done the same.

So, if Bloom had left the football team to go ski in the Olympics, then said he was done skiing, he could have come back to play football again. I am really confused about this because the Samardzija kid was playing baseball between football season. He never left the football team, but played pro baseball in between football season. :confused: :confused:

[OUstudent4life]

The difference really is the person doing the paying. It's a double standard, I agree, but still...

no official organization was paying Bloom to ski. He wanted to do ads, take endorsements for using certain equipment, etc, which are all no-no's in the eyes of the NCAA. If the ND kid did a commercial through his pro team to earn some extra bucks (think Peyton Manning :D), he wouldn't be able to compete in the NCAA anymore.

[Frozen Sooner]

You cannot accept sponsorship money of any kind while maintaining amateur status.

It is impossible to separate sponsorship money earned by someone for their skiing from sponsorship money they got through their notoriety as a football player. In fact, it's quite possible that the athlete's notoriety as a skiier is enhanced by their football notoriety-which is profiting from their amateur status, and a nono.

The NCAA had no problem with Jeremy Bloom skiing professionally. They had a problem with him taking endorsement money. You can compete professionally in any sport while remaining an amateur in another.

See the multitude of college football and basketball players who play minor-league baseball.

[Sooner_Havok]

The difference really is the person doing the paying. It's a double standard, I agree, but still...

no official organization was paying Bloom to ski. He wanted to do ads, take endorsements for using certain equipment, etc, which are all no-no's in the eyes of the NCAA. If the ND kid did a commercial through his pro team to earn some extra bucks (think Peyton Manning :D), he wouldn't be able to compete in the NCAA anymore.


Ok, that makes sense now. Well at least as to the difference, but it still doesn't make sense. Getting paid is getting paid. Just because one sport is individual and the other is a team, it shouldn't matter.

[Ike]

The baseball thing isn't new. We signed Vernon Maxwell a few years ago and he had been playing pro baseball.


funny that he comes up today when yesterday he was brought up in a conversation I was having. The guy was an amazing baseball player....until someone threw him a curveball. In fact, when I played against him in HS, that was all he ever saw. He never touched one until the final AB he had against us, when he dribbled one to third base. I think he beat it out. He was a fast guy.

[royalfan5]

Bloom was playing football during the same time period that he wanted to be paid to ski.

The ND kid is not being paid to play baseball anymore. The baseball thing isn't new. We signed Vernon Maxwell a few years ago and he had been playing pro baseball. Chris Weinke and a few others have done the same.
Smardjza just signed this summer, and is an active Cubs minor leaguer. The NCAA has allowed players to be a minor leaguer in baseball and play football for awhile. Ricky Williams did it, and Nebraska had a football player do it in the mid-90's. Troy State had a QB that played ball all summer then played football. Playing baseball and then quiting to play football is more common, but you can do both under NCAA rules.

[royalfan5]

Also, Zbiakowski for ND boxed professionally this summer.

[Sooner_Havok]

You cannot accept sponsorship money of any kind while maintaining amateur status.

It is impossible to separate sponsorship money earned by someone for their skiing from sponsorship money they got through their notoriety as a football player. In fact, it's quite possible that the athlete's notoriety as a skiier is enhanced by their football notoriety-which is profiting from their amateur status, and a nono.

The NCAA had no problem with Jeremy Bloom skiing professionally. They had a problem with him taking endorsement money. You can compete professionally in any sport while remaining an amateur in another.

See the multitude of college football and basketball players who play minor-league baseball.

Yeah, but the only way to get paid to ski professionally is to get endorsements. Oh well. I see where they are coming from but it just doesn't seem right.

[Frozen Sooner]

Ricky Williams did it, and Nebraska had a football player do it in the mid-90's.

Darrin Erstad, wasn't it?

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah, but the only way to get paid to ski professionally is to get endorsements. Oh well. I see where they are coming from but it just doesn't seem right.

Yeah, I know the only way that professional skiers can make any money is through endorsements, but what the NCAA is saying is that there's no way to show that the endorsement money was solely for skiing. It sucks that it works that way, but them's the rules. I can't think of any other way to do it for a sport like skiing that wouldn't end up with 400lb linemen doing advertisements for Head skis.

[Scott D]

Yeah, but the only way to get paid to ski professionally is to get endorsements. Oh well. I see where they are coming from but it just doesn't seem right.

the problem is the blurred line with endorsements. Bloom would have been fine if he'd done something like, run track.

[I_SMELL_FEAR]

Also, Zbiakowski for ND boxed professionally this summer.

yeah, he got like 20,000 for like 1:30 of boxing or something.

What would be different if a local casino wanted to have weekly OU football boxing night, and every week pay thousands of dollars to a couple of players for a little boxing, I wonder?

Bring recruits in and show them how they can get paid while playing for OU.

[royalfan5]

Darrin Erstad, wasn't it?
It wasn't Erstad, he was soley a baseball player who they got to punt for one year, and then he was drafted No.1 overall and left. Erstad was only on the roster for the one year. Now that I thought about it, I was thinking of Erick Strickland who was a NU basketball player, and later NBA player who played minor league ball while playing hoops for NU.

[yermom]

yeah, he got like 20,000 for like 1:30 of boxing or something.

What would be different if a local casino wanted to have weekly OU football boxing night, and every week pay thousands of dollars to a couple of players for a little boxing, I wonder?

Bring recruits in and show them how they can get paid while playing for OU.

this sounds like a great idea

we could call it OU Contender :D

[BeetDigger]

I think the real point is that if Bloom had been a Domer or played in the Big 11, they would have changed the rules. Myles Brand is from Indiana and has this magic ability to find rationale that benefits the Big 11. How Ohio State, with their football pay for play and grades for athletes programs, along with the basketball team shennanigans, never got put on probation is an amazing feat.

Myles Brand can suck it as far as I am concerned.

[Frozen Sooner]

I think the real point is that if Bloom had been a Domer or played in the Big 11, they would have changed the rules. Myles Brand is from Indiana and has this magic ability to find rationale that benefits the Big 11. How Ohio State, with their football pay for play and grades for athletes programs, along with the basketball team shennanigans, never got put on probation is an amazing feat.

Myles Brand can suck it as far as I am concerned.

You're talking the same NCAA rule that forced Drew Tate, who plays for Iowa, which was in the Big 10 last I checked, to give back a car he won in a closest-to-the-pin contest?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Does that mean if a Player wins the lottery...he can't claim it, because the Closest to the Pin is luck as is the lottery

[Frozen Sooner]

Nah. The problem was that Tate's entry fee was waived because he played football for Iowa and had his name on advertisements. Since the tourney was for charity, that was fine-but as soon as he won the car, it was a problem.

[1stTimeCaller]

I don't think so. It's easier to prove you picked the right numbers to the NCAA than it is to prove to them that you got a hole-in-one. I'm just guessing here.

I'm c'mon folks, Hairy is still trying to make us believe that he had a hole-in-one. :D

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Did the NCAA allow him to donate the car to charity?

[Frozen Sooner]

Did the NCAA allow him to donate the car to charity?

No, I think he just couldn't accept it.

[Scott D]

I think they ended up having the sponsors of the event donate it. Like Froz said, Tate couldn't accept it. The basketball program for Ohio State has gotten some punishment for what they did. The problem most people don't see is that the grand cardinal sin in the eyes of the NCAA are recruiting violations. Most other violations that don't involve recruiting tend to have lesser penalites. And while everyone keeps waiting for another SMU to happen, it never will. The NCAA itself has gone on record since then saying that their punishment was too harsh.

[Frozen Sooner]

If Miami didn't get the death penalty for their Pell grant fraud ring and Baylor didn't get it for a murder one coverup, NOBODY is getting it. Ever.

[BeetDigger]

You're talking the same NCAA rule that forced Drew Tate, who plays for Iowa, which was in the Big 10 last I checked, to give back a car he won in a closest-to-the-pin contest?



How long ago was that? It seems that it was before Myles Brand took over. And besides, that was a one time deal. If you were actually comparing apples to apples (which you are absolutely not since Tate isn't a golfer and didn't depend upon sponsorship dollars to continue to play golf - however, it was a nice try, not applicable, but nice try), then I can see Myles impacting a change to the rules.

[Frozen Sooner]

How long ago was that? It seems that it was before Myles Brand took over. And besides, that was a one time deal. If you were actually comparing apples to apples (which you are absolutely not since Tate isn't a golfer and didn't depend upon sponsorship dollars to continue to play golf - however, it was a nice try, not applicable, but nice try), then I can see Myles impacting a change to the rules.

If by "before Myles Brand took over" you mean "this summer" then you're correct. Except you weren't, because Myles Brand took over before then.

Suggesting that Myles Brand is somehow protecting the Big Ten and Notre Dame is ludicrous.