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The Maestro
10/23/2006, 02:43 PM
No, I am not talking about a washed up country singer's tax problems.

So what do you think was on his hand last night? Dirt. Chocolate cake. Pine tar.

I say it was a dirty sanchez gone wrong.

Thoughts?
Boomer_Sooner_sax
10/23/2006, 02:51 PM
This thread is a complete dissapointment with so much potential....:pop:
Fugue
10/23/2006, 02:51 PM
pine tar
mrowl
10/23/2006, 02:53 PM
left is game 3 of the alcs. right is Sunday. cheater.

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/photo/2006/1023/mlb_rogers_hands_412.jpg
Newbomb Turk
10/23/2006, 02:56 PM
He ain't got nothin on Gaylord Perry or Joe Niekro.
The Maestro
10/23/2006, 03:01 PM
These pictures need farking in the worst way. Some doodie or chocolate cake like Doug Jones called it.
stoopified
10/23/2006, 03:25 PM
Truth is he ran out of TP and he was IN A HURRY.
OU4LIFE
10/23/2006, 03:33 PM
chee.

tar.
IB4OU2
10/23/2006, 03:52 PM
Chef's Salty Chocolate Balls.
49r
10/23/2006, 04:45 PM
GIS for "dirty hands" is surprisingly work safe!
JohnnyMack
10/23/2006, 04:54 PM
It was pine tar. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/10/23/scoop.rogers/index.html)
salth2o
10/23/2006, 04:56 PM
poop?
Ike
10/23/2006, 09:05 PM
It was pine tar. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/10/23/scoop.rogers/index.html)

prolly was....but I think the article overstates the effect that pine tar has. A mass asymmetry to the ball has less of an effect on the movement of the ball than the change in the aerodynamic properties of the ball. I think seam orientation has a far greater effect in that respect than pine tar does. I don't know how much pine tar (or shaving cream, or suntan oil) would change the aerodynamic properties, but I wouldn't think it would be nearly as much change as a scuff would create.


The one big effect pine tar, shaving cream or suntan lotion would have would be making a pitchers grip on the baseball more effective. thats it. Sometimes the conditions on the field, like cold and moisture, can erode a pitchers ability to grip the baseball on some pitches. pine tar and other substances, would help to correct that.

I don't really buy that this is a case of doctoring the baseball so much as this is a case of doctoring his hand. Is that cheating? I don't really think so, but thats just my opinion.
william_brasky
10/23/2006, 09:37 PM
It was pine tar. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/10/23/scoop.rogers/index.html)

Pine tar for grip in the cold. No question.

It's been done for a long time. No big deal. Why do you think LaRussa didn't make a huge ordeal about it? Because it's a widely-used practice.
hurricane'bone
10/23/2006, 09:40 PM
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5646
proud gonzo
10/23/2006, 10:14 PM
BASEBALL FORUM! :mad:


;)
sanantoniosooner
10/23/2006, 10:15 PM
Pine tar is relevant to the Oval.

Doleo posts with it on his keyboard.
Ike
10/23/2006, 10:32 PM
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5646


what an excellent example of a completely meaningless statistical analysis.
hurricane'bone
10/23/2006, 10:35 PM
what an excellent example of a completely meaningless statistical analysis.


What? You think BP using statistics they made up to give them answers they want is meaningless. That's just crazy talk! :twinkies:
tulsaoilerfan
10/23/2006, 11:03 PM
If you are going to cheat, there are better places to hide the stuff than on your throwing hand; of course, that could be why it's there because no one could be that stupid to put it in the open, could they?