That mouth of his...

[jk the sooner fan]

Ray Nagin takes a swipe at ground zero...


During the "60 minutes" interview, a correspondent pointed out flood-damaged cars still on the streets of New Orleans' devastated Ninth Ward. Nagin replied, "You guys in New York can't get a hole in the ground fixed, and it's five years later. So let's be fair,"

[Sooner_Bob]

http://www.thebrownandorange.com/files/images/browns-fan-ashamed-sign.jpg

[GDC]

I was there not long ago and it is still a hole in the ground.

[SoonerBorn68]

http://www.neworleans-footballtickets.com/Saints%20fans%201.bmp

[Sooner in Tampa]

The most amazing thing is that the morans for NO actually re-elected this tool.

[Okla-homey]

The most amazing thing is that the morans for NO actually re-elected this tool.

It was a classic case of the "lesser of two evils" problem. The other guy was a bigger tool. Kinda like Nixon vs. McGovern in 1973.

Look, there is a pretty well-founded saying that "any publicity is good publicity." If the statement brings in cash, he's doing his job -- although I wouldn't have said it.:eek:

[picasso]

I was there not long ago and it is still a hole in the ground.
that's what I've always heard about New Orleans.

[LSUMeathead]

I am floored by this comment. While technically factual, it is highly insensitive. How can you demand that people have empathy for the situation in New Orleans by taking a swipe at their own tragedy. Nagin is just making excuses & pointing fingers to try & take the focus off of his own lack of leadership.

Besides, the two cannot even be compared. 9/11 killed more people, but it only affected one city block and one wing of the Pentagon. Katrina essentially wiped an entire city off the map. The recovery efforts cannot be compared to each other when you look at them side by side.

The biggest difference is that people care about 9/11. People were affected by 9/11 regardless of where they live. Many of those same people look at New Orleans, and even though the devastation was on a much greater scale, they usually comment with "Man, that sucks for them, but that's what they get for living below sea level." Because of that, you cannot win a battle when you try to compare the two incidents...so it is better to leave them to stand on their own.

And Okla-homey is spot on correct. The last mayor's election was a SNAFU of monumental proportions & by the time it got to the runoff, it was time to pick the lesser of two evils.

[picasso]

I am floored by this comment. While technically factual, it is highly insensitive. How can you demand that people have empathy for the situation in New Orleans by taking a swipe at their own tragedy. Nagin is just making excuses & pointing fingers to try & take the focus off of his own lack of leadership.

Besides, the two cannot even be compared. 9/11 killed more people, but it only affected one city block and one wing of the Pentagon. Katrina essentially wiped an entire city off the map. The recovery efforts cannot be compared to each other when you look at them side by side.

The biggest difference is that people care about 9/11. People were affected by 9/11 regardless of where they live. Many of those same people look at New Orleans, and even though the devastation was on a much greater scale, they usually comment with "Man, that sucks for them, but that's what they get for living below sea level." Because of that, you cannot win a battle when you try to compare the two incidents...so it is better to leave them to stand on their own.

And Okla-homey is spot on correct. The last mayor's election was a SNAFU of monumental proportions & by the time it got to the runoff, it was time to pick the lesser of two evils.

dude, 9/11 nearly wiped out our national economy and did in Tulsa for a while.

[LSUMeathead]

dude, 9/11 nearly wiped out our national economy and did in Tulsa for a while.

Dude...I am talking about the physical act of cleaning up, which was the point of the interview & comments made by Nagin.

Again, I found the comments to be insensitive...especially when you are tryiing to get people to support your situation.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

And Okla-homey is spot on correct. The last mayor's election was a SNAFU of monumental proportions & by the time it got to the runoff, it was time to pick the lesser of two evils.

What do you expect out of NOLAs? After jacking up Houston's crime rate, living off the "gubment" for almost a year now, and not going back enmass and cleaning up and rebuilding, like MS and AL, do you expect that they would vote any other way than the tired old same way?

Count me as tired of hearing and reading of the hand wringing about Katrina (re: NOLAs) and of hearing about the lack of help from anyone connected from gubment in LA, I don't hear MS or AL crying... or TX (from Rita).

[Sooner in Tampa]

Dude...I am talking about the physical act of cleaning up, which was the point of the interview & comments made by Nagin.

Again, I found the comments to be insensitive...especially when you are tryiing to get people to support your situation.Not to mention the fact that comparing a natural disaster to an act of terrorism is apples to oranges.

[Sooner in Tampa]

What do you expect out of NOLAs? After jacking up Houston's crime rate, living off the "gubment" for almost a year now, and not going back enmass and cleaning up and rebuilding, like MS and AL, do you expect that they would vote any other way than the tired old same way?There was a dude on Fox News yesterday that was talking about the Bill Cosby comments i.e. teenage pregnancy...and he pretty slammed all of the people who stayed in NOLA for Katrina...said they have always lived off of the government and they were just going to continue to do it. He also called Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson "welfare pimps"

[LSUMeathead]

There was a dude on Fox News yesterday that was talking about the Bill Cosby comments i.e. teenage pregnancy...and he pretty slammed all of the people who stayed in NOLA for Katrina...said they have always lived off of the government and they were just going to continue to do it. He also called Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson "welfare pimps"

One of the Republican candidates for mayor of New Orleans ran on the slogan of "Keep the welfare pimps out." When asked what she meant, she basically said that the city does not need a bunch of lazy people with thier hands out to come back. the city needs people willing to come home & bust their asses to rebuild.

Unfortunately, the only people who lived in Orleans Parish who could vote in the election were.......welfare pimps!

[LSUMeathead]

What do you expect out of NOLAs? After jacking up Houston's crime rate, living off the "gubment" for almost a year now, and not going back enmass and cleaning up and rebuilding, like MS and AL, do you expect that they would vote any other way than the tired old same way?

Count me as tired of hearing and reading of the hand wringing about Katrina (re: NOLAs) and of hearing about the lack of help from anyone connected from gubment in LA, I don't hear MS or AL crying... or TX (from Rita).

The people you are referring to don't necessarily care whose teet they are sucking off of, so long as the free milk & government cheese is flowing. Why would they want to leave Houston, Atlanta, or any other city when they are living high on the hog there (and probably better than they were in the Big Easy)?

As for comparing Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, you only have to look as far as the Governor's mansion. Proper leadership can bring you back from any tragedy. Inept leadership can make the situation even worse. In fact, the Louisiana state treasurer has come out & said that Gov. Blanco has been withholding funds for as long as possible so that she can be seen as a great & generous person closer to her re-election. After the hurricane, her approval rating was in the 20s. Now it is in the 40s. What do you think it will do when she suddenly says "I have finally gotten you all the Millions you deserve!" only three months prior to the election??

[Miko]

It was a classic case of the "lesser of two evils" problem. The other guy was a bigger tool.

He ran against Marion Barry?????????:confused:

[tbl]

In fact, the Louisiana state treasurer has come out & said that Gov. Blanco has been withholding funds for as long as possible so that she can be seen as a great & generous person closer to her re-election. After the hurricane, her approval rating was in the 20s. Now it is in the 40s. What do you think it will do when she suddenly says "I have finally gotten you all the Millions you deserve!" only three months prior to the election??
That's the epitome of what is wrong with politics... Even though this is out now, come election time the people will choose to forget it, and only see the green coming in. :mad:

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The people you are referring to don't necessarily care whose teet they are sucking off of, so long as the free milk & government cheese is flowing. Why would they want to leave Houston, Atlanta, or any other city when they are living high on the hog there (and probably better than they were in the Big Easy)?

As for comparing Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, you only have to look as far as the Governor's mansion. Proper leadership can bring you back from any tragedy. Inept leadership can make the situation even worse. In fact, the Louisiana state treasurer has come out & said that Gov. Blanco has been withholding funds for as long as possible so that she can be seen as a great & generous person closer to her re-election. After the hurricane, her approval rating was in the 20s. Now it is in the 40s. What do you think it will do when she suddenly says "I have finally gotten you all the Millions you deserve!" only three months prior to the election??

Okay, I travel for a living and have spent weeks in a hotel. I cannot think of anything more depressing and boring... I can't imagine that the NOLAs want to stay in a hotel, but they are probably high on the hog, clean bed and linens everyday (or week) and free cable and money to go spend...WHo'd want to leave paradise. I would, but then they don't have gumption to go and make something better for themselves, they just go back and shoot the place up.

I hadn't heard Blanco was hoarding funds. What a creep. I had little respect for LA politicos before, I have lost all respect since Katrina!! Ole Haley Barbour (MS) has made Blanco look like a lobotomized idiot (with apologies to lobotomized idiots).

[Miko]

(with apologies to lobotomized idiots).


We don't get it.

-Lobotomized Idiots on a 3-day drunk

[JohnnyMack]

IBTT.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

It was a classic case of the "lesser of two evils" problem. The other guy was a bigger tool. Kinda like Nixon vs. McGovern in 1973.

That's basically true as far as the runoff goes. I think there was a choice in the primary but the sheeple chose to vote for politics as usual.

As far as Willie Nagin goes, if it weren't for him getting in the paper for stupid statements like this, the people here wouldn't even know he exists. He's hardly been seen around here since the election. If the media would quit covering him, he would have the same relevance nationally that he has here.

[Miko]

He's hardly been seen around here since the election.

He's prolly still here in H-town so he can be closer to his constituants.

[LSUMeathead]

Okay, I travel for a living and have spent weeks in a hotel. I cannot think of anything more depressing and boring... I can't imagine that the NOLAs want to stay in a hotel, but they are probably high on the hog, clean bed and linens everyday (or week) and free cable and money to go spend...WHo'd want to leave paradise. I would, but then they don't have gumption to go and make something better for themselves, they just go back and shoot the place up.

The biggest difference between you & the "welfare pimps"?

Ambition

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Okay, I travel for a living and have spent weeks in a hotel. I cannot think of anything more depressing and boring... I can't imagine that the NOLAs want to stay in a hotel, but they are probably high on the hog, clean bed and linens everyday (or week) and free cable and money to go spend...WHo'd want to leave paradise. I would, but then they don't have gumption to go and make something better for themselves, they just go back and shoot the place up.

I hadn't heard Blanco was hoarding funds. What a creep. I had little respect for LA politicos before, I have lost all respect since Katrina!! Ole Haley Barbour (MS) has made Blanco look like a lobotomized idiot (with apologies to lobotomized idiots).

The people you're referring to lived off the government before the storm, not just since the storm. They have no ambition to do anything besides subsist. What you are seeing is the result of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society being thrown in your face. Most people choose to ignore it, but it's there in every major city in America.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The people you're referring to lived off the government before the storm, not just since the storm. They have no ambition to do anything besides subsist. What you are seeing is the result of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society being thrown in your face. Most people choose to ignore it, but it's there in every major city in America.

Oh, I realize that. Now they are in my H-town jacking up the crime rates...

When they were in NOLA, we didn't hear much about it, and there was much being done to change that fact by the local and national LA leaders.

[Scott D]

The people you're referring to lived off the government before the storm, not just since the storm. They have no ambition to do anything besides subsist. What you are seeing is the result of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society being thrown in your face. Most people choose to ignore it, but it's there in every major city in America.

actually you could probably go back to the post Civil War 'Carpetbagging' time period to see the beginning of the trend in New Orleans, and why it is far worse there than anywhere else in the country.

[NormanPride]

Welfare sucks.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Oh, I realize that. Now they are in my H-town jacking up the crime rates...


I know what you mean. When I was evacuating that Sunday before the storm, I remember seeing this truck parked along the side of the road with about 10 people in the back and this kid running out in the middle of the interstate to retrieve his shoe that he dropped out of the back of the truck. And traffic was going about 50 mph. I just thought to myself 'The good people of Dallas and Houston have no idea what's coming their way.'

[GDC]

Everytime I read the title of this thread the next thought that pops into my head is "...is sure purdy!"

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

My question is "if we have Welfare, why is there ever road construction falling behind or trash on the road." If the government is going to pay them, why not put them to work?

[Scott D]

My question is "if we have Welfare, why is there ever road construction falling behind or trash on the road." If the government is going to pay them, why not put them to work?

because it's the same government that pays farmers to NOT grow crops.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

because it's the same government that pays farmers to NOT grow crops.

That makes about as much sense as Bri getting Lisa Loeb tickets and then not going!!!

[Scott D]

That makes about as much sense as Bri getting Lisa Loeb tickets and then not going!!!

he can't help it that he couldn't find his interweb viagra that night.

[OklahomaTuba]

actually you could probably go back to the post Civil War 'Carpetbagging' time period to see the beginning of the trend in New Orleans, and why it is far worse there than anywhere else in the country.

I think the "war on poverty" and the appeal of the hiphop culture is more a reason then the carpetbagging of the civilwar 150 years ago.

Those two things are poison. Just my opinion though.

[Scott D]

I think that the fact that the "war on poverty" and the appeal of the hiphop culture is more a reason then the carpetbagging of the civilwar 150 years ago.

I doubt it since it's been a problem in that area of the country for far longer than the hiphop culture has existed.

[OklahomaTuba]

I doubt it since it's been a problem in that area of the country for far longer than the hiphop culture has existed.
True, hip hop isn't that old, rather it seems to contribute today I think. Could be wrong though.

I think poverty is a problem no matter who or where it is. It just seems the problem got noticeably worse during that time after, and it keeps the cycle of poverty going into today.

The stat of 70% of black kids growing up in single family homes is just amazing. The family seems to have just collapsed. That cannot be ignored.

[Scott D]

I think poverty is a problem no matter who or where it is. It just seems the problem got noticeably worse during that time after, and it keeps the cycle of poverty going into today.

The stat of 70% of black kids growing up in single family homes is just amazing. The family seems to have just collapsed. That cannot be ignored.

welcome to the last 30+ years.

[NormanPride]

because it's the same government that pays farmers to NOT grow crops.

That actually has an economic reason. Really.

[Scott D]

That actually has an economic reason. Really.

yeah, except to the farmers who lose long time family land to foreclosure because of it :(

[NormanPride]

yeah, except to the farmers who lose long time family land to foreclosure because of it :(

How are they losing land? They're getting paid for not growing, right? My econ prof had a friend that moved to Nebraska to not grow corn, and got rich off of it.

[Scott D]

How are they losing land? They're getting paid for not growing, right? My econ prof had a friend that moved to Nebraska to not grow corn, and got rich off of it.

it's more about the imbalance with those whom aren't being paid to not grow stuff falling behind being the ones who get foreclosed on.

[NormanPride]

it's more about the imbalance with those whom aren't being paid to not grow stuff falling behind being the ones who get foreclosed on.

Ahh... I can see where a few well-placed donations to the FDA or whatever could make sure you never have to grow corn. :( I hate politics.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

My question is "if we have Welfare, why is there ever road construction falling behind or trash on the road." If the government is going to pay them, why not put them to work?

It would make you sick to be down here and see people sitting on their *** and doing nothing when anybody that can swing a hammer could have a job. Not to mention McDonald's and Burger King are giving $300 a month bonuses just to work there.

[TUSooner]

I don'tlt even want to read this thread, but here's my letter to the editor of the Times-Picayune.

A (lousy) poem to Ray Nagin on the occasion of his swipe at Ground Zero, NYC:

Mayor Nagin, we don't need sass,
to make our rebirth come to pass.
What we need is brass
with CLASS.
So please stop braying like an ***.

[Scott D]

I don'tlt even want to read this thread, but here's my letter to the editor of the Times-Picayune.

A (lousy) poem to Ray Nagin on the occasion of his swipe at Ground Zero, NYC:

Mayor Nagin, we don't need sass,
to make our rebirth come to pass.
What we need is brass
with CLASS.
So please stop braying like an ***.

[Ray Nagin]TUSooner, stop sassin' me![/Ray Nagin]

[LSUMeathead]

I don'tlt even want to read this thread, but here's my letter to the editor of the Times-Picayune.

A (lousy) poem to Ray Nagin on the occasion of his swipe at Ground Zero, NYC:

Mayor Nagin, we don't need sass,
to make our rebirth come to pass.
What we need is brass
with CLASS.
So please stop braying like an ***.

Nice

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

How do you make chocolate...you put some vanilla in it...see!!

[Scott D]

It would make you sick to be down here and see people sitting on their *** and doing nothing when anybody that can swing a hammer could have a job. Not to mention McDonald's and Burger King are giving $300 a month bonuses just to work there.

man....it's hard out hea fo' a pimp. :mad:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Another question is...how does a federal judge say "ummm no you can't strike because it will hurt the airlines finiancially" Isn't that the damm reason to go onto strike? Are they going to go into the striker's houses and arrest them if they go on strike? What in blue blazes is going on in this crazy *** world?

[LSUMeathead]

Another question is...how does a federal judge say "ummm no you can't strike because it will hurt the airlines finiancially" Isn't that the damm reason to go onto strike? Are they going to go into the striker's houses and arrest them if they go on strike? What in blue blazes is going on in this crazy *** world?

Unions are worse than welfare pimps.

[royalfan5]

because it's the same government that pays farmers to grow TOO much crops.
That's what the current farm bill is doing. There haven't been any PIK's since the mid 1980's. LDP's and target payments encourage overproduction. The only land that has been taken out of production is highly marginal land for the most part. Also, there aren't a whole hell of a lot of foreclosures right now, it's more that the land prices are too inflated for the small farmer to expand or get started. That is a direct result of the subsidies that are supposed to help the small farmer because they are linked to production, ergo the big producers have more cash to spend, and the long time family farms have a ton more equity that they can parlay into more land. The gov't would do less of this **** if it wasn't for the senators from the South being overprotectionist with the white commodities which hurt our trade agreements and the EU doesn't help with their idioic CAP.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Unions are worse than welfare pimps.

Agreed...but still how can they say "not so fast my friend...no striking for you"

[picasso]

Dude...I am talking about the physical act of cleaning up, which was the point of the interview & comments made by Nagin.

Again, I found the comments to be insensitive...especially when you are tryiing to get people to support your situation.
I got your point.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

My question is "if we have Welfare, why is there ever road construction falling behind or trash on the road." If the government is going to pay them, why not put them to work?

Bingo! Close the borders to illegals and put the welfare pimps to work doing jobs "'Mericans don't want to do". I bet people get off their arse quick and learn a trade or something to get off welfare.

[TUSooner]

Bourbon St Sooner & LSU Meathead are hitting the nails on the head. I got nuthing significant to add to their fine posts.
It does bother me a bit that I'm agreeing so much with an LSU fan; if I start wearing purple, please shoot me! :D

[Miko]

I don'tlt even want to read this thread, but here's my letter to the editor of the Times-Picayune.

A (lousy) poem to Ray Nagin on the occasion of his swipe at Ground Zero, NYC:

Mayor Nagin, we don't need sass,
to make our rebirth come to pass.
What we need is brass
with CLASS.
So please stop braying like an ***.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TUSooner again.

[LSUMeathead]

Bourbon St Sooner & LSU Meathead are hitting the nails on the head. I got nuthing significant to add to their fine posts.
It does bother me a bit that I'm agreeing so much with an LSU fan; if I start wearing purple, please shoot me! :D
There is hope for you yet my friendly Willow Street warrior!! :cool:

Come to the dark side! Join me & together we can rebuild the Big Easy!

http://guerradasestrelas.no.sapo.pt/Star%20Wars%20New%20Hope%20(Darth%20Vader).jpg

[TUSooner]

There is hope for you yet my friendly Willow Street warrior!! :cool:

Come to the dark side! Join me & together we can rebuild the Big Easy!

http://guerradasestrelas.no.sapo.pt/Star%20Wars%20New%20Hope%20(Darth%20Vader).jpg

Y'know, I'm an inccorigible and irrational LSU despiser, but 99.99% of all my friends are great LSU fans. Go figure! :D

Maybe I should go to Death Valley when they play somebody I really hate, like maybe Miamuh.

[LSUMeathead]

Y'know, I'm an inccorigible and irrational LSU despiser, but 99.99% of all my friends are great LSU fans. Go figure! :D

Maybe I should go to Death Valley when they play somebody I really hate, like maybe Miamuh.

You going to be there September 23rd for the first in your string of 10 straight butt whoopins? :les:

[SoonerBorn68]

How are they losing land? They're getting paid for not growing, right? My econ prof had a friend that moved to Nebraska to not grow corn, and got rich off of it.




I get up at the crack of noon, walk outside, and make sure there's no corn growin'.

:D

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

And now global warming is causing more glaciers!!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/5283278.stm