RANKINGS OUT: 13 in AP, 14 in USA Today

[SoonerStormchaser]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

Meechigan stays #2!

[colinreturn]

aghh BCS

1 ohio st
2 Michigain
3 USC
4 Florida
5 Notredame




Michigan already had their chance, they lost

[IronSooner]

Lloyd Carr will not beat Tressel again this year and next year is a coin flip at best. tOSU/UM again would be a waste of time.

[yermom]

Lloyd Carr will not beat Tressel again this year and next year is a coin flip at best. tOSU/UM again would be a waste of time.

they lost by 3 in the 'Shoe, i'm not sure why you would think that

they are closer to #1 than they are #3

1 Ohio State 12-0 1 2850 .982 1 1575 .999 .930 1 .977
2 Michigan 11-1 3 2600 .943 3 1428 .961 1.000 2 .974
3 USC 9-1 2 2621 .862 2 1444 .872 .860 7 .870
4 Florida 10-1 4 2531 .856 4 1407 .877 .800 4 .850
5 Notre Dame 10-1 5 2347 .795 6 1285 .808 .840 9 .819

Florida and USC need to win convincingly to steal some votes, they need to be rooting for some of their opponents too...

[Octavian]

If I was a Buckeye fan, I definetly wouldn't want to play Michigan again on a neutral field for all the marbles.

Bowl rematches usually don't go too well for the regular season winner.

[SoonerMX]

Looks like we are 15th, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/bcs/ I know we would beat at least 5+ of the teams ahead of us by double digits. I figured we would move to 13th at least.

[MamaMia]

Maybe Michigan can play Ohio State again and if they win this time, they can both be champions twice in one year.

[yermom]

it wasn't completely updated...

1 Ohio State 12-0 1 2850 1.000 1 1575 1.000 1.000 1 1.000
2 Michigan 11-1 3 2600 .912 3 1428 .907 .960 2 .926
3 USC 9-1 2 2621 .920 2 1444 .917 .920 3 .919
4 Florida 10-1 4 2531 .888 4 1407 .893 .870 4 .884
5 Notre Dame 10-1 5 2347 .824 6 1285 .816 .820 5 .820
6 Arkansas 10-1 6 2345 .823 5 1302 .827 .770 7 .807

things are a lot closer, politicing can do a lot at this point

[Octavian]

BCS Standings: 11/19


1 Ohio State Buckeyes 12-0 1 2,850 1.000 1 1,575 1.000 1.000 1.000 1
2 Michigan Wolverines 11-1 3 2,600 .912 3 1,428 .907 .960 .926 2
3 USC Trojans 9-1 2 2,621 .920 2 1,444 .917 .920 .919 3
4 Florida Gators 10-1 4 2,531 .888 4 1,407 .893 .870 .884 4
5 Notre Dame Fighting Irish 10-1 5 2,347 .824 6 1,285 .816 .820 .820 5
6 Arkansas Razorbacks 10-1 6 2,345 .823 5 1,302 .827 .770 .807 7
7 West Virginia Mountaineers 9-1 7 2,051 .720 7 1,151 .731 .700 .717 8
8 Wisconsin Badgers 11-1 9 1,888 .662 9 1,053 .669 .710 .680 9
9 Louisville Cardinals 9-1 10 1,857 .652 11 944 .599 .780 .677 10
10 LSU Tigers 9-2 8 1,889 .663 8 1,081 .686 .580 .643 11
11 Boise State Broncos 11-0 12 1,609 .565 12 862 .547 .580 .564 12
12 Auburn Tigers 10-2 13 1,449 .508 13 825 .524 .570 .534 14
13 Texas Longhorns 9-2 11 1,731 .607 10 994 .631 .360 .533 13
14 Rutgers Scarlet Knights 9-1 15 1,270 .446 16 641 .407 .590 .481 6
15 Oklahoma Sooners 9-2 14 1,404 .493 14 795 .505 .270 .423 17

Gordon Riese < Jar Jar Binks

[TXBOOMER]

Mich had their chance and couldn't get it done. It was 42 -31 until the late score. You guys that want Mich in the NC game must think noter dane is great. That is the only good win Mich has this year. F the Big 10!

On a good note. If we win next week and OUr bowl game we should end up in the top 10.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I have a headache.

[Widescreen]

Gordon Riese < Jar Jar Binks
Wow! That's low!

[mrowl]

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83382&page=2

[soonerkaufmanII]

How does Notre Dame jump Arkansas? Looks like they're setting up matchups to me. I would much rather see the SEC champ play for the national championship. Southern Cal doesn't deserve a shot nor does Michigan, and Notre Dame is highly overrated.

[noobalicious]

As far as BCS goes

I see the SEC sending 2 teams, Pac 10 - 1, Big 10 - 2, Big 12 (not counting us) - 1, ACC - 1, Crappy Conferences - 1, Big East - 1...which adds up to 9 spots.

ND will probably get the 10th.

We are too far behind to make it up now. So it's lookin like the Cotton Bowl unless the whorns screw up (which would be pretty hilarious).

Now if we DIDN'T have the loss to Oregon on our record...we'd be able to compete with the SEC at-large and the stupid Domers.

In fact if ND is ranked in the top 8 in the final standings they get an automatic berth.

We will probably play the second team out of the SEC West, which is looking more and more like Auburn since they have 2 losses with no more games and LSU is tied with them but they have to play Arkansas yet. If LSU wins that game...we'll probably play them.

So be mad at the Oregon refs, and be mad at the pollsters for not looking at us as a 1 loss team and be mad at the computers who apparently think we're just slightly better than Penn State and Wake.

[Dio]

BCS Standings: 11/19

1 Ohio State Buckeyes 12-0 1 2,850 1.000 1 1,575 1.000 1.000 1.000 1
2 Michigan Wolverines 11-1 3 2,600 .912 3 1,428 .907 .960 .926 2
3 USC Trojans 9-1 2 2,621 .920 2 1,444 .917 .920 .919 3
4 Florida Gators 10-1 4 2,531 .888 4 1,407 .893 .870 .884 4
5 Notre Dame Fighting Irish 10-1 5 2,347 .824 6 1,285 .816 .820 .820 5
6 Arkansas Razorbacks 10-1 6 2,345 .823 5 1,302 .827 .770 .807 7
7 West Virginia Mountaineers 9-1 7 2,051 .720 7 1,151 .731 .700 .717 8
8 Wisconsin Badgers 11-1 9 1,888 .662 9 1,053 .669 .710 .680 9
9 Louisville Cardinals 9-1 10 1,857 .652 11 944 .599 .780 .677 10
10 LSU Tigers 9-2 8 1,889 .663 8 1,081 .686 .580 .643 11
11 Boise State Broncos 11-0 12 1,609 .565 12 862 .547 .580 .564 12
12 Auburn Tigers 10-2 13 1,449 .508 13 825 .524 .570 .534 14
13 Texas Longhorns 9-2 11 1,731 .607 10 994 .631 .360 .533 13
14 Rutgers Scarlet Knights 9-1 15 1,270 .446 16 641 .407 .590 .481 6
15 Oklahoma Sooners 9-2 14 1,404 .493 14 795 .505 .270 .423 17

Looks bad, but because of the 2-teams-per-conference limit, we're very close. If this was the final ranking, LSU, Auburn, Rutgers, and Wisconsin are all out because there are two teams from their conferences ranked higher. And, I can't imagine 2 teams from the Big Least making the BCS, so toss out Louisville- we're effectively 10th, with 10 BCS positions available.

[BermudaSooner]

I can't believe we are behind Rutgers.

[noobalicious]

Looks bad, but because of the 2-teams-per-conference limit, we're very close. If this was the final ranking, LSU, Auburn, Rutgers, and Wisconsin are all out because there are two teams from their conferences ranked higher. And, I can't imagine 2 teams from the Big Least making the BCS, so toss out Louisville- we're effectively 10th, with 10 BCS positions available.

I had thought the same thing...but the ACC doesn't have any teams ahead of us and their conference champ is guaranteed a berth. So we'd be at 11...just out of the picture.

[MiccoMacey]

If Notre Dame loses to USC, their two losses will be to two teams ranked in the top three. I doubt they drop, if at all.

If USC loses to Notre Dame, they will have one loss to a top three team, and one to a nobody. But they are still conference champs, so it wouldn't matter.

[stoopified]

Still not bad considering all the obstacles we have had to overcme.

[noobalicious]

There are basically 4 scenarios for us to get a BCS bowl.

1. We win the Big XII title: Obviously this requires some help from the Aggies. If they defeat Texas on Friday in Austin then we head to the Big XII championship game. Then we would need to beat Nebraska, which I think is entirely possible. Overall this is not EXTREMELY probable...but it is probably our best shot! If Nebraska and TTech hadn't choked against the whorns earlier this year we would be talking right now about how we're in the drivers seat.

2. Steal an at-large bid that would have originally been Boise State's automatic bid: This requires Boise State to lose to Nevada Saturday afternoon. It IS at Nevada and Nevada IS 8-3...not entirely shabby. So far against the other two top teams in the WAC this season, Boise State was taken down to the wire (41-34 over Hawaii and 23-20 over SJSU). It's not too probable either...but we would be next in line to steal Boise's spot if they manage to lose.

3. Beating out an at-large SEC team or at-large Big-10 team for one of those spots: It is impossible for us to be chosen over Michigan who is locked for the Rose Bowl pretty much right now...or perhaps the MNC. We would probably need to beat out the loser of the SEC championship game Fla-Ark. This would probably require two losses in a row by whoever would lose the championship game. Ergo Florida would need to lose to FSU then the championship game OR Arkansas would need to lose to LSU and then to Florida. However Arkansas losing to LSU may propel LSU to the at-large bid...and I don't think we would want that. Basically we need FSU to pull off a huge upset, Arkansas to beat LSU, and then Arkansas to embarrass Florida in the championship game. Now this is POSSIBLE. The Fla-FSU game is in Tallahassee. Arkansas beating LSU would make them a 3 loss team and probably drop them behind us with no remaining games. Arkansas beating Fla would make Fla a 3 loss team as well...with an upset loss to an unranked team. I think this is a major long shot.

4. Beating out ND for an at-large bid: This just seems virtually impossible. ND has one game remaining and its against the #3 team. If they lose I don't see them dropping out of the top-8 which would give them an automatic nod. They would need to get EMBARRASSED and make the pollsters recall them almost losing to Mich St. and UCLA. If they wind up at 9-14 in the final standings...we would be compared against them for an at large bid...with their two losses coming against two top 5 teams. I don't see us getting it over ND because of that.

Anything else would not get us a BCS bid and we'll be headed to the Cotton Bowl MOST LIKELY against Auburn.

[Indy Sooner]

There are basically 4 scenarios for us to get a BCS bowl.

1. We win the Big XII title: Obviously this requires some help from the Aggies. If they defeat Texas on Friday in Austin then we head to the Big XII championship game. Then we would need to beat Nebraska, which I think is entirely possible. Overall this is not EXTREMELY probable...but it is probably our best shot! If Nebraska and TTech hadn't choked against the whorns earlier this year we would be talking right now about how we're in the drivers seat.

2. Steal an at-large bid that would have originally been Boise State's automatic bid: This requires Boise State to lose to Nevada Saturday afternoon. It IS at Nevada and Nevada IS 8-3...not entirely shabby. So far against the other two top teams in the WAC this season, Boise State was taken down to the wire (41-34 over Hawaii and 23-20 over SJSU). It's not too probable either...but we would be next in line to steal Boise's spot if they manage to lose.

3. Beating out an at-large SEC team or at-large Big-10 team for one of those spots: It is impossible for us to be chosen over Michigan who is locked for the Rose Bowl pretty much right now...or perhaps the MNC. We would probably need to beat out the loser of the SEC championship game Fla-Ark. This would probably require two losses in a row by whoever would lose the championship game. Ergo Florida would need to lose to FSU then the championship game OR Arkansas would need to lose to LSU and then to Florida. However Arkansas losing to LSU may propel LSU to the at-large bid...and I don't think we would want that. Basically we need FSU to pull off a huge upset, Arkansas to beat LSU, and then Arkansas to embarrass Florida in the championship game. Now this is POSSIBLE. The Fla-FSU game is in Tallahassee. Arkansas beating LSU would make them a 3 loss team and probably drop them behind us with no remaining games. Arkansas beating Fla would make Fla a 3 loss team as well...with an upset loss to an unranked team. I think this is a major long shot.

4. Beating out ND for an at-large bid: This just seems virtually impossible. ND has one game remaining and its against the #3 team. If they lose I don't see them dropping out of the top-8 which would give them an automatic nod. They would need to get EMBARRASSED and make the pollsters recall them almost losing to Mich St. and UCLA. If they wind up at 9-14 in the final standings...we would be compared against them for an at large bid...with their two losses coming against two top 5 teams. I don't see us getting it over ND because of that.

Anything else would not get us a BCS bid and we'll be headed to the Cotton Bowl MOST LIKELY against Auburn.

Good post... I think of the four scenarios, your #2 is most likely. I is certainly possible for Nevada to win that game. Although the line will probably favor Boise State, it is a pick 'em game.

[Dio]

I had thought the same thing...but the ACC doesn't have any teams ahead of us and their conference champ is guaranteed a berth. So we'd be at 11...just out of the picture.

Ah, I figured I was forgetting something.

[SoonerJason]

ok help me out..

West Virginia loses to Louisville
Louisville loses to Rutgers
Rutgers loses to Cinni.

but their rankings are reversed.. ok

[KingDavid]

I had thought the same thing...but the ACC doesn't have any teams ahead of us and their conference champ is guaranteed a berth. So we'd be at 11...just out of the picture.

We really need Louiville to drop one more game just to be safe. The voters and selection committees cannot be trusted to remember the Oregon scew-job.

[sooneron]

We really need Louiville to drop one more game just to be safe. The voters and selection committees cannot be trusted to remember the Oregon scew-job.
I am not sure the selection committee has a lot of confidence in how well the vile travels.

[FourKings]

I thought this was really gonna be a complaining thread, looks like evryone has basically eccepted that we shoulda kicked hell out of duck......our own undoing so to say....by not handling up on it and keeping the refs out of it.

ND is gonna be in win or lose cause they travel well and TV is high for them on top of it, bottom line, two losses wont matter for them right.....and they have lost to some top teams, wont kill thier bcs chances.

We have to have losses from FLA and TEX, cause I cant stand either of them lol...kinda cheering for the root hogs actually, that nutt seems to pull out the stops to win and I like that! God, I have to pull for aggie......whats the world coming to when you have to pull for fran to win a big game! Thats where our best chance lies, not much tho if you look at it, aggie cant throw it very well, or doesnt try much, so that big *** truck they have is gonna have to have a monster game!

[MiccoMacey]

McGee is a better passer than most think he is. And Texas' secondary will make him look better than that.

They can claim they have great db's, but the stats say differently. They can be beat, and often.

I don't think A&M wins, but I bet A&M does better passing than most think he will.

And remember Fran has consistently had some sort of trick plays. OU vs Alabama in 2002, and OU vs. TAMU in 2004 ring a bell? He'll have something up his sleeve.

[Boise State Penguin]

There's no way OU is getting into the BCS.

We will make sure of it!!!!

[FourKings]

McGee is a better passer than most think he is. And Texas' secondary will make him look better than that.

They can claim they have great db's, but the stats say differently. They can be beat, and often.

I don't think A&M wins, but I bet A&M does better passing than most think he will.

And remember Fran has consistently had some sort of trick plays. OU vs Alabama in 2002, and OU vs. TAMU in 2004 ring a bell? He'll have something up his sleeve.

I respect McGee, he's pretty solid, havent seen him throw it enough to really judge is all Im sayin. But still, Fran seems to choke for some reason, I hope they beat Tex OFTEN, that is if Fran is willing to let the damn ball loose! But I doubt it.....go aggie just doesnt seem to roll out there very well tho.....

[OklahomaRed]

Big 10 is overrated. I think Michigan getting into the BCS championship game is a slap in the face to the SEC. Whoever comes out of the SEC this year should get the shot at the title. Michigan had their shot and blew it. What if OSU beats Michigan by another field goal (which in actuality they out played them big time)? Does Michigan deserve to stay ahead of other teams? They haven't played anybody except a weak Notre Dame team. I think all the other conferences should have to play a conference championship game just like the Big 12 and SEC does. That would fix that problem about wanting a rematch at a neutral field. There are a bunch of teams out there that would like a rematch. How about a rematch with Oregon? How about a rematch with Texas? If that was the case, we all could be undefeated. I think the media needs to get a grip and look at strength of schedule and quit giving the Big 10 the big 10 inch oral job ! :D