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Okla-homey
10/20/2006, 06:54 AM
Oct 20, 1803 : U.S. Senate ratifies the Louisiana Purchase

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203 years ago, on this day in 1803, the U.S. Senate ratifies a treaty with France providing for the purchase of the territory of Louisiana, which would double the size of the United States.

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At the end of 18th century, the Spanish technically owned Louisiana, the huge region west of the Mississippi that had once been claimed by France and named for its monarch, King Louis XIV.

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The territory includes Oklahoma which the French called Nouveau Mexique

Despite Spanish ownership, American settlers in search of new land were already threatening to overrun the territory by the early 19th century. Recognizing it could not effectively maintain control of the region, Spain ceded Louisiana back to France in 1801, sparking intense anxieties in Washington, D.C.

Under the leadership of Napoleon Bonaparte, France had become the most powerful nation in Europe, and unlike Spain, it had the military power and the ambition to establish a strong French presence in Louisiana and keep out the Americans.

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James Monroe. He and Robert Livingston negotiated the deal with Napolean's government

Realizing that it was essential that the U.S. at least maintain control of the mouth of the all-important Mississippi River, early in 1803 President Thomas Jefferson sent James Monroe to join the U.S. French foreign minister, Robert Livingston, in France to see if Napoleon might be persuaded to sell New Orleans and West Florida to the U.S.

Please understand, all these guys wanted to do was buy NOLA and the Florida Panhandle...little did they know they would end up acquiring the rights to much more!

By that spring, the European situation had changed radically. Napoleon, who had previously envisioned creating a mighty new French empire in America, was now facing war with Great Britain and he needed bucks to fund the fight.

Rather than risk the strong possibility that Great Britain would quickly capture Louisiana and leave France with nothing, Napoleon decided to raise money for his war and simultaneously deny his enemy the North American territory by offering to sell the entire territory to the U.S. for a mere $15 million.

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Monroe, Livingston and Napolean's boy Talleyrand negotiate the deal

Flabbergasted, Monroe and Livingston decided that they couldn't pass up such a golden opportunity, and they wisely overstepped the powers delegated to them and accepted Napoleon's offer. IOW, the accepted the offer although technically, that authority had not been invested in them by their commissions to do more than buy NOLA and West Florida.

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Robert Livingston did most of the talking, because at the time, Monroe was plagued by severe back pain...it may have been a kidney stone.

Despite his misgivings about the constitutionality of the purchase (the Constitution made no provision for the addition of vast territory by treaty), Jefferson finally agreed to send the treaty to the U.S. Senate for ratification, noting privately, "The less we say about constitutional difficulties the better."

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Signature page of the treaty sent to the Senate for ratification. Note Monroe and Livingstone's signatures on the left side of the page (the French guy's sig. is on the right.) Also note, the red wax "seals" under the sigs. You've seen this in the movies. The signer poured a bit of hot "sealing wax" under his signature, then mashed his signet ring into the warm puddle of wax, thus "sealing it" to help lend veracity to the notion the signature was genuine. Thus, the phrase, "signed, sealed and delivered" when talking about an executed contract.

Despite his concerns, the treaty was ratified and the Louisiana Purchase now ranks as the greatest achievement of Jefferson's presidency.

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Tom Jefferson. He wrote the Declaration of Independence, but more importantly, bought Oklahoma from France.

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12
10/20/2006, 07:39 AM
Tom Jefferson. He wrote the Declaration of Independence, but more importantly, bought Oklahoma from France.

Some of your cutlines are gold.

King Crimson
10/20/2006, 07:52 AM
the sealing of contracts in wax/sig ring is far older than the Lousisana Purchase...it dates at least back to ancient Rome.....and prolly further.

I'd also suggest that Thomas Jefferson had other contributions to the idea of democratic governance in the US.....though many here of late don't seem to endorse them.

12
10/20/2006, 08:10 AM
I don't think he claimed the wax seal started then.

Okla-homey
10/20/2006, 08:47 AM
I don't think he claimed the wax seal started then.

12 got Homey's back! thx

Okla-homey
10/20/2006, 08:48 AM
I'd also suggest that Thomas Jefferson had other contributions to the idea of democratic governance in the US.....though many here of late don't seem to endorse them.

especially that whole chattel slavery thing, thank goodness.;)

King Crimson
10/20/2006, 09:09 AM
especially that whole chattel slavery thing, thank goodness.;)

yeah, among the founding fathers he was alone in that.


i don't understand 12's response or him having "your back"....it wasn't a criticism, but an observation based in fact. Homey described it in his original post as though it needed explanation--the wax signing, no?

Octavian
10/20/2006, 09:33 AM
I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. -JFK, commenting on his cabinet.

I agree w/ Jack, Jefferson is unparalleled.

Okla-homey
10/20/2006, 10:50 AM
yeah, among the founding fathers he was alone in that.


i don't understand 12's response or him having "your back"....it wasn't a criticism, but an observation based in fact. Homey described it in his original post as though it needed explanation--the wax signing, no?

No big deal. That's the thing about innerweb. Impossible to evaluate tone and demeanor. All I was doing was adding some inane trivia about "sealing" -- did not assert it was first applied to this document. You seemed to imply I had. Anyhoo. No biggy.

I'm just glad Oklahoma did not stay French.:D

12
10/20/2006, 10:56 AM
Sorry about that KC... like the good Colonel said, the innerweb is not always the most effective communimication device.