Poke Crybabies

[douxpaysan]

They aren't able to sell tickets so of course they blame us. http://www.o-state.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=472349&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

[sooner518]

Did you ever consider that several thousand of those empty seats were OU fans who purchased the 3-game ****** package? If not, I invite you to do just that.

LOL

[MiccoMacey]

We ARE their biggest supporters.

[Schoonerbeer]

The pokies need to build a bigger stadium so they can be more empty. They will be sold out November 25 with more Crimson in the stands than puke orange!!!!!

[Widescreen]

Can any of you imagine any of these things being true at our home games?


Could have been several factors...
. A poor Baylor team,who dosent draw well.
. Game on TV
. Weather was cool/cold,and could effect some(elderly).
. Early kickoff
. Folks starting to save $$$$ for the holidays
None of that would affect our attendance. Sellout every time baby!

[Big Red Ron]

Saving $$$ for the Hollidays...

That's funny. I'm not sure why but it is.

[OSUAggie]

#1 reason - it's basketball season

[MiccoMacey]

#1 reason - it's wrestling season

'Cause your bball team isn't going to be all that good.

[OSUAggie]

'Cause your bball team isn't going to be all that good.

k...

[Big Red Ron]

Basketball season...that's funny. Hope your coach's fetal alcohol syndrome doesn't hurt his game.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I liked the sig for the guy showing the LosuR pass into the endzone to win the game in Norman. Still living that game. Those guys are pathetic!!!

[afs]

Wasn't there also some Tulsa run or something that a few on here were running in?


so a few thousand poke fans will brave the cold and rain to run a 10k but not attend their college's football game?

[MamaMia]

They allow the visiting team 4000 seats. When that bigger stadium is built, we will have even more Sooners there during what they call the "******" game. I think they should call that game 'When the Gnat meets the Baseball Bat Game'. :D

[mdklatt]

Noooooo, every average Joe can afford $130 a seat for 3 hours of fun. Lucky for me someone was willing to sell their $130 ticket for $20 and I could go. No way can I afford to go to the ****** game though.

Seriously!?

[stoopified]

Can any of you imagine any of these things being true at our home games?


None of that would affect our attendance. Sellout every time baby!Hate to burst your bubble but that hasn't always been the case.I started attending games in the Switzer era and they were not always sellouts.Then of couse there was there was The Lost Decade where sellouts were rare and 2/3 capacity was common. Having said that I do think every home game under Stoops has been a sellout/SRO crowd.

[Crucifax Autumn]

That just proves that when a team sucks people are less likely to go...and when a team sucks, their fans are wussies, and they still relive old games and running backs from the 80s as their only good memories it's even worse.

[Mixer!]

More whining. (http://www.orangepower.com/showthread.php?t=29448)


Heh...."vast?" (http://www.orangepower.com/showpost.php?p=213913&postcount=40)

[Big Red Ron]

I never saw a game not sold out during the Switzer era. Even when we were 7-4.

The Blake Era should have had less sell outs than it did.

[Stoop Dawg]

To summarize:

OSU fans can't afford tickets to one game. However, OU fans are buying 3-game packs by the thousands in order to attend only one game.

Hmmmmm......

[Kels]

Hate to burst your bubble but that hasn't always been the case.I started attending games in the Switzer era and they were not always sellouts.Then of couse there was there was The Lost Decade where sellouts were rare and 2/3 capacity was common. Having said that I do think every home game under Stoops has been a sellout/SRO crowd.

In those days, we were still running 70k+ for home games during the Switzer era and even 60-65k during the reign of darkness. OSU's stadium used to seat ~45k and would have 3-5k empty seats every game. I remember when OSU went to the Alamo bowl, they had 3k empty seats for Homecoming, and it was their best season in years!

[Widescreen]

Hate to burst your bubble but that hasn't always been the case.I started attending games in the Switzer era and they were not always sellouts.Then of couse there was there was The Lost Decade where sellouts were rare and 2/3 capacity was common. Having said that I do think every home game under Stoops has been a sellout/SRO crowd.
No bubble to burst. I was referring to the way things are currently in both programs.

[mdklatt]

More whining. (http://www.orangepower.com/showthread.php?t=29448)



I just cannot see how FLORIDA ATLANTIC was our top attendence for the season so far.


Hee hee!

Wait a minute...wasn't the Nebraska game at Stillwater? That's pathetic.

EDIT: I just figured out why FAU has been the top draw this season. They probably equate beating FAU to beating OU because Smellsofbourbon is the coach. :rolleyes:

[Mixer!]

Uh...you do realize that they beat him back in '95, don't you? :O

[mdklatt]

Uh...you do realize that they beat him back in '95, don't you? :O

And you realize that beating him this year is the same as reliving '95 to them, right? :D

Once a Gooner coach, always a Gooner coach.

[Mixer!]

To that, I can attest. :)

[umberto]

More whining. (http://www.orangepower.com/showthread.php?t=29448)


Actually it's a credit to our intelligence as fans. A. it was Baylor and we trust our team B. it was at 11:30 C. we were hung over from celabrating the first win of the Sean Sutton era

MY GOD! They actually are tricking themselves into thinking that they are intelligent because they don't fill their stadium. I'm speechless... :eek:

[mdklatt]

A. it was Baylor and we trust our team

No need to show up, the team can handle this without us.

It's interesting that they view attending a football game as an obligation.

[Petro-Sooner]

I cant stop laughing!! WOW.

[MikeInNorman]

Uh...you do realize that they beat him back in '95, don't you? :O

And they have the medallions to prove it.

[StoopTroup]

oSuTuba....:eek:

[Crucifax Autumn]

And I thought we said some stupid **** around here!

[picasso]

I don't get the big deal. they've never sold that football stadium out. maybe in the mid 80's. maybe.

[OSUAggie]

I don't get the big deal. they've never sold that football stadium out. maybe in the mid 80's. maybe.

it was worse back then...

[mdklatt]

it was worse back then...

You had worse attendance with Thurmon Thomas and Barry Sanders on the field?? Yikes. Maybe you guys should rethink the notion that you have to be a student or an alumni to be a fan. :D

[OSUAggie]

You had worse attendance with Thurmon Thomas and Barry Sanders on the field?? Yikes. Maybe you guys should rethink the notion that you have to be a student or an alumni to be a fan. :D

nobody wants to cheer for a perennial underachiever that has sporadic history of being decent... if you could put a clip together of heartbreaking moments that led to losses over the past 30 years only for OSU football, it'd be a 5 hour movie... that's just the fax..

[picasso]

You had worse attendance with Thurmon Thomas and Barry Sanders on the field?? Yikes. Maybe you guys should rethink the notion that you have to be a student or an alumni to be a fan. :D
I went to a few games back then that were well attended. especially '83 maybe? when Nebraska was #1.

[OSUAggie]

Yeah, the big games had good crowds... Games against the likes of Baylor did not... the '88 opener against Miami (OH) had about 41,000 there in a 52,000 seat stadium coming off a 10-2 year with 8 or 9 starters back on O (plus Barry Sanders)... There are 35,000 really solid OSU fans that go to all of the home games and the rest of the seats have to be filled by people that want to watch a good game... Even during 0-10-1 there were 30,000 people at almost every game... It's the same people

[bluedogok]

ONLY $295 for a season ticket.......that seems pretty cheap to me in the overall scheme of things.

[MikeInNorman]

ONLY $295 for a season ticket.......that seems pretty cheap to me in the overall scheme of things.

And $100 of that is for the OU game.

[OSUAggie]

ONLY $295 for a season ticket.......that seems pretty cheap to me in the overall scheme of things.

that doesn't include donor fees which may or may not be applicable to those tickets... i think those seats are sold out.... most of the remaining tix not sold are in the north side club, which equal out to something like $500/game

[mdklatt]

most of the remaining tix not sold are in the north side club, which equal out to something like $500/game

Why would you have to pay more to sit in an endzone? :confused:



;)

[OSUAggie]

Why would you have to pay more to sit in an endzone? :confused:



;)

heh, I know, Holder's insane... next thing you know they'll drop the prices in the middle of the west section (after they fill in the massive hole) way below the price of the middle of the south section... ridiculous

[bluedogok]

Remember, its an Aggie field, the north side is the non-pressbox side of the field.

[mdklatt]

Remember, its an Aggie field, the north side is the non-pressbox side of the field.

:les: THAT'S WHAT THE WINKY WAS FOR!

[Sooner_Havok]

Heh, what's funny is we were bitching and moaning a couple of weeks ago when we "only put 84,000 for the ISU game. OUr season low attendance was 50,000+ than their season low attendance. Are there even 50,000 pukes in the world?

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

Heck I don't do
Starbucks in order to afford to take my family of four to all the games.

I thought Cowboys drank there coffee black...this guy is obvously not a true aggie

[Crucifax Autumn]

Well, I think this guy may not know how to use a coffee pot so he has to buy it pre-brewed.

[jdsooner]

It is a marketing problem and I have the solution. If they would just give away a free sheep to each season ticket holder, they would sell out every game!;)

[bixby28]

It's really ridiculous how the OSU football fans have such an inferiority complex in this state. I haven't met one here at school without a defensive, resentful attitude about the Sooners.

[bluedogok]

:les: THAT'S WHAT THE WINKY WAS FOR!
Sorry about that, I missed the winky...

[soonerlaw]

#1 reason - it's basketball season

#1 Reason - it's hunting season.

[douxpaysan]

#1 Reason - it's hunting season.
http://www.govsux.com/Red%20States/images/Trailer%20Trash.jpg

[OSUAggie]

boomer
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/lukin254/boomer.jpg

[picasso]

boomer
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/lukin254/boomer.jpg
I don't get it. is that a distraught Sooner fan after a disappointing loss?
quite possible but you know we've had far fewer than say...oh I don't know maybe an oSu fan? you do know oSu's football program is one of the all time losingest right? still reaching for .500 right?

[picasso]

HI-YO!!!!!:

OU No. 1 Program of the Modern Era

NORMAN, Okla. --Confirming what many Sooner fans already knew, Oklahoma is the winningest program of the modern era of college football. OU has the most victories (513) and best winning percentage (.760) of any team since the end of World War II.

The Sooners have earned seven AP National Championships in that span and are recognized by the NCAA for 16 championship seasons.

OU has spent more weeks ranked in the top five (342) of the AP poll than any other team and is tied with Notre Dame for most weeks ranked No. 1 (95).

#1 Program of the Modern Era

Victories Since 1945
1. Oklahoma 513
2. Alabama 486
3. Penn State 485
4. Nebraska 484
5. Texas 481
6. Ohio State 472
7. Michigan 470
8. Tennessee 466
9. USC 458
10. Notre Dame 457


Winning Percentage Since 1945
1. Oklahoma 513-157-13 (.760)
2. Ohio State 472-159-20 (.740)
3. Penn State 485-172-9 (.734)
4. Michigan 470-172-15 (.726)
5. Nebraska 484-194-10 (.71
6. Texas 481-190-11 (.713)
7. Alabama 486-191-20 (.711)
8. Notre Dame 457-189-14 (.703)
9. Tennessee 466-197-24 (.695)
10. USC 458-198-23 (.691)


Weeks Ranked Top 5 in AP Poll*
1. Oklahoma 342
2. Nebraska 294
3. Notre Dame 273
4. Ohio State 272
5. Michigan 262
6. USC 256
7. Texas 246
8. Alabama 243
9. Florida State 204
10. Miami (Fla.) 201


Weeks Ranked No. 1 in AP Poll*
1. Oklahoma 95
Notre Dame 95
3. USC 81
4. Ohio State 73
5. Nebraska 70
6. Miami (Fla.) 68
7. Florida State 59
8. Texas 42
9. Michigan 34
10. Alabama 31

[Sooner_Bob]

HI-YO!!!!!:

OU No. 1 Program of the Modern Era

NORMAN, Okla. --Confirming what many Sooner fans already knew, Oklahoma is the winningest program of the modern era of college football. OU has the most victories (513) and best winning percentage (.760) of any team since the end of World War II.

The Sooners have earned seven AP National Championships in that span and are recognized by the NCAA for 16 championship seasons.

OU has spent more weeks ranked in the top five (342) of the AP poll than any other team and is tied with Notre Dame for most weeks ranked No. 1 (95).

#1 Program of the Modern Era

Victories Since 1945
1. Oklahoma 513
2. Alabama 486
3. Penn State 485
4. Nebraska 484
5. Texas 481
6. Ohio State 472
7. Michigan 470
8. Tennessee 466
9. USC 458
10. Notre Dame 457


Winning Percentage Since 1945
1. Oklahoma 513-157-13 (.760)
2. Ohio State 472-159-20 (.740)
3. Penn State 485-172-9 (.734)
4. Michigan 470-172-15 (.726)
5. Nebraska 484-194-10 (.71
6. Texas 481-190-11 (.713)
7. Alabama 486-191-20 (.711)
8. Notre Dame 457-189-14 (.703)
9. Tennessee 466-197-24 (.695)
10. USC 458-198-23 (.691)


Weeks Ranked Top 5 in AP Poll*
1. Oklahoma 342
2. Nebraska 294
3. Notre Dame 273
4. Ohio State 272
5. Michigan 262
6. USC 256
7. Texas 246
8. Alabama 243
9. Florida State 204
10. Miami (Fla.) 201


Weeks Ranked No. 1 in AP Poll*
1. Oklahoma 95
Notre Dame 95
3. USC 81
4. Ohio State 73
5. Nebraska 70
6. Miami (Fla.) 68
7. Florida State 59
8. Texas 42
9. Michigan 34
10. Alabama 31


Cool.

[OSUAggie]

HI-YO!!!!!:

OU No. 1 Program of the Modern Era

NORMAN, Okla. --Confirming what many Sooner fans already knew, Oklahoma is the winningest program of the modern era of college football. OU has the most victories (513) and best winning percentage (.760) of any team since the end of World War II.

The Sooners have earned seven AP National Championships in that span and are recognized by the NCAA for 16 championship seasons.

OU has spent more weeks ranked in the top five (342) of the AP poll than any other team and is tied with Notre Dame for most weeks ranked No. 1 (95).

#1 Program of the Modern Era

Victories Since 1945
1. Oklahoma 513
2. Alabama 486
3. Penn State 485
4. Nebraska 484
5. Texas 481
6. Ohio State 472
7. Michigan 470
8. Tennessee 466
9. USC 458
10. Notre Dame 457


Winning Percentage Since 1945
1. Oklahoma 513-157-13 (.760)
2. Ohio State 472-159-20 (.740)
3. Penn State 485-172-9 (.734)
4. Michigan 470-172-15 (.726)
5. Nebraska 484-194-10 (.71
6. Texas 481-190-11 (.713)
7. Alabama 486-191-20 (.711)
8. Notre Dame 457-189-14 (.703)
9. Tennessee 466-197-24 (.695)
10. USC 458-198-23 (.691)


Weeks Ranked Top 5 in AP Poll*
1. Oklahoma 342
2. Nebraska 294
3. Notre Dame 273
4. Ohio State 272
5. Michigan 262
6. USC 256
7. Texas 246
8. Alabama 243
9. Florida State 204
10. Miami (Fla.) 201


Weeks Ranked No. 1 in AP Poll*
1. Oklahoma 95
Notre Dame 95
3. USC 81
4. Ohio State 73
5. Nebraska 70
6. Miami (Fla.) 68
7. Florida State 59
8. Texas 42
9. Michigan 34
10. Alabama 31

we need to come up with a more condensed version of why OU is superior to the world to counter anything I say :D

[orangekaje]

we need to come up with a more condensed version of why OU is superior to the world to counter anything I say :D

OU > *

[poke4christ]

OU > *

LOL, only computer geeks like you and me will get that one Kaje.

Zach

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Hey, Micco, you still like your aggy as much as you used to?...I think I like 'em even less than I used to(how is that possible, you say? Well, it's quite an achievement to dig below domer)

[picasso]

we need to come up with a more condensed version of why OU is superior to the world to counter anything I say :D
don't give yourself so much credit there Poker. I posted that just to please meself.

I really have no true aspirations of countering anything you say or any other internet dork. it's all fun.

[MiccoMacey]

Hey, Micco, you still like your aggy as much as you used to?...I think I like 'em even less than I used to(how is that possible, you say? Well, it's quite an achievement to dig below domer)

Oh, It's just in my blood to like them, I guess.

Right now, I'd have to put the Texas version of aggy as my second favorite team (at least for the next two weeks). :D

[Taxman71]

The irony of puke fans is that football is by far the least successful sport in their history, yet they would trade every trophy in every sport just to be good in football. Sadly, yet comically, it will never happen.

[MiccoMacey]

The irony of puke fans is that football is by far the least successful sport in their history, yet they would trade every trophy in every sport just to be good in football. Sadly, yet comically, it will never happen.

You couldn't be more wrong. One of the biggest and most off-base myths about OSU.

Most Cowboys are more in love with their 34 wrestling National Championships than a football trophy not decided on the field (or mat).

Tons of you may dislike wrestling, but most of that is because it is something OSU is ggod at. So you belittle the sport.

If OU had 34 National Championships in wrestling, many here would be shoving that in Aggie's face as well.

But thanks for giving me an opportunity to right that wrong.

[OSUAggie]

^^^^ however, that is not to say that we wouldn't trade, say, 5 or 6 of those wrestling titles for a couple of football titles, just so you'd have less on us...

[MiccoMacey]

I'd have to fight you for those. Which ones you want to give up?

It'd have to be some of the earlier ones, fo sho.

[TheLlama]

Aggie Denial!

[OSUAggie]

Actually, I would only give up 4 b/c I can't fall behind texas for #1 in the Big 12 for NC's... so i'd give up 4 just for the recognition that the 1945 OSU football team that went undefeated and won the Sugar Bowl is national champs instead of Army.

And can't give up the previous 4 b/c the OU fans would call on the "when things count" rule and say b/c OU has won 4 straight they're obviously dominant and they'd ask what OSU has done this century, blah blah blah... just not worth the hassle.

[MiccoMacey]

Five in a row will be tough, but they have the best shot of anyone not named Minnesota to win it this coming year.

[MiccoMacey]

And can't give up the previous 4 b/c the OU fans would call on the "when things count" rule and say b/c OU has won 4 straight they're obviously dominant and they'd ask what OSU has done this century, blah blah blah... just not worth the hassle.

In what sport has OU won four straight games/matches/duals this century?

[OSUAggie]

I would say probably all of them....?? Not following...

[MiccoMacey]

You said "And can't give up the previous 4 b/c the OU fans would call on the "when things count" rule and say b/c OU has won 4 straight".

I'm asking, in what sport has OU won four straight against OSU.

Football. Nope.
Basketball. Nope.
Wrestling. Haha. That was a good one.

Maybe baseball?

[OSUAggie]

You said "And can't give up the previous 4 b/c the OU fans would call on the "when things count" rule and say b/c OU has won 4 straight".

I'm asking, in what sport has OU won four straight against OSU.

Football. Nope.
Basketball. Nope.
Wrestling. Haha. That was a good one.

Maybe baseball?

ah,
well Softball is definitely one.... But I was saying I can't give up the last 4 NC's in wrestling b/c OU fans would consider that domination of the sport (which was a joke).

[MiccoMacey]

Hey, we are third place finishers in, what, five of the last six years?

[usmc-sooner]

You said "And can't give up the previous 4 b/c the OU fans would call on the "when things count" rule and say b/c OU has won 4 straight".

I'm asking, in what sport has OU won four straight against OSU.

Football. Nope.
Basketball. Nope.
Wrestling. Haha. That was a good one.

Maybe baseball?


I'm pretty sure OU has won four straight games against OSU in football and more than just one time. I'm pretty sure it's happened in basketball as well. I must not understand here.

[OSUAggie]

^^^^^ this century...

[usmc-sooner]

^^^^^ this century...

wait a few weeks

[OSUAggie]

OU is definitely one of the top 5 or 6 wrestling programs in the country, which is pretty good considering how dominant OSU is.. Just nobody cares about it...

From '33 to '56, only 4 schools not from Oklahoma won the NCAA championship, and never in back-to-back season.

[OSUAggie]

wait a few weeks

more like 11 days

[usmc-sooner]

BTW I'm not a OSU hater, some of their fans maybe but also some of ours at times too.

I actually like their wrestling program. One of the all time great dynasties and one of the hardest sports out there.

[mdklatt]

BTW I'm not a OSU hater, some of their fans maybe but also some of ours at times too.


Yeah, there's a lot of pot and kettle action in a rivalry. We laugh at Texas for bringing up academic smack, but we do that to oSu all the time. When Texas brings up their overall series record we counter with only the last seven years. Sound familiar?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

aggy love-fest on tuesdays, when the whorns are baned...go figure.

[usmc-sooner]

aggy love-fest on tuesdays, when the whorns are baned...go figure.

there are times when I'd like to give Robert Allen a flying drop kick, same as Lester

that being said I grew up on a farm and wrestled, so I knew a lot of good OSU people, maybe it has to do with the their lack of success against us is football, but I just don't have the "hatred" that I can have for Texas.

[picasso]

Yeah, there's a lot of pot and kettle action in a rivalry. We laugh at Texas for bringing up academic smack, but we do that to oSu all the time. When Texas brings up their overall series record we counter with only the last seven years. Sound familiar?
actually we bring up the modern era record with Tejas, which is since WWII.

oSu has had a good run in the last decade but we currently own 3 in a row on them which is a feat they've never done.
I never understand academic smack because both schools are good in their fields of expertise.

[MiccoMacey]

there are times when I'd like to give Robert Allen a flying drop kick, same as Lester

Man, I hate that guy.


that being said I grew up on a farm and wrestled with sheep, so I knew a lot of good OSU people...

I knew there was some Aggie in ya. :D

[usmc-sooner]

Man, I hate that guy.



I knew there was some Aggie in ya. :D

actually I won so there was some of me in Ag :D

[tulsaoilerfan]

that doesn't include donor fees which may or may not be applicable to those tickets... i think those seats are sold out.... most of the remaining tix not sold are in the north side club, which equal out to something like $500/game
You mean you actually have to make a donation just for the right to buy OSU Football season tickets? PT Barnum was right:D

[Crucifax Autumn]

What I'm getting from this is that OSU would rather be greedy than have the stadium full...

That's pretty pathetic.

[jwlynn64]

I'm asking, in what sport has OU won four straight against OSU.

17 in a row between 1948 and 1964 and 15 in a row between 1977 and 1991 in football. Of course, OSUAGGIE was talking about NCs.

Props to you for being great in Wrestling.

Please don't further embarrass yourself by trying to compare greatness in wrestling to greatness in football.

7 NCs in football is much harder given the greater field of participants (approximately 115 competing in football compared to 62 in wresting). Also, the lack of domination by a couple of schools shows that college football is much harder to dominate compared to wresting (33 by you guys and 20 by Iowa).

Besides, you lose points for posting your weak wresting smack on the football board. ;)

[poke4christ]

What I'm getting from this is that OSU would rather be greedy than have the stadium full...

That's pretty pathetic.

Unfortunatly, I think you're right on the money. Most of us blame Holder. He's done some great things, but this is a royal screw up. Sure we had some of the lowest ticket prices in the big 12, but you can't raise those over night and expect everyone to be on board. Past years sales show that we've got the fans to sell the thing out, we just alienated them with the huge hike. There was no need for it either.

It takes time to establish strong ticket sales OU was able to jump right back into it after their down years because they had established that corprate and consumer following in the past.

I'll be surprised if they don't lower the ticket prices before the EZ is done. No matter how good the product is on the field, we won't sell 20,000 extra seats with only two years to get used to a price hike. Once again, it takes time to get there.

Zach

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It's no longer tuesday. Buh-bye, aggy.

[Taxman71]

Nobody, especially me, is minimizing the sport of wrestling or its success which I have always followed closely and attend several matches in Norman each year. The Smiths are like family to me and I have always been a ardent supporter of OSU wrestling. It is probably the only time I ever have or ever will pull for OSU.

That being said, 90% of poke fans care less about wrestling and only want to be good as football. It is a reflection on your fans, not your wrestling program.

[picasso]

hey, Kendall Cross cheated off of me during our ACT test. He sat next to me and introduced himself and told me he had to pass so's he could wrassle at oSu!!! I tried to tell him we probably didn't have the same questions, etc..

I remember he had his arm in a cast.

anywho, he turned out ok.:)

[Taxman71]

hey, Kendall Cross cheated off of me during our ACT test. He sat next to me and introduced himself and told me he had to pass so's he could wrassle at oSu!!! I tried to tell him we probably didn't have the same questions, etc..

I remember he had his arm in a cast.

anywho, he turned out ok.:)

Eyepatch too?

[MiccoMacey]

Nobody, especially me, is minimizing the sport of wrestling or its success which I have always followed closely and attend several matches in Norman each year. The Smiths are like family to me and I have always been a ardent supporter of OSU wrestling. It is probably the only time I ever have or ever will pull for OSU.

That being said, 90% of poke fans care less about wrestling and only want to be good as football. It is a reflection on your fans, not your wrestling program.

Hey, sounds like we both love our Sooner wrestling team. Glad to hear it. Stonecold soonerfan is also an avid supporter, as is/was gdc, and usmc.

My only intention was to destroy that myth. I know of few, if any, OSU fans who'd trade one wrestling title for a football title. Maybe you know some, but I can tell you that as an alum of OSU I've probably met more OSU fans and I still don't know of any who'd make a trade...football, a sport they've enjoyed little success in, over wrestling, a sport they have more titles in than any other program in any other sport.

Ok, maybe they'd trade ONE title for a football title, but not the overall tradition. :D


BTW, I am a Sooner, not a Cowboy.

[Fraggle145]

Ugh... Aggy love fest. :eek:
:twinkies:

[Taxman71]

BTW, I am a Sooner, not a Cowboy.

Sorry, I deserve to get stomped by Dr. Death and Mitch Shelton for throwing that stone at you.

I think we are talking about 2 different group of poke fans. The older fans love wrestling, know it is what OSU is known for and used to attend matches as students. The under-40 fans (my age group) don't know much about the sport or its history and don't care much either way. This is evidenced by the decline of the sport nationally in terms of attendance, TV, overall media, etc. I am sure the Title IX stuff didn't help the sport either.

However, since our loss to the pukes 1995 (and especially 2002), they have become determined that they can be as good as us at football and are willing to do anything to do it.

[OSUAggie]

I think a lot of the under-40 (although I would say under-50) OSU fans are products of what was happening @ OSU when they were in school... Wrestling wasn't really dominant (comparatively speaking) at that time, esp. w/Iowa making their run. Now, moreso, crowds are starting to pick up for the regular season matches, and with the advent of 53 ESPN channels, more matches/tourneys are on TV... I think the 30-50 crowd of OSU fans don't really appreciate wrestling, while the older folks and the in college or fresh out of college OSU fans like wrestling more... However, you're right, the popularity of the sport is nowhere near the level it was for the older generation. Title IX has a whole lot to do with it.

[Taxman71]

If the rules were changed to reward aggressiveness and make guys wrestle like Pat Smith did (and most OU and OSU guys from the 70s and 80s) and how Johnny Hendricks does now, you would see alot more interest as they definately get the crowd going. Your typical heavyweight match these days (sans Mocco) is just sad. These guys are content to win every match 2-1 with riding time.

The hatred for Hendricks in OKC last year was great. Wrestling needs more characters and marquis matchups. We used to have Dr. Death vs. Shelton, LeeRoy Smith vs. Andre Metzger, Dan Gable stirring up the crowd, etc.

[I_SMELL_FEAR]

Hey, sounds like we both love our Sooner wrestling team. Glad to hear it. Stonecold soonerfan is also an avid supporter, as is/was gdc, and usmc.

My only intention was to destroy that myth. I know of few, if any, OSU fans who'd trade one wrestling title for a football title. Maybe you know some, but I can tell you that as an alum of OSU I've probably met more OSU fans and I still don't know of any who'd make a trade...football, a sport they've enjoyed little success in, over wrestling, a sport they have more titles in than any other program in any other sport.

Ok, maybe they'd trade ONE title for a football title, but not the overall tradition. :D


BTW, I am a Sooner, not a Cowboy.


Well, that might be true but Im not sure if there is any value in that statement. If aggy fans agreed that they would give up their wrestling nc's for a few in football, then they are agreeing with a ton of people, that wrestling is a big "who cares" sport. So aggy HAS to say they wouldnt trade any, so they can hang their hat on those championships.

[SoonerBK]

This is classic:

It's not the price of tickets.

It's the entertainment value.

OSU has neglected it's program for so long, even a good year has little, lasting effect on attendance.

Les Miles had the season ticket sales going up, then he left. Just like so many other good coaches before him.

There are so many OSU fans (former and bandwagon types) that have little incentive to go one of our games, especially Baylor, because the entertainment value isn't there for them.

If the Cowboys were in the hunt for a national or even Big 12 championship, we'd have a lot more people. Couple that with higher prices than last year, a small drive for most metropolitans, plus time, and without the promise of a win, and folks are going to find something else to do.

OU has had the luxury (something they've certainly invested in) of several sustained years of good product to build up a higher interest in fans that will pay their price. For one, if they spend that type of money, they want a win. They also want to associate themselves with a consistent winner.

It doesn't make them bad people, just not as good a fans as OSU, who are there through the bad times. Actually, we've had more bad than good.

It's natural for fans to come out of the woodwork when a team wins. Look at the number of Texas t-shirts you've seen, or any other champion of any sport. As soon as they win, their merchandise sales like crazy. People love a winner.

We just need to win, win big, and win for a long, consistent time.

Once we do that, the people will come and they will pay.

[OSUAggie]

It doesn't make them bad people, just not as good a fans as OSU, who are there through the bad times.

that's absurd


If the rules were changed to reward aggressiveness and make guys wrestle like Pat Smith did (and most OU and OSU guys from the 70s and 80s) and how Johnny Hendricks does now, you would see alot more interest as they definately get the crowd going. Your typical heavyweight match these days (sans Mocco) is just sad. These guys are content to win every match 2-1 with riding time.

The hatred for Hendricks in OKC last year was great. Wrestling needs more characters and marquis matchups. We used to have Dr. Death vs. Shelton, LeeRoy Smith vs. Andre Metzger, Dan Gable stirring up the crowd, etc.

The sad thing is, Hendricks is about the only high-profile wrestler (no, that's not quite an oxymoron, but close) that has that attitude.