OU GIVING UP SOUTH END ZONE.

[mrowl]

http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/bi/gold_print.cgi

OU to give up end zone seats in '07

New contract calls for home team to choose its side

06:14 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 3, 2006

By BRIAN DAVIS / The Dallas Morning News

NORMAN, Okla. – To keep the series between Texas and Oklahoma in Dallas through 2010, OU officials had to make a major concession during negotiations.

OU will give up its seats in the Cotton Bowl's south end zone next year and end a decades-long tradition of Sooners fans sitting over the tunnel entrance, which enables them to cheer their team and harass their rivals.

UT fans normally sit on the north end of the stadium, but school officials asked OU to flip sides last year as part of a gentleman's agreement. OU balked at that idea. Now, it's written into the five-year contract extension that the home team will choose its side, athletic directors at both schools said.

"We didn't have to agree to anything," Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione said. "Let's make it loud and clear to everybody, there are always choices.

"While some might favor one choice or the other, we have to respect the best interests of everyone involved and have those decisions reflect the ultimate goal – keeping the game in Dallas."

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said it was the fair thing to do, and he praised Castiglione for agreeing to include the new seating option.

"When you're the home team, you get the choice," Dodds said. "They're the home team this year. Next year, we'll have the option of sitting where we want to sit."

Castiglione said officials thought the decision through.

OU is the home team in even-numbered years, so the Sooners get the choice of sides three times in the current five-year deal. The Longhorns get to choose in 2007 and 2009. OU fans will sit in the south end zone this year, as is custom.

OU officials are banking on UT taking the south end next season. In that scenario, OU fans will sit on the north side and enjoy the full view of a new video board, which measures 83 feet long and 57 feet high. Less than half of the board has been installed for Saturday's game. It won't be complete until January.

The Cotton Bowl stadium expansion is slated to be finished before the 2008 season if a $1.35 billion bond package passes in November. OU would be first to choose between sitting over the tunnel or sitting on the new end with more seats where, theoretically, it should be louder.

"It's going to be beautiful," State Fair president Errol McCoy said. "I think when it's all said and done, we're going to blow people away."

Former OU coach Barry Switzer believes the Sooners have always had an advantage by sitting over the tunnel. Former UT receiver Keith Cash once said OU fans "spit on you and call you every name in the book." They show little mercy on their own, too. Former coach Gary Gibbs was hit by a cup of beer after OU lost in 1992.

The issue of seating came to a head after the 2004 game when it was reported that then-UT defensive coordinator Greg Robinson yelled profanity at OU fans while running off the field.

Staff Writer Chip Brown contributed to this report.

[Soonerus]

So it took Texas 90+ years to figure out what an advantage that was...

[mrowl]

I would only agree to this if the curtains are not present.

[Octavian]

are they still going to hang up those crybaby black curtains that Texas wanted?

[Dio]

Maybe it is time to go home and home. You think running out of a tunnel surrounded by us is so bad, try driving out of here after you lose.

[yermom]

So it took Texas 90+ years to figure out what an advantage that was...

yeah, after leading the overall series ;)

[Octavian]

So it took Texas 90+ years to figure out what an advantage that was...

yeah, it's amazing what getting your *** kicked on national TV for five straight years will cause you to start thinking.

ya gotta blame it on something.

[OUMallen]

Won't we enjoy a few more seats on the N endzone as a result?

[1stTimeCaller]

wind, it was the wind

[mrowl]

Won't we enjoy a few more seats on the N endzone as a result?

no, they will still save the very small section behind the goal post for whorns.

[Octavian]

It would be funny to see their embarrassed faces walking into Oklahoma Memorial Stadium for the first time and realizing how average DKR is...

[Sooner24]

http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/bi/gold_print.cgi

Former coach Gary Gibbs was hit by a cup of beer after OU lost in 1992.

Staff Writer Chip Brown contributed to this report.



How did they get a beer in the Cotton Bowl?

[OUstud]

Dear Texas:

**** off dip****s. :D

[sooneron]

I would be embarassed to belong to such a collective of cry baby pussies.

[1stTimeCaller]

How did they get a beer in the Cotton Bowl?

it wasn't too long ago that they stopped selling it during the game.

wasn't it? or am I making stuff up again?

[boomersooner28]

When I turned 21 they quit selling it at the games...and for good reason! :D

[horninokc]

It would be funny to see their embarrassed faces walking into Oklahoma Memorial Stadium for the first time and realizing how average DKR is...

Yawn. I think we'd get over it.

[jkjsooner]

it wasn't too long ago that they stopped selling it during the game.

wasn't it? or am I making stuff up again?

I'm thinking they had to stop when the Big 12 was formed.....

[horninokc]

So it took Texas 90+ years to figure out what an advantage that was...

I think most Horns would rather keep it like it is. We like our end and are willing to spot you whatever the tunnel gives you. It has worked out pretty well over the series for us. (no, history does NOT begin with Stoops) I don't know what DeLoss was thinking unless he just wanted to get a extra concession out of OU. It would be funny if we picked the north side next year when we are home team.

I'd have no problem with going home and home but having a stadium split 50/50 is pretty cool. Even if the Cotton Bowl is a real sewer. What a dump.

[Doublelobe46]

Why dont they just let the winner pick the for the following years game. Just a thought.

[horninokc]

Why dont they just let the winner pick the for the following years game. Just a thought.

I like that idea. Lets the bragging resume at the next meeting.

[Octavian]

Yawn. I think we'd get over it.

I think you'd tear down the 10 row upper deck and start again b/c you'd be ashamed.

Nuthin' you could do about the ridiculous amount of space between the field and the stands, the t-shirt fans, or the orange....

but you all would probably take a look at getting rid of the kiddie deck and bricking in all the ugly concrete.

[Octavian]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2417/unt03si2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

WIDE OPEN spaces...

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2425/stadium2004up9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

the most pitiful upper deck on Earth (nice grey concrete though...)

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8744/untitledgm8.png (http://imageshack.us)

..and even though it only has one endzone section that's really short and a half-mile away from the game...I guess it's better than having two open endzones sections...

[tbl]

I think it's wussy.

[colleyvillesooner]

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[Ike]

I don't think it will matter who gets which side if they keep the baby-curtains up.

[85Sooner]

In so called "negotiations" there is usually give and take. What the hell did we get for giving up our end of the stadium.

[fwsooner22]

This sucks. But I sat there last year. When that curtain went up I thought what a bunch of Mac Brown wooooosies...........please don't hurt my feelings......wahhhhh.wahhhh.................when did football players become such wimps

[Vaevictis]

In so called "negotiations" there is usually give and take. What the hell did we get for giving up our end of the stadium.

From the article:



OU officials are banking on UT taking the south end next season. In that scenario, OU fans will sit on the north side and enjoy the full view of a new video board, which measures 83 feet long and 57 feet high. Less than half of the board has been installed for Saturday's game. It won't be complete until January.

That's probably what we think we're getting.

[tru2ou]

I agree, its time to take this series to a home and home.

If I'm not mistaken, this ****ing game is played in TEXAS, EVERY YEAR! The only thing OU enjoyed was having the south end zone and being able to yell when the teams came out. The past 3-5 years have completely ruined this series for me. I've gone to the game every year since 1986 and I'd never heard a Texas fan bitch about the south end zone until the past 5 years. Now their putting up curtains and not allowing people to look over the tunnel. Its a joke.

Seriously, when they move the game to Oklahoma every other year, then I'll worry about where fans sit and having curtains up in the end zone. Until then, lets try to keep a few traditions from this game beyond playing it in a crappy stadium every year. I couldnt care less about a a video board. It means more to me to have wider seats and more seats. This tells you the focus of the people in charge down there.

I refuse to even buy the program when Texas is the home team, you're only giving money to their athletic department.


- TRU

[OUDoc]

Yawn.
You should probably get more sleep instead of trolling other peoples' boards.


Chicken sh!t move by texas. Why should we expect any different? End result of the games won't matter anyway.

[TexasLidig8r]

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Those end zone seats are being torn down after the aggy game this year.. it will be squared off, brought closer to the field and double decked.

My seats are pretty much on the line between Sections 6 and 7.

[soonernation]

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No contest.

[TexasLidig8r]

Nice aluminum stands in the back of the endzone.

I'm sure it took a lot of erector sets and left over parts from OkieLite's stadium to build that thing!

[OUDoc]

Nice aluminum stands in the back of the endzone.

I'm sure it took a lot of erector sets and left over parts from OkieLite's stadium to build that thing!
That is steel that holds up the sign/video screen. All those MNC numbers are heavy. You wouldn't understand.

[mrowl]

[email protected]

we need to find out what we got in return. And it better not be the stupid jumbotron view.

[Herr Scholz]

Here's what DKR Memorial will look like after the improvements in a few years. It will seat over 100K:

http://www.bevosports.com/images/futureDKR.jpg

Before the '07 season, the North seats will be moved up to the endzone. Before the '08 season, a deck will be added to the North endzone to connect the East and West sides. A few years after that, the bowl will be completed in the South.

As far as the seats in the Cotton Bowl, I couldn't care less. I think switching is fair, but I would've been happy to stay on the North side forever. I just think it's funny you Sooners get so worked up about it.

[Octavian]

Nice aluminum stands in the back of the endzone.

I'm sure it took a lot of erector sets and left over parts from OkieLite's stadium to build that thing!

that's not a current pic

[Fugue]

Here's what DKR Memorial will look like after the improvements in a few years. It will seat over 100K:

http://www.bevosports.com/images/futureDKR.jpg

Before the '07 season, the North seats will be moved up to the endzone. Before the '08 season, a deck will be added to the North endzone to connect the East and West sides. A few years after that, the bowl will be completed in the South.

As far as the seats in the Cotton Bowl, I couldn't care less. I think switching is fair, but I would've been happy to stay on the North side forever. I just think it's funny you Sooners get so worked up about it.

i'm sure it was the Sooners getting worked up about it that brought on the change. :rolleyes:

[Herr Scholz]

i'm sure it was the Sooners getting worked up about it that brought on the change. :rolleyes:
No, it was just UT getting our way as usual. :D Deloss took away some of your fun with the curtains last year and now we're forcing you to share the tunnel alltogether.

[Fugue]

No, it was just UT getting our way as usual. :D Deloss took away some of your fun with the curtains last year and now we're forcing you to share the tunnel alltogether.

I thought whorns had a monopoly on "sharing the tunnel". :texan:

[Herr Scholz]

Zang!

[fwsooner22]

No, it was just UT getting our way as usual. :D Deloss took away some of your fun with the curtains last year and now we're forcing you to share the tunnel alltogether.


Sissy curtains and Deloss what a perfect picture..........YOU are the National Champions..........That means the toughest, meanest bunch in the land.....not biggest sissies.........."we want to sit down there....."we want your chair"......."we want....we want......."....."OK, we will play with you but we want to make all the rules".......... What a bunch of 2nd graders......I hope we kick your sorry sissy butts all over the field again...........No wonder everyone outside of Austin refers to you as "Tea-Sips" you bunch of sissies.

[NormanPride]

I think both our Athletic Directors need to get their nuts checked. Dodds is a multi-tool and Joe C is a fun vacuum.

[Herr Scholz]

Not sissies, just making your experience less enjoyable. We tell you what to do and you do it. That's how it goes.

[TexasLidig8r]

Sissy curtains and Deloss what a perfect picture..........YOU are the National Champions..........That means the toughest, meanest bunch in the land.....not biggest sissies.........."we want to sit down there....."we want your chair"......."we want....we want......."....."OK, we will play with you but we want to make all the rules".......... What a bunch of 2nd graders......I hope we kick your sorry sissy butts all over the field again...........No wonder everyone outside of Austin refers to you as "Tea-Sips" you bunch of sissies.

In point of fact, it is only those poor, delusional, sheep lovin', rivals of Baylor, those cracked Texas A&M aggy who refer to us as "T-sippers." You wish to throw your lot in with them? :D

Now.. I don't WANT to sit on other side. I sat there for the Texas - LSU Cotton Bowl and it just seemed.. unnatural.

[Herr Scholz]

Now.. I don't WANT to sit on other side. I sat there for the Texas - LSU Cotton Bowl and it just seemed.. unnatural.
Yeah, I sat on that side for the Cotton Bowl vs. Miss St. when Ricky was here. Just didn't seem right.

[Octavian]

I thought whorns had a monopoly on "sharing the tunnel". :texan:

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[Tear Down This Wall]

It was sick to read this morning that DeLoss Dodd praised Castiglione for bending over for him. Useless. Hello...earth to Joe...we play the game in their state! And you caved in the name of "fairness"? Penis.

[sooneron]

I thought the reason for the orginal seating arrangement was tradition, each fanbase faces the general direction of their school. Nice ***** move by Dodds by ****ing with more tradition.

I don't think it's you telling us what to do and us doing it. I'm sure Joe just rolled his eyes at the request, whilst thinking, "what a bunch of fags, whatever".

[Tear Down This Wall]

Why would you blame Dodds? Castiglione is the one who agreed to it. If Castiglione had an ounce of understanding about the tradition of the game, he'd have told Dodds to shove it where the sun don't shine. Unfortunately, Castiglione was simply the tool Dodds played to get his way. Like any other tool, Castiglione will be on the sideline Saturday dressed up like a tool and grinning like an idiot. Hey, why not move a few home games to Kansas City or Dallas annually, Joe? What's the difference?

[fwsooner22]

In point of fact, it is only those poor, delusional, sheep lovin', rivals of Baylor, those cracked Texas A&M aggy who refer to us as "T-sippers." You wish to throw your lot in with them? :D

Now.. I don't WANT to sit on other side. I sat there for the Texas - LSU Cotton Bowl and it just seemed.. unnatural.


We have called you "tea-sips" for decades......among many other things....we throw our lot wherever we like.........You be able to look around the fair about Noon and know which group sips tea.............On second thought at Noon most horns will still be at little private parties eating finger sandwiches and comparing the stitiching on their new $3,000 boots that will never see a clod of dirt..you are now and always will be "tea-sips"

[yermom]

i haven't ever sat in the endzone... is this really that big of a deal?

i really don't give a **** as long as it doesn't move

[sooneron]

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My seats are pretty much on the line between Sections 6 and 7.
****! A fallootin ambulance chaser like yourself can only muster the dough for 10-15 yd line seats??

Somebody sure does talk a big game around here... Del Frisco's my ***.

[Herr Scholz]

Nice ***** move by Dodds by ****ing with more tradition.
I think we all know who the ***** is in this situation, the one being told what to do.


I don't think it's you telling us what to do and us doing it. I'm sure Joe just rolled his eyes at the request, whilst thinking, "what a bunch of fags, whatever".
Wrong. He tried to say no last year and Dodds still got his way on the renegotiation.

[sooneron]

Oh, I'm sure he still thought Dodds was ***** for even asking for it.

[TexasLidig8r]

****! A fallootin ambulance chaser like yourself can only muster the dough for 10-15 yd line seats??

Somebody sure does talk a big game around here... Del Frisco's my ***.

It's all perspective. Six seats and a hefty donation to the Longhorn Foundation every year. There are a lot of bigger dogs than me in them thar woods Sparky.

Couple of hundred at Del Frisco every once in awhile isn't that much anyway.

[sooneron]

Couple of hundred at Del Frisco every once in awhile isn't that much anyway.
Duh! Let me introduce you to Uncle Jack's.

http://www.unclejacks.com/newyorkcityrestaurants/media/unclejacksnewyorkcity.html

[Herr Scholz]

Oh, I'm sure he still thought Dodds was ***** for even asking for it.
I'm sure Dodds thought Joe C was a ***** for caving. I don't think a person telling someone else what to do really cares what they think. Just do what I say.

There wasn't any "asking" anyway. It was more Dodds "forcing" Joe C to his will.

[NormanPride]

It's pretty telling that the whorns are willing to celebrate this move by Dodds. Back in my playgroud days, the kid who had to be QB or he took his ball and went home was the bitch, not the other way around.

All Dodds cares about is money, so he's going to keep pressing until it goes home & home. Joe C is just stalling the inevitable - Texas removing what little tradition it has from itself.

[sooneron]

It's pretty telling that the whorns are willing to celebrate this move by Dodds. Back in my playgroud days, the kid who had to be QB or he took his ball and went home was the bitch, not the other way around.

All Dodds cares about is money, so he's going to keep pressing until it goes home & home. Joe C is just stalling the inevitable - Texas removing what little tradition it has from itself.
Yep

[Herr Scholz]

It's pretty telling that the whorns are willing to celebrate this move by Dodds.
I think it's funny that A) Dodds tells Joe C what to do against his will and he does it and B) you guys care what side of the field you sit on. I couldn't care less.

[fwsooner22]

Whatever happened to UT wanting to go the Pac-10? Did Deloss not get his way with that........

Deloss and the horns will take their ball and go home and I cannot wait for the first time they come to Norman.........They have no clue............

[sooneron]

Uh, Joe wanted the game in D. - DeLoss ( what kind of fag name is that anyway?) needed to have his way to keep it there. Joe C thought it was better to stick to some semblance of tradition, so he gave in to the guy with the faggy name.

[TexasLidig8r]

Whatever happened to UT wanting to go the Pac-10? Did Deloss not get his way with that........

Deloss and the horns will take their ball and go home and I cannot wait for the first time they come to Norman.........They have no clue............

Don't hold your breath on the home and home.

Jerry's World opens in 2009. One of his sons, who is on the Cotton Bowl board, will muck up the works allowing J Jones to go to both schools, tell them he will pay them a truck load of money to have the game played at Jerry's World and a 10 year contract will be signed starting when the current Cotton Bowl contract runs out.

Home and home would suck.

[Herr Scholz]

Whatever happened to UT wanting to go the Pac-10? Did Deloss not get his way with that........
He thought it was better to take over the Big 8 and make it his. :D


Deloss and the horns will take their golden hat and go home and enjoy it for another year...
Fixed that for you.

[Tear Down This Wall]

The only person ever willing to do the right thing re: Texas was Tom Osborne. None of the other seven asshat athletic directors from the old Big 8 would listen to him. Castiglione is simply caving and bending over the way Donnie Duncan did in 1994 and 1995 when they allowed Baylor and Tech to sign up along with Texas and A&M.

Look, we've got a company out of Kansas City as the marketer of our memorabilia. We've got recruiting violations in high profile (men's basketball) and low profile (gymnastics) athletic programs. The stadium name was sold to a family/company most people in Oklahoma hate. A car dealership pulled one over on our compliance department.

So, why should we be surprised that Joe C. sold us out on the Cotton Bowl seating? Does anyone really think Castiglione cares about anything but the dollar? Playing a game in another team's home state means nothing to him. "Hey, DeLoss, we'll keep coming down there, just tell us where to sit." Anyone think Port Robertson would have stood for that back in the day?

Here's an idea, Joe. For a million or two dollars, why not just give Texas 2 for 1s - we play them in Austin two years, they play us in the Cotton Bowl and tell us where to sit every third year. You can have the sports marketing firm in Kansas City handle the merchandising aspects of it. You can change the name of of the rivalry from "The Red River Rivalry" to "The Red River Bend Over."

[Rhino]

I think it's funny that A) Dodds tells Joe C what to do against his will and he does it and B) you guys care what side of the field you sit on. I couldn't care less. For not caring much about switching sides, you sure are posting alot in a thread about switching sides.

Sounds like a personal problem.

[Herr Scholz]

For not caring much about switching sides, you sure are posting alot in a thread about switching sides.

Sounds like a personal problem.
You guys are obviously upset about being told what to do and then doing it. I find it quite humorous.

When we say jump, just ask "how high?" and be done with it. :D

[sooneron]

You guys are obviously upset about being told what to do and then doing it. I find it quite humorous.

When we say jump, just ask "how high?" and be done with it. :D
Riiiiight!
Or we can just say that we gave the cry baby a sucker.:texan:

[Rhino]

BTW Herr, you sure did care alot about where you sat last year.

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[NormanPride]

Don't hold your breath on the home and home.

Jerry's World opens in 2009. One of his sons, who is on the Cotton Bowl board, will muck up the works allowing J Jones to go to both schools, tell them he will pay them a truck load of money to have the game played at Jerry's World and a 10 year contract will be signed starting when the current Cotton Bowl contract runs out.

Home and home would suck.

That's good, because it certainly looks like your whiny AD is trying his best to make the deal sour enough for us to go home and home.

Personally, I don't want to see the fights that would be caused by going to a home and home.

[colleyvillesooner]

BTW Herr, you sure did care alot about where you sat last year.

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[soonervegas]

This WOULD be an issue if the curtains we coming down...but don't hold out that hope because now that Texas has played the "our players were getting their feeling hurt" card....the tarp is up for good. With the tarp up, there is no advantage either way.

This was probably a rolling eyes moment for Joe C. Fact is texas gave up more with the view of the new scoreboard and easier entrance/exit from the stadium.

I hear Dodds and Joe C. are working on a no noise rule (for 2011 and beyond) while the opposing team is on offense.

[horninokc]

****! A fallootin ambulance chaser like yourself can only muster the dough for 10-15 yd line seats??

Somebody sure does talk a big game around here... Del Frisco's my ***.

There's guys sitting in the temporary bleachers in the south endzone that ponied up a $2 K donation this year. A lot depends when you started buying tickets. As long as you keep the same donation level each year you keep your seats. I started in 1986 and mine donation is cheap! :)

[boomer214]

yeah, it's amazing what getting your *** kicked on national TV for five straight years will cause you to start thinking.

ya gotta blame it on something.

yes...

fans that are used to sitting on the arses and not making any noise coming to a place that is notorious for fans that sit on their arse and not make noise... they'll probably feel right at home...

[Herr Scholz]

Riiiiight!
Or we can just say that we gave the cry baby a sucker.:texan:
You gave the crybaby a sucker when you didn't want to? That must be one tough crybaby or you guys are a bunch of wimps. :D

Like I said, "JUMP!" :D

[Octavian]

yes...

fans that are used to sitting on the arses and not making any noise coming to a place that is notorious for fans that sit on their arse and not make noise... they'll probably feel right at home...

uh huh.....I think you remember your brief trip to Norman in '03 and how we "greeted" your humble fanbase.

how's Boone's Rustoleum makeover comin'?

[FaninAma]

Joe Castiglione is a wuss. He left Boren and Stoops twisting in the wind on the Oregon referee issue and he bends over every time Texas brings out their jar of vaseline and tells him to assume the position. And please don't throw out how good of a fundraiser he is. Boren is the main guy who brings in the contributions...not Castiglione.

[fwsooner22]

BTW Herr, you sure did care alot about where you sat last year.

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Herr = Red Face

[XingTheRubicon]

You gave the crybaby a sucker when you didn't want to? That must be one tough crybaby or you guys are a bunch of wimps. :D

Like I said, "JUMP!" :D

I thought texas wanted the conference to be named "the Southwest 12" or "the Great Southwest" but basically it was Big 12 or you could lie and rot like the rest of your pathetic conference.

No matter what you do or say, texas is one of four waifs in the BIG 12.


BIG 12.

[cwood60]

Don't hold your breath on the home and home.

Jerry's World opens in 2009. One of his sons, who is on the Cotton Bowl board, will muck up the works allowing J Jones to go to both schools, tell them he will pay them a truck load of money to have the game played at Jerry's World and a 10 year contract will be signed starting when the current Cotton Bowl contract runs out.

Home and home would suck.

Can you imagine the smell and the sight of ':( ' on the campus of OU.....Owen Field.....Memorial Stadium? Do we really want to contaminate the stature of this University by having these clowns there - I don't? Move it to Jerry's place or leave at the CB. Let 'em have the south end and while we're at it, give 'em a coupon for free appetizers at TGIF.

[colleyvillesooner]

Don't hold your breath on the home and home.

Jerry's World opens in 2009. One of his sons, who is on the Cotton Bowl board, will muck up the works allowing J Jones to go to both schools, tell them he will pay them a truck load of money to have the game played at Jerry's World and a 10 year contract will be signed starting when the current Cotton Bowl contract runs out.

Home and home would suck.

Don't the schools get all the money from concessions and ticket sales? They're not giving that up.

plus, like when the Big 12 game is at Arrowhead, Chiefs Season Tickets holders get some tickets. Think the schools want Cowboys Season ticket holders to have a crack at tickets?

[TexasLidig8r]

Don't the schools get all the money from concessions and ticket sales? They're not giving that up.

plus, like when the Big 12 game is at Arrowhead, Chiefs Season Tickets holders get some tickets. Think the schools want Cowboys Season ticket holders to have a crack at tickets?

Everything is negotiable.

DeLoss: "Jerry, pay each school $5Mil a year for 10 years, we get to split all the seats, all revenue including suite rentals go to you. You get to pick whatever corporations you want to host this thing and you get that income. We split the concessions."

Jerry: "Fine, except I keep my box."

DeLoss: "That works... oh.. ok with you Joe... uh. Joe... Joe..."

Joe: "Which way did they go.. which way did they go????"

[fwsooner22]

He thought it was better to take over the Big 8 and make it his. :D


Fixed that for you.

If that was the case it would be called the Southwest 12.......Incidentally which Big 8 team was left out of the Big 12............Um that would be NONE.........

It remains the Big 8 and four teams from Texas.........JUMP on that

[sooneron]

Like I said, "JUMP!" :D

I doubt your tax bracket is high enough to tell me when to jump.

[colleyvillesooner]

Everything is negotiable.

DeLoss: "Jerry, pay each school $5Mil a year for 10 years, we get to split all the seats, all revenue including suite rentals go to you. You get to pick whatever corporations you want to host this thing and you get that income. We split the concessions."

Jerry: "Fine, except I keep my box."

DeLoss: "That works... oh.. ok with you Joe... uh. Joe... Joe..."

Joe: "Which way did they go.. which way did they go????"

I just don't see it happening.

[mrowl]

if the dallas bond package fails (which is likely), than we are going to Jerry World.

If it passes, I want to see the actual design of what they are planning for the cotton bowl. That will tell more of what the future holds.

[fwsooner22]

Deloss Dodds in 24 years has 12 national championships.........WOW......but wait 8 of them are in swimming and diving.........so that leaves the 3 baseball and 1 football...............Sorry, but that's not something I am jumping up and down for..............I thought ut was "all that" in everything...........24 years and that's it at the greatest university with the most money in the country. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.........at OU that's failure. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Tear Down This Wall]

Everything is negotiable.

DeLoss: "Jerry, pay each school $5Mil a year for 10 years, we get to split all the seats, all revenue including suite rentals go to you. You get to pick whatever corporations you want to host this thing and you get that income. We split the concessions."

Jerry: "Fine, except I keep my box."

DeLoss: "That works... oh.. ok with you Joe... uh. Joe... Joe..."

Joe: "Whatever DeLoss wants is fine with me...er...us when it comes to football. But with one stipulation - the marketing is done by our Kansas City merchandiser. I was the athletic director at Missouri, you know. How does my tie look? I'm about to go stand on the sideline of a football game, you know. I've got to look like I know what I'm doing. And, my teeth...are they white enough? Oh, sorry, fellas, I gotta go. That's Big Red Sports and Imports vibrating my phone. Do you all have that feature on your phones? Anyway, we're sending them some football players to get a little real life work in, you know what I mean? What you guys do with drug trafficking we do with automobile sales and such. Did I ask about my tie yet? I am going to be on the sideline for a football game here pretty soon. Gotta keep up appearances, you know."

Fixed.

[Herr Scholz]

I thought texas wanted the conference to be named "the Southwest 12" or "the Great Southwest" but basically it was Big 12 or you could lie and rot like the rest of your pathetic conference.

No matter what you do or say, texas is one of four waifs in the BIG 12.


BIG 12.
Waif? Is that why we've won far and away the most conference titles? Is that why the conference headquarters are in Dallas? Is that why Texas got to make all the rules during the formation of the conference, forcing Tom Osborne to take his ball and go home?

Not only does Texas owns the Big XII, your athletic department would be nothing what it is today without the television revenue we brought to the dying Big 8. Was the SWC floundering? No doubt. The Big 8 was circling the toilet as well.

[mrowl]

did I miss Herrs response on getting OWNED?

[sooneron]

Waif? Is that why we've won far and away the most conference titles? Is that why the conference headquarters are in Dallas? Is that why Texas got to make all the rules during the formation of the conference, forcing Tom Osborne to take his ball and go home?

Not only does Texas owns the Big XII, your athletic department would be nothing what it is today without the television revenue we brought to the dying Big 8. Was the SWC floundering? No doubt. The Big 8 was circling the toilet as well.
Yeah, those 5 national FOOTBALL titles from 85-97, won by big 8 teams seemed to be the writing on the wall.:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, which conference had teams bailing on it?

[Herr Scholz]

Deloss Dodds in 24 years has 12 national championships
Let me look up the real stats to show your ignorance. Give me a moment.

[Herr Scholz]

Yeah, those 5 national FOOTBALL titles from 85-97, won by big 8 teams seemed to be the writing on the wall.:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, which conference had teams bailing on it?
How was the rest of your athletic dept.? Oh yeah, you didn't have one. :rolleyes:

[Sooner24]

How was the rest of your athletic dept.? Oh yeah, you didn't have one. :rolleyes:




BTW Herr, you sure did care alot about where you sat last year.

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So when are you going to reply to this? :D

[Sooner24]

it wasn't too long ago that they stopped selling it during the game.

wasn't it? or am I making stuff up again?


I have been going to OU/Texas since 73 and they have never sold beer there in all the years I have been going.

[sooneron]

How was the rest of your athletic dept.? Oh yeah, you didn't have one. :rolleyes:
Yeah, uh, that's stupid.

National title in Baseball in 94 (you whorns love spouting off baseball champs)
Golf- 90
Basketball - Solid teams with the exception of the tubbs-sampson handover. National title game - 88 , Oh yeah a Big 8 team won that year. You might remember, we pretty much owned your team's *** for the better part of 15 years in BB, until 03.

[Herr Scholz]

Deloss Dodds in 24 years has 12 national championships.........WOW......but wait 8 of them are in swimming and diving.........so that leaves the 3 baseball and 1 football
http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=101

UT has 47 team national titles compared to what for you? 20? Since the formation of the Big XII, Texas has won 9 national titles to OU's 1. We've won 2 in baseball, 1 in football, 4 in men's swimming, 1 in women's outdoor track and 1 in women's indoor track. Not a contest.

Since the formation of the Big XII, UT has won 73 conference titles. No one else is even close. Nebraska is 2nd and like 25 behind. OU has less overall conference titles than your aggie brethren in Stillwater.

http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=102

[Herr Scholz]

So when are you going to reply to this? :D
What did I argue? That it was fair for the schools to switch sides and that you guys are complete a-holes in the tunnel? Well, I stand by that. I still couldn't care less what side we sit on.

If you guys don't want to switch, what are you scared of BTW?

[Herr Scholz]

Yeah, uh, that's stupid.

National title in Baseball in 94 (you whorns love spouting off baseball champs)
Golf- 90
Basketball - Solid teams with the exception of the tubbs-sampson handover. National title game - 88 , Oh yeah a Big 8 team won that year. You might remember, we pretty much owned your team's *** for the better part of 15 years in BB, until 03.
Yawn. Like I said.

[sooneron]

http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=101

UT has 47 team national titles compared to what for you? 20? Since the formation of the Big XII, Texas has won 9 national titles to OU's 1. We've won 2 in baseball, 1 in football, 4 in men's swimming, 1 in women's outdoor track and 1 in women's indoor track. Not a contest.

Since the formation of the Big XII, UT has won 73 conference titles. No one else is even close. Nebraska is 2nd and like 25 behind. OU has less overall conference titles than your aggie brethren in Stillwater.

http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=102

Are you a liar or just lazy??

Women's softball - 01
Men's Gymanstics - what is it now? Oh yeah, 4

That brings our team title to 6 to the almighhty whorns with all of their unlimited funds and the wealthiest most successful fanbase evar!!! How did we accomplish so much? I forgot how superior you guys are.

[Sooner24]

What did I argue? That it was fair for the schools to switch sides and that you guys are complete a-holes in the tunnel? Well, I stand by that. I still couldn't care less what side we sit on.

If you guys don't want to switch, what are you scared of BTW?


Who said I was scared? Who said I cared if they switch? Who cares if you choke on a cow turd and die?


Not me. :D

[sooneron]

Yawn. Like I said.
You're right. Swimming and diving is the ****.

[Herr Scholz]

Congrats. We still obliterate you in conference titles. We still OWN the Big XII and it's not even an argument.

Let me know when your athletice dept. gets labeled as #1 in the country by any publications. I won't hold my breath.

[boomer214]

uh huh.....I think you remember your brief trip to Norman in '03 and how we "greeted" your humble fanbase.

how's Boone's Rustoleum makeover comin'?

uh huh....I think you remember your brief trip to Stillwater the year prior and how we "greeted" your not-so-humble fanbase.

The makover's lovely, thank you.

[colleyvillesooner]

What did I argue? That it was fair for the schools to switch sides and that you guys are complete a-holes in the tunnel? Well, I stand by that. I still couldn't care less what side we sit on.

If you guys don't want to switch, what are you scared of BTW?

We don't want to switch cause that's the tradition. It's just one more thing chipped away from the game. Next thing you know, you guys will stop being arrogant pricks. What fun will that be? ;)

[sooneron]

We don't want to switch cause that's the tradition. It's just one more thing chipped away from the game. Next thing you know, you guys will stop being arrogant pricks. What fun will that be? ;)
Arrogance and UTerus go together like goosestepping and nazism.

[sooneron]

Congrats. We still obliterate you in conference titles. We still OWN the Big XII and it's not even an argument.

Let me know when your athletice dept. gets labeled as #1 in the country by any publications. I won't hold my breath.
I believe we were ranked third or fourth a couple years ago in SI. Sorry, we just po dunk trash up'ere.

I wouldn't call obliterating 9-6 in conf team titles. Well, I guess I would if I were a whorn.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Once again, a football thread degenerates into the number of championship each school has in non-revenue producing/fag sports.

Stick to the subject - Joe C. bent over for DeLoss (probably didn't even get a reach around) and expects us to happy that we get to be the first to view the crappy new video screen the Cotton Bowl people are installing 10 years too late. What a dope.

Fellow Sooners, quit reading anything 'Texas' into this. This is nothing more than our athletic director getting his butt kicked in negotiations. Just because Mack Brown whined about the seating doesn't mean Joe C. had to agree to change it. Just because Texas threatened to move the game doesn't mean he had to cave.

But, as we all know now, he did cave. He supposedly caved in the name of keeping the game within the holy confines of the Cotton Bowl. What a bunch of crap. The game is moving to Arlington or to home and home anyway. Joe just allowed DeLoss to bend him (and us) over for two or three years until the inevitable move occurs.

[fwsooner22]

Once again, a football thread degenerates into the number of championship each school has in non-revenue producing/fag sports.

Stick to the subject - Joe C. bent over for DeLoss (probably didn't even get a reach around) and expects us to happy that we get to be the first to view the crappy new video screen the Cotton Bowl people are installing 10 years too late. What a dope.

Fellow Sooners, quit reading anything 'Texas' into this. This is nothing more than our athletic director getting his butt kicked in negotiations. Just because Mack Brown whined about the seating doesn't mean Joe C. had to agree to change it. Just because Texas threatened to move the game doesn't mean he had to cave.

But, as we all know now, he did cave. He supposedly caved in the name of keeping the game within the holy confines of the Cotton Bowl. What a bunch of crap. The game is moving to Arlington or to home and home anyway. Joe just allowed DeLoss to bend him (and us) over for two or three years until the inevitable move occurs.


So what would you have us all do................Do you remember where we were when he got here...........I have ripped him new holes in personal e-mails about the increase in ticket prices and the silly "points" BS...........you know what he does.........he personally e-mails you back and shares your concern and then explains why he did what he did.......Try it and get back to us......then you have every right to rip him here.....right now you are just wasting time.

[Tear Down This Wall]

Do you remember where we were when he got here...........

Yes, having seats in the South End Zone of the Cotton Bowl, and with no programs on probation or under investigation.

[Stitch Face]

Yes, having seats in the South End Zone of the Cotton Bowl, and with no programs on probation or under investigation.

Let's see...having Blake as a coach, but getting to sit on the South every year. Yeah, I long for those days.

[goingoneight]

I agree, its time to take this series to a home and home.

If I'm not mistaken, this ****ing game is played in TEXAS, EVERY YEAR! The only thing OU enjoyed was having the south end zone and being able to yell when the teams came out. The past 3-5 years have completely ruined this series for me. I've gone to the game every year since 1986 and I'd never heard a Texas fan bitch about the south end zone until the past 5 years. Now their putting up curtains and not allowing people to look over the tunnel. Its a joke.

Seriously, when they move the game to Oklahoma every other year, then I'll worry about where fans sit and having curtains up in the end zone. Until then, lets try to keep a few traditions from this game beyond playing it in a crappy stadium every year. I couldnt care less about a a video board. It means more to me to have wider seats and more seats. This tells you the focus of the people in charge down there.

I refuse to even buy the program when Texas is the home team, you're only giving money to their athletic department.


- TRU


Have you ever even been to the RRS before? Home and home is absolutely stupid. That's would be like OU/aggy... This rivalry deserves to stand its tradition....

[leavingthezoo]

I won't hold my breath.

we won't hold it against you if your change your mind. especially if it leads to permanent unconsciousness. :mad:

[goingoneight]

I'm sure Dodds thought Joe C was a ***** for caving. I don't think a person telling someone else what to do really cares what they think. Just do what I say.

There wasn't any "asking" anyway. It was more Dodds "forcing" Joe C to his will.


Dude, I'm starting to worry about your sanity, do you actually believe that? Two very powerful Athletic Directors in a bully fight? They're both caving for messing with tradition, just like trying to move the game to Jerry World, home-and-home, get it away from the fair and all that other nonsense. Joe C. has been a fantastic AD in his tenure and only the loud mouthes have written him off for trying to be fair and classy. Whoever your AD is, don't you feel these two guys rank among the finest in the country?

What other two Athletic Departments in the U.S. consistently get their name out there (ranked) in football, basketball AND baseball among other little games every year?

[FaninAma]

And the dirty little secret within the state of Texas itself is that there are way more people who detest UTerus and their program than like and support them.

Texas is like the mouse that roared. They were essentially told to shut up and sit down when they tried to leave all of their little brethern behind in the old SWC breakup.

[Octavian]

OU has less overall conference titles than your aggie brethren in Stillwater.


this a football board, Herr...take your hairless swimming smack someplace else.

but if you wanna bring aggy into a discussion on the football forum, let's take a look.

In America's most lopsided intrastate rivalry, OU has a commanding 77-16-7 series lead against it's aggy....home or away, OU keeps it's aggy in an embarrassingly fearful check.

Our aggy's never beaten us three times in a row. Ever.

OTOH, Texas only has an average 66-34-5 lead over it's aggy...and the record is a near deadlock at it's aggy's homefield.

Your aggy has won as many as 6 in a row and has a streak of 9 outta 10.

You can't let your aggy get outta line like that.

Aggy from any state has to know that the b1tch-slap is just a moment's notice away....and you have a history of letting yours act out.

[TexasLidig8r]

As God as my witness, I am going to go postal if aggy sticks their sheep lickin noses in this during this week. They are in their place at the kiddy table where they belong. They are irrelevant even during weeks when you play them.

It's time for the greatest college football tradition in the United States boys.

[Stitch Face]

Dude, I'm starting to worry about your sanity, do you actually believe that? Two very powerful Athletic Directors in a bully fight?

Actually, Herr just seems to have an obsession with two men 'forcing their will' on each other or whatever he keeps drooling about over there.

[OUDoc]

Actually, Herr just seems to have an obsession with two men 'forcing their will' on each other or whatever he keeps drooling about over there.
Reminds Herr of holidays with the family, I'd imagine.

[sooneron]

Reminds Herr of holidays with the family, I'd imagine.
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[Tear Down This Wall]

Let's see...having Blake as a coach, but getting to sit on the South every year. Yeah, I long for those days.

The discussion has nothing to do with Blake. John Blake was never the athletic director. It's a discussion about athletic directors and the seating at the Cotton Bowl for the Red River Rivalry.

We've had the South End Zone seats since the beginning for a reason - we're in their home state, giving up a home game every other year. Every other athletic director we've had would not have entertained the idea of switching. Joe Castiglione is different - he licks DeLoss Dodds' boots instead of holding his ground.

Regardless of what people who want it to stay in Dallas feel, the game will not stay there. Time and again we have hashed out the inability of the Dallas City Council to understand the importance of the game. Outside of football and the Cotton Bowl, the Dallas City Council has worked hard the past 16 years to turn Dallas into the same type of ghetto craphole that you see in Detroit and Philadelphia. It's well its way.

The game will be moved. Alabama-Aubrn went home and home after decades of holding the game in Birmingham. The Brooklyn Dodgers moved to Los Angeles. The New York Giants moved to San Francisco. The Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis. The Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore. Roger Clemens played for the Yankees and the Red Sox. Ditto Johnny Damon - two years removed from the Red Sox miracle season.

There is no more nostalgia to the people who run the shows. It's all about the almighty dollar. Joe Castiglione is an almighty dollar man. He doesn't give a rat's fatass about our traditions.

Jerry Jones' new stadium will someday hold not only the OU-Texas game, but the Cotton Bowl game as well. He has the money, will, and clout to make it happen whether we like it or not. The Dallas City Council could care less, equating the OU-Texas game to the Grambling-Prairie View game.

Knowing that the game will eventually move no matter where fans sit for the next four to five years at the old Cotton Bowl, Joe Castiglione could have stood up and told DeLoss Dodds to stick it. He didn't. He caved. Let our Kansas City merchandisers fire up their presses for new memorabilia for the Red River Bend Over.

You don't have to like DeLoss Dodds or Jerry Jones to understand that Joe C. let us get screwed. I think all three are tools.

[TexasLidig8r]

WALL.. DAMMIT !!! STOP IT!! STOP IT!!!!

IT CAN'T HAPPEN! IT WON'T HAPPEN!!!!

NO MORE CYNICISM!!!!

It WILL stay at the Cotton Bowl.. IT WILL... IT WILL....

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[Tear Down This Wall]

I know you're kidding, Lid. We both live in or around Dallas and know better.

The most ridiculous thing to me is the demand that the city give the same amount of money to Grambling and Prairie View A&M as it gives OU and Texas. It's absurd.

Anyone who thinks the current Cotton Bowl has a prayer of a chance of retaining OU-Texas (and the actual Cotton Bowl game) needs look no further than that incredibly short-sighted mindset to understand why we'll be paying Jerry in 2009 to sit in his new stadium and drink Pepsi while watching OU demolish Texas.

[Taxman71]

Frankly, it's no big deal to me if the game moves to JerryWorld and the split is in the endzones instead of the 50. It takes away yet another whorn excuse. As long as the game is played in the DFW area, OU's roster is full of Texans and the whorns retain their "too cool" attitude, we will continue to pwn them.

Home and home is still the worst idea ever.

[TexasLidig8r]

I know you're kidding, Lid. We both live in or around Dallas and know better.

The most ridiculous thing to me is the demand that the city give the same amount of money to Grambling and Prairie View A&M as it gives OU and Texas. It's absurd.

Anyone who thinks the current Cotton Bowl has a prayer of a chance of retaining OU-Texas (and the actual Cotton Bowl game) needs look no further than that incredibly short-sighted mindset to understand why we'll be paying Jerry in 2009 to sit in his new stadium and drink Pepsi while watching Texas demolish OU.

Unfortunately... that does appear to be our fate.

[delhalew]

I think its a DAMN shame, and share the frustration with those that recognize this as a further errosion of the tradition of one of my favorite match-ups of the season.

...and that stupid curtain. With the seating reversed, were I a Sooner athlete, I would expect to be wearing pepsi and have my mothers dignity in question.

Wuss move from the whorns.

[goingoneight]

http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=101

UT has 47 team national titles compared to what for you? 20? Since the formation of the Big XII, Texas has won 9 national titles to OU's 1. We've won 2 in baseball, 1 in football, 4 in men's swimming, 1 in women's outdoor track and 1 in women's indoor track. Not a contest.

Since the formation of the Big XII, UT has won 73 conference titles. No one else is even close. Nebraska is 2nd and like 25 behind. OU has less overall conference titles than your aggie brethren in Stillwater.

http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=102

Look!!! It's a :stunned: posing as a :texan: !!!

I'll give you the baseball since I used to play baseball, but who really gives a shat about anything else besides football on that list???

[SleestakSooner]

Orignally posted by Herr Schitz

So why not swap with us? If it's no big deal... You guys know having that tunnel is an advantage and you don't want to give it up.

Sounds more like begging than Deloss "forcing his will" on anyone. Now get back on your knees Herr. I find it humorous you got pwned and won't man up and take it.

[Taxman71]

Actually, OU has won NC's recently in gymnastics and softball that I can think of. However, unlike :texan: or :stunned: , you won't hear us bringing it up on a football board......or anywhere else for that matter.

You're bragging about track and swimming? Really?

[josh09]

http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/bi/gold_print.cgi

OU to give up end zone seats in '07

New contract calls for home team to choose its side

06:14 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 3, 2006

By BRIAN DAVIS / The Dallas Morning News

NORMAN, Okla. – To keep the series between Texas and Oklahoma in Dallas through 2010, OU officials had to make a major concession during negotiations.

OU will give up its seats in the Cotton Bowl's south end zone next year and end a decades-long tradition of Sooners fans sitting over the tunnel entrance, which enables them to cheer their team and harass their rivals.

UT fans normally sit on the north end of the stadium, but school officials asked OU to flip sides last year as part of a gentleman's agreement. OU balked at that idea. Now, it's written into the five-year contract extension that the home team will choose its side, athletic directors at both schools said.

"We didn't have to agree to anything," Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione said. "Let's make it loud and clear to everybody, there are always choices.

"While some might favor one choice or the other, we have to respect the best interests of everyone involved and have those decisions reflect the ultimate goal – keeping the game in Dallas."

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said it was the fair thing to do, and he praised Castiglione for agreeing to include the new seating option.

"When you're the home team, you get the choice," Dodds said. "They're the home team this year. Next year, we'll have the option of sitting where we want to sit."

Castiglione said officials thought the decision through.

OU is the home team in even-numbered years, so the Sooners get the choice of sides three times in the current five-year deal. The Longhorns get to choose in 2007 and 2009. OU fans will sit in the south end zone this year, as is custom.

OU officials are banking on UT taking the south end next season. In that scenario, OU fans will sit on the north side and enjoy the full view of a new video board, which measures 83 feet long and 57 feet high. Less than half of the board has been installed for Saturday's game. It won't be complete until January.

The Cotton Bowl stadium expansion is slated to be finished before the 2008 season if a $1.35 billion bond package passes in November. OU would be first to choose between sitting over the tunnel or sitting on the new end with more seats where, theoretically, it should be louder.

"It's going to be beautiful," State Fair president Errol McCoy said. "I think when it's all said and done, we're going to blow people away."

Former OU coach Barry Switzer believes the Sooners have always had an advantage by sitting over the tunnel. Former UT receiver Keith Cash once said OU fans "spit on you and call you every name in the book." They show little mercy on their own, too. Former coach Gary Gibbs was hit by a cup of beer after OU lost in 1992.

The issue of seating came to a head after the 2004 game when it was reported that then-UT defensive coordinator Greg Robinson yelled profanity at OU fans while running off the field.

Staff Writer Chip Brown contributed to this report.


dang, no more spitting on people in orange in the odd numbered years