What a dumba$$

[KaiserSooner]

It's sad to see people like this who can't get past the "filth" to see the bigger picture in works of literature. And during Banned Book Week no less!!

http://www.hcnonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17270600

[leavingthezoo]

you know what's wrong with America? Literacy. We should ban it.

[BajaOklahoma]

A teacher in Frisco was fired for taking her elementary class to the Dallas Museum of Art. And the kids were exposed to "porn" - naked pics and statues.
<sigh> Bet the parents have never been to a museum.

[yermom]

they should totally burn that book

[mdklatt]

"It's just all kinds of filth," said Alton Verm, adding that he had not read "Fahrenheit 451."

:rolleyes:

[OUDoc]

People is stupid.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Kids, you cant read that book, so i am taking you to watch jackass 2

[TUSooner]

Hokey Smokes, Bullwinkle!

[handcrafted]

"Alton Verm said he doesn't understand how the district can punish students for using bad language, yet require them to read a book with bad language as part of a class."

The way I see it, the man has a point.

There are plenty of great works of literature that I want my son to read when he's old enough. There are even parts of the Bible that are not appropriatly taught in a children's Sunday school class, simply because they are too young to understand them and they would not grasp the full meaning, anyway. Literature should be presented at the appropriate level of maturity and understanding to kids of whatever age. I never had to read Fahrenheit 451, I'm not that big a fan of Bradbury, but when he's older if he wants to read it, then fine. I'll have to judge his maturity level at the time.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Like Amnon being hot after his half sister, and feeling bad about it...His buddy tells him its ok and then tells him to play sick, have his sister come to his bedroom and check on him, rapes her, hates her as soon as it is over and tells her to get lost...Absalom the brother a couple of years later takes amnon on a trip, and kills him...Absalom runs off, fights with his daddy for a while, and ends up dead too....You mean a story like that?...2 Samuel 13 by the way

[Oldnslo]

"Alton Verm said he doesn't understand how the district can punish students for using bad language, yet require them to read a book with bad language as part of a class."

The way I see it, the man has a point.

There are plenty of great works of literature that I want my son to read when he's old enough. There are even parts of the Bible that are not appropriatly taught in a children's Sunday school class, simply because they are too young to understand them and they would not grasp the full meaning, anyway. Literature should be presented at the appropriate level of maturity and understanding to kids of whatever age. I never had to read Fahrenheit 451, I'm not that big a fan of Bradbury, but when he's older if he wants to read it, then fine. I'll have to judge his maturity level at the time.
She's a sophomore in High School. She's old enough. It's a great big world out there.

...and is it okay for me to find "Ban Farenheit 451" to be the single most ironic and unintentionally hilarious statement of the year?

[handcrafted]

Like Amnon being hot after his half sister, and feeling bad about it...His buddy tells him its ok and then tells him to play sick, have his sister come to his bedroom and check on him, rapes her, hates her as soon as it is over and tells her to get lost...Absalom the brother a couple of years later takes amnon on a trip, and kills him...Absalom runs off, fights with his daddy for a while, and ends up dead too....You mean a story like that?...2 Samuel 13 by the way

Yes, I mean a story like that.

[SoonerInKCMO]

Like Amnon being hot after his half sister, and feeling bad about it...His buddy tells him its ok and then tells him to play sick, have his sister come to his bedroom and check on him, rapes her, hates her as soon as it is over and tells her to get lost...Absalom the brother a couple of years later takes amnon on a trip, and kills him...Absalom runs off, fights with his daddy for a while, and ends up dead too....You mean a story like that?...2 Samuel 13 by the way

I've always been partial to the one about Lot's daughters getting him drunk and getting knocked up by him because they didn't like any of the guys in their new town. :)

[handcrafted]

She's a sophomore in High School. She's old enough.

Not if she were MY daughter.


...and is it okay for me to find "Ban Farenheit 451" to be the single most ironic and unintentionally hilarious statement of the year?

Only if you equate keeping age-inappropriate material out of schools with the government completely destroying works of literature that it doesn't agree with and telling adults they cannot read or own such materials upon pain of imprisonment.

I don't see the connection. Apples v. Oranges. Lots of people think that "Lady Chatterly's Lover" is a great work of literature. You think kids oughta be reading that?

[NormanPride]

"Alton Verm said he doesn't understand how the district can punish students for using bad language, yet require them to read a book with bad language as part of a class."

The way I see it, the man has a point.

There are plenty of great works of literature that I want my son to read when he's old enough. There are even parts of the Bible that are not appropriatly taught in a children's Sunday school class, simply because they are too young to understand them and they would not grasp the full meaning, anyway. Literature should be presented at the appropriate level of maturity and understanding to kids of whatever age. I never had to read Fahrenheit 451, I'm not that big a fan of Bradbury, but when he's older if he wants to read it, then fine. I'll have to judge his maturity level at the time.

I sincerely hope you can at least appreciate the enormous amount of irony in that article. :D I don't agree with your assessment, but I can see where it comes from.

[royalfan5]

I learned about bad language useage from my family way before I cracked Farenhite 451 as 4th grader. At least I was ruined before I decided to read the book. **** my parent for not sheltering me from the world.

[crawfish]

I've always been partial to the one about Lot's daughters getting him drunk and getting knocked up by him because they didn't like any of the guys in their new town. :)

Actually, they thought they were the only people left in the world. Kinda interesting that they ended up giving birth to two of the founders of Israelite's chief enemies in Caanan, don't ya think? Not all of the stories in the bible are meant to present "positive" messages.

Agree with handcrafted that age-appropriateness needs to be considered when putting books in a school library. Agree that F451 isn't one of these cases. Agree also that trying to ban F451 in schools is very, very humerous. :)

[yermom]

i read it when i was 12 or so for school, i don't remember reading anything that was too offensive

are there excerpts or something that they have issues with? if you haven't heard the George Carlin words by junior high you are pretty sheltered

[1stTimeCaller]

Not if she were MY daughter.


you purposefully raising immature kids or what? ;)

[GottaHavePride]

Not if she were MY daughter.



Only if you equate keeping age-inappropriate material out of schools with the government completely destroying works of literature that it doesn't agree with and telling adults they cannot read or own such materials upon pain of imprisonment.

I don't see the connection. Apples v. Oranges. Lots of people think that "Lady Chatterly's Lover" is a great work of literature. You think kids oughta be reading that?
So, you don't see any humor in a person wanting to ban a book about baning books? I find it hilarious. And sad.

And I agree with George Carlin. Words are just words; they can't be inherently "bad" or "good". The intent behind them, however, CAN.

[Octavian]

His 15-year-old daughter Diana, a CCHS sophomore, came to him Sept. 21 with her reservations about reading the book because of its language.
"The book had a bunch of very bad language in it," Diana Verm said. "It shouldn't be in there because it's offending people. ... If they can't find a book that uses clean words, they shouldn't have a book at all."

if your 15-year-old offspring doesn't know "bad" words...then he or she has got some major problems.

And who says you have the right not be offended anyway? Just home-school your precious Johny or Suzie and forbid them to go to college. Or get a job.

This guy reminds me of the people who wanted to ban Huck Finn b/c it didn't use racially PC language....completely missing the point that it advocated racial equality...

[handcrafted]

You know, I really object to the idea that knowing how to curse is a sign of maturity. I have just the opposite opinion. Some people get along just fine without a potty mouth, and they sound more intelligent and refined because they do. I try not to curse but it slips out occasionally; spend a little time in the service and it tends to seep in. You all parent your children the way you see fit, but don't come down on those of us who want to change the culture for the better by bringing up kids who can express themselves without resort to filth. Mmmmmmmkay?

:mad:

[Scott D]

You know, I really object to the idea that knowing how to curse is a sign of maturity. I have just the opposite opinion. Some people get along just fine without a potty mouth, and they sound more intelligent and refined because they do. I try not to curse but it slips out occasionally; spend a little time in the service and it tends to seep in. You all parent your children the way you see fit, but don't come down on those of us who want to change the culture for the better by bringing up kids who can express themselves without resort to filth. Mmmmmmmkay?

:mad:

I support this message. However, any profanity or 'questionable content' in a book shouldn't be viewed upon the basis of the content itself, but rather the context of which it is being used.

[yermom]

You know, I really object to the idea that knowing how to curse is a sign of maturity. I have just the opposite opinion. Some people get along just fine without a potty mouth, and they sound more intelligent and refined because they do. I try not to curse but it slips out occasionally; spend a little time in the service and it tends to seep in. You all parent your children the way you see fit, but don't come down on those of us who want to change the culture for the better by bringing up kids who can express themselves without resort to filth. Mmmmmmmkay?

:mad:

i'll agree with that, the vocabulary of the average person is going in the ****ter (heh)

people can't even read an email if it's longer than a paragraph :rolleyes:

that might actually be too generous

[Scott D]

I told you not to send dolemite an email longer than 3 sentences and to use small words.

[yermom]

and looking back at it, the girl is the one that thought it wasn't appropriate, coming from that direction is a bit more valid, i guess

but i think she might be a tad too sensitive, it's not like we are talking about Lady Chatterly's Lover here

[yermom]

I told you not to send dolemite an email longer than 3 sentences and to use small words.

you forgot about the pictures

he needs lots of pictures :D

[Scott D]

what? am I the only person who read lady chatterly's lover in high school? I read fanny hill then too.

[yermom]

i haven't read it, but i remember it being on Skinemax :D

[sooner n houston]

"what you put in your mind and heart is what comes out."

[crawfish]

but i think she might be a tad too sensitive, it's not like we are talking about Lady Chatterly's Lover here

Go on... :texan:

[1stTimeCaller]

You know, I really object to the idea that knowing how to curse is a sign of maturity. I have just the opposite opinion. Some people get along just fine without a potty mouth, and they sound more intelligent and refined because they do. I try not to curse but it slips out occasionally; spend a little time in the service and it tends to seep in. You all parent your children the way you see fit, but don't come down on those of us who want to change the culture for the better by bringing up kids who can express themselves without resort to filth. Mmmmmmmkay?

:mad:

But wouldn't it be nice if the 15 yo in this case was mature enough to understand how the words are being used in the story?

[PhilTLL]

He looked through the book and found the following things wrong with the book: discussion of being drunk, smoking cigarettes, violence, "dirty talk," references to the Bible and using God's name in vain. He said the book's material goes against their religions beliefs. The Verms go to Grand Parkway Church in Porter.
"We went them to go after God," said Glen Jalowy Jr., Grand Parkway Church youth minister. We encourage them that what you put in your mind and heart is what comes out."

"Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'..."

[crawfish]

My kids - 14, 11 and 9 - have all heard all the words, and hear them everyday at school. There's nothing I can do about that. What I tell them - rather than watching every single word that they read or hear on TV, is that "our famiily values are to NOT use certain words". They know they're off-limits and they'll get in trouble if they use 'em. They also understand that other families might have different values, and use those words - we don't judge them for it, but we do not participate.

However, that policy DID get me in trouble at the end of the OU-Oregon game. Let's just say, dad had to have a consequence. :eek:

[stoops the eternal pimp]

what? am I the only person who read lady chatterly's lover in high school? I read fanny hill then too.

How about that crazy Laura Ingalls Wilder....Her life was a virtual girls gone wild video

[yermom]

My kids - 14, 11 and 9 - have all heard all the words, and hear them everyday at school. There's nothing I can do about that. What I tell them - rather than watching every single word that they read or hear on TV, is that "our famiily values are to NOT use certain words". They know they're off-limits and they'll get in trouble if they use 'em. They also understand that other families might have different values, and use those words - we don't judge them for it, but we do not participate.

However, that policy DID get me in trouble at the end of the OU-Oregon game. Let's just say, dad had to have a consequence. :eek:

if that wasn't a good excuse for a string of expletives, i'm not sure what is

[sanantoniosooner]

I don't even use those words when I'm upset. Just a personal choice.

I even feal a little awkward typing **** off, dip**** even though I'm just using the *.:O

[crawfish]

I don't even use those words when I'm upset. Just a personal choice.

I even feal a little awkward typing **** off, dip**** even though I'm just using the *.:O

For the record, I said "that's a bunch of B.S." Got caught on the abbreviation technicality, and I just couldn't argue. :O

[yermom]

weaksauce :D

[crawfish]

weaksauce :D

I'd say "wait'll you have kids of your own", but I suspect dolemite is infertile. ;)

[sanantoniosooner]

B.S. is watered down. The court will allow it.

[yermom]

I'd say "wait'll you have kids of your own", but I suspect dolemite is infertile. ;)

yeah, we'll see

i don't feel that any words are inherently bad, but some are certainly not appropriate in all places

[GrapevineSooner]

I refrained from using expletives at the end.

Partly because the last time a major sporting event involving a team I like ended on a controversial call, I was put in the Chateau de Bowwow by my wife.

[royalfan5]

I haven't used any explitives today. That's pretty rare for me.