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Okla-homey
9/18/2006, 06:02 AM
Sept 18, 1846 : The struggling Donner Party sends ahead to California for food

160 years ago, weeks behind schedule and the massive Sierra Nevada mountains still to be crossed, on this day in 1846, the members of the ill-fated Donner party realize they are running short of supplies and send two men ahead to California to bring back food.

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The group of 89 emigrants had begun their western trek earlier that summer in Springfield, Illinois, under the leadership of the brothers Jacob and George Donner. Unfortunately, the Donner brothers had recently read The Emigrant's Guide to Oregon and California, the imaginative creation of an irresponsible author-adventurer named Lansford Hastings, who wanted to encourage more overland emigrants to travel to the Sacramento Valley of California.

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The Donners innocently accepted Hastings' claim that a shorter route he had blazed to California would cut weeks off the usual trip and agreed to place the fate of the wagon train in his hands once they reached Fort Bridger, Wyoming. From that point forward, the men, women, and children of the Donner Party were doomed.

Though the so-called Hastings Cutoff was indeed shorter than the usual route, Hastings' glowing descriptions of his trail irresponsibly downplayed its many difficulties, as the Donner party soon discovered.

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The Hasting's Cut-off trailed south of Salt Lake.

After following a boulder-strewn and nearly impassable route over the Wasatch Range in Utah, the party embarked on an arduous six-day trek across the desert-a journey that Hastings had promised would take only two days. Lightening their loads by abandoning chairs, family heirlooms, wagons, and livestock to be swallowed up by the blazing sands, the emigrants struggled onward towards the Sierra Nevada.

A month after the two men had left for California, one returned with the desperately needed provisions as well as two Indian guides to help lead the party on the final stage of the trip through the Sierras. But by then it was already late October.

Hastings' "shortcut" had cost the Donner group so much time that they now risked being trapped in the high mountains if an early snowstorm chanced to fall. Unfortunately for the luckless emigrants, just such a snowstorm arrived on the night of October 28. The next day the Donner party was snowbound in the Sierras near modern-day Truckee CA. Then it really got ugly.

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James F. Reed and his wife, Margret W. Keyes Reed, seen in this photo taken in the 1850s, were survivors of the tragic Donner Party. The Reed family was one of only two families who survived the ordeal intact.

Of the 83 members of the Donner Party who were trapped in the mountains, only 45 survived to reach California. The survivors managed to live by eating the remains of members who perished in the freezing cold of the Sierra winter.

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Archeological evidence of Donner Party cannibalism. Human bone dug at the site bearing "chop" marks.

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A memorial to the Donner Party at California's Donner Memorial State Park near Truckee

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olevetonahill
9/18/2006, 06:28 AM
greatness again Col.
but if im ever stuck in that type situation im gonna eat what i have to to survive . the survivors if the donnor party have my spek ;)

12
9/18/2006, 09:18 AM
I was up there this summer. Beautiful country. Free sunglasses!

Interesting read, Col.

Harry Beanbag
9/18/2006, 06:48 PM
They never knew how close they were to the All-Weather I-80. ;)

soonerjoker
9/19/2006, 10:18 AM
yep, i been thru there, it was easy. it was really snowing tho, but
it quit when we got back down to about 6000 feet.

Viking Kitten
9/19/2006, 11:00 AM
I remember reading once that "Lethal Weapon" director Richard Donner was a descendant of the Donners, although I can't confirm that with a quick check of the innerweb. Anyone else ever heard this?

It was also in the news earlier this year that forensic evidence was showing the cannibalism stories had been greatly exaggerated, although it did occur.

The
9/19/2006, 11:10 AM
So a fair question....
Is there a quantifiable amount of human you need to eat to be considered a cannibal?
If you do it just once, in college for example, are you forever a cannibal, or do you get so many get-out-of-jail-free cards?

Viking Kitten
9/19/2006, 11:16 AM
I need to know exactly how many dudes you've eaten before I can give you the answer.

yermom
9/19/2006, 11:36 AM
I need to know exactly how many dudes you've eaten before I can give you the answer.

if you've gone to the moon, you are an astronaut

NTTAWWT

OUDoc
9/19/2006, 11:37 AM
I need to know exactly how many dudes you've eaten before I can give you the answer.
You first. [/ducking]

;)

Viking Kitten
9/19/2006, 11:45 AM
You first. [/ducking]

;)

Look man. It was snowing. Don't judge me.

King Crimson
9/19/2006, 01:52 PM
http://blog.macup.com/images/db/1075566133.jpg

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homerSimpsonsBrain
9/19/2006, 02:17 PM
They were discussing the "Greenwood cutoff" over in the penis transplant thread...

mdklatt
9/19/2006, 02:19 PM
I need to know exactly how many dudes you've eaten


37?!

yermom
9/19/2006, 03:07 PM
everyone's ridden your horse, Packer

soonerscuba
9/19/2006, 03:19 PM
We are Innndiansss, we have tee-pee. It is weird that more people have not seen that movie given the creators.