View Full Version : LURCH(Kerry) has been a BAAAD Boy!
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/1/2006, 12:51 AM
POWs LAWSUIT COULD FORCE KERRY TO COME
CLEAN ON VIETNAM ‘WAR CRIMES’ CHARGES
When John Kerry slandered an entire generation of men who fought in Vietnam he branded them as "war criminals." Today, much of the same thing is being said about our young men and women in Iraq.
Now, a lawsuit filed in Philadelphia’s Court of Common Pleas will test the very foundation of Kerry’s anti-war persona for the first time. It isn’t dubious medals or Kerry’s disputed service record in Vietnam that is being called into question. This time Kerry may finally be forced to answer for the events that launched his public career, one that made him an anti-war hero for many American liberals and a turncoat for many Vietnam veterans.
The lawsuit challenges the basis, the factual accuracy of then Lt. (j.g.) Kerry’s acrimonious testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. It was there Kerry’s public career was catapulted with his now ubiquitous portrayal of American soldiers as murderers, rapists and torturers "who ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam . . . [and] razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."
For the anti-war, anti-American protesters, the American soldiers are the "terrorists," and the enemies are the victims of a barbaric U.S. military which tortures and murders defenseless civilians.
That false premise, one of the most vicious and enduring smears spawned by Kerry 35 years ago, will also be put to the test once Kerry’s true "Band of Brothers" are put under oath in a Philadelphia courtroom.
The background to this lawsuit is long and complex, but even a condensed version is rich in irony and poetic justice.
It had it roots in 2004 with the documentary Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal. Many may recall the film, although it is probably best known for not being seen, suppressed after Sinclair Broadcasting Company courageously announced it was going to air the documentary in its entirety. Thanks to Kerry and his liberal colleagues in the Senate and their enablers in the mainstream media, Sinclair was browbeaten into withdrawing the film, its broadcast license threatened by a Kerry campaign manager in 2004. The film’s producer, Carlton Sherwood, a Pulitzer Prize and Peabody Award-winning investigative reporter, interviewed former POWs for the documentary.
I was among those whom Sherwood, a decorated Marine combat veteran himself, asked to participate in Stolen Honor. I was a POW for nearly six years, held in North Vietnam prison camps, including the notorious Hanoi Hilton, a place of unimaginable horrors — torture, beatings, starvation and mind-numbing isolation. When Kerry branded us "war criminals," he handed our captors all the justification they needed to carry out their threats to execute us. Thanks to Kerry, Jane Fonda and their comrades in the anti-war movement, our captivity was prolonged by years. The communists in Hanoi and Moscow couldn’t have had a better press agent to spread their anti-American propaganda.
To guarantee Stolen Honor would never be seen by anyone — not even theatre-goers — the producer was slapped with a libel and defamation lawsuit.
That lawsuit was filed by a long-time anti-war disciple of the Massachusetts Senator. He was one of Kerry's key war crimes "witnesses," one of several on whom Kerry claims he based his Senate testimony.
The lawsuit put a unique spin on the definition of defamation, claiming that Stolen Honor had damaged the public reputations of himself, Kerry and others by simply quoting their own words and criticisms of America during the Vietnam war!
The POWs and the wives of POWs who participated in Stolen Honor refused to abandon the facts conveyed in the film. For some of us, it was the first time since our release by the Communists in 1973 that we were able to have our voices publicly heard, to tell our stories about the consequences of Kerry’s treachery. In 2005, we formed a nonprofit organization, the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation (VVLF), to gather records, documents and other materials to form a fact-based, educational repository for students and scholars of Vietnam history and to tell the true story of the American soldiers in Vietnam. The VVLF’s mission is "to set the record straight, factually, about Vietnam and those who fought there."
For our efforts, we were promptly sued by two long-time anti-war Kerry followers and VVAW members. It was clear that Kerry not only wanted to punish us for Stolen Honor; he intended to use surrogates to sue us into permanent silence and financial ruin.
Forced to spend huge sums to defend ourselves from these frivolous lawsuits, we have filed a countersuit against these Kerry surrogates and intend to reveal the truth about the lawsuits and their sponsors. We believe that we can prove that the purpose of nearly two years of litigation was to protect John Kerry, to drain us financially and spiritually, and to prevent us from setting the record straight.
At stake is ultimately nothing less than the integrity of the American military in Vietnam, the honor of the men who served their country, the nobility of those who gave their lives, and the truth of America’s history in Vietnam. Until or unless we do correct the existing record, the American military may never be free of the myths and smears of Vietnam, its honor and integrity cleansed as it fights to defend freedom at home and around the world.
Our mission is hardly over. We hope you will join us in fighting this battle . . . for our soldiers, then and now. For more information about Vietnam, the foregoing litigation, or to make a donation, please access the VVLF website.
Col. George E. "Bud" Day
Director and President,
Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation
Col. George E. "Bud" Day, USAF (Ret.,) was a POW in North Vietnam for five years, seven months and 13 days. He served in three wars (WWII, Korea, and Vietnam) and earned the Medal of Honor. He is the Air Force’s most decorated living veteran. He is the Director and President of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, Inc., an organization created to better educate and inform the public about the Vietnam War, its events, its history, and the men and women who sacrificed to serve their country.
Source: NewsMax
OUHOMER
11/1/2006, 06:20 AM
I hope they nail him.
GrapevineSooner
11/1/2006, 10:45 AM
Did you cull that from CNS?
Frontpage Mag?
Or some other right-wing partisan news site?
King Crimson
11/1/2006, 10:57 AM
when you post text, you should always post a link or source. jus' saying. i'm not a fan of Kerry. it's not like that.
if you want to be taken seriously, you cite sources.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/1/2006, 11:01 AM
when you post text, you should always post a link or source. jus' saying. i'm not a fan of Kerry. it's not like that.
if you want to be taken seriously, you cite sources.That was from NewsMax. I edited to note that at the bottom of the article.
What, did you think it was phony or something?
GrapevineSooner
11/1/2006, 12:23 PM
That was from NewsMax. I edited to note that at the bottom of the article.
What, did you think it was phony or something?
Do you really want me to answer that?
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/1/2006, 01:03 PM
Do you really want me to answer that?Whatevvarr!
Dude!
It doesn't even have a sports section! Sheesh! :rolleyes:
SicEmBaylor
11/1/2006, 02:15 PM
Newsmax is generally a load.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/1/2006, 02:23 PM
Newsmax is generally a load.So, IYO they are just making it up, or what?
GrapevineSooner
11/1/2006, 02:42 PM
Put it this way, they've made some really bold claims before that haven't quite panned out.
They're basically the equivalent of Raw Story.
Gandalf_The_Grey
11/1/2006, 02:43 PM
I'MMMMM JOHN KERRRRRRYY...ANNNNNDDDD IIIIIII AMMMMMMM REPOOOOORRRRRTTTINNNGGG FFFOOOOORRRR DDDUUUUUUUUTTTTYYYY
SicEmBaylor
11/1/2006, 03:41 PM
So, IYO they are just making it up, or what?
This story may or may not be true, but I was referring to NewsMax in general.
GrapevineSooner
11/1/2006, 04:48 PM
There are moonbats.
And there are wingnuts.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/1/2006, 06:06 PM
This story may or may not be true, but I was referring to NewsMax in general.This is about Ann Coulter, isn't it?
SicEmBaylor
11/1/2006, 06:06 PM
This is about Ann Coulter, isn't it?
No, the first thing that comes to mind is a story they broke that North Korea was going to invade last year.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/1/2006, 06:10 PM
No, the first thing that comes to mind is a story they broke that North Korea was going to invade last year.Would like to have seen that one. Give us a link if you can find it.
PhilTLL
11/1/2006, 07:10 PM
Wikipedia, with citations from WP and NYT:
After the mysterious disappearance of Chandra Levy in 2001, contributor John LeBoutillier posted a speculative column on the site about the sex life of Representative Gary Condit, with whom Levy had an affair. Entitled "Gays, Bisexuals and Murder", the column quickly circulated among media members, notwithstanding that NewsMax editors promptly pulled it from the site.
On May 26, 2005, NewsMax published an article claiming Hillary Clinton refused to meet with the Gold Star Mothers. However, according to the Gold Star Mothers organization, this was false and "Senator Clinton greeted us gratiously on Gold Star Mothers Sunday, 2005. See pictures on this page (http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/Events/GoldStarMothersSunday/GSMSunday.htm)." This story was also debunked at other websites and eventually led to a retraction by NewsMax.
A 2005 NewsMax.com report about Republican Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania -- claiming he was "teaming up" with rock band U2 for a fundraiser -- gained considerable attention, likely due to the apparently odd alliance. Adopting a technique used by some other politicians, however, Santorum had actually bought 66 tickets to a sold-out show and was reselling these to campaign supporters at $1,000 per seat. The band issued a statement denying it was involved in the practice, saying, "U2 concerts are categorically not fund-raisers for any politician; they are rock concerts for U2 fans." Rather than admitting the error and issuing a correction, NewsMax simply changed its article about the fundraiser without telling readers it had been changed, then denied it had made the claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsMax_Media#Articles_of_note
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/1/2006, 07:15 PM
So, you're saying these guys aren't suing Kerry...OK, but if they aren't maybe they should, or will. Enquiring Minds etc.
proud gonzo
11/1/2006, 08:41 PM
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i wondered, why the heck is pg posting in this thread? I'm sooooooo happy i looked. :mad:
:P
1stTimeCaller
11/1/2006, 08:56 PM
So, you're saying these guys aren't suing Kerry...OK, but if they aren't maybe they should, or will. Enquiring Minds etc.
no, you *** ***. They are saying that NewsMax is known (has been caught) for not reporting facts.
hurricane'bone
11/1/2006, 09:41 PM
I see your
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and raise you
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RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/2/2006, 12:37 AM
no, you *** ***. They are saying that NewsMax is known (has been caught) for not reporting facts.Which, in the minds of those who don't like what they are reading, means that if NewsMax, or any media entity that has ever screwed up, they WILL FOREVER BE WRONG, you *** ***.(About the time you show some sense, you go and say something like the above)
Which, in the minds of those who don't like what they are reading, means that if NewsMax, or any media entity that has ever screwed up, they WILL FOREVER BE WRONG, you *** ***.(About the time you show some sense, you go and say something like the above)
much like some other people here and their reaction to nearly anything presented by a large news entity other than fox news.
CBS comes to mind.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/2/2006, 01:08 AM
much like some other people here and their reaction to nearly anything presented by a large news entity other than fox news.
CBS comes to mind.I think the key is to not pretend a media source is always wrong. That effort makes one look shortsighted, at best.
I think the key is to not pretend a media source is always wrong. That effort makes one look shortsighted, at best.
some are more credible than others. yes, even uncredible news sources, like the enquirer, can once in a while run into a real story. However, when the story is only being run by one news source, its hard to take it as credible regardless of who the source is...corroboration by other outlets bring more credibility to a story.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/2/2006, 01:29 AM
some are more credible than others. yes, even uncredible news sources, like the enquirer, can once in a while run into a real story. However, when the story is only being run by one news source, its hard to take it as credible regardless of who the source is...corroboration by other outlets bring more credibility to a story.OK, with other considerations.(Don't feel like elaborating-you know what I'm talking about)
proud gonzo
11/2/2006, 01:39 AM
I see your
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and raise you
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I'll raise you some
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sooner n houston
11/2/2006, 08:17 AM
http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=74
google people!
Vaevictis
11/2/2006, 08:30 AM
The lawsuit happened, no doubt. I suspect NewsMax's analysis is questionable, however.
If Kerry really doesn't want the information these guys are seeking to get out, I expect that in the worst case, he can just have his lawyers stipulate that the lawsuits were "in error" (or possibly frivolous), and offer to pay whatever penalties are required by law.
At that point, I expect there'd be no grounds to issue subpeonas to anyone or for anything because there are no facts in dispute that would require them.
hurricane'bone
11/2/2006, 10:42 AM
I see your
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and raise you
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I'll raise you some
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CALL
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proud gonzo
11/2/2006, 02:16 PM
I see your
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and raise you
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I'll raise you some
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CALL
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well played
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/2/2006, 03:13 PM
Are you OK, PG?
proud gonzo
11/2/2006, 03:38 PM
quite
How far to the next page?
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/2/2006, 07:54 PM
quiteSo, why the tantrum?
proud gonzo
11/2/2006, 09:43 PM
So, why the tantrum?you mean this?
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I wouldn't call that a tantrum.
picasso
11/2/2006, 09:47 PM
thanks for giving the Pubs a shot Kerry.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
11/3/2006, 01:10 AM
thanks for giving the Pubs a shot Kerry.His last minute condemnation of the military certainly was a booster shot, and reminder of who will be in office, running the country if the America Sucks crowd wins.
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