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Okla-homey
7/29/2006, 07:26 AM
July 29, 1945 Japanese sink the USS Indianapolis

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61 years ago on this day in 1945, an Imperial Japanese Navy submarine sank the American cruiser USS Indianapolis, killing 883 seamen in the worst single ship loss in the history of the U.S. Navy.

As a prelude to a proposed invasion of the Japanese mainland, scheduled for November 1, U.S. forces bombed the Japanese home islands with both Navyl and Army Air Forces aircraft, as well as blowing Japanese warships out of the water. The end was near for Imperial Japan, but it was determined to go down fighting.

Just before midnight of the 29th, Indianapolis, an American cruiser that was the flagship of the Fifth Fleet, was on its way, unescorted, to Guam, then Okinawa. It never made it. It was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine. That sub was commanded by a Japanese lieutenant who had also participated in the Pearl Harbor attacks.

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There were 1,196 crewmen onboard Indianapolis; over 350 died upon impact of the torpedo or went down with the ship. More than 800 went into the Pacific. Of those, approximately 50 died that first night in the water from injuries suffered in the torpedo explosion; the remaining seamen were left to flounder in the Pacific, fend off sharks, drink sea water (which drove some insane), and wait to be rescued.

Because there was no time for a distress signal before Indianapolis went down, it was 84 hours before help arrived. This was despite the fact that American naval headquarters had intercepted a message on July 30 from the Japanese sub commander responsible for sinking the Indianapolis, describing the type of ship sunk and its location. (The Americans assumed it was an exaggerated boast and didn't bother to follow up.)

Only 318 survived; the rest were eaten by sharks or drowned. The Indianapolis's skipper, Captain Charles McVay, was the only officer ever to be court-martialed for the loss of a ship during wartime in the history of the U.S. Navy. McVay had neglected to order routine anti-submarine procedures during Indy's voyage which well may have prevented her loss to the Japanese submarine.
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Memorial in Indianapolis

Had the attack happened only three days earlier, Indianapolis would have been sunk carrying special cargo - the first atomic bomb, which it delivered to Tinian Island, northeast of Guam, for scientists to assemble.

As an aside, Peter Benchley's fictional character "Quint" told the Indianapolis story aboard his fishing boat as he and his companions sought the man-eating great white shark in "Jaws."

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"Quint"

Years after the loss of Indianapolis, the surviving crewmembers, assisted by the captain of the Japanese sub which sank her, petitioned Congress to exonerate Captain McVay which they did in 2001. They all believed that McVay's failure to "zig-zag" his ship did not contribute to her loss or facilitate the Japanese task of sinking her.

Their view was "someone had to take a fall in the wake of this disaster, and McVay was the most logical target"There is no overturning or set aside of a court-martial conviction under the UCMJ, but Congress's formal resolution went a long way to clear the name of Captain McVay.

The text of letter to Congress from the Japanese sub commander who sank Indianapolis follows:


"November 24, 1999
Attn: The Honorable John W. Warner
Chairman, Senate Armed Services Committee
Russell Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510

I hear that your legislature is considering resolutions which would clear the name of the late Charles Butler McVay III, captain of the USS Indianapolis which was sunk on July 30, 1945, by torpedoes fired from the submarine which was under my command.

I do not understand why Captain McVay was court-martialed. I do not understand why he was convicted on the charge of hazarding his ship by failing to zigzag because I would have been able to launch a successful torpedo attack against his ship whether it had been zigzagging or not.

I have met may of your brave men who survived the sinking of the Indianapolis. I would like to join them in urging that your national legislature clear their captain's name.

Our peoples have forgiven each other for that terrible war and its consequences. Perhaps it is time your peoples forgave Captain McVay for the humiliation of his unjust conviction.

Mochitsura Hashimoto
former captain of I-58
Japanese Navy in WWII
Umenomiya Taisha
30 Fukeno Kawa Machi, Umezu
Ukyo-ku, Kyoto 615-0921, Japan"

USS Indianapolis Survivors Association (http://www.ussindianapolis.org/index.htm)

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OUAndy1807
7/29/2006, 07:37 AM
One of the greatest scenes ever in a movie:

Hooper (Richard Dreyfuss): You were on the Indianapolis?
Brody (Roy Scheider): What happened?
Quint: Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side, chief. It was comin' back, from the island of Tinian Delady, just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in twelve minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. Thirteen footer. You know, you know that when you're in the water, chief? You tell by lookin' from the dorsal to the tail. Well, we didn't know. `Cause our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. Huh huh. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, chief. The sharks come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know it's... kinda like `ol squares in battle like a, you see on a calendar, like the battle of Waterloo. And the idea was, the shark would go for nearest man and then he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the shark would go away. Sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark, he looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a shark, he's got...lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white. And then, ah then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the ocean turns red and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' they all come in and rip you to pieces.
Y'know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men! I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand! I don't know how many men, they averaged six an hour. On Thursday mornin' chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player, bosom's mate. I thought he was asleep, reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up and down in the water, just like a kinda top. Up ended. Well... he'd been bitten in half below the waist. Noon the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us, he swung in low and he saw us. He'd a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper, anyway he saw us and come in low. And three hours later a big fat PBY comes down and start to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened? Waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

bri
7/29/2006, 09:50 AM
The story of how that scene came to be is one of my favorite bits of Jaws trivia.

BOOMERBRADLEY
7/29/2006, 09:56 AM
Show me the way to go home, Im tired and I wanna goto bed, well I had a little drink about an hour ago and it went straight to my head

;)

Okla-homey
7/29/2006, 09:59 AM
One of the greatest scenes ever in a movie:

Quint: ....So, eleven hundred men went in the water, three hundred and sixteen men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

If that was pasted in from the movie dialogue, they were off by a month. Just saying

bri
7/29/2006, 10:08 AM
Well, Robert Shaw WAS drunk when he wrote that monolouge. :D

Okla-homey
7/29/2006, 10:20 AM
Well, Robert Shaw WAS drunk when he wrote that monolouge. :D

What's thirty days among drunks?:D

Okla-homey
7/29/2006, 11:04 AM
And for those of you who think Arizona was worse, I'd say this was worse only in the sense that it occurred at sea and underway under circumstances of open, declared warfare.

Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, Arizona and Oklahoma involved a sucker-punch.

Harry Beanbag
7/29/2006, 11:29 AM
And for those of you who think Arizona was worse, I'd say this was worse only in the sense that it occurred at sea and underway under circumstances of open, declared warfare.

Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, Arizona and Oklahoma involved a sucker-punch.


Arizona was no doubt a sucker punch, but you can't discount the loss of nearly 1200 men because of that.

Okla-homey
7/29/2006, 11:33 AM
Arizona was no doubt a sucker punch, but you can't discount the loss of nearly 1200 men because of that.

I'm with you Harry, but this was different. Indy's loss was arguably avoidable.

Jerk
7/29/2006, 12:01 PM
Peter Benchley also played Gen. Custer in another movie. How'd you like that one, Homie?

Didn't McVay take his own life in 1963, almost 18 years later? I guess he never could shake those demons.