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BIG_IKE
10/15/2006, 11:07 AM
Do you think this has been beneficial for us? OR do you think it is the reason our attrition rate is so high and our classes seems so unbalanced?

I noticed Texas does not even LOOK at Juco's and just when I think they are gonna be wiped out with graduation it seems like they have a neverending flow of players and talent.

As good of a program as OU is I think it is unacceptable for us to have to ask WR's to play DB etc.etc.....it's almost like we are struggling to fill positions. What say you all? Forget recruiting JUCO's and invest in the longhaul, o rkeep looking for a quick fix thats only gonna last 2 seasons.?

Flagstaffsooner
10/15/2006, 11:11 AM
Yup that Heupel guy was a bust.

BIG_IKE
10/15/2006, 11:14 AM
Josh was great, but your not seeing the point. You must be on the coaching staff ...

Flagstaffsooner
10/15/2006, 11:22 AM
You must be on the coaching staff ...:D I wish.

I see your point but when you have to fill in the holes with JC's.

Ash
10/15/2006, 11:24 AM
IMO successful recruiting is done to fill needs. I don't think there's any one right or wrong way to do it in terms of going after transfers or high school recruits. Coaches want to win and take the steps they think are necessary to accomplish that.

If you think you need experience plus skill at a position and a juco can fulfill that, go try and sign them.

Another situation that occurs is that some players have been recruited as underclassmen but, for whatever reason, don't make it right away to D-1. Sometimes these players appear again as juco transfers when eligible, not necessarily because coaches are looking for a shortcut.

I don't think there's any one formula that works all the time, it depends on the situaton at hand.

Scott D
10/15/2006, 11:40 AM
Whenever a team brings in more than 2-3 Jucos to fill some holes, they'll create bigger problems than they had in the first place.

Flagstaffsooner
10/15/2006, 11:48 AM
How's that Scott? How do they create bigger problems?

Ash
10/15/2006, 11:51 AM
Whenever a team brings in more than 2-3 Jucos to fill some holes, they'll create bigger problems than they had in the first place.

I could see your point if the recruiting then doesn't follow to fill those positions in the future. I just don't see our coaches intentionally doing that. It might work out that way due to other things (like players not qualifying, transferring out, etc.), but I'd think that coaches try to avoid that situation as best as they can.

stoopified
10/15/2006, 12:12 PM
Snyder was sucessful doing that at KSU,Billy was pretty sucessfull here with juco recruits.Three of the 5 starters on the '87-'88 team were jucos.Billy did prove howver that you should go HS players first and than jucos to supplement because relying too heavily on jucos bit him in the a$$.Come to think of it that proably hurt Snyder in the long run too.

snp
10/15/2006, 12:18 PM
What also hurt Snyder is other teams started copying his method of recruiting JUCOs and he wasn't able to get all the top flight JUCOs like he was able to get before.

Scott D
10/15/2006, 12:30 PM
How's that Scott? How do they create bigger problems?

in a year or two you are back to square one.

TXBOOMER
10/15/2006, 12:42 PM
I don't think it hurts to get 1 or 2 of the top flight JUCO guys. We have had some success with them. Heupel, Ahyou, Pasha Jackson, Lance Mitchell, Alan Patrick come to mind.

Socrefbek
10/15/2006, 01:07 PM
That Torrance Marshall guy kind of hurt Our program as well ....:P

RacerX
10/15/2006, 01:21 PM
The coaches had some bust classes.

This isn't about jucos. This is about a general lack of Junior and Senior talent on the team.

BIG_IKE
10/15/2006, 02:50 PM
Well when you have a Class of say 23...and say 8 of them are JUCO's, your already gonna be missing 8 guys off of that class...2 to 3 years before you normally would depenmding on if people redshirt or not. That creates gaps in classes...

You either have to go to the JUCO's again and hope you can get as talented a guy or you replace people with others that dont play that position.

It's kinda like those Payday Loans or going into your overdraft...you pay for it later, but you keep doing it so you dont have to feel the pain right away.

I would just rather get guys and keep em in our program for 5 years instead of taking guys who may have developed another programs bad habits or whatever and then just throwing them into our system and losing them 2 years later.

snp
10/15/2006, 03:02 PM
You can at least count on the JUCOS being there for 2-3 years and leaving. Coaches can't predict which Freshman aren't going to cut it and peace out after a year or 2 and screw us over.

RacerX
10/15/2006, 03:24 PM
Well when you have a Class of say 23...and say 8 of them are JUCO's, your already gonna be missing 8 guys off of that class...2 to 3 years before you normally would depenmding on if people redshirt or not. That creates gaps in classes...

You either have to go to the JUCO's again and hope you can get as talented a guy or you replace people with others that dont play that position.

It's kinda like those Payday Loans or going into your overdraft...you pay for it later, but you keep doing it so you dont have to feel the pain right away.

I would just rather get guys and keep em in our program for 5 years instead of taking guys who may have developed another programs bad habits or whatever and then just throwing them into our system and losing them 2 years later.

You're talking about k-state now. I don't remember us having 8 jucos.

RacerX
10/15/2006, 03:28 PM
Class of 2003 according to Rivals.

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Lewis Baker (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9644)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32004.5- Lewisville, TX
Tony Cade (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8369)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22004.43- Lewisville, TX
Tashard Choice (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9418)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-12004.45- Lovejoy, GA
Steven Coleman (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8666)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52754.9- Dallas, TX
Lawrence Dampeer (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=7178)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52754.8- Decatur, IL
Alonzo Dotson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9309)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52254.6- Alief, TX
Joe Jon Finley (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8270)ATHhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62084.69- Arlington, TX
Cody Freeby (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=12803)Khttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32104.8- Ft. Worth, TX
Tommy Grady (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8659)QBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62154.9-http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=8659&year=2003%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Huntington Beach, CA
Jacob Gutierrez (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=15673)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-71754.4- San Antonio, TX
Marcus Johnson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8325)ATHhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11754.4- Abilene, TX
Brandon Keith (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9917)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-63205.1- McAlester, OK
Akim Millington (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8926)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-63205.25- Wheaton, IL
Donte Nicholson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11462)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22104.48- Walnut, CA
Carl Pendleton (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=10548)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62704.9- Sapulpa, OK
Demarrio Pleasant (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8363)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32154.49- Lewisville, TX
Antonn Reid (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=15718)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-3285-- Plano, TX
Willie Roberts (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11436)TEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-72404.7- Miami, OK
Tristen Ross (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8969)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11904.5- Shreveport, LA
Courtney Tennial (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9540)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-102104.43- Glenpool, OK
Darien Williams (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8586)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-01904.42- Mesquite, TX
John Williams (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=11897)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52154.7- Houston, TX
Dane Zaslaw (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=8451)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22414.6- Edmond, OK
Brian Zimpel (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=9425)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-53105.3- Broken Arrow, OK

Ash
10/15/2006, 03:30 PM
You can at least count on the JUCOS being there for 2-3 years and leaving. Coaches can't predict which Freshman aren't going to cut it and peace out after a year or 2 and screw us over.

Exactly, you can't always predict who is going to be around for four or five years. If the kid is really good, he may go pro early as well. If you're left in a lurch I don't'have a problem with coaches going after JC guys, in fact that's one of the smarter things to do IMO.

RacerX
10/15/2006, 03:31 PM
Class of 2002 according to Rivals
Rufus Alexander (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=4771)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22154.49- Baton Rouge, LA
Noah Allen (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=59)QBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32094.7- Pearland, TX
Larry Birdine (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=85)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-42304.7- Lawton, OK
DaBryan Blanton (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=268)ATHhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-01654.3- Forney, TX
Jason Carter (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=89)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-01784.4- Jenks, OK
Wayne Chambers (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=1093)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32354.6- Grandview, MO
Abner Estrada (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=1759)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-42755.2- Carrollton, TX
Micheal Hawkins (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=1931)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11704.4- Carrollton, TX
Pasha Jackson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=3915)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32304.5- San Francisco, CA
Davin Joseph (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=741)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-42904.87- Hallandale, FL
Zach Latimer (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=160)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-42154.4- Aurora, CO
Jeff Lebby (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=58)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52755.1- Andrews, TX
Chris Messner (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=137)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-72404.8- Frederick, OK
Aaron Miller (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2573)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-21754.4- Fresno, CA
Lance Mitchell (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2577)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22404.6- San Francisco, CA
Laenar Nixon (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=885)TEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32104.6- Miami, FL
Brodney Pool (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2912)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-31934.5- Houston, TX
Jejuan Rankins (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=1509)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-01754.41- Windsor, NC
Josh Roberts (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=5231)Khttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-0165-- Malta, MT
J.D. Runnels (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=183)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-12304.5- Midwest City, OK
Steve Taylor (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=60)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-73205.1- Purcell, OK
Calvin Thibodeaux (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2928)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-12404.69- Houston, TX
Paul Thompson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2170)ATHhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-41954.5- Leander, TX
Travis Wilson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=271)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32004.4- Carrollton, TX

MichelleDawn
10/15/2006, 03:32 PM
I think a coach should always look at the freshman crop first but sometimes a JUCO is a great player. If he's the best player that you have a shot at, why not sign him?

And a JUCO QB makes sense if you are looking at starting a freshman the following year. Not so much to postpone playing the freshman but to gain some experience at a critical position even if the JUCO just comes off the bench. But if you don't or can't recruit another freshman QB it makes less sense.

RacerX
10/15/2006, 03:33 PM
Class of 2004
Remi Ayodele (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=22918)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-33015- Miami, OK
Corey Bennett (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=19601)DThttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32654.95.4http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=19601&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)San Antonio, TX
Rhett Bomar (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=12541)QBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-42054.576.1http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=12541&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Grand Prairie, TX
Brett Bowers (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=18574)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-11924.55.8http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=18574&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Jacksonvill e, FL
Brandon Braxton (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=17514)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-63005.16.0http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=17514&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Youngstown, OH
Quentin Chaney (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=14005)ATHhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-62054.55.7 Tulsa, OK
Alan Davis (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=18687)DEhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22374.75.8http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=18687&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Colleyville , TX
Garrett Hartley (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=20531)Khttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-9175-5.5 Southlake, TX
Lendy Holmes (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=15591)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-21804.45.8http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=15591&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Dallas, TX
Randy McAdams (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=20082)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-72855.35.7 Leander, TX
Chijioke Onyenegecha (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=13836)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22004.3- San Francisco, CA
Chris Patterson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=16741)LBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-32204.56.1http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=16741&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Chicago, IL
Adrian Peterson (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=14848)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-22104.46.1http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=14848&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Palestine, TX
J.D. Quinn (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=16846)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-326955.6http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=16846&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Garland, TX
Cameron Schacht (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=14092)OLhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-52604.785.5http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=14092&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Coppell, TX
Fred Strong (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=15362)WRhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif6-31884.485.6 Austin, TX
Marcus Walker (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=15365)DBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-111804.46.0http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=15365&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Waco, TX
D.J. Wolfe (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=13692)RBhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gifhttp://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/stargold.gif5-111804.46.0http://vmedia.rivals.com/images/database/mediaicons_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27vplayer.asp?SID=1&sport=1&pr_key=13692&year=2004%27,%27vplayer%27,%27scrollbars=no,height =500,width=650%27%29;void%28%27%27%29;)Lawton, OK

Scott D
10/15/2006, 06:04 PM
You can at least count on the JUCOS being there for 2-3 years and leaving. Coaches can't predict which Freshman aren't going to cut it and peace out after a year or 2 and screw us over.

We've had a Juco or two quit after a year if they make it that far.

MamaMia
10/15/2006, 06:16 PM
Recruiting Jucos is like playing 'fill in the blanks' actually. Its better to have all the pieces to the puzzle to start with, but if you lose a piece or two, or three, its nice to have a reserve that you can rob to make the picture whole. :)

TXBOOMER
10/15/2006, 09:01 PM
Also, there are times a guy won't qualify and he'll go off to a JUCO for until he can qualify. When you lose players, and there are are players in JUCO that really look like they can play, I have no problem getting them in here. Obviously, I'd rather never need one, but if he's gonna produce for us a couple of years c'mon.