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BIG_IKE

11/20/2006, 11:43 AM

What are your Top 10 Teams in Big 12 History?

Mine are....

#1 Oklahoma 2000 (13-0) National Champs
#2 Texas 2005 (13-0) National Champs
#3 Nebraska 1997 (13-0) National Champs
#4 Oklahoma 2004 (12-1) National Finalists
#5 Texas 2004 (12-1) Rose Bowl Winners
#6 Nebraska 1999 (10-1)
#7 K-State 1997 (11-1) Only loss to Nat'l Champs
#8 Oklahoma 2003 (12-2) National Finalists
#9 K-State 1999 (10-1)
#10 Texas A&M 1998 (11-2) Conference Champs

MiccoMacey

11/20/2006, 11:47 AM

I'd have to put Nebraska '97 ahead of us.

JMHO.

fadada1

11/20/2006, 11:49 AM

where does okie state fall on that list???

[shakes head] i can't believe you slighted them like that [shakes head]

poke4christ

11/20/2006, 12:06 PM

where does okie state fall on that list???

[shakes head] i can't believe you slighted them like that [shakes head]

Obviously, if you are just talking Big 12, we have no place in the top 10. If you include Big 8 we might drop in there in the bottom, but probably not even then. Just too many good teams between OU, UT, and Nebraska.

Zach

TopDawg

11/20/2006, 03:33 PM

If you include Big 8 we might drop in there in the bottom, but probably not even then. Just too many good teams between OU, UT, and Nebraska.

I don't think UT would take up too many slots on the Top 10 Big 8 teams of all time.

RRWSooner

11/20/2006, 03:37 PM

2003 Sooners could have easily moved to the top of the list had they finished what they started. :(

We were blowing out some good teams that year. What happened next I'll never understand...

josh09

11/20/2006, 04:41 PM

yes 2003 OU should be up there despite losing the last 2 games. we owned everyone prior to that.

TheUnnamedSooner

11/20/2006, 05:21 PM

nebbish '97 should be #1, they lifted weights

Big Red Ron

11/20/2006, 05:25 PM

2000 OU's Defense might have been the best EVAR at OU. Which means it might have been the best defense EVAR in CF.

I doubt 97 Neb could beat 2000 OU five out of ten times.

OSUAggie

11/20/2006, 05:26 PM

OU '03 = K-State '98

sooneron

11/20/2006, 05:49 PM

OU '03 = K-State '98 - A Heisman winner - 7 AAs - Butkus winner - Thorpe Award winner
fixed:D

snp

11/20/2006, 06:16 PM

2000 OU's Defense might have been the best EVAR at OU. Which means it might have been the best defense EVAR in CF.

I doubt 97 Neb could beat 2000 OU five out of ten times.

You don't think the 2001 defense was equal, or even better? They allowed less points and had to be out on the field a lot more often due to that inept offense.

soonerboy_odanorth

11/20/2006, 06:20 PM

....but definitely not even then.

Fixed it for ya...

Simply by tallying the 4 NU national championships, the 6 OU national championships (though, granted Oklahoma A&M was still in the Missouri Valley Conf. for the first few), one CU national championship, and either '83 NU or '71 OU you guys are waaaayyyyy down the list.

Consider that the '84 Cowpoke team was probably one of your top 5 all time, and they lost to an OU team that was probably the 5th best OU team of the 80's (behind '85, '86, '87, and '80)... well, you can see how far that would get you.

boomrsoonr

11/20/2006, 07:14 PM

Both the 2003 and 2004 teams would have been at the top had they finished business. I'm not sure the 2000 team is the greatest. We really struggled the last few games that season. I love that team, but they scared the crap out of me, starting with the aTm game.

I can't believe I'm going to say this. But I have to give credit where credit is due. I believe the 2005 wHorn team was better than our 2000 team.

There. I said it. Now I'm going to go throw up and then gargle with gasoline.

poke4christ

11/20/2006, 07:23 PM

I don't think UT would take up too many slots on the Top 10 Big 8 teams of all time.

Good point. I was talking more overall though.

soonernation

11/20/2006, 07:26 PM

OU '03 = K-State '98

OU 96 = the history of OSU football.

Big Red Ron

11/20/2006, 07:31 PM

You don't think the 2001 defense was equal, or even better? They allowed less points and had to be out on the field a lot more often due to that inept offense.You might have a point but OU shut out "The Geatest Offense in History." to win the NC that year and on the way beat #1 & #2 in back to back weeks. 2001 didn't have Rocky either.

snp

11/20/2006, 07:34 PM

Yea, that OB speaks volumes about how great the defense was. Statistics can only go so far.

TopDawg

11/20/2006, 07:52 PM

You might have a point but OU shut out "The Geatest Offense in History." to win the NC that year and on the way beat #1 & #2 in back to back weeks. 2001 didn't have Rocky either.

But that offense was without their biggest playmaker at WR. It may not have made a difference, but it probably would have.

That 2001 group was incredible.

Big Red Ron

11/20/2006, 08:02 PM

Yeah that 2000 FSU team only had two other Pro Bowl WR's. Some guy that plays for Green Bay now too.

Octavian

11/20/2006, 08:29 PM

1. Oklahoma 2000

2. Texas 2005

3. Nebraska 1997

4. Oklahoma 2003

5. Oklahoma 2004

6. Kansas St. 1998

7. Texas 2004

8. Kansas St. 2000

9. Nebraska 2001

10. Nebraska 1999

StormySooner-IN

11/20/2006, 08:49 PM

snp

11/20/2006, 08:55 PM

You're 14 and you use better punctuation than most 50-year old posters.

But to be fair, these computers probably confuse them.

StormySooner-IN

11/20/2006, 09:03 PM

You're 14 and you use better punctuation than most 50-year old posters.

But to be fair, these computers probably confuse them.
True, or the whorns are implanting viruses on us!:eek: ;)

Nah, they don't have the knowledge of the Sooners to do that.:D

OU Adonis

11/20/2006, 10:18 PM

OU had better defenses under the Switzer era.

sooneron

11/20/2006, 10:30 PM

4. Oklahoma 2003

5. Oklahoma 2004

One question, so you're saying an OU team without AD is better than an OU with AD?

Is this based on the ut/atm scores? Just curious what the criteria was.

BIG_IKE

11/20/2006, 10:39 PM

Hey..here is a trivia question.

How many games has OU lost in the last 3 seasons when Adrian Peterson did NOT PLAY???

BIG_IKE

11/20/2006, 10:47 PM

OVer the last 2 Seasons...

SOONERS WITH AD (11-6)
SOONERS WITHOUT (6-0)

boomrsoonr

11/20/2006, 10:51 PM

OVer the last 2 Seasons...

SOONERS WITH AD (11-6)
SOONERS WITHOUT (6-0)

Wow. Coincidence? Or a telling stat. Think maybe the whole team was relying too much on AD to win it for them?

BIG_IKE

11/20/2006, 11:06 PM

Maybe so...I think maybe guys KNEW they had to step up and perform. Only the guys on the team REALLY know though..

sooneron

11/20/2006, 11:10 PM

Well, four of those losses last year, we were a pretty average to crappy team. I'm not sure if you can count last year's loss to texas as an AD game.

Octavian

11/20/2006, 11:19 PM

One question, so you're saying an OU team without AD is better than an OU with AD?

Is this based on the ut/atm scores? Just curious what the criteria was.

yeah, I thought about that one....that seems weird but I'd put '03 on top.

The '03 defense was loaded across the board (three national award winners) and completely dominated opponents. The '04 D had a pretty weak secondary for the second half of the season and then got...well, you know.

The '03 offense didn't have AD, but we were still averaging 48 pts/game going into KC.

In '03, we were destroying teams (ucla, texas, pokie, aggy, sand aggy) until the meltdown - and we were still this close to winning another NC anyway.

In '04, we had to slip past some teams (pokie, aggy) before the meltdown

2003 is really the one that got away.

sooneron

11/20/2006, 11:20 PM

yeah, I thought about that one....that seems weird but I'd put '03 on top.

The '03 defense was loaded across the board (three national award winners) and and completely dominated opponents. The '04 D had a pretty weak secondary for the second half of the season and then got...well, you know.

The '03 offense didn't have AD, but we were still averaging 48 pts/game going into KC.

In '03, we were destroying teams (ucla, texas, pokie, aggy, sand aggy) until the meltdown - and we were still this close to winning another NC anyway.

In '04, we had to slip past some teams (pokie, aggy) before the meltdown

2003 is really the one that got away.

Fair enough.

soonerboy_odanorth

11/21/2006, 01:28 PM

I can't believe I'm going to say this. But I have to give credit where credit is due. I believe the 2005 wHorn team was better than our 2000 team.

There. I said it. Now I'm going to go throw up and then gargle with gasoline.

...and I've got a match to help with that... ;)

2005 TU offense only > 2000 OU offense only

OU 2000 defense and special teams > 2005 TU defense and special teams

OU 2000 coaching > TU 2005 coaching (Though I know the unwashed orange would love to argue this... but if we look at comparative difficulties they had to be overcome... the ranked teams, the variety of schemes faced, the locales of games played, the nod has to go to OU, even if just slightly.)

caphorns

11/21/2006, 01:50 PM

cvsooner

11/21/2006, 02:37 PM

yeah, I thought about that one....that seems weird but I'd put '03 on top.

The '03 defense was loaded across the board (three national award winners) and completely dominated opponents. The '04 D had a pretty weak secondary for the second half of the season and then got...well, you know.

The '03 offense didn't have AD, but we were still averaging 48 pts/game going into KC.

In '03, we were destroying teams (ucla, texas, pokie, aggy, sand aggy) until the meltdown - and we were still this close to winning another NC anyway.

In '04, we had to slip past some teams (pokie, aggy) before the meltdown

2003 is really the one that got away.

Bob Stoops has made only two genuinely bad coaching decisions in my opinion. Why we ran four straight passes in the LSU game when we could not be stopped on the run game late in the fourth quarter, I'll never understand.

The other bad decision was yanking Thompson last year after one game. Admittedly he played poorly but...just imagine where he'd be now.

Octavian

11/21/2006, 02:38 PM

Top 3 are out of order IMO. NU 97 #1, TX 05 #2, OU 00 #3. Not meaning to take anything away from OU's championship team (esp given the audience) but beating OSU at the Shoe and then facing up to an undefeated USC team going for a three-peat NC was just a bigger year. There may not, however, have been a more overachieving bunch than your 2000 squad. They were great. Obviously, I have to concede NU 97.

Otherwise, I can't think of too many better teams in the history of the conference. Good list.

eh, a good argument can be made for any of the top 3.

'97 Nebraska - through no fault of their own, they had to split the title with Michigan after trouncing Peyton and the Vols in the OB...but they shouldn't be confused w/ the '95 team....Frosty was great but he was no Frazier...they needed the miraculous bicycle-kick for a score to beat Mizzou.

05 Texas - the Shoe win, the Rose Bowl classic, VY's awesome year...but the conference competition wasn't that good. Probably wouldn't have mattered.

'00 OU - Maybe the best month-long run ever...In October we beat #11 (IIRC) Texas, #2 K-State in Manhattan, and #1 Nebraska...After that we had to beat K-State again before manhandling defending champ Florida St.

You'd probably get a different top spot on SF.com, hornfans, and huskerpedia....that's cool.

If '00 Oklahoma met '05 Texas...both healthy...both playing their best game...on a neutral field....it'd be a helluva game. That D was nasty...we wouldn't shut you out like FSU or anyting...but I don't think you'd be scoring 41 points.

Octavian

11/21/2006, 02:40 PM

Bob Stoops has made only two genuinely bad coaching decisions in my opinion. Why we ran four straight passes in the LSU game when we could not be stopped on the run game late in the fourth quarter, I'll never understand.

The other bad decision was yanking Thompson last year after one game. Admittedly he played poorly but...just imagine where he'd be now.

the latter I agree with...the former was Chuck Long's brainchild.

Pepper

11/21/2006, 10:40 PM

Consider the strength of the conference in 2000 versus 2005. Texas' conference wins in 2005 were no where near as impressive since the conference didn't have more than 1 top 10 team. Now look at the gauntlet OU had to face in 2000, beating a very tough K-State team twice, both away games. Beating Nebraska and Texas too. On the road at A&M and OSU.

goingoneight

11/21/2006, 11:10 PM

All things considered, UT 2005 vs OU in 2000. Could there really be a better argument? I, for one, never thought Wonderlic would escape the shoe, and thought several times in the Rose Bowl that the next USC score would be the last we'd hear of a VY championship. UT was an incredible effort in 2005, but we're talking a game of X's and O's. A Texas offense that was shut out a year earlier by one of OUr weaker defenses under Stoops, versus one of the strongest defenses ever???

To be fair, how does an injured Josh Heupel overcome the constant Texas blitzing and bashing they delivered all season long on opposing QB's? Remember, Texas fans, OU also had Jason White and Nate Hyble on OUr roster in 2000 backing up OUr main man. And I think they turned out alright... Take out Heupel, deal with the Heisman, who BTW had a perfect record against Texas.

Battle this one all night long, admit it... that game would still be in overtime to this day and hour. That is, until OUr deep-snapper snafu'd or VY tossed a forward lateral to kill a drive.

Indy Sooner

11/21/2006, 11:57 PM

2000 OU's Defense might have been the best EVAR at OU. Which means it might have been the best defense EVAR in CF.

I doubt 97 Neb could beat 2000 OU five out of ten times.

I don't have a computer simulation, but the '97 Husker squad was strong.

FWIW: http://www.cfrc.com/Archives/Top_200_2005.htm

Big Red Ron

11/21/2006, 11:59 PM

2000 OU > 1997 Neb > 2005 ut

Big Red Ron

11/22/2006, 12:05 AM

Forcing Weinke's fumble one key play
By Joe Wojciechowski
ESPN.com

MIAMI -- The Sooners said this was just their regular defense.
The scoreboard said something entirely different.
http://espn.go.com/media/ncf/2001/0103/photo/a_weinke_i.jpgThe game turned decidedly in OU's favor when Rocky Calmus forced Chris Weinke to fumble at the FSU 10-yard line.
Oklahoma won the national championship in the FedEx Orange Bowl thanks to a defense that did the unthinkable, shutting out the Florida State offense for the first time since 1988.
"I was shocked," said FSU coach Bobby Bowden. "They whipped us on the running game and whipped up bad. I would have never thought they could do it."
No one did. Except Oklahoma, 13-2 winners when the night was over.
That's why even though the Sooners were winning 6-0 midway through the fourth quarter and the Seminoles were on their own 10-yard line, it seemed like any minute they would make the play to take control of the game.
The play was made, but it was by the Oklahoma defense. Cornerback Ontei Jones blitzed, leapt and narrowly missed FSU quarterback Chris Weinke, who took off running up the middle of the field. OU linebacker Rocky Calmus then tackled Weinke from behind, popping the ball loose and Roy Williams jumped on it for Oklahoma.
Two plays later, Quentin Griffin ran 10 yards for the back-breaking touchdown.
"It was our regular defense. I blitzed, came free and jumped, but Weinke made a good play to get free, but my teammates took over from there," Jones said. "It went good for us."
Just like everything else did Wednesday night for Oklahoma. The Sooners shut down the offense that was ranked No 1 in passing and total offense and No. 3 in scoring offense in the nation. This is an offense that does the intimidating, not the other way around.
"They started getting confused after we hit them in the mouth. They're not used to that," said defensive back J.T. Thatcher. "They usually scare other teams, so they weren't used to that."
And while the Sooners defense won't say they played the perfect game -- modesty or fear of coach Bob Stoops prevents that -- don't think they didn't know what was going on.
"Every call we had on defense went according to plan," Thatcher said. "It's a great feeling to know they can't stop you if you execute. We focused on the prize and that was the national championship. We wanted it more and did what we had to do."
And that was nothing new to the Sooners.

Big Red Ron

11/22/2006, 12:07 AM

Shut down
Sooners keep explosive FSU offense off the board

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/images/misc/bullet_sm.gifClick here for more on this story (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2000/bowls/news/2001/01/03/orange_oudefense_ap/#more)Posted: Thursday January 04, 2001 12:42 AM
Updated: Thursday January 04, 2001 5:17 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2000/bowls/news/2001/01/03/orange_oudefense_ap/t1_marshall_all-01.jpg (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2000/bowls/news/2001/01/03/orange_oudefense_ap/lg_marshall_all-01.html) Torrance Marshall anchored a stingy Sooner defense. Brian Bahr/Allsport

MIAMI (AP) -- Torrance Marshall, Rocky Calmus and the rest of Oklahoma's defenders never doubted themselves -- even if almost everyone else did.
In a dominant display, the No. 1 Sooners frustrated Heisman Trophy winner Chris Weinke and the top offense in the country, beating Florida State 13-2 in the Orange Bowl on Wednesday night to take the national championship.
Only a bad snap over punter Jeff Ferguson's head in the final minute, which resulted in a safety, prevented Oklahoma from handing the third-ranked Seminoles their first shutout since 1988.
"I think we had confidence right from the get-go, right when we found out who we were going to play," co-defensive coordinator Brent Venables said. "We just did a variety of things."
As expected, the Seminoles came out throwing. And when Weinke hit Atrews Bell for a 35-yard completion on the first play of the game, Florida State fans started shouting and the Seminoles' band began blaring the school's famous war chant. It would be the last time all night they would be so loud.

By the time Ontei Jones picked off Weinke's pass in the end zone with 16 seconds left, it was all over and the Sooners' band had struck up several choruses of "Oklahoma."
Marshall wound up as the Orange Bowl MVP after making six tackles and coming up with an interception.
"Everybody doubted us all year, but this is a great group of football players here," he said.
"It was a national championship game," he said. "You either go home with a piece of jewelry or you go home sad. Everyone wanted to go home with some jewelry."
Marshall even had a few words for Weinke before kickoff.
"I tried to intimidate from the coin toss. I told Chris Weinke that he stole my boy's trophy," Marshall, referring to Heisman runner-up Josh Heupel of Oklahoma.
Said Weinke: "We couldn't seem to click or get on a roll."
Calmus made a key play, forcing Weinke to fumble near his own 20 midway through the fourth quarter. Roy Williams recovered for the Sooners and they quickly scored a touchdown that made it 13-0.
"Great preparation, great game plan, great DBs," said Calmus, an All-American linebacker. "We just had to get into our comfort zone and relax. We knew it would be a defensive game."
Earlier in the quarter, Derrick Strait batted down Weinke's fourth-down pass deep in Sooners' territory when it was 6-0.
"We basically expected it. We didn't expect to do what we did, but we expected to win," Strait said.
A perfect defensive effort for the only perfect team in the nation. And it was done against a team averaging more than 42 points and was tops in the country with 549 yards per game.
"We simply could get nothing going offensively," Florida State coach Bobby Bowden said. "They did a great job of confusing us defensively."
Calmus and Marshall roved all over the field from their linebacker spots to shut down the Seminoles. The secondary, led by Williams, stopped any chance Weinke had to throw deep while the defensive line more than held its own against Florida State's front wall.
Weinke finished 25-for-51 and threw two interceptions. Star running back Travis Minor was reduced to 20 yards on 13 carries.
In all, a total of 301 yards for the Seminoles. They were minus their top receiver, All-American Snoop Minnis, who was academically ineligible.
"I was frustrated, Chris was frustrated. They did a good job frustrating all of us," Florida State offensive coordinator Mark Richt said.
Florida State has not been blanked since Miami beat them 31-0 in the 1988 season opener. Though the Seminoles avoided that embarrassment, the offense did nothing in a loss that cost them a share of their second straight national championship.
Besides, to Sooners coach Bob Stoops, those late two points did nothing to diminish what his team accomplished.
"Are you kidding me?" he said. "Our defense, everyone recognizes, still had a shutout."
Strait, though, wanted to see a "0" on the scoreboard. "Yeah I was disappointed, but you can't be choosy. You have to take what you get," he said.