Collegefootballnews.com Top 4 programs over the last three years

[footballfanatic]

4. Oklahoma
Score: 81.25
2005 Ranking: 2 2004 Ranking: 4 2003 Ranking: 3
Program Analysis: The 8-4 2005 season means a slight drop, but not a huge one. The Conference Winning Percentage Score remains fantastic and the overall win total ranks third behind USC and Texas, but there must be more Elite Wins to get back up into the penthouse status. Draft Score used to be an issue for the Sooners, but not anymore with 11 players taken in 2005.

Attendance Score: 8.40
2005: 84,331 2004: 84,532 2003: 83,202
APR Score: 5
Total D-I Wins from 2003-2005: 32
Quality Wins from 2003-2005: 16
2005: Tulsa, Kansas, at Nebraska, Oregon (Holiday Bowl)
2004: Bowling Green, Texas Tech, Texas, at Oklahoma State, at Texas A&M, Colorado (Big 12 Championship)
2003: North Texas, Fresno State, Texas, Missouri, Oklahoma State, at Texas Tech
Players Drafted Score from 2003-2005: 18
2005: OT Jammal Brown, WR Mark Clayton, DB Brodney Pool, WR Mark Bradley, DE Dan Cody, WR Brandon Jones, DB Antonio Perkins, DB Donte Nicholson, DB Michael Hawkins, LB Lance Mitchell, OG Wes Sims
2004: DT Tommie Harris, LB Teddy Lehman, DB Derrick Strait
2003: DB Andre Woolfolk, RB Quentin Griffin, DE Jimmy Wilkerson, TE Trent Smith
Conference Winning % Score from 2003-2005: 8.85
Elite Win Score: 2 2005: Oregon (Holiday Bowl) 2004: Texas
Bad Losses: 0

3. LSU
Score: 81.70
2005 Ranking: 10 2004 Ranking: 7 2003 Ranking: 16
Program Analysis: Enjoy the elite of the elite top three ranking for one more year with the 13-1 national title season of 2003 not counting in next year's rankings. Of course, a huge 2005 will offset the loss, but it'll be hard to maintain this lofty status without a BCS-caliber campaign. The Elite Win Score is tied with USC for the best in the game and the other scores are excellent, but it's all about the wins. Only five teams won more than 30 games over the last three years, and the talent is there to keep the momentum rolling.

Attendance Score: 9.13
2005: 91,580 2004: 91,209 2003: 90,974
APR Score: 6
Total D-I Wins from 2003-2005: 31
Quality Wins from 2003-2005: 14
2005: at Arizona State, Florida, Auburn, at Alabama, Miami (Peach Bowl)
2004: Oregon State, at Florida, Troy
2003: Georgia, Auburn, at Ole Miss, Arkansas, Georgia (SEC Championship), Oklahoma (Sugar Bowl)
Players Drafted Score from 2003-2005: 14
2005: DE Marcus Spears, DB Corey Webster, DB Travis Daniels
2004: WR Michael Clayton, WR Devery Henderson, DE Marquise Hill, OG Stephen Peterman, DT Chad Lavalais, P Donnie Jones, QB Matt Mauck
2003: RB Domanick Davis, LB Bradie James, RB LaBrandon Toefield, DB Norman Lejeune
Conference Winning % Score from 2003-2005: 8.08
Elite Win Score: 6.5 2005: at Alabama, Miami (Peach Bowl) 2003: Georgia, at Ole Miss, Georgia (SEC Championship), Oklahoma (Sugar Bowl)
NOTE: Georgia finished 2003 with three losses, but two of them were against LSU. The ruling was to count each as an Elite Win.
Bad Losses: 0

2. Texas
Score: 85.53
2005 Ranking: 9 2004 Ranking: 11 2003 Ranking: 13
Program Analysis: Go 13-0 and win a national title; move up the rankings in a big way. Last year's tremendous season finally earned Mack Brown and the Longhorns a spot among the best programs in the nation with great all-around scores helped by winning 92% of the Big 12 games and coming up with the second-most wins of any program over the last three seasons. The 19 Quality Win Score didn't just lead the nation, it blew away everyone else with USC and Oklahoma second in the category with 16.

Attendance Score: 8.33
2005: 83,333 2004: 83,094 2003: 83,339
APR Score: 6
Total D-I Wins from 2003-2005: 34
Quality Wins from 2003-2005: 19
2005: UL Lafayette, at Ohio State, at Missouri, Oklahoma, Colorado, Texas Tech, Kansas, Colorado (Big 12 Championship), USC (Rose Bowl)
2004: North Texas, at Texas Tech, at Colorado, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Michigan (Rose Bowl)
2003: Kansas State, Nebraska, at Oklahoma State, Texas Tech
Players Drafted Score from 2003-2005: 18
2005: RB Cedric Benson, LB Derrick Johnson, TE Bo Scaife
2004: WR Roy Williams, DT Marcus Tubbs, DB Nathan Vasher, WR Sloan Thomas
2003: DE Cory Redding, OG Derrick Dockery, QB Chris Simms, DB Roderick Babers
Conference Winning % Score from 2003-2005: 8.85
Elite Win Score: 3.5 2005: at Ohio State, USC (Rose Bowl) 2004: Michigan (Rose Bowl)
Bad Losses: 0

1. USC
Score: 90.02
2005 Ranking: 1 2004 Ranking: 10 2003 Ranking: 24
Program Analysis: Shock of shocks, USC is number one for the second year in a row. What is a stunner is the margin beating Texas 4.49 points after finishing just 0.35 over number two Oklahoma in 2005. Going 37-2 over a three-year span certainly makes the rating high, and as expected, the fans have starting showing up more and more averaging close to 14,000 more fans per game than in 2003. The only possible knock is the average APR Score, but it's still not all that bad.

Attendance Score: 8.44
2005: 90,812 2004: 85,229 2003: 77,084
APR Score: 5
Total D-I Wins from 2003-2005: 37
Quality Wins from 2003-2005: 16
2005: at Oregon, at Arizona State, at Notre Dame, at California, Fresno State, UCLA
2004: Virginia Tech, California, Arizona State, at Oregon State, Oklahoma (Orange Bowl)
2003: at Auburn, Hawaii, Washington State, Oregon State, Michigan (Rose Bowl)
Players Drafted Score from 2003-2005: 15
2005: DT Manuel Wright (supplemental draft), WR Mike Williams, DT Mike Patterson, DT Shaun Cody, LB Lofa Tatupu, QB Matt Cassell
2004: DE Kenichi Udeze, OT Jacob Rogers, WR Keary Colbert, DB Will Poole
2003: QB Carson Palmer, DB Troy Polamalu, RB Justin Fargas, WR Kareem Kelly, RB Malaefou MacKenzie
Conference Winning % Score from 2003-2005: 9.58
Elite Win Score: 7 2005: at Oregon, at Notre Dame, UCLA 2004: California, Oklahoma (Orange Bowl) 2003: Michigan (Rose Bowl)
Bad Losses: 0

[XingTheRubicon]

1. Sexual Assault U
2. Paedophile U
3. Classy fan U
4. Team that "made it happen" for the other 3 on this list.

[fadada1]

switch us and the whorns and it'll be correct.

[melbitoast]

that attendance scoring is retarded. they should score it on attendance-to-seats available ratio. it's not our fault we don't have a 105,000 capacity stadium. an over-flowing stadium is more intimidating than one that's 85-90% full but has more people. JMO

[sooneron]

Why would anyone do this sort of crap for a three year span? Who really gives a ****?

Bragging rights on bbs's? "Oh, yeah, well my team was declared one of the top 4 programs over the last 3 years!!!!"

That is ****ing ghey

[Partial Qualifier]

That is ****ing ghey

agreed

[FaninAma]

Haven't you guys figured out yet than CFN is hornfanslite.com ?

[FlatheadSooner]

There should be bonus points or multiplier for BCS NC appearances! :mad:

This would raise OU by at least two positions. :confused:

[caphorns]

I'd like to see the an alternative list of greatest teams over some other randomly chosen period of time using some random mildly interesting factoids before I judge.

[footballfanatic]

I think it's an interesting way to look at the best programs. And CFN is a good site, always willing to dig deeper. Hey, two Big 12 schools in the top 4--that's pretty good.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Any list that puts the Whorns above us over that period is null and void.

Silly jackasses...

[Herr Scholz]

Any list that puts the Whorns above us over that period is null and void.

Silly jackasses...
Why? We won a national title during that period (OU didn't) and both of our teams won a single conference title.

[Texas]

even this one?


All time wins
1 Michigan
2 Notre Dame
3 Texas
4 Nebraska
5t Alabama
5t Ohio State
7 Penn State
8 Tennessee
9 Oklahoma

[Landthief 1972]

Why? We won a national title during that period (OU didn't) and both of our teams won a single conference title.
But OU owned Tejas for 2 of the 3 years. :P:texan:

[Herr Scholz]

But OU owned Tejas for 2 of the 3 years. :P:texan:
That's the aggy way to look at it, yes. How many national titles did that earn you?

[King Crimson]

That's the aggy way to look at it, yes. How many national titles did that earn you?

oh, i see. it's not head to head that matters.....it's championships. the rhetorical plasticity theory once again proves that black is white.

[Big Red Ron]

That's the aggy way to look at it, yes. How many national titles did that earn you?four more than UT

[Big Red Ron]

That's the aggy way to look at it, yes. How many national titles did that earn you?Oh the irony, horn.:twinkies:

[Herr Scholz]

four more than UT
7-4 = 4 in OU math? If you want me to poke holes in some of your national titles, I'd be happy to.

And I've always said I'd rather have more national titles as opposed to the head to head comparison.

[Dances with Possums]

Over the last three years, it's pretty clear that, with the criteria CFN established at the outset, Texas has been better than OU.

Last year at this time, it was equally clear that, over the previous three years, OU had been better than Texas.

[Big Red Ron]

7-4 = 4 in OU math? If you want me to poke holes in some of your national titles, I'd be happy to.

And I've always said I'd rather have more national titles as opposed to the head to head comparison.Poke away aggie like horn. We don't have any Bama/USC type MNC's just the REAL Deals!

[Herr Scholz]

Poke away aggie like horn. We don't have any Bama/USC type MNC's just the REAL Deals!
You lost your bowl game in 1950 for your first title. Tennessee is recognized a national champ that year too and they won their bowl game. If the AP and UPI had voted after the bowl games that year, you wouldn't even have a share of that one. The only difference between your title in '50 and ours in '70 is that the AP had started voting after the bowl game in '70. The UPI still voted before the bowl game back then (just like in 1950 before you guys lost your bowl game to juggernaut Kentucky). You can't take away our legitimate title then no matter how much you want to. You can come see our trophy any time you want as well. In any case, if we only have 3, you only have 6. You have 3 more than us any way you slice it.

In addition, you were on probation for 2 of your other titles in '56 and '74 and not even allowed to play in a bowl game. If you're using bowl game success as your argument against our '70 title, shouldn't you forfeit both of those? This is not even mentioning the ethical question of whether a program which got caught cheating and was put on probation should even be allowed to win a national title.

UT is listed on every publication everywhere as co-champs in 1970. Show me one that doesn't...Go ahead...Still waiting...Can't find one? That's what I thought.

One more thing; if you were looking at this argument as an objective observer, wouldn't you feel that fans of the team with more titles who wish they could wipe away a legitimate title of a team with fewer titles come off as just a little bit insecure? Shouldn't you guys be prouder than that? You don't think we're actually going to catch you in this department do you? Well, maybe you are afraid of that...

[King Crimson]

that's pathetic Herr.

[footballfanatic]

I don't know why everyone is complaining. According to CFN, whom I think is the most credible and unbiased source for info, as they really do their homework, and don't get swallowed up by the hype, UT and OU are two of the top four programs over the last four years. Not surprisingly, all four programs listed have won the last five national championships, or shared in the title. And yes, UT has been better than OU over the last three years overall, because the poll doesn't count national championship appearances, but rather good wins against quality opponents. Last year at this time, OU was ahead, but the 2005 season propelled UT slightly higher. At the end of this year, they could flip-flop again, though my real prediction is that BOTH programs will slip a little this year.

What's interesting is that the poll also considers aspects like players drafted, attendance (which hurts a program like Miami, which has a hard time filling it's stadium) To see the complete list, 1-100, go to collegefootballnews.com

[Herr Scholz]

that's pathetic Herr.
He asked for it. If someone's going to disparage one our 4 national titles, it's fair game as far as I'm concerned.

I'm waiting for his reply how your very first title in 1950 title is the "REAL DEAL".

[Big Red Ron]

He asked for it. If someone's going to disparage one our 4 national titles, it's fair game as far as I'm concerned.

I'm waiting for his reply how your very first title in 1950 title is the "REAL DEAL".I only count the gold standard of the day and times. Was AP and now is BCS.

Do you think USC was going for a three pete? Or do you think they failed at a back to back attempt?

Does UT have 4 AP or BCS Championships?

It really isn't confusing. Bowl games were for chits and giggles back in 1950. They had nothing to do with Championships. Tenn doesn't have the 1950 AP championship, we do.

We can pad our 7 with a few others too.

Just remember we have more than you.

[caphorns]

We got what both of us came for over that period of time (a NC) and you didn't. Were we better than OU during the majority of those 3 years? Who knows? Who cares? It's worth noting that OU beat Texas 2-1; but it does not logically follow that OU is better than Texas over those 3 years. For instance, was tOSU better than OU in even 1 YEAR that they beat your Bob Stoops coached teams. RESOUNDING ANSWER - NO F'N WAY.

Head-to-head is important though for tracking a rivalry in and of itself.

Big wins and national championships are important to judging importance on the national scene.

End of f'n story.

And yes - 7 to 4 should be plenty of incentive for our guys. OU has had the better program from a national perspective over the years SIMPLY for this fact alone. It's disgusting to have to say that and what ****es me off worse is USC is even higher than that. Gah. Ghey condoms own us all.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Texas sucks big sweaty donkey balls.

I hate the Whorns. I hate their team. I hate their alumni. I hate all the MILLIONS of bandwagon fans. I hate their uniforms. I hate their students. I hate their city. I hate their mascot. I hate their arrogance. I hate their annual hype. I hate their hypocricy. I hate their wives. I hate their doctors.

I do, however, love their morticians.

[Herr Scholz]

I only count the gold standard of the day and times. Was AP and now is BCS.

Tenn doesn't have the 1950 AP championship, we do.
That's true, but if the rules were the same in '50 as they were in '70 (ie. the AP voting AFTER the bowl game), you wouldn't have that title now would you? Your '50 title is the exact same as our '70 title except for when the AP voted.

You lost your bowl game that year same as us in '70.

[caphorns]

Texas sucks big sweaty donkey balls.

I hate the Whorns. I hate their team. I hate their alumni. I hate all the MILLIONS of bandwagon fans. I hate their uniforms. I hate their students. I hate their city. I hate their mascot. I hate their arrogance. I hate their annual hype. I hate their hypocricy. I hate their wives. I hate their doctors.

I do, however, love their morticians.

This would check out LAS. I think there's a high rate of homosexuality and deviant sexual behavior among morticians.

[snp]

I don't know why everyone is complaining. According to CFN, whom I think is the most credible and unbiased source for info, as they really do their homework, and don't get swallowed up by the hype

How much are they paying you to say that?

CFN is a hack website with no real information. Every week they will release some stupid list like "RS Freshman All-Americans" or "Best backup punter". There is nothing of substance that they produce.

EDSBS, on the otherhand, is awesome.

[NormanPride]

That's true, but if the rules were the same in '50 as they were in '70 (ie. the AP voting AFTER the bowl game), you wouldn't have that title now would you? Your '50 title is the exact same as our '70 title except for when the AP voted.

You lost your bowl game that year same as us in '70.

Well sure, if the rules were stated that way at the beginning of the season. But that's really beside the point, isn't it? We knew going in that the '50 bowl game meant jack squat. Your guys knew going in that the '70 one did. That's a huge difference in preparation and mentality, agreed? Who's to say that we don't win that bowl game if our guys wanted it more? It's impossible to predict.

[WP76]

Fact check for Herr--OU didn't play in a bowl game after the 56 season not because of probation but because the rules precluded the Sooners from playing in the Orange Bowl in consecutive seasons.

Secondly, in 1950 there was only one set of rules e.g. the polls were taken before the bowls so going in OU knew they had the title sewn up. In those days, bowls were basically meainingless. They were considered a perk for a for a good season (there were only about six of them then) and irrelevant to the final polls. Many of the national champions of that era--Notre Dame, Army--didn't even play in bowls. There was no need to.

I like the fact that OU takes the high ground in this regard. If the Sooners wanted to, they could follow the precedent of teams like Michigan and USC and claim 16 (count 'em) national championships. To our credit, we don't do that.

[LosAngelesSooner]

This would check out LAS. I think there's a high rate of homosexuality and deviant sexual behavior among morticians.

A whorn accusing someone of deviant sexual behavior?

Maybe your should check out some of your recent O-Line graduates first.

Glass houses...my smelly friend.:pop:

[crimson&cream]

[QUOTE=Herr Scholz]You lost your bowl game in 1950 for your first title. Tennessee is recognized a national champ that year too and they won their bowl game. If the AP and UPI had voted after the bowl games that year, you wouldn't even have a share of that one. The only difference between your title in '50 and ours in '70 is that the AP had started voting after the bowl game in '70. The UPI still voted before the bowl game back then (just like in 1950 before you guys lost your bowl game to juggernaut Kentucky). You can't take away our legitimate title then no matter how much you want to. You can come see our trophy any time you want as well. In any case, if we only have 3, you only have 6. You have 3 more than us any way you slice it.

In addition, you were on probation for 2 of your other titles in '56 and '74 and not even allowed to play in a bowl game. If you're using bowl game success as your argument against our '70 title, shouldn't you forfeit both of those? This is not even mentioning the ethical question of whether a program which got caught cheating and was put on probation should even be allowed to win a national title.

UT is listed on every publication everywhere as co-champs in 1970. Show me one that doesn't...Go ahead...Still waiting...Can't find one? That's what I thought.

One more thing; if you were looking at this argument as an objective observer, wouldn't you feel that fans of the team with more titles who wish they could wipe away a legitimate title of a team with fewer titles come off as just a little bit insecure? Shouldn't you guys be prouder than that? You don't think we're actually going to catch you in this department do you? Well, maybe you are afraid of that...[/QUOT



Yep but we don't go 31 yrs between NC's LMAO
Street & Smiths All Time best FB programs -OU 2nd Texas 8or9th
Natl C's OU 7 Texass 4
Conf Championhips OU 39 Texass 23
Big 12 OU 3 Texass 2 Championships
Series in the modren era of Fb WWII on
head to head OU 23 Texass 21 wins
Big 12 OU 6 Texass 4 wins
National Award winners OU 63 Texass ? about what 20 I could only find 15
Most points scored college FB OU 28,433
most consecutive wins 'THE REcord" 47 straight and 2 more in top 10 31 & 28
Texass nowhere to be found in that category.
Weeks atop the AP polls #1 tied with ND at 95-Texass 8th 42
All-Americans 141 -Texass ?
All-Conference OU 416- Texass ?
Most game won modern era of Fb OU # 1 w/505-Texass 5th w/476
Best winning percentage modern era of FB OU # 1 - Texass 7th again
Winngest team of the decades the 50's OU, the 70's OU and present OU
Texass has never been the best of a decade. Sob Sob
4 Coaches in Col HOF Hall of Fame
Only 12 losing season in 112 yrs.-Texass ? who cares
Heismen winners OU 4 Texass 2
Winningest Coaches All-Time Wilkinson & Switzer 9th & 4th Texass couldn't find any in top 10/15
In the last half century nobody has won more NC's than OU
Since 1950 no school has had more consensus All-Americans.
Need I go on-nah it would be more embarrassing for Texass head to head best program.

[crimson&cream]

even this one?
Most authorities look rather at the modren era of FB WWII since before that many schools played HS Vocational Schools etc.Not until the modren era did teams really play to their level of competiton. Therefore Taxass sucks our behind in the modern era of FB:eek:
You want the times before WWII back take it, we own your a$$ since then.
Who's the winningest program over the last 5yrs.?

[crimson&cream]

You lost your bowl game in 1950 for your first title. Tennessee is recognized a national champ that year too and they won their bowl game. If the AP and UPI had voted after the bowl games that year, you wouldn't even have a share of that one. The only difference between your title in '50 and ours in '70 is that the AP had started voting after the bowl game in '70. The UPI still voted before the bowl game back then (just like in 1950 before you guys lost your bowl game to juggernaut Kentucky). You can't take away our legitimate title then no matter how much you want to. You can come see our trophy any time you want as well. In any case, if we only have 3, you only have 6. You have 3 more than us any way you slice it.

In addition, you were on probation for 2 of your other titles in '56 and '74 and not even allowed to play in a bowl game. If you're using bowl game success as your argument against our '70 title, shouldn't you forfeit both of those? This is not even mentioning the ethical question of whether a program which got caught cheating and was put on probation should even be allowed to win a national title.

UT is listed on every publication everywhere as co-champs in 1970. Show me one that doesn't...Go ahead...Still waiting...Can't find one? That's what I thought.

One more thing; if you were looking at this argument as an objective observer, wouldn't you feel that fans of the team with more titles who wish they could wipe away a legitimate title of a team with fewer titles come off as just a little bit insecure? Shouldn't you guys be prouder than that? You don't think we're actually going to catch you in this department do you? Well, maybe you are afraid of that...
When we won Back to Back NC's in 74/75 but not the UPI poll it was one of your dumba$$ Texass HS coaches who changed Kerry Jackson's transcript that got us put on probation, he was probably a UT plant. DumbA$$ Longwhoren.Problem was a coach on staff at OU knew what was being done and kept quiet, probably another D A$$ Longwhoren plant
Also your wrong about 1950 & Tenn as they were NC in 1951 and not recognized as NC in 1950 according to ESPN Sports Almanac.
Bone up will Ya.
BTW you aren't going to catch us in alot of departments.LMAO.

[Abby12]

1. Sexual Assault U
2. Paedophile U
3. Classy fan U
4. Team that "made it happen" for the other 3 on this list.


Speaks volumes for land thieves! 1+2 always = 3 at uo

[OKC-SLC]

this thread makes me tired.

[AlabamaSooner]

That's true, but if the rules were the same in '50 as they were in '70 (ie. the AP voting AFTER the bowl game), you wouldn't have that title now would you? Your '50 title is the exact same as our '70 title except for when the AP voted.

You lost your bowl game that year same as us in '70.

Well they weren't so I guess there's no reason to argue over it. From now until the end of time, the 1950 National Champion is the Oklahoma Sooners. I've said it once and I'll say it again, back then teams knew what they had to do to win the championship and that's what we did. There are multiple teams that have AP championships, etc. that lost their bowl games. Alabama is one that I know of for sure.

[XingTheRubicon]

Speaks volumes for land thieves! 1+2 always = 3 at uo

Let's leave Oregon and Tulsa out of this.

[crimson&cream]

Speaks volumes for land thieves! 1+2 always = 3 at uo
You didn't get it thats understandable from a Longwhoren.
You we figured out how to tell when a Longwhoren is married-By the tobacco spit stains on the outside of both sides of his pickup doors.