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BIG_IKE
10/16/2006, 12:38 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/4261461.html

Does this guy have a point?
I kind of agree with him on the conference perceptions....it is far from reality

We need a playoff.

Sooner Eclipse
10/16/2006, 02:34 AM
He has no point other than to whine like the uterus homer he is. The horns lost their real chance to compete in the MNC when they got their *** wiped off their home field by the buckeyes.

Now he is just pandering and politicing just like mack trying to beg his way into their first rose bowl.

Come to think of it, Macs whining his way into that rose bowl is probably what sent the Pac10 over the edge and willing to do anything to get 2 BCS bowls in one year. They have a legit gripe over that BS.

jwlynn64
10/16/2006, 11:26 AM
The real problem has been mentioned here many times. Pre-season polls are what screws things up.

If you start low, you tend to stay low. If you start high, it's hard to make your way up the list. If course Texas was #2 at one time but their one loss (not an a$$ wiping like some might suggest) really hurt them.

That combined with the perception that the Big XII is weak is really making it hard for Texas to make up any ground.

Luthor
10/16/2006, 12:55 PM
We have all consistantly heard 2 things over the past several years:

1. Early losses aren't as damaging as later ones.
2. SOS has been eliminated as a BCS scoring factor.

Regardless of who is saying what about who's team it is now fairly evident that both of these statements are completely false. Otherwise, how do 2 teams that lose a game to lower ranked or even unranked teams move ahead of a team with the same 1 loss except to the #1 team.
Truth is an early loss is just as damaging as a mid to late loss and SOS is absolutley a part of the calculation.

That's fine. Be that as it may. However don't re-interpret the scoring system midway through the season only top change it again later.

jwlynn64
10/16/2006, 01:00 PM
Late loses in the human polls hurt way more than early loses. That is a self evident truth. When a team loses in the last game of the year, they do not drop to the front of the teams with an equal number of loses. They will invariable fall below some of the teams with the same number of loses. It is human nature and it will never change.

Sooner Eclipse
10/16/2006, 01:26 PM
Believe me, john lopez does not care about conference perception. His only intent is to rehab the perception of the horns. BCS conferences should have at least 2 power teams (top 10) to be considered good. Right now the B12 only has 1 and it is at the bottom of the top 10 and it lost convincingly on its home field. (I stand by my statement) This is the same problem that suc has in the P10. 1 good team and lots of also rans.

The problem is the national perception of the B12 was set by the Ut vs tOSU game. But that perception is probably accurate. Look at the rest of the B12 teams that have a chance to reach the conf title game. OU - lost starting qb and rb, questionable OL. MU - started off gangbusters but flamed out at aTm. aTm - Jekyl and Hyde. Who knows. NU - looks decent but lost convincingly to a suc team that isn't performing that well right now. The rest of the B12 is a race for suckitude.

Texas big problem is their loss to tOSU. I think texas could have won that game but for Greg Davis' point prevent offense. They were on their way to losing to OU as well because of this. To Mack's credit, he saw this and forced GD to loosen the reins on ponyboy at the half. Their problem is they did it too late.

Now no one on the national level is remotely interested in a texas vs tOSU rematch. If they happen to back into it then fine. But make no mistake, it is not conference perception holding them back. It's their loss. If you don't like it, don't lose.

Luthor,
point 1 - losses hurt - early losses hurt less in the human polls but make no difference in the comp polls. Computers are whats killing you right now in BCS standings. If your 1 loss had been close, maybe you would be getting more credit for it.

point 2 - SOS still matters to voters and to comp polls. It was taken out as an extra category in computations but still matters greatly to both human and computer polls and still factors greatly in their results.