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Ruuuuuufus
11/17/2006, 07:57 PM
First the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JGlvEcPmug


UCLA student stunned by Taser plans suit
By Stuart Silverstein, Times Staff Writer
November 17, 2006

The UCLA student stunned with a Taser by a campus police officer has hired a high-profile civil rights lawyer who plans to file a brutality lawsuit.

The videotaped incident, which occurred after the student refused requests to show his ID card to campus officers, triggered widespread debate on and off campus Thursday about whether use of the Taser was warranted. It was the third in a recent series of local incidents captured on video that raise questions about arrest tactics.

Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit accusing the UCLA police of "brutal excessive force," as well as false arrest. The lawyer also provided the first public account of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library from the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 23-year-old senior.

He said that Tabatabainejad, when asked for his ID after 11 p.m. Tuesday, declined because he thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Yagman said Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S.-born resident of Los Angeles.

The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling. After police started firing the Taser, Tabatabainejad tried to "get the beating, the use of brutal force, to stop by shouting and causing people to watch. Generally, police don't want to do their dirties in front of a lot of witnesses."

He said Tabatabainejad was hit by the Taser five times and suffered "moderate to severe contusions" on his right side.

UCLA officials declined to respond directly to Yagman's statements, saying they still were conducting their internal investigation of the incident.

The university said earlier, however, that Tabatabainejad was asked for his ID as part of a routine nightly procedure to make sure that everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials have said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.

UCLA also said that Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by a community service officer and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave. UCLA said the police decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad only after the student urged other library patrons to join his resistance.

Some witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.

In a prepared statement released late Thursday, UCLA's interim chancellor, Norman Abrams, urged the public to "withhold judgment" while the campus police department investigates. "I, too, have watched the videos, and I do not believe that one can make a fair judgment regarding the matter from the videos alone. I am encouraged that a number of witnesses have come forward and are participating in the investigation."

Meanwhile, student activists were organizing a midday rally today to protest the incident, and the Southern California office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called for an independent investigation.

The incident follows the recent announcement that four of the campus police department's nearly 60 full-time sworn officers had won so-called Taser Awards granted by the manufacturer of the device to "law enforcement officers who save a life in the line of duty through extraordinary use of the Taser." The award stemmed from an incident in which officers subdued a patient who allegedly threatened staff at the campus' Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors.

Jeff Young, assistant police chief, declined to indicate whether any of the honored officers were among the several involved in Tuesday's incident.


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-ucla17nov17,1,4599352.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

Ike
11/18/2006, 12:43 AM
Interesting. As disturbing as the video is, it provides little or no context. The context given in the story though indicates that they probably used the best option available to them given the policies they are supposed to follow. IMO, the only way the student has a leg to stand on is if he can prove that he was singled out unfairly, which would seem difficult to do.

SicEmBaylor
11/18/2006, 01:17 AM
I'm having difficult figuring out why either singling him out because of his race or tasering him becuase he refused to cooperate with many many warnings is a problem.

StoopTroup
11/18/2006, 02:00 AM
It just goes to show you that you should always bring those books back on time or suffer the consequences.

SicEmBaylor
11/18/2006, 02:01 AM
Thanks mom and dad for sending me to UCLA and not Kent State!
WHEW!

CORNholio
11/18/2006, 02:28 AM
is it just me or was that guy throwing a hissy fit? I mean I usually side against the govt. and believe the police generally abuse their power but this guy was freaking out like a little girl. Guess thats just Cali for ya.

Ike
11/18/2006, 02:58 AM
is it just me or was that guy throwing a hissy fit? I mean I usually side against the govt. and believe the police generally abuse their power but this guy was freaking out like a little girl. Guess thats just Cali for ya.


I'm with you, but then in his defense, I've never been tasered either...perhaps screaming like a little girl is warranted in that situation.

SoonerInFla
11/18/2006, 03:06 AM
Some witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.

He said Tabatabainejad was hit by the Taser five times and suffered "moderate to severe contusions" on his right side.

Looks like an instant millionaire to me. Is it OK to use a taser on people you allready have cuffed? Seems like there was enough security there to drag him outside once they had him cuffed without having to run some more juice through him. Not saying he didn't deserve it but that will be an expensive adventure for UCLA.

CORNholio
11/18/2006, 03:20 AM
whatever happened to just being a smart asss to the "man". Just to remind those hallmoniters who's cooler. A good ole american smartassing never hurt anybody. I say this spas got what was coming to him, albiet I hate to see the cops get any credit for this because they are equally as spastastic. Why is everybody always trying to make a federal case out of bullshiit. Shouldn't you be more conserned with getting some and grabbing some keystone and occasionally making it to class while your in college.
Who gives a **** about profiling? I get profiled because I drive a POS I kinda expect it. But I'm not gonna flip out like a brokenhearted cheerleader.

jk the sooner fan
11/18/2006, 07:52 AM
as a former cop.....i hate the taser....seems to me they use it when they dont need too.....they could have subdued him without using the taser imo

i bet the kid gets rich off this

fadada1
11/18/2006, 07:59 AM
[underacieving ucla student]"hey "alphabetitus", shut the **** up!!!!! i got a 20 page paper due at 8am on the inner workings of the papacy in the late 12th century. this is the library!!!! it's suppose to be quiet in here!!!!! dammit i hate college!!!!! what the hell is he yelling about anyway???? crap.... i'm so screwed!!!!"[underacieving ucla student]

Okla-homey
11/18/2006, 08:07 AM
I say, screw him.

You don't get to refuse police instructions because you think they're racially motivated. Afterwards, you have the right to protest, file a grievance or even sue under section 1983, but first, show them your damn ID. If you refuse to comply with the instructions, you better be prepared to suffer the physical consequences. That's Gandhi/MLK 101.

Punk.

fadada1
11/18/2006, 09:06 AM
I say, screw him.

You don't get to refuse police instructions because you think they're racially motivated. Afterwards, you have the right to protest, file a grievance or even sue under section 1983, but first, show them your damn ID. If you refuse to comply with the instructions, you better be prepared to suffer the physical consequences. That's Gandhi/MLK 101.

Punk.
couldn't agree more.

saw a thing on the LA riots after the rodney king vertict. were they a little excessive with the arrest??? probably. but they mentioned that the events leading up to the tape we all saw were "not so good" for mr. king.

me thinks that this ********* was acting like a tosser from the start (and well before the taping started). i'd hit again with the taser just for good measure.

LilSooner
11/18/2006, 09:14 AM
He probably deserved it, that being said he was restrained and shocked 5 times with a taser, could you walk after being tasered 5 times?

Now remember this is a namby pampy UCLA student.

fadada1
11/18/2006, 09:16 AM
He probably deserved it, that being said he was restrained and shocked 5 times with a taser, could you walk after being tasered 5 times?

Now remember this is a namby pampy UCLA student.
getting hit with that thing would probably motivate me to RUN from it.

BeetDigger
11/18/2006, 09:19 AM
Who else is thankful to not be a news anchor who has to pronounce that name?

StoopTroup
11/18/2006, 09:26 AM
Has anyone ever used a taser during sex?

AlbqSooner
11/18/2006, 10:12 AM
I say, screw him.

You don't get to refuse police instructions because you think they're racially motivated. Afterwards, you have the right to protest, file a grievance or even sue under section 1983, but first, show them your damn ID. If you refuse to comply with the instructions, you better be prepared to suffer the physical consequences. That's Gandhi/MLK 101.

Punk.
Kinda surprises me you take this position. If the article is correct, he was given the option to produce an ID or leave the building. When he attempted to leave the building (one of the options offered) he got juiced.

If you will check, the police have the right to use only such force as is reasonably necessary to effect an arrest. Tasering a handcuffed suspect would take exceptional circumstances to be justified IMO.

I sincerely hope we have not come to the point where an officer of the law can stop someone and demand to see, ". . . your papers."

If the statement attributed to the attorney is accurate, he does not know much about federal civil rights suits.

I have never been tasered, but I have witnessed the practice and I assure you that anyone will scream and writhe like a little girl when the juice hits.

Okla-homey
11/18/2006, 10:19 AM
see my comments imbedded


Kinda surprises me you take this position. If the article is correct, (my experience is that they are all to often inaccurate) he was given the option to produce an ID or leave the building. When he attempted to leave the building (one of the options offered) he got juiced.

If you will check, the police have the right to use only such force as is reasonably necessary to effect an arrest. Tasering a handcuffed suspect would take exceptional circumstances to be justified IMO.

I agree with the "reasonable force" with "probable cause" dealio. Dodn't know he was already cuffed. That said, who really knows what happened? I guess that's why we have trials.

I sincerely hope we have not come to the point where an officer of the law can stop someone and demand to see, ". . . your papers."

I'm a proponent of a national ID. Seriously. The world is just too complicated now. perhaps I'm jaded having had to carry a military ID all those years and metal tags with my name and SSN around my neck. i never felt my freedoms were threatened in so doing.

If the statement attributed to the attorney is accurate, he does not know much about federal civil rights suits.

I have never been tasered, but I have witnessed the practice and I assure you that anyone will scream and writhe like a little girl when the juice hits.

mrowl
11/18/2006, 10:28 AM
That kid is gonna be rich.

If its true that he started walking out, then the cops should be fired.

fadada1
11/18/2006, 10:29 AM
"I'm a proponent of a national ID. Seriously. The world is just too complicated now. perhaps I'm jaded having had to carry a military ID all those years and metal tags with my name and SSN around my neck. i never felt my freedoms were threatened in so doing."

agreed. did the same thing for 4 1/2 years and never once felt like my rights were being violated. it was just part of the game. would it work nationally??? don't know. i don't have a problem showing my ID at a bar, or at the airport, or anywhere else for that matter.

Getem
11/18/2006, 11:51 AM
Based on what I've read, he was asked repeatedly by the librarians and library security to show his student ID or leave, which is common practice after 11 pm. He refused, and campus police were called. As they arrived, he started to leave, but when they grabbed his arm to escort him out, that's when the hissy fit started.

I think they probably should have just carried him out, if he was just going limp. If he was resisting the effort to carry him, then sure, taser away. In either case, I hope he doesn't get rich for throwing a fit. Imagine all the copycat incidents at colleges nationwide if that happens. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some premeditation on his part.

Vaevictis
11/18/2006, 06:29 PM
I'm having difficult figuring out why either singling him out because of his race or tasering him becuase he refused to cooperate with many many warnings is a problem.

Because use of a taser is/should be considered to be relatively high up on the use of force continuum (or whatever it is law enforcement calls it). IIRC, it should be probably around the use of pepper spray, which is just below use of baton and use of firearm, and above just about every "manual" form of control such as arm bars, wrestling, etc.

It causes quite a bit of physical pain, and it can kill you if you're unlucky -- apparently with much higher probability if you're already restrained (ie, being held down or in cuffs, like he apparently was for some of the shocks).

Unless he was fighting back somehow or was presenting a danger to someone -- and going limp doesn't count -- a taser is probably more force than is warranted.

Rogue
11/20/2006, 08:40 PM
I don't understand the repeated hits with the Tazer. Once is perhaps excessive, but several times? Unless he's posing a threat to someone that really seems excessive. The only jobs where you get second-guessed more than law-enforcement must be football coaches, politicians, and the military.