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BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 06:23 PM
Maybe a few of you have seen this, but the first I heard about it was in George Lang's column in The Oklahoman this morning. Here's an article in Filter ( http://www.filter-mag.com/news/interior.3403.html (http://www.filter-mag.com/news/interior.3403.html) )

For the first time in over 15 years seminial British guitarist Johnny Marr is now a full-time member of a band he didn't form. According to a recent Rolling Stone interview with Modest Mouse singer Isaac Brock, Marr is now "not pretty much. He's a full blown member of the band [Modest Mouse]. It's really ****in' nice."

Previously it had been reported that Marr was merely involved in the recording of the album, however this is the first confirmation that he will be touring with the band as well.

"He made a cautious commitment to write and record with us, and then the tighter we got, he was like, 'okay, let's tour too,", Brock said.

The Seattle outfit's forthcoming album We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank was recorded in Mississippi and produced by Dennis Heering (Good News For People Who Love Bad News), it's due in stores this fall.

It is not clear what this will mean for Marr's 2nd Healers album which he is said to have been currently recording.

Here's a link to Lang's column: http://www.newsok.com/article/2828836/ (http://www.newsok.com/article/2828836/)

Guitarist’s addition may let Mouse roar

By George Lang
The Oklahoman

Mergers and acquisitions in rock ’n’ roll are usually best described by the title of Modest Mouse’s last disc: “Good News for People Who Love Bad News.” Established musicians pooling their “Q-Factors” usually means the formation of the much-feared “supergroup” and the inevitable creation of stunningly mediocre music. They usually look promising on paper, but the phrase “less than the sum of their parts” was practically invented to describe Audioslave or Velvet Revolver.

But when it was announced last week that former Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr had officially joined Modest Mouse, no red flags appeared. Marr replaces on-again, off-again guitarist Dann Gallucci in the group, which is now mixing its follow-up to “Good News for People Who Love Bad News,” tentatively given the Liars-like title, “We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank.” For now, it is set for a fall release.

Granted, this is not the alliance most people would pluck out of their dreams: Marr is 12 years older than Mouse head Isaac Brock, and at least on a superficial level, he is a prime example of a much different musical sensibility. The man practically invented modern Brit-pop, and his mellifluous guitar work over the past 22 years would not normally suggest compatability with the Brock’s deeply idiosyncratic vision.

Dig deeper and the differences aren’t quite so mammoth, especially given the recent musical trajectory of Modest Mouse. The jangle on “Float On” and the glissandos on “Ocean Breathes Salty,” the two radio hits from “Good News,” share commonalities with Marr’s classic sound, and Brock seems to be thinking more in terms of classic pop structures these days. Brock is a talented and distinctive lyricist — Marr has experience with these types — and working with Marr could add a new dimension to Mouse. For one thing, Marr can write amazing bridges, adding complexity and nuance to Brock’s riff-based melodies.

Despite his legacy and skill, Marr never fulfilled his post-Smiths promise. It has been 20 years since the release of the best Smiths record, “The Queen is Dead,” and nearly that long since that classic Manchester group announced its breakup. In the ensuing two decades, Marr’s activity has mainly centered on session work, playing on records by Bryan Ferry, Billy Bragg, Talking Heads, Beck (on “Midnite Vultures”) and Oasis. In addition to sporadic work with New Order’s Bernard Sumner in Electronic, Marr did some amazing if largely forgotten, playing with Matt Johnson in The The on the grossly underrated 1993 disc, “Dusk.”

Those are all perfectly respectable resume bullets, but Smiths fans expected Marr to channel the energy of the sun, turn water into wine and cure cancer with his playing. Marr finally recorded his own album in the early 2000s and released Johnny Marr and the Healers’ “Boomslang” in 2003. It was an underwhelming and disconcertingly mild record with one truly strong Noel Gallagher-esque song (“Down on the Corner,” not the Creedence Clearwater Revival track), but not much else to recommend it as anything beyond background music.

“Boomslang” proved one thing: Marr needed a great collaborator, an outsized personality to bring his music into focus. He had that with Morrissey, and now he will have it with Brock, an entirely different kind of animal, but one who takes lyrical command and has a particular vision. Without these strong personalities, Marr is simply a great guitarist in need of great material.

If Marr is back working at full tilt, “We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank” could be one of the best releases of 2006. A Smiths reunion will never happen, and based on Morrissey’s recent note-perfect solo renditions of Smiths material, it would be borderline pointless. But give Marr a new and fresh context for his playing, and the results should be far more satisfying than a sure-to-disappoint nostalgia trip, and much better than most “supergroups.”
As a Smiths fan since I was a pimply teenager, and a big fan of Modest Mouse over the past 3-4 years, I'm salivating.

BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 06:44 PM
You know what sucks? Spending 20 minutes copying and pasting articles and URLs I think people will enjoy and then watching the thread drop like a rock. I need to start posting stuff about Nickelback, I guess. My bad.

BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 06:49 PM
Bunch of ****ing hillbillies.

BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 06:53 PM
Here you go. Enjoy some banality:

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BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 06:53 PM
This thread is guaranteed to go for five pages now.

BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 06:54 PM
Sorry Rhino. Trying to make a point here.

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8/11/2006, 06:58 PM
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8/11/2006, 06:59 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:00 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:01 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:02 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:03 PM
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BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 07:04 PM
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BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 07:04 PM
It's entirely possible that I won't be able to top the suckage that is Hoobastank.

BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 07:06 PM
I'm sorry, I was wrong.

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BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 07:06 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:07 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:07 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:08 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:09 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:10 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:11 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:12 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:13 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:16 PM
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8/11/2006, 07:17 PM
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BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 07:17 PM
I wish I could lock my own thread.

BigRedJed
8/11/2006, 07:22 PM
****ing hillbillies.

SoonerAtKU
8/11/2006, 07:24 PM
As cool as it is to have Marr in the band, it means that ex-Murder City Devil Gallucci is out for good. I guess he was a flake in a couple of bands, but I always liked watching him play.

afs
8/11/2006, 07:28 PM
Evanescence ROCKS!!!

hurricane'bone
8/11/2006, 07:36 PM
Way to fag up your thread, Jed.


Cool news.

tbl
8/11/2006, 07:42 PM
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;)

tbl
8/11/2006, 07:45 PM
I thought the article was very interesting indeed. I'm looking forward to the album.

I am however concerned with your ability to go into a panic about people not loving your thread, 15 minutes after you posted it. ShortFuseJed.

PhilTLL
8/11/2006, 07:45 PM
(1) wah
(2) You're trying the "You unsophisticated non-musical idiots" bit with Modest Mouse as your backup? Seriously?

tbl
8/11/2006, 07:55 PM
MM is a very good band....

critical_phil
8/11/2006, 08:08 PM
just one question.

wtf is johnny marr.















oh, also: wtf is modest mouse.

so i guess that's two questions. 1...2.... yep, two questions.

birddog
8/11/2006, 08:18 PM
when is the next album due?

RacerX
8/11/2006, 08:48 PM
Jed must need some fiber.

PhilTLL
8/11/2006, 09:02 PM
MM is a very good band....

A matter of preference, but one thing they are not is lacking in exposure. Hard to pull the "I'm into bands that you losers have never heard of" thing.

WILBURJIM
8/11/2006, 10:21 PM
"The Queen is Dead" album came out twenty years ago?Holy Chit! I saw the Smiths on that tour and felt old.:eek:

Hatfield
8/11/2006, 10:41 PM
i enjoyed your modest mouse news. fwiw

tbl
8/11/2006, 11:14 PM
A matter of preference, but one thing they are not is lacking in exposure. Hard to pull the "I'm into bands that you losers have never heard of" thing.
True, but only recently... and even that fame is already fleeting again.

"Pavement" on the other hand.... greatness.

BigRedJed
8/12/2006, 12:24 AM
Yep. This thread still sucks.

Frozen Sooner
8/12/2006, 12:26 AM
Modest Mouse=cool.

But they were more fun to listen to when they were a really good band that nobody had heard of instead of a kinda unprofessional band everyone had.

Some really outstanding music and some of the best album titles out there.

bri
8/12/2006, 12:29 AM
This news is a tiny glimmering oasis of happy in a sprawling desert of misery.

The resultant and predictable "MY music sucks? No, YOUR music sucks!" posturing that has followed? Not so much with the happy.

BigRedJed
8/12/2006, 12:48 AM
You're just saying that because you know your music sucks.

bri
8/12/2006, 12:56 AM
MY music sucks?!?

YOUR music sucks!!!





Aaaaaaaaaand....scene.

Frozen Sooner
8/12/2006, 12:56 AM
You guys love each other in a totally heterosexual way.

bri
8/12/2006, 12:59 AM
Well, you never really know someone until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

Or, you know, sat around and watched Girls Gone Wild informercials in dry clothes he's loaned you. Stupid rain. :mad:

And yes, I know you bastards will take that and go crazy with it. I don't care, because I'm secure in my manhood. Which means, I was "the man". :D

BigRedJed
8/12/2006, 01:00 AM
Sometimes he dresses up in my clothes. But I don't mind. He looks cute in them.

BigRedJed
8/12/2006, 01:00 AM
Dammit! He beat me to the punch.

Frozen Sooner
8/12/2006, 01:01 AM
I just feel cool because I got Bri's title as soon as I saw it.

bri
8/12/2006, 01:02 AM
That's because you are the Stilgar to my Usul.

Frozen Sooner
8/12/2006, 01:04 AM
Oh, good. I don't have to turn into a giant sand worm.

Believe it or not, I just read those books for the first time in May. Well, the first three anyhow. Wow does the quality drop off quite a bit after the first one.

Have you listened to the recent rantings out of Iran lately, by the way? I can't keep myself from laughing every time they start raving about the "Mahdi" who is coming...

bri
8/12/2006, 01:09 AM
OR be killed and then made into a ghoula. You were THIS CLOSE to being Duncan. ;)

Yeah, when they kept talking about the Feydakin (yeah, I misspelled it. I'm buzzy.) during our Great Second Iraqi War, I kept thinking, "They've got FREMEN?!? Holy sh*t, we're f*cked!!!"

I need to read Dune again. I read Children of Dune and Dune Messiah (I think that's the next two...I'm too tired to look 'em up.) last year. I'm just such a freakin' Dune nerd. Between the Sci-Fi minis, the "Alan Smithee" cut of the Lynch Dune and the sweet new Kwisatz Haderach t-shirt they have over at Goats.com...I'ma be a broke nerd by the time I'm done. :D

Frozen Sooner
8/12/2006, 02:37 AM
Yep, those are the second and third book.

Has anyone forwarded plans for a stilsuit to the Pentagon yet?

birddog
8/12/2006, 10:32 AM
go put in some Building Nothing Out of Something and report back to me...

bri
8/12/2006, 01:33 PM
Has anyone forwarded plans for a stilsuit to the Pentagon yet?

I think the next President will be presented with a gift of stillsuits by Dr. Kynes, the judge of the change.

tbl
8/12/2006, 01:53 PM
I think all the Dune prequels are way better than the originals. Don't get me wrong, the first couple of books were really good, but once you get past God Emperor it just fizzles for me.

The House and Butlerian Jihad series are fantastic and MUCH easier reads. Plus they give you a lot of insight into stuff that is often vaguely referred to in the originals (the source of the Harkonnen/Atreides feud, the origins of Mentats, the guild, Fremen, and obviously spice).

bri
8/12/2006, 02:37 PM
Weren't the prequels written by someone else?

BigRedJed
8/12/2006, 02:39 PM
Way to fag up my Hoobastank thread.

Scott D
8/12/2006, 02:39 PM
yeah, Herbert's son.

bri
8/12/2006, 02:43 PM
That's what I thought, but I'm on a "no research" kick right now. Unsubstantiated opinions are the very foundation of internet debate, after all. :D

critical_phil
8/12/2006, 03:22 PM
fwiw, i ****ing love johnny marr - bad hip and all.....

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tbl
8/12/2006, 05:33 PM
It is his son and he had access to all kinds of material, so the books are definitely true to Dune history. The guy he wrote them with helps to make it more readable. You'll like them, I assure you.

Rhino
8/14/2006, 07:31 PM
The best part of The Moon & Antarctica was that Isaac Brock curses all over most of the songs, but you can't understand a word or it anyways.

So, we'd always play it unedited on-air.

King Crimson
8/14/2006, 07:48 PM
i like the Fruit that Ate Itself.

Karma Payment Plan and Dirty Fingernails...etc.

sooneron
8/14/2006, 09:17 PM
I am seriously considering neg bombing Jed for making me feel like a Geezer!!! I recognized about 1/4 of the groups that he posted pics of!!! I am in NYC on a daily basis ferchrissakes!!!!

I know, I'm prolly better off not knowing, b/c most of it is that fluff punk/metal/rap crap that is so overplayed on Clear channel.

King Crimson
8/14/2006, 09:35 PM
I am seriously considering neg bombing Jed for making me feel like a Geezer!!! I recognized about 1/4 of the groups that he posted pics of!!! I am in NYC on a daily basis ferchrissakes!!!!

I know, I'm prolly better off not knowing, b/c most of it is that fluff punk/metal/rap crap that is so overplayed on Clear channel.


you are seeing it all the wrong way. that **** sucks. Jed' right. who cares?

there has not even been a solid account of Johnny Marr as yet in this thread.....

sooneron
8/14/2006, 09:35 PM
I even liked his work with Talking Heads.

King Crimson
8/14/2006, 09:36 PM
ask the guys in radiohead what they think of johnny marr?

sooneron
8/14/2006, 09:40 PM
Well, I think he's one of the most influential alt guitarists of all time.

On a side note. I had to drive to work today, so I usually park in Hoboken and take the train into the city (USUALLY faster) I was surprised to see (still there) on the ceiling of the parking garage elevator a vintage Alarm sticker - all it says is Declaration in the same font as the album! Very weird. I would have to guess that this sticker has probably been there for 20 years.

King Crimson
8/14/2006, 09:49 PM
Well, I think he's one of the most influential alt guitarists of all time.

On a side note. I had to drive to work today, so I usually park in Hoboken and take the train into the city (USUALLY faster) I was surprised to see (still there) on the ceiling of the parking garage elevator a vintage Alarm sticker - all it says is Declaration in the same font as the album! Very weird. I would have to guess that this sticker has probably been there for 20 years.

i know you know. i'm just trying to spread the good word.

that's interesting about the Alarm. the Alarm EP and Declaration were pretty cool....and before they started to try and be U2.

sooneron
8/14/2006, 09:50 PM
They were the Welsh U2.

sooneron
8/14/2006, 09:53 PM
And Marr created THE guitar riff that was Alt in the 80's . The butter knife intro for How Soon Is Now would cause the dancefloor to FLOOD! How we danced to sub 125 bpm music is beyond me.

BigRedJed
8/15/2006, 12:35 PM
How Soon Is Now is one of the greatest songs of my generation. When Morrisey played here a few months ago, he did it, and, even without Johnny Marr, it rocked my face off. It was eargasmic.

By the way, it's an odd coincidence that you mentioned the Alarm sticker in the elevator thing in my thread. I actually rode in an elevator with the Alarm in '85 (or early '86). I was a senior in HS and was at a Kansas HS journalism conference on the campus of KU in Lawrence. My best friend and I were wandering around the hotel, unsupervised, smoking pot in our rooms, ordering pizzas, etc. We got on the elevator and saw these guys, obviously in a band, and strangely familiar. I vaguely knew about the Alarm at the time, but not enough to immediately recognize them. She was the same way.

So we all rode up the elevator together, not really saying anything. When we got to the KU campus the next day, we saw posters everywhere for the Alarm show that had happened the same night, on campus. We put two and two together that they were returning to their rooms after the show. We were really bummed because we could have gone to the show.

On a related note, that day I won first place in the state competition for editorial writing, and got second place in the advertising layout competition. Little did I know that would be my lifetime peak of personal accomplishment.

sooneron
8/15/2006, 03:20 PM
How Soon Is Now is one of the greatest songs of my generation. When Morrisey played here a few months ago, he did it, and, even without Johnny Marr, it rocked my face off. It was eargasmic.

By the way, it's an odd coincidence that you mentioned the Alarm sticker in the elevator thing in my thread. I actually rode in an elevator with the Alarm in '85 (or early '86). I was a senior in HS and was at a Kansas HS journalism conference on the campus of KU in Lawrence. My best friend and I were wandering around the hotel, unsupervised, smoking pot in our rooms, ordering pizzas, etc. We got on the elevator and saw these guys, obviously in a band, and strangely familiar. I vaguely knew about the Alarm at the time, but not enough to immediately recognize them. She was the same way.

So we all rode up the elevator together, not really saying anything. When we got to the KU campus the next day, we saw posters everywhere for the Alarm show that had happened the same night, on campus. We put two and two together that they were returning to their rooms after the show. We were really bummed because we could have gone to the show.

On a related note, that day I won first place in the state competition for editorial writing, and got second place in the advertising layout competition. Little did I know that would be my lifetime peak of personal accomplishment.
That was a good show in 86. I saw them at Bronco Bowl that year.

King Crimson
8/15/2006, 03:36 PM
god bless the bronco bowl. RIP. i saw the Cure twice there, Squeeze (a truly great show), th CHurch on the Heyday tour, Siouxsee, couple others.

it's been razed and is now a strip mall now according to my cousin.

BigRedJed
8/15/2006, 06:09 PM
Bronco Bowl. Greatness.

BlondeSoonerGirl
8/15/2006, 06:12 PM
Way to McRae up my Hoobastank thread.

Heh.

BigRedJed
8/15/2006, 06:13 PM
I told you people that putting Nickleback in here would guarantee five pages.

****ing hillbillies.

sooneron
8/15/2006, 08:29 PM
One of those bands was nickelback??

nanimonai
8/15/2006, 09:19 PM
So Morrissey is joining Nickelback? That's kinda wierd.

sooneron
8/15/2006, 09:30 PM
How Soon Is Now is one of the greatest songs of my generation. When Morrisey played here a few months ago, he did it, and, even without Johnny Marr, it rocked my face off. It was eargasmic.


Ahem! My sig, thank you very much!

Grimey
8/16/2006, 04:23 PM
How Soon Is Now is one of the greatest songs of my generation. When Morrisey played here a few months ago, he did it, and, even without Johnny Marr, it rocked my face off. It was eargasmic.

I know. And I love that you can now hear it in all kinds of commercials and movies and junk :rolleyes:

Johnny Marr and Morrissey need to do a fight to the death cage match. That would so rock

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Petro-Sooner
8/16/2006, 04:26 PM
We need a pic with Motley Crue. Not just Mick. THEN this thread would be complete.

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8/16/2006, 04:44 PM
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