which idiot is in the hosptial?

[OUHOMER]

Channel 4 is running a bummer for the 10 pm news spot the either Bomar or Quin is in the hosptial and their parents are mad at Stoops for some reason:confused:

[pgagolfpro77]

an O.D??

[Blues1]

Keep us out of towners posted -- The Drama goes on......

[Octavian]

their parents should be grateful Stoops didn't have them dropped off on the corner of Boyd and Jenkins just to see how far they'd make it.

[OklahomaTuba]

Nice.

If this was something like a self inflicted injury, then this just confirms what mental midgets these little kids are.

[MarsBOW]

How about this: Cody Freeby. I had a dream that he is the one that sprung this whole Bomar deal. He was p*$$*d that he was booted, so he tried to get us back. Now he's stiking while the iron's hot. He's there because of Bob, he says.

I took a nap right after work and this is the vision I had. Maybe I should just go back to sleep.

[crimson&cream]

Word is he's a walk on.

[Soonermagik]

Did one of these guys get beat up????

[LosAngelesSooner]

Jermain Hardison...walk on WR.

[OUHOMER]

who ever it was channel 4 says this ( roughly) One of the players that was kicked off the team last week is in the hospital. And his parents are mad a Bob. I guess i didnt hear of any other player being kicked off the team.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Stoops just doing some Fall Cleaning..nothing to see here ;)

[Widescreen]

Hospital? Pfft. Stoops would say he's just fine.

;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Anyone know why he's in the hospital?

[jbstrick]

He 'fell' in the bathroom.

[Rhino]

...of a casino, which football players are banned from.

In the report, Hardison said he knows they were banned from casinos, but he didn't know that he'd be kicked off the team for it. [insert 'duh' icon here]

[jbstrick]

I agree with the coach. Casinos are trouble looking for a victim. He broke the rules and he will suffer the fate.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

If I fell in a bathroom, I would limp out and be embarrassed and not tell anyone!

[FaninAma]

...of a casino, which football players are banned from.

In the report, Hardison said he knows they were banned from casinos, but he didn't know that he'd be kicked off the team for it. [insert 'duh' icon here]

I don't like where this is going. A caller on KREF last week was name dropping some of the OU players he saw at the casino last week. One of the names would make the Bomar fiasco look like small potatos. Don't shoot the messenger.

[Blue]

I don't like where this is going. A caller on KREF last week was name dropping some of the OU players he saw at the casino last week. One of the names would make the Bomar fiasco look like small potatos. Don't shoot the messenger.

Should we call off Foosball this year?

[FaninAma]

Should we call off Foosball this year?

When I heard this guy spouting off about who he saw in the casino my first thought was "I'm not too sure Bob would be very happy if he knew that."

Now the guy who was calling in may be full of crap but if he's not I'm pretty sure it will come out. With the Bomar decision Bob's kind of painted himself into the corner in regards to how he deals with other trangressors on the team.

[MiccoMacey]

Well, the Bomar incident is a violation of NCAA rules...the asino ban is a team policy.

Bob wouldn't have to kick off anyone for violation of a team policy. He can even treat players differently based on their past behavior. So he could kick off Hardison and retain...whomever you're implying.

[jbstrick]

With the Bomar decision Bob's kind of painted himself into the corner in regards to how he deals with other trangressors on the team.

I really don't see it that way. He set a level of acceptable behavior. That should not change because you are the team 'star' or not.

[HarrisTubbsFan]

There's gotta be something else. I know for damn sure he didn't just fall in a bathroom. But I can maybe buy that he wasn't in the casino to gamble.

[MiccoMacey]

I really don't see it that way. He set a level of acceptable behavior. That should not change because you are the team 'star' or not.


I disagree...kind of.

If Star Player A has been exemplary on and off the field, and this is his first transgession, stadium steps and gassers may be suitable.

But if Star Player B has not been a team player, hasn't been exemplary, and/or has shown himself to be full of himself, then he may/should/will be treated differently.

[FaninAma]

Well, the Bomar incident is a violation of NCAA rules...the asino ban is a team policy.

Bob wouldn't have to kick off anyone for violation of a team policy. He can even treat players differently based on their past behavior. So he could kick off Hardison and retain...whomever you're implying.

True. But it wouldn't look very good and if you think the media was coming down hard on Stoops for the Bomar incident just watch what they do if the think he's treating players with a double standard.

What is it in Stoops history that makes the players think it's no big deal to break the rules and incur Bob's wrath? From what I've seen of Bob I would be toeing the line if I were a player.

I am still hopeful the caller on KREF was full of crap.

[Blue]

There's gotta be something else. I know for damn sure he didn't just fall in a bathroom. But I can maybe buy that he wasn't in the casino to gamble.

Well go get the scoop then, O'Reilly! I just love all these freakin' investigative reporters we've got coming out of the woodworks.:rolleyes:

[olevetonahill]

When I heard this guy spouting off about who he saw in the casino my first thought was "I'm not too sure Bob would be very happy if he knew that."

Now the guy who was calling in may be full of crap but if he's not I'm pretty sure it will come out. With the Bomar decision Bob's kind of painted himself into the corner in regards to how he deals with other trangressors on the team.
Yup ole Bob is in a corner :eek: He set a standard and said GADOCADWI.
I see why your spek is off :D

[jbstrick]

I disagree...kind of.

If Star Player A has been exemplary on and off the field, and this is his first transgession, stadium steps and gassers may be suitable.

But if Star Player B has not been a team player, hasn't been exemplary, and/or has shown himself to be full of himself, then he may/should/will be treated differently.

Good point.

[FaninAma]

Yup ole Bob is in a corner :eek: He set a standard and said GADOCADWI.
I see why your spek is off :D

So my understanding of what you posted is that Stoops should be consistent regardless of the player's status on the team? Then we agree because I think Stoops needs to be consistent after the precedent set with Bomar.

As far as the spek thing be my guest. Neg spek me all you want.

[MiccoMacey]

True. But it wouldn't look very good and if you think the media was coming down hard on Stoops for the Bomar incident just watch what they do if the think he's treating players with a double standard.

What is it in Stoops history that makes the players think it's no big deal to break the rules and incur Bob's wrath? From what I've seen of Bob I would be toeing the line if I were a player.

I am still hopeful the caller on KREF was full of crap.

Fan,

Coaches do it every day. I agree the timing would be horrible (much like AD's dad getting a job at a car dealership on the heels of several bad events with car dealerships...but I digress :)), but some people will make mountains out of molehills regardless of whether there's a story there or not.

And I'm with you....I wouldn't misbehave even one iota if Bob Stoops were my coach. He scares me. And I'm supposedly all growed up. :D

[MiccoMacey]

By the way Steve,what are you doing up this late on a football board? Don't you have lives to save early tomorrow? :D

[FaninAma]

By the way Steve,what are you doing up this late on a football board? Don't you have lives to save early tomorrow? :D

I'm on call. And any day where I don't have to save lives is a good day. Give me a day filled with nothing but calming down nervous parents any time. Oh, setting a few simple fractures and removing some beads or other objects from the nose of a toddler thrown in just to break the monotony would be ok.:)

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I was under the impression that the No Casino was a very recent addition to the rules. One of my friends got Adrian Peterson's autograph at a blackjack table and they say that they saw C.J. Ah You in there....

[MiccoMacey]

Yeah...me to.

It's funny. We (firefighters) always want to go fight a fire. But if there's a fire, someone is having a very bad day. So if we wish for it to happen, we're wishing ill on people. What a conundrum. :)

[Blue]

Well, there's no nobility in my job.

<crickets>

[MiccoMacey]

Which is...?

[pb4ou]

<Crickets>

[MiccoMacey]

Blue is a cricket???

[leavingthezoo]

With the Bomar decision Bob's kind of painted himself into the corner in regards to how he deals with other trangressors on the team.

you say this like it's a bad thing. :rolleyes:

[FaninAma]

:eek:
Yeah...me to.

It's funny. We (firefighters) always want to go fight a fire. But if there's a fire, someone is having a very bad day. So if we wish for it to happen, we're wishing ill on people. What a conundrum. :)

Maybe it could just be a few small grass fires where no one got hurt or no property was damaged. Oh, and my wife could always decide to cook again.:eek:

Gandalf, that sounds like a perfectly feasible explanation. The team rule probably resulted from the earlier sightings. That makes it even more astounding that this player would test Stoops' resolve after he just laid down the rule.

Watch the local media still try to mke an issue out of this. Dumb@$$es.

[Blue]

Which is...?

It was a joke. Hard to follow you guys. :D

Btw, I'm a contractor.

[MiccoMacey]

It was a joke. Hard to follow you guys. :D

Btw, I'm a porn director.

No where to go but up (or is that "butt up"). :D

[Blue]

No where to go but up (or is that "butt up"). :D

Don't you need to go grease a poll or something?;)

[MiccoMacey]

Grease a pole...from a porn director...when will it end?

[MiccoMacey]

See ya'll in the morning...I'm out.

Oh, BTW, we close on our first house tomorrow at ten.

Ciao.

[Crimson Kid]

Mabye these ididots will start getting the message now, break the rules your gone!! no if's and's or butts, you play for ou, you play by stoops and the ncaa rules.

how hard is this to understand!?!?

[olevetonahill]

So my understanding of what you posted is that Stoops should be consistent regardless of the player's status on the team? Then we agree because I think Stoops needs to be consistent after the precedent set with Bomar.

As far as the spek thing be my guest. Neg spek me all you want.
Has he not been ? :confused:

[Frozen Sooner]

Keeping them out of casinos is a good thing. I want those guys as far from a sports book as possible.

USC apparently doesn't have this rule, though. I ran into Matt Leinart at the Flamingo last July.

Well, more like I saw Matt Leinart there from across the lobby.

[Paperclip]

Keeping them out of casinos is a good thing. I want those guys as far from a sports book as possible.

USC apparently doesn't have this rule, though. I ran into Matt Leinart at the Flamingo last July.

Well, more like I saw Matt Leinart there from across the lobby.

You were with Matt Leinart at a place called the Flaming O?

[sooner_born_1960]

We don't have sports books.

[badger]

Mabye these ididots will start getting the message now, break the rules your gone!! no if's and's or butts, you play for ou, you play by stoops and the ncaa rules.

how hard is this to understand!?!?
C'mon Crimson Kid, you KNOW you want to change your avatar to Paul Thompson like I did. You can make a really cool "ENA" one like you have right now, it would be awesome and stuff. I can wait :D
:pop:

[mdklatt]

Blue is a cricket???

You're thinking of JiminyCrimson.

[wishbonesooner]

Now if we could just get everyone else in Oklahoma banned from those $hithole casinos, this state might have a chance.

[msteudem]

Channel 4 is running a bummer for the 10 pm news spot the either Bomar or Quin is in the hosptial and their parents are mad at Stoops for some reason:confused:


I think Dusty D came in for a visit and had a few drinks with Bomar. You can guess what happened next. ;) :eek:

[Skysooner]

See ya'll in the morning...I'm out.

Oh, BTW, we close on our first house tomorrow at ten.

Ciao.
It is 10 am. Wonder if his hand is numb yet from signing all of the papers. :D

[FaninAma]

Now if we could just get everyone else in Oklahoma banned from those $hithole casinos, this state might have a chance.

No, don't listen to this guy. The more you go and gamble(and lose) at the local casinos the more likely it is that I'll stay employed and get more raises.

I do have 3 kids to send to college, you know. :P

[Rock Hard Corn Frog]

You were with Matt Leinart at a place called the Flaming O?

:D

[caphorns]

Clearly you have to have a double standard. Some dolt walk-on that's not going to be getting any real PT should barely even gets 1 strike to work with. He's only about half-way wanted in the first place. A guy like AD has earned the benefit of the doubt and then some. I'd make AD run a few extra laps and then tell him cut the sh!t out or he's going the way of the dumb @ss walk-on.

[Dizzle Shizzle]

What the hell is a bummer?

[JohnnyMack]

Anyone have anything tangible on this or just rumor, speculation and innuendo?

[jk the sooner fan]

i said it in the older thread about the casino, i hate that its that close to the university

its a bad deal.......build a casino, fine......put it as far away from the campus as possible

[Mjcpr]

Anyone have anything tangible on this or just rumor, speculation and innuendo?
There was a brief mention in the Tulsa World today.

Ex-Sooner sounds off about dismissal
By Staff Reports
8/11/2006

View in Print (PDF) Format (http://www.tulsaworld.com/TWPDFs/2006/Final/W_081106_B_4.PDF)


NORMAN -- An Oklahoma walk-on said he felt OU coach Bob Stoops' decision to dismiss him wasn't based on an injury in a report on Oklahoma City's KFOR-TV late Thursday.

OU officials said wide receiver Jermaine Hardison was dismissed for violating team rules. Hardison insinuated the decision was based on his visiting Norman's Riverwind Casino last weekend.

"I was informed (by OU) that we were not to be gambling," Hardison told KFOR, "but I wasn't sure about not being there, period. I didn't use a dollar . . ."

Instead, Hardison said he was there to watch an acquaintance play poker. While there, according to the report, he fell and suffered a head injury requiring hospitalization.

"I wouldn't think that coach Stoops would make a decision based on . . . my injury," Hardison said. "I just wouldn't think that he would be that insensitive."

[JohnnyMack]

Pat.

My lighthouse of reason in the turbulent stormy sea that is the football board.

[jk the sooner fan]

"just fell" in a casino

hmmmmm......

[caphorns]

Jermaine: You're a walkon that suffered a head injury at a casino. STFU.

[Miko]

Anyone have anything tangible on this or just rumor, speculation and innuendo?

I've got lots of guesses, one insinuation and a bit of idle conjecture, if that helps any. :D

[OKC-SLC]

Jermaine: You're a walkon that suffered a head injury at a casino. STFU.
no sh*t.

[1stTimeCaller]

Anyone have anything tangible on this or just rumor, speculation and innuendo?

did you not read NickZepplin's post?;)

[RedstickSooner]

If the kids are old enough to legally be in the casino, it seems a bit much for the team to be able to keep 'em from going.

How, exactly, would playing poker, or blackjack, or roulette negatively impact your ability to play football or study?

I don't gamble, aside from sometimes playing poker with friends, and have never seen a lot of appeal in casinos. The couple of times I've gone in one, I found it mostly depressing (riverboat casinos here in Baton Rouge), as most of the people around me looked like junkies gambling away their welfare or disability checks. I wouldn't mind owning an old-style slot machine, as I think they're kinda neat, but that's about it.

However, if the law says you're old enough to gamble, what business is it of the team to say you can't? This doesn't strike anyone as a peculiar form of mandatory morality?

I'm entirely open to the possibility I'm wrong here - just make some good arguments for why I am, and I'll be happy to listen.

[Frozen Sooner]

If the kids are old enough to legally be in the casino, it seems a bit much for the team to be able to keep 'em from going.

How, exactly, would playing poker, or blackjack, or roulette negatively impact your ability to play football or study?

I don't gamble, aside from sometimes playing poker with friends, and have never seen a lot of appeal in casinos. The couple of times I've gone in one, I found it mostly depressing (riverboat casinos here in Baton Rouge), as most of the people around me looked like junkies gambling away their welfare or disability checks. I wouldn't mind owning an old-style slot machine, as I think they're kinda neat, but that's about it.

However, if the law says you're old enough to gamble, what business is it of the team to say you can't? This doesn't strike anyone as a peculiar form of mandatory morality?

I'm entirely open to the possibility I'm wrong here - just make some good arguments for why I am, and I'll be happy to listen.

Gambling in any form is EXTREMELY frowned upon by the NCAA and is an epidemic on college campuses. Kids are going into heavy debt because of gambling. A college athlete who's in heavy debt is a bad situation for everyone involved.

I don't know if you remember what happened at Northwestern a few years ago, but it was all because of gambling debts. They had players shaving points in order to pay off their markers.

[RedstickSooner]

Right, but casinos aren't going to let players carry markers -- and the gambling the NCAA is concerned about is sports gambling, hence all those "Don't bet on it", or whatever the catchphrase was, commercials the NCAA sponsored telling us that it's bad to bet on college sports.

The epidemic, from what I've heard, is poker (especially online poker) and a continued problem with sports gambling. Both are particularly problematic as you can do them from your dorm room.

The NCAA has not, as far as I know, come out with a campaign aimed at keeping kids from traveling to casinos for table games. Does this new casino have anything other than table games?

Alcohol abuse is a far, far, far more widespread problem among college kids. Does the team forbid 21-year-old players from drinking?

And I do agree that any pressure which might lead to a kid shaving points is a deadly serious threat -- so if there's any reason to believe that bookies or their ilk would be at the casino, that'd be plenty of grounds to bar players from entering. However, if this casino doesn't do sports gambling, then you would expect the casino would be very hostile towards any bookies trying to ply their trade within the casino. After all, such folks would be the competition.

I just thought banning this particular sin a bit strange. Are there any others the team bans -- like porn, or vulgarity?

Please, as I've said, don't think I'm defending or advocating gambling -- I think it's one of the more vile addictions, as its cash basis allows for addicts to blow through their life's savings a lot faster than your average, say, drug addiction. You can only shoot so many dollars of horse before it kills you. Most casinos have high roller tables available with limits high enough to ensure that you can blow through as many dollars as you've got in an evening.

[Frozen Sooner]

Will the casino itself allow the players to carry markers?

Probably not.

Will losing their entire monthly stipend expose them to the wrong sorts of influences and distract them from what's going on on the field? In a strong way. Certainly.

[RedstickSooner]

Will the casino itself allow the players to carry markers?

Probably not.

Will losing their entire monthly stipend expose them to the wrong sorts of influences and distract them from what's going on on the field? In a strong way. Certainly.

I don't know that losing all their stipend will expose them to any bad influences, if it's lost to a casino (as that's then the same as if you lose all your money to any corporation).

So, it'd be real similar to, say, getting a couple of credit cards, running up a balance, and getting in a huge mess that way (which is another scourge of college students). Do we bar players from getting credit cards?

They're adults, and adults make mistakes, learn from 'em - so that's why I'm being devil's advocate here. Why shelter them from this particular mistake?

Answer could be as simple as this: They figure a no-casino rule is one which most people won't balk at too much, as opposed to others (like a no credit-card rule). (And, yes, I obviously realize the credit card comparison is unfair, as credit cards have legitimate, positive uses, while there's really no positive use for gambling, unless you're a chronic "over-earner" :D )

[RedstickSooner]

Also, as an out-of-state person who avoids the South Oval most of the time, this is the first I'd heard of a casino in Norman. Why's it there? What sort of gambling did Oklahoma legalize, and why? Or, is it an Indian casino?

Anyone mind giving me the Cliff's note version of the story?

[Flagstaffsooner]

Also, as an out-of-state person who avoids the South Oval most of the time, this is the first I'd heard of a casino in Norman. Why's it there? What sort of gambling did Oklahoma legalize, and why? Or, is it an Indian casino?

Anyone mind giving me the Cliff's note version of the story?It's called the idiot tax. Oklahoma like many other states allow Indian gambling and take a piece of the action (not unlike the Mafia).
Idiots go in and give them their hard earned dollars. Why the idiots do that is beyond me as I am not an idiot.

[swardboy]

How anyone would need clarification as to what nefarious influences an NCAA Div. I football player would be exposed to in a gambling environment is beyond me....

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

They are on scholorship...Scholorships can make any requirements they want..whether that be 50 hours of community service or 3.8 GPA...They are under a sort of contract

[soonerjoker]

forget it redstick; rules are rules.

[The VIIIth]

Fan,

Coaches do it every day. I agree the timing would be horrible (much like AD's dad getting a job at a car dealership on the heels of several bad events with car dealerships...but I digress :)), but some people will make mountains out of molehills regardless of whether there's a story there or not.

And I'm with you....I wouldn't misbehave even one iota if Bob Stoops were my coach. He scares me. And I'm supposedly all growed up. :D

AD's Dad working at Cooper BMW is not really an issue IMHO. He's a Porter, not in sales. Cooper also provides Stoops with his 7 Series. No issue there either.