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Mjcpr
8/16/2006, 03:25 PM
Hmmmm.....


From CNN....

-- A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand, Denver TV station KUSA reports. CNN working to confirm.

yermom
8/16/2006, 03:27 PM
i wonder if they roughed him up

proud gonzo
8/16/2006, 03:29 PM
...they're still working on that case?

Fugue
8/16/2006, 03:30 PM
i wonder if they roughed him up

probably repeatedly

King Crimson
8/16/2006, 03:33 PM
i know someone who is pretty close to the Ramsey case and they've had a pretty good idea about a person for a couple years.....and an accomplice who "committed suicide" under some very questionable circumstances. I wonder if it's the same guy. an independent investigation has had DNA evidence from Jon Benet's panties for a couple years now--DNA evidence that ruled out John Ramsey, FWIW.

this person is not apart of the Boulder PD, which is a joke.

GottaHavePride
8/16/2006, 03:33 PM
Her parents were in Thailand?

Jimminy Crimson
8/16/2006, 03:33 PM
You mean people think someone besides the parents and brother killed her? :confused:

Mjcpr
8/16/2006, 03:34 PM
Her parents were in Thailand?

Parent. The mom died pretty recently.

GottaHavePride
8/16/2006, 03:35 PM
Ah.

BeetDigger
8/16/2006, 03:35 PM
If they solve this case and it isn't the parents, the Ramsey's deserve one of the biggest apologies ever from the media, John Q Public and the Boulder Police.

mdklatt
8/16/2006, 03:37 PM
You mean people think someone besides the parents and brother killed her? :confused:

OJ Simpson and Scott Peterson do.

colleyvillesooner
8/16/2006, 03:37 PM
If they solve this case and it isn't the parents, the Ramsey's deserve one of the biggest apologies ever from the media, John Q Public and the Boulder Police.

John is very reluctant to do that. He'll probably just say "huh" and move on.

Jimminy Crimson
8/16/2006, 03:40 PM
OJ Simpson and Scott Peterson do.

Besides those two and Andrea Yates. :D

BeetDigger
8/16/2006, 03:55 PM
John is very reluctant to do that. He'll probably just say "huh" and move on.


I don't disagree. I can't imagine losing a child much less being tried and hung by the media and public when it (possibly) was somebody else.

colleyvillesooner
8/16/2006, 03:58 PM
I don't disagree. I can't imagine losing a child much less being tried and hung by the media and public when it (possibly) was somebody else.

It's unthinkable how it affected them. (if it was someone else)

CShine
8/16/2006, 04:00 PM
That harpy Nancy Grace will milk months worth of shows out of this.

mdklatt
8/16/2006, 04:04 PM
That harpy Nancy Grace will milk months worth of shows out of this.

Isn't she still talking about Aruba Girl?

And how bad does Headline News suck? It's awful enough that they show Nancy Grace and Glenn Beck instead of actual news, but then they repeat them back to back.

Didn't get enough Nancy Grace? See the same **** again an hour from now!

Worthless.

Eurocat
8/16/2006, 04:17 PM
The news ticker on CNN said "Thailand, Colorado" for a minute until someone corrected it to "Bangkok, Thailand".

:rolleyes:

TheHumanAlphabet
8/16/2006, 04:27 PM
CNN is worthless!

Widescreen
8/16/2006, 04:55 PM
Chuck Bao!!!!!!11!1!1!!!! :mad:

BeetDigger
8/16/2006, 04:58 PM
It's unthinkable how it affected them. (if it was someone else)

Here is John Ramsey's response:


In a statement Wednesday, John Ramsey said: "Patsy was aware that authorities were close to making an arrest in the case and had she lived to see this day, would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."

The Denver Post is reporting that the suspect has confessed to certain elements in the crime.

LoyalFan
8/16/2006, 05:13 PM
If they solve this case and it isn't the parents, the Ramsey's deserve one of the biggest apologies ever from the media, John Q Public and the Boulder Police.

...And the sorry SOB perp deserves public castration, before a cheering mob, followed by a slow death, one ounce of flesh at a time. There must be no limit to vengeful savagery when dealing with someone that commits such a crime.
It matters not whether the victim be the privileged daughter of wealthy parents, the issue of a penurious single mom, or an unwashed and unloved street urchin. If witnessing, or even being aware of, such a draconian penalty being imposed prevents just one would-be predator from committing so heinous an offense, then I say "Strip him, expose him in the village square, and cut off the offending parts."!
I'll even bring wine and snacks...Nuts,anyone?

In a calm and deliberate rage,

LoyalFan

critical_phil
8/16/2006, 05:32 PM
That harpy Nancy Grace will milk months worth of shows out of this.


link?

LoyalFan
8/16/2006, 06:02 PM
link?

http://news.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/08/16/nbc-arrest-in-jonbenet-case/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F1437956 6%2F&frame=true

No charge.

LF

C&CDean
8/16/2006, 08:15 PM
I can officially, for the record, state that I couldn't give a single **** about this case.

If Mr. Jon Benet knew something about this dude in Thailand for years, he should have already executed the **********. Meh.

proud gonzo
8/16/2006, 08:25 PM
i never really had much interest in the case other than i felt sorry for the poor little girl being drug to all those stinkin pageants.

Okla-homey
8/16/2006, 09:17 PM
Greta Van Plastic Surgery just interviewed the suspect's brother on Faux. Apparently the alleged perp was a second-grade public school teacher in Alabama before he started stalking little girls. It would seem he bailed for Thailand (aka pedophile fantasyland) when the laws got too close on his tail.

olevetonahill
8/17/2006, 01:50 AM
I can officially, for the record, state that I couldn't give a single **** about this case.

If Mr. Jon Benet knew something about this dude in Thailand for years, he should have already executed the **********. Meh.
Im a cold blooded sombitch . But Dean aint No way you dont care about this :eek:
No way in hell your that cold

Chuck Bao
8/17/2006, 02:50 AM
Chuck Bao!!!!!!11!1!1!!!! :mad:

Hey, Hey, HEY...

Why you go hating on me??? :confused:

And, why did he have to come to Thailand?

I think I'll write Thailand a new marketing slogan:

If you're fleeing the scene, Thailand is the first place to look

This case is still weird and could get weirder. His ex wife seems to be giving him a alibi (look at the bolded part).

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=4468925



Ramsey Suspect's Bay Area TiesEx-Wife Talks To ABC7
By Carolyn Tyler
Aug. 16 - KGO - A former schoolteacher who worked in the Petaluma School District is now in custody in Thailand in connection with the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

The suspect, John Mark Karr, lived for a time in the North Bay with his wife and three kids.

41-year-old John Karr and his then-wife, Laura, once lived in Petaluma. She told us they were married back in 1989 and lived in Alabama until the year 2000 when they moved to Petaluma.

Karr taught in the Petaluma School District as a substitute schoolteacher from December of 2000 until April of 2001. The district says they had no complaints about him. Karr also spent time as a teacher in Napa during the same period, working to become a full-fledged credentialed teacher.

In April of 2001, Karr was arrested at a school in Napa on five counts of possessing child pornography. He did serve some time in jail, but was released on his own recognizance in October and later failed to show up in court. He is wanted in Sonoma County and a warrant is still out for his arrest for failure to appear on those charges.

His teaching credential in Petaluma was suspended, then revoked for violating the education code.

Laura Karr filed for divorce after her husband was charged in 2001. When he was allowed out of jail, it was with a lot of limitations and restrictions, including supervised visits with his own children and he was not allowed to be around other children. He was ordered to stay off the computer. Investigators say he was using the computer for child pornography.

His ex-wife also says her husband did a lot of research on the JonBenet Ramsey case and also on Petaluma's own Polly Klaas.

Laura Karr also tells us she's devastated and embarrassed by these murder charges, but she does not believe that her husband did it. She says that during Christmas season of 1996 when JonBenet Ramsey was strangled and beaten to death in Colorado, they were living in Alabama at the time and she was with him the entire Christmas season.

We spoke with a former neighbor of his, Sylvia Ross, who described him as "friendly, but divisive." She says that everyone in the neighborhood knew about the child pornography charges, but were afraid to talk openly about them.

ouflak
8/17/2006, 05:48 AM
BANGKOK, Thailand - A former American school teacher said publicly Thursday he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she was killed and called the 6-year-old's death "an accident," a stunning admission that should help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case.
ADVERTISEMENT

John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of
Homeland Security told a news conference in Bangkok.

"I was with JonBenet when she died," John Mark Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."

Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."

Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok apartment by Thai and American authorities, said Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police.

Well this is a development. I admit, I bought into the press' implications that the parents had done it. Now, I'm not sure what to think...

RacerX
8/17/2006, 06:46 AM
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/newt1.karr.afp.gi.jpg

RacerX
8/17/2006, 06:47 AM
yeah, he's a wacko.

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 06:59 AM
The parents were crucified for this.

I can't imagine it.

jk the sooner fan
8/17/2006, 07:00 AM
i havent read what he was doing in colorado at the time of the crime.......one article says that Mr Ramsey gave his name to the police some time ago, but it didnt say how they knew the suspect

they're all proclaiming justice has been served - how bout we see a conviction first

its a weird deal for sure....i was certain the parents had some role in it...hopefully this will vindicate them

Chuck Bao
8/17/2006, 07:42 AM
:mad Why would anyone hire that freak to work with children?

Surely, international schools can click on an FBI/Interpol website and get a list of those who have fled justice in their home countries.

According to the description in the Reuters article, that freak didn't live far from my apartment.

An immigration police officer was also quoted as saying: "People like him are dangerous. We have criminals from all over the world running away from their home countries to look for teaching jobs in Thailand."

Wonderful.

Okla-homey
8/17/2006, 07:50 AM
An immigration police officer was also quoted as saying: "People like him are dangerous. We have criminals from all over the world running away from their home countries to look for teaching jobs in Thailand."

Wonderful.

Seems to me Thailand ought to try and clean up its international reputation as a seckshual prevert resort destination if it really wants this sort of thing to cease.

Every GI who ever served in the Pacific region knows that whatever your thing is..."you can buy it in Bangkok.";)

Chuck Bao
8/17/2006, 08:40 AM
Seems to me Thailand ought to try and clean up its international reputation as a seckshual prevert resort destination if it really wants this sort of thing to cease.

Every GI who ever served in the Pacific region knows that whatever your thing is..."you can buy it in Bangkok.";)

What was that? A kick below the belt?

I mean it is low labor cost and that is all it is.

Do you like beating up on developing countries?

yermom
8/17/2006, 08:53 AM
are all the stories of "ladyboys", sex shows, and underage prostitution and such made up?

Bangkok seemily makes NOLA and Amsterdam seem kinda tame in that respect ;)

colleyvillesooner
8/17/2006, 08:56 AM
are all the stories of "ladyboys", sex shows, and underage prostitution and such made up?

Bangkok seemily makes NOLA and Amsterdam seem kinda tame in that respect ;)

Well, it does have a much seeder name.

Chuck Bao
8/17/2006, 09:17 AM
Well yeah. But, the same thing can be said for Japan and Korea in the 50s and Hong Kong and Singapore in the 60s. Give people an alternative with better education, better paying jobs and a higher living standard.

The Thai government can be accused of turning a blind eye, but prostitution is illegal in Thailand. I wish this weren't the case. In my opinion, prostitution should be legal, taxable and outside the hands of the mafia.

The US isn't a model for anyone to follow, as I see it.

I'm a bit sensy about this because I've gone on overseas marketing trips with my female colleagues and the harassment they face overseas is disgraceful and humiliating.

yermom
8/17/2006, 09:23 AM
like they are from Thailand?

TheHumanAlphabet
8/17/2006, 09:39 AM
This guy sounds like a nut case.

It sounds as if he is in it for the publicity, he research this story and the Polly Klaas story. He sounds fixated by death and children. In the end I bet we find out he had nothing to do with the JB Ramsey case. Even his ex-wife says he was in Alabama at the time of the killing.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
8/17/2006, 10:00 AM
did jbr visit the set of 3rd rock from the sun?

yermom
8/17/2006, 10:18 AM
are you saying you think he lured her in with some Clamato?

Okla-homey
8/17/2006, 10:36 AM
My theory of the perp is he knew Thai prison was in the cards and he copped to the Ramsey killing in order to ensure extradition to the US and the relatively more humane prisons we sport here.

He could save us all a lot of trouble if he committed suicide at the earliest opportunity.

ouflak
8/17/2006, 10:37 AM
like they are from Thailand?

So if people are from a certain country, they get to be treated in a disgraceful and humiliating fachion? Sexual harrassment is justified for women from Thailand? Wow. I wonder if this guy wanting to be a teacher over there felt the same way.

TheHumanAlphabet
8/17/2006, 10:42 AM
ouflak, you may not be aware (or you may be), but Thailand and Vietnam have become sex vacation destinations as well as a haven for pedophiles. I guess is some instances if you have the money, sex can be had, girls and women are not held is as high asteem as they are in Western cultures...Don't know at what point you become persona non grata, as in the Brit rocker dood, but it appears to be a destination...

ouflak
8/17/2006, 10:48 AM
ouflak, you may not be aware (or you may be), but Thailand and Vietnam have become sex vacation destinations as well as a haven for pedophiles. I guess is some instances if you have the money, sex can be had, girls and women are not held is as high asteem as they are in Western cultures...Don't know at what point you become persona non grata, as in the Brit rocker dood, but it appears to be a destination...

I'm actually quite aware of this as many brits go over there for sex vacations. But I still don't see how that justifies treating women from Thailand like they are part of that industry. The few Thai women I have met are happily married suburban moms (in both the U.S. and England). Why should I treat them any differently than this?

Fish
8/17/2006, 10:54 AM
I think the dude looks like Gary Numan...
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/newt1.karr.afp.gi.jpg

Gary Numan
http://www.getthatsound.com/General%20Assets/Images/gary-numan.jpg

Widescreen
8/17/2006, 11:11 AM
One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster.

Everyone knows that.

proud gonzo
8/17/2006, 11:16 AM
Im a cold blooded sombitch . But Dean aint No way you dont care about this :eek:
No way in hell your that cold

so if a person doesn't care about something that happened a long time ago to someone they don't know makes them cold? :confused:

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 11:27 AM
so if a person doesn't care about something that happened a long time ago to someone they don't know makes them cold? :confused:
In this case I'd say yes.

Knowing you were very young when this was on every TV and that you don't have kids of your own, I'd cut you some slack.

yermom
8/17/2006, 11:33 AM
So if people are from a certain country, they get to be treated in a disgraceful and humiliating fachion? Sexual harrassment is justified for women from Thailand? Wow. I wonder if this guy wanting to be a teacher over there felt the same way.

i was just trying to clarify what he was saying, i didn't quite follow.

if i remember right Chuck isn't from over there, and has family in OK

i was trying to put together if he meant that he traveled abroad with women from Thailand that constantly got harassed for being whores or something since they were from there

mdklatt
8/17/2006, 11:37 AM
In this case I'd say yes.

Knowing you were very young when this was on every TV and that you don't have kids of your own, I'd cut you some slack.

Sign me up for "don't care", too. Thousands of people die horrible deaths every day unnoticed, so why should JonBenet Ramsey, Aruba Girl, or any other little rich blonde girl get special attention?

yermom
8/17/2006, 11:38 AM
In this case I'd say yes.

Knowing you were very young when this was on every TV and that you don't have kids of your own, I'd cut you some slack.

for like a month or something maybe... the media has a way of making even the most tragic events a bit overexposed

and even if the parents weren't involved, they probably put her in that position in some way having her sexualized in public dancing around dressed like a little whore, so it's hard to feel that sorry for them

Sooner Born Sooner Bred
8/17/2006, 11:42 AM
How did he pick her up from school? It was Christmas Day.

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 11:42 AM
I don't agree with the parenting techniques, but if you can set that aside for a moment and imagine......

What it would be like to have your child taken and murdered, to be accused of it by every form of media, including Leno and others, to have your spouse die prior to being cleared and to finally, 10 years later, get some relief.

I'm not clearing them yet. I'm just seeing this as a parent.

yermom
8/17/2006, 11:46 AM
maybe "feel sorry for" isn't the right words, i probably meant to say "blame"

but yes, that situation would be awful

TheHumanAlphabet
8/17/2006, 11:57 AM
I'm actually quite aware of this as many brits go over there for sex vacations. But I still don't see how that justifies treating women from Thailand like they are part of that industry. My experience with the Thai women I have met is that they are happily married suburban moms (in both the U.S. and England). Why should I treat them any differently?

Oh, I would agree with you on that. Unfortunately, parts of that culture don't feel the same...

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
8/17/2006, 12:34 PM
I think the dude looks like Gary Numan...
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/newt1.karr.afp.gi.jpg

Gary Numan
http://www.getthatsound.com/General%20Assets/Images/gary-numan.jpg

http://services.windowsmedia.com/vidpic/pic200/drV000/V014/V0014314F56.jpg

proud gonzo
8/17/2006, 12:52 PM
I don't agree with the parenting techniques, but if you can set that aside for a moment and imagine......

What it would be like to have your child taken and murdered, to be accused of it by every form of media, including Leno and others, to have your spouse die prior to being cleared and to finally, 10 years later, get some relief.

I'm not clearing them yet. I'm just seeing this as a parent.

okay then--what would it be like to pay so little attention to your child that she can be kidnapped, killed, and returned to your basement unnoticed?

critical_phil
8/17/2006, 12:54 PM
please peeples, this is comedy geenious......

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1492496&postcount=23

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 12:56 PM
okay then--what would it be like to pay so little attention to your child that she can be kidnapped, killed, and returned to your basement unnoticed?
I guess you ignored that part about "setting aside parenting techniques".

You're right. Bad parents SHOULD have their offspring killed and be blamed.

proud gonzo
8/17/2006, 12:58 PM
I guess you ignored that part about "ignoring parenting techniques".

You're right. Bad parents SHOULD have their offspring killed and be blamed.
oh see, when you said "parenting techniques" I thought you meant dressing the kid up and parading her around like a little 6 year old sex object. I figured their obliviousness fell under the "being morons" category.

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 01:00 PM
I don't think you can separate somebodies status as a moron from thier parenting techniques.

There seems to be a connection.

proud gonzo
8/17/2006, 01:01 PM
then why did you tell me to ignore their parenting techniques, hmmm?

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 01:04 PM
then why did you tell me to ignore their parenting techniques, hmmm?
Because I was suggesting that you imagine a more generic situation where it involed just being a parent and dealing with what happened.

I don't endorse them. I look my own kid in the eye and wonder what it would be like to lose them and to be blamed for it, for 10 years.

You don't have to even like the people to imagine the hell they've been through, including what stupid choices they've made.

Widescreen
8/17/2006, 01:05 PM
Room!

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 01:07 PM
Room!
We'll get a room when you ditch that nasty avatar.

proud gonzo
8/17/2006, 01:11 PM
Because I was suggesting that you imagine a more generic situation where it involed just being a parent and dealing with what happened.

I don't endorse them. I look my own kid in the eye and wonder what it would be like to lose them and to be blamed for it, for 10 years.

You don't have to even like the people to imagine the hell they've been through, including what stupid choices they've made.and I'm suggesting that more than likely they deserve at least part of the blame.

the fact is, it ISN'T a generic situation and if it was I'd care even less about it.

And besides, the point of my initial comment was not to argue about the Ramseys. I only meant I don't appreciate when other people try to dictate what I should and shouldn't care about.

Penguin
8/17/2006, 01:13 PM
This is why I would never hire a male tudor or male nanny for my kids.


Sure, a few are OK around kids. But, guys who love to be around a stranger's children should be watched.

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 01:16 PM
That's why I suggested that you might care more if you had your own spouse and child to imagine in that situation.

Is is bad if I don't care that you don't care? :D

mdklatt
8/17/2006, 01:17 PM
male nanny

male nanny =? nanno

Partial Qualifier
8/17/2006, 01:22 PM
begging to be farked....


http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/newt1.john.mark.karr.04.jpg

RacerX
8/17/2006, 01:39 PM
I think the dude looks like Gary Numan...
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/newt1.karr.afp.gi.jpg

Gary Numan
http://www.getthatsound.com/General%20Assets/Images/gary-numan.jpg

I haven't looked at any pictures, but for some reason Peter Murphy came to mind.

BeetDigger
8/17/2006, 01:40 PM
There are some things about this situation that just don't seem to fit.

For example:

Karr’s ex-wife, Lara Karr, was quoted by KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet’s killing and she does not believe he was involved in the homicide.


Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand’s immigration police, said by telephone that he was told Karr claimed he had drugged the child and had sex with her.

However


An autopsy on Ramsey said a blood screening showed no drugs or alcohol in her body, which had a 1 centimeter area of vaginal abrasion. Searches initially showed that there was semen on JonBenet’s body but further examinations conducted by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation revealed there was none.

I'm wondering if this guy is just sick and is guilty of other crimes but has convinced himself that he was involved. I have the suspecion that there is a lot more about this situation.

RacerX
8/17/2006, 01:40 PM
Sign me up for "don't care", too. Thousands of people die horrible deaths every day unnoticed, so why should JonBenet Ramsey, Aruba Girl, or any other little rich blonde girl get special attention?

Word.

BeetDigger
8/17/2006, 01:40 PM
I haven't looked at any pictures, but for some reason Peter Murphy came to mind.


"Cut's you up"

Mjcpr
8/17/2006, 01:44 PM
Word.

Klatt, Dean, Racer and PG......this would probably be a good thread to avoid then.

Just FYI.

Sooner Born Sooner Bred
8/17/2006, 01:48 PM
begging to be farked....


http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/newt1.john.mark.karr.04.jpgThat looks like they are holding him, ala Elian Gonzalez

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 02:13 PM
Klatt, Dean, Racer and PG......this would probably be a good thread to avoid then.

Just FYI.
really.

We could start a heartless bastard thread if you like.

proud gonzo
8/17/2006, 03:38 PM
really.

We could start a heartless bastard thread if you like.
i think that's the type of comment that nearly warrents a "**** off dip ****"

BeetDigger
8/17/2006, 04:06 PM
Klatt, Dean, Racer and PG......this would probably be a good thread to avoid then.

Just FYI.


As an ACTUAL parent who worries each and every day about his kids and what may happen to them when they are not with me I tend not to judge other parents too harshly. I do the best job that I can to be a good parent and I would guess the Ramsey's did the best job they could do too.

I mean, I've actually lost sight of my kids at the mall for over five seconds before, plenty of time for them to be kidnapped by someone. I guess that makes me a bad parent. I never had a true appreciation for the job until I had to do it. It's the most difficult and at the same time the best job in the world.

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 04:46 PM
i think that's the type of comment that nearly warrents a "**** off dip ****"
well.......

don't keep me waiting........;)

Penguin
8/17/2006, 04:56 PM
I blame Osama.

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 05:03 PM
As an ACTUAL parent who worries each and every day about his kids and what may happen to them when they are not with me I tend not to judge other parents too harshly. I do the best job that I can to be a good parent and I would guess the Ramsey's did the best job they could do too.

I mean, I've actually lost sight of my kids at the mall for over five seconds before, plenty of time for them to be kidnapped by someone. I guess that makes me a bad parent. I never had a true appreciation for the job until I had to do it. It's the most difficult and at the same time the best job in the world.
A GOOD parent still screws up. A BAD parent makes a lifestyle of it.

All you can do is reduce the bad choices to a minimum and hope the few you make don't bite you in the ***.

I've been scared a time or two.

BeetDigger
8/17/2006, 05:14 PM
A GOOD parent still screws up. A BAD parent makes a lifestyle of it.

All you can do is reduce the bad choices to a minimum and hope the few you make don't bite you in the ***.

I've been scared a time or two.


I sure wouldn't choose to enter my daugther in a beauty pagent. But I don't see the fact that they did that as being bad parents. I put my kids in a number of activities, some of which may be judged by some people as being something that they wouldn't do. I mean all kinds of kids do ballet, but I have no doubt that there are some people who would never dream of having their kid do ballet.

From what teeny tiny amount of information that I have seen about the Ramsey's parenting practices, I don't think of them as bad parents.

sanantoniosooner
8/17/2006, 05:21 PM
MOST pagent parents are weird that I've seen.

MOST ballet parents are not.

A parent can be obsessive about anything.

RacerX
8/18/2006, 06:39 AM
Klatt, Dean, Racer and PG......this would probably be a good thread to avoid then.

Just FYI.

:rolleyes:

Not really. It's one thing to be interested in the solving of a 10 year old crime. It's another to be all emotionally wrapped up in it.

Thanks for your concern though.

12
8/18/2006, 08:59 AM
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/ccContent/images/karr_sittingdown_GI0.jpg

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/screenshots/120207.jpg

Mjcpr
8/18/2006, 09:05 AM
:rolleyes:

Not really. It's one thing to be interested in the solving of a 10 year old crime. It's another to be all emotionally wrapped up in it.

Thanks for your concern though.

Whoops....didn't mean to imply concern.

Widescreen
8/18/2006, 10:44 AM
Whoops....didn't mean to imply concern.
Heh.

RacerX
8/18/2006, 11:35 AM
Whoops....didn't mean to imply concern.

I was being polite.

Mjcpr
8/18/2006, 12:54 PM
I was being polite.

Don't you think it went unnoticed either.

Scott D
8/18/2006, 01:07 PM
this confession has more holes in it than pat's golf game.

critical_phil
8/18/2006, 01:18 PM
this confession has more holes in it than pat's golf game.


speaking of golf, fadada's dad had a hole-in-one yesterday. we don't get news of people shooting a hole-in-one very often.....




fadadaDad

dad o'fadada

whatever.....

JohnnyMack
8/18/2006, 01:24 PM
This guy is crazier than a shi*house rat.

sanantoniosooner
8/18/2006, 01:26 PM
This guy is crazier than a shi*house rat.
with proper medication those rats can be productive.

setem
8/18/2006, 01:30 PM
That is one crazy looking guy!

If I saw him on dark street alone I think I might try and rob him!

He seems like a pretty wussy dude!

KC//CRIMSON
8/18/2006, 01:36 PM
speaking of golf, fadada's dad had a hole-in-one yesterday. we don't get news of people shooting a hole-in-one very often.....




fadadaDad

dad o'fadada

whatever.....

Fadada's dad is Olin Browne?

Frickin' sweet!

BlondeSoonerGirl
8/18/2006, 02:04 PM
I think he's a sicko that didn't do it but thinks that being known for having any kind of sexual anything with a beautiful little 6 year old girl is worth all the crap he's gonna go through in the near future. He knows he didn't do it and he knows that they're not gonna be able to pin it on him but he'll be okay with it because other sickos knowing about it and being envious is enough for him.

At first I thought 'you're screwed, yo' but not anymore.

I think they should sentence him to 1 year on Dean's ranch. And yeah - that WOULD be long enough.

Mjcpr
8/28/2006, 02:59 PM
Uh oh......


-- DNA found on JonBenet Ramsey's body does not match sample DNA from suspect John Mark Karr, Denver, Colorado's KUSA television station reports.

BlondeSoonerGirl
8/28/2006, 02:59 PM
I KNEW IT!!!

Hamhock
8/28/2006, 03:01 PM
I KNEW IT!!!


In all fairness, I knew it too...

BlondeSoonerGirl
8/28/2006, 03:02 PM
Fairness?

Are you new?


What do I win?

KC//CRIMSON
8/28/2006, 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by CNNBreakingNews
-- DNA found on JonBenet Ramsey's body does not match sample DNA from suspect John Mark Karr, Denver, Colorado's KUSA television station reports.

Duh.:rolleyes:

Mjcpr
8/28/2006, 03:03 PM
I had no idea so many folks had already solved the case.

colleyvillesooner
8/28/2006, 03:03 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet/ci_4250517


Karr's DNA not a match


John Mark Karr's DNA is not a match with material found at the scene of the JonBenet Ramsey murder, according to KUSA-TV, 9 News.

Citing sources close to the investigation of Karr, Paula Woodward of 9News reported that tests run over the weekend by the Denver Police Department "conclusively" excluded Karr as the source of foreign DNA found with JonBenet's body.

Investigators have long surmised that saliva mixed with JonBenet's blood in her underpants was left by the killer. It has been identified publicly only as coming from a male outside the Ramsey family.

9News reported that as a result of the DNA tests, Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy will not formally file charges against Karr, who is scheduled to appear in court at 4:30 p.m. in Boulder the first appearance in a Colorado court for Karr, 41.

It is not clear whether Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy will announce the DNA results at a 4:30 p.m. hearing in Boulder the first appearance in a Colorado court for Karr, 41. But without DNA or other physical evidence -- the prosecution of Karr will be difficult for Lacy's office.

But from the beginning, the case against Karr was built not on physical evidence but on his own words.

Karr drew Lacy's attention through emails he sent over four years to University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey. Sources close to the investigation have said Karr revealed details of the condition of JonBenet's body that should have been known only to the killer. It is not clear whether Lacy will release the evidence she had against Karr at this afternoon's hearing.

When Lacy announced Karr's arrest on Aug. 17, she seemed prepared for the possibility that he might not be a match to physical evidence at the scene of the Christmas night, 1996 murder.

"There are circumstances that can exist in any case which mandate an

arrest before an investigation is complete," Lacy said at that press conference. "The primary reason for that

is public safety. A secondary reason is fear of flight. In
short, exigent circumstances can drive the timing of an arrest."

Karr was to begin work as a teacher in a Bangkok girls' school on the day of his arrest.

Problems in Lacy's case became apparent even before she held her Boulder press conference.

For starters, Karr's ex-wife told a San Francisco television station that she was certain Karr was with her and their three sons in Alabama on Christmas Day, 1996. That would likely make it impossible for him to have been in Boulder later that night to kill JonBenet.

His brother Nate produced a photograph from Christmas, 1996 showing Karr's three sons at a family gathering in Atlanta. The photo doesn't show Karr, but both Karr's brother, and father, Wexford, said they would remember if John had not been present.

Additionally, reporters could find no evidence that Karr had ever been to Boulder, beyond his own word. One witness who came forward to say he had seen Karr in a Boulder bus stop shortly after the murder once operated a website connected to the case, raising doubts in investigators' minds about his impartiality.

Finally, during a rambling press conference in Bangkok, Karr softly declared, "I was with JonBenet when she died," but insisted it was an accident, despite the fact that she was strangled and beaten to death. Karr, when pressed, refused to provide any details of the crime, or say how he got to Boulder.

RacerX
8/28/2006, 03:16 PM
Somebody dump him in the ditch by the ranch.

About a week ago the wacko was quoted as saying that DNA evidence wasn't 100% accurate, or something like that.

He knows.

KC//CRIMSON
8/28/2006, 03:25 PM
I had no idea so many folks had already solved the case.

I think they should poke your nutsack for DNA.:D

IB4OU2
8/28/2006, 03:27 PM
I think they should poke your nutsack for DNA.:D

Don't get him excited cause it could get real icky.....

BeetDigger
8/28/2006, 05:01 PM
I had no idea so many folks had already solved the case.



I refer you to post #76 in this thread.

yermom
8/28/2006, 05:09 PM
he just wanted free airfare home ;)

rebmus
8/28/2006, 05:20 PM
he just wanted free airfare home ;)

heh.

seriously, i figure he wants his name out there. he's writing a book and unfortionately TOO many idiots will buy the danged book b/c they wanna see what the "fuss is about".

Chuck Bao
8/28/2006, 05:21 PM
or post #29.

Hamhock
8/28/2006, 05:29 PM
his butt better get a bill for the champagne and first class airfare.

even at that, he's going to make a killin'.

Harry Beanbag
8/28/2006, 05:42 PM
He knows that he won't be extradited back to Thailand to face his crimes there now that he's back in the States. That was the sole reason for him confessing to the crime, or so I've been told.

rebmus
8/28/2006, 05:58 PM
He knows that he won't be extradited back to Thailand to face his crimes there now that he's back in the States. That was the sole reason for him confessing to the crime, or so I've been told.
"sole reason"? hardly imo... although it played a part.

other reasons,
the book and possible sales from the book
and
he's a fargon nutbag.

yermom
8/28/2006, 06:02 PM
his butt better get a bill for the champagne and first class airfare.

even at that, he's going to make a killin'.

he should be in jail for fraud or perjury or some **** just for wasting all the time and money of all the people involved

rebmus
8/28/2006, 06:10 PM
he should be in jail for fraud or perjury or some **** just for wasting all the time and money of all the people involved

i'd rather him be forced to work while 60% of his income is collected for taxes.

then again, i don't think he's safe to have on the streets.

maybe he'll drive off a dammed cliff.

Mjcpr
8/28/2006, 07:09 PM
He has some child porn charges in California that he'll have to deal with before any book writin'.

Scott D
8/28/2006, 07:21 PM
congrats to the Boulder DA on getting 'Attention Whore Pwned'

Mjcpr
8/28/2006, 07:38 PM
congrats to the Boulder DA on getting 'Attention Whore Pwned'

Yeah, sweet jorb on that arrest. :rolleyes:

How hard could it have been to have some evidence before arresting some dude from half way around the world?

I was really hoping that was the guy.....as it is now, the case will probably never be solved.

jk the sooner fan
8/28/2006, 07:50 PM
He has some child porn charges in California that he'll have to deal with before any book writin'.

i almost think the dude is trying to work up an insanity defense......

jk the sooner fan
8/28/2006, 07:52 PM
congrats to the Boulder DA on getting 'Attention Whore Pwned'

really, what choice did they have? the guy confesses in thailand, they HAVE to arrest him to bring him back and see if he's their guy

i think they knew from the word go but you have to cross all the t's and dot all the i's.....they had no choice

rebmus
8/28/2006, 08:25 PM
He has some child porn charges in California that he'll have to deal with before any book writin'.
if i'm not mistaken... the book has already been written.

Sooner Born Sooner Bred
8/28/2006, 08:38 PM
Uh oh......In other news, the Pope is Catholic.

Scott D
8/28/2006, 09:03 PM
really, what choice did they have? the guy confesses in thailand, they HAVE to arrest him to bring him back and see if he's their guy

i think they knew from the word go but you have to cross all the t's and dot all the i's.....they had no choice

I'd say little to no choice, and in the end it's done nothing but reinforce that Colorado, especially the Boulder area has the worst DA's office in the country over the course of the past few years.