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fadada1
7/28/2006, 02:43 PM
Dennis Miller is a comedian who has a show, " Dennis Miller Live on HBO". He is not Jewish.

He recently said the following about the Mideast situation:

"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need.

Here we go:

The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention

Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians."

As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" anymore to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths, until someone points out they're being taped.

Instead, let's call them what they are...

"Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."

I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters." Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David but if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.

That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course -- that's where the real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel.

Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it -- for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth . . . you know that's really saying something.

It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Midleast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around & spit it out: 500 million Arabs; 5 million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that, if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals..

Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the Numbers. Imagine 500 million Jews and 5 million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it . Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not.

Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense. Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible. Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.

No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

Mr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that, with vital operations in Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible, and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a roomful of super models who've just had their drugs taken away.

However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of losing moral weight. We've already lost some. After September 11th, our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day), start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan."

Please feel free to pass this along to your friends. Walk in peace! Be Happy! Have a wonderful life...

mdklatt
7/28/2006, 02:52 PM
If there used to a Palestine, then wouldn't that make the people that lived there Palestinians? Doesn't sound too made-up to me. :confused:

Carry on.

opksooner
7/28/2006, 03:32 PM
No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.
Yuk yuk

OklahomaTuba
7/28/2006, 03:32 PM
If there used to a Palestine, then wouldn't that make the people that lived there Palestinians? Doesn't sound too made-up to me. :confused:

Carry on.

I believe the word Palestine comes from Philistine.

But it wasn't until the 1960's that the Palestinians were actually defined as a race of muslim people I think.

Mjcpr
7/28/2006, 03:35 PM
But it wasn't until the 1960's that the Palestinians were actually defined as a race of muslim people I think.

Their intent is to wipe out the Christian race.

:D

King Crimson
7/28/2006, 03:38 PM
the Murrah building wasn't bombed by Palestinians or "arabs" or muslims.

fallacious example.

i know at least 5 people who are "palestinians" and 2 of which are christian palestinians....but it's more palatable to ignore complexity (or history).

one could just as well easily argue Israel is the "made up" name. or Iraq (a post WWII hodge-podge). or Iran.....or the former Czechoslovakia etc.

OklahomaTuba
7/28/2006, 03:45 PM
Their intent is to wipe out the Christian race.

:D

I am sure that many of them see us that way. And they aren't all that far off.

OklahomaTuba
7/28/2006, 03:50 PM
the Murrah building wasn't bombed by Palestinians or "arabs" or muslims.
I think you missed his point.



one could just as well easily argue Israel is the "made up" name.
I guess so, if one ignores ancient documents such as the Tanakh, The Talmud, The Bible, etc.

King Crimson
7/28/2006, 03:51 PM
i didn't miss the point. it's a fallacious example from a logical perspective.

i also know who Miller works for.

NormanPride
7/28/2006, 03:53 PM
i didn't miss the point. it's a fallacious example from a logical perspective.

i also know who Miller works for.

How is it a fallacious example? It's just an instance of "terrorism" where a building was blown up. That's all Miller uses it for.

King Crimson
7/28/2006, 04:05 PM
just because someone says something you (the open plural: me, you, everybody) believe in does not make it rational, logical, or beyond question or disputation.

i find the use of the Murrah building to be a distasteful way of making a point that amounts to a "comical/satirical" point that is hardly justified. it also doubles as a way to blur rhetorically a particular political viewpoint that *does not include* the actions of Timothy McVeigh onto a "moral" view of palestinian terrorism.

what it does is capitalize on the emotional pain of OKC and displace it onto a group of people who are not responsible for it.

logically speaking: it also suppresses the set of premises that would need to be constructed in order to make that syllogistic conclusion. rahter, what we get is the "use" of an unrelated event to justify a set of motives that have nothing to do with it.

KaiserSooner
7/28/2006, 04:22 PM
....but it's more palatable to ignore complexity (or history).


Exactly. Saying that Dennis Miller is ignoring the social and historical complexties of the region is being kind.

Anyway, I hope this was posted for its value in humor...Dennis Miller is usually one funny bloke. The thought that people are using a comedian's lines to justify war is rather disturbing, yet telling at the same time.

fadada1
7/28/2006, 04:33 PM
Exactly. Saying that Dennis Miller is ignoring the social and historical complexties of the region is being kind.

Anyway, I hope this was posted for its value in humor...Dennis Miller is usually one funny bloke. The thought that people are using a comedian's lines to justify war is rather disturbing, yet telling at the same time.
yes, i posted it for humor.

right or wrong, good or bad... dennis miller is entitled to his opinion.

King Crimson
7/28/2006, 04:39 PM
right or wrong, good or bad... dennis miller is entitled to his opinion.

absolutely. but as much as one sees on this board about celebs forcing their views on others by using their goofball quasi-aristocratic status in our culture as a bully-pulpit, i'd hate to see a double-standard emerge. ;)

stop paying to see that crap. that's consumer activism. i did a long, LONG time ago.

burn hollywood burn.

Rhino
7/28/2006, 04:41 PM
Dennis Miller didn't write this. Larry Miller (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0588777/) did.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/miller.htm

Hamhock
7/28/2006, 04:48 PM
Dennis Miller didn't write this. Larry Miller (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0588777/) did.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/miller.htm


Why do you hate the Jews?

OU4LIFE
7/28/2006, 05:08 PM
mostly because they don't talk about my recent hole-in-one enough.

Harry Beanbag
7/28/2006, 07:27 PM
Exactly. Saying that Dennis Miller is ignoring the social and historical complexties of the region is being kind.

Anyway, I hope this was posted for its value in humor...Dennis Miller is usually one funny bloke. The thought that people are using a comedian's lines to justify war is rather disturbing, yet telling at the same time.


Speaking of comedians delving into politics, I'm hoping you're not a big Al Franken fan. At least Dennis Miller is sane.

SCOUT
7/28/2006, 09:23 PM
Jon Stewart has been known to comedically tell the news. I have seen snipits of his comedy used on this very board to substantiate points of view.

mildpussy
7/28/2006, 11:59 PM
[QUOTE=King Crimson]the Murrah building wasn't bombed by Palestinians or "arabs" or muslims.

[QUOTE]

and then again, maybe it was?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153966,00.html
http://www.glennbeck.com/okc/
http://www.jaynadavis.com/story090502-wsj1.html

i'll take the response off-line - just saw a couple of black helicopters, and i think they are from those caddo county militia what come to destroy the rodeo arena at panhandle state

Okla-homey
7/29/2006, 07:04 AM
just because someone says something you (the open plural: me, you, everybody) believe in does not make it rational, logical, or beyond question or disputation.

i find the use of the Murrah building to be a distasteful way of making a point that amounts to a "comical/satirical" point that is hardly justified. it also doubles as a way to blur rhetorically a particular political viewpoint that *does not include* the actions of Timothy McVeigh onto a "moral" view of palestinian terrorism.

what it does is capitalize on the emotional pain of OKC and displace it onto a group of people who are not responsible for it.

logically speaking: it also suppresses the set of premises that would need to be constructed in order to make that syllogistic conclusion. rahter, what we get is the "use" of an unrelated event to justify a set of motives that have nothing to do with it.

From my perspective, the guy's citing of OKC was not hyperbole but merely a catagorization of the approximate number of innocent victims Israel routinely loses to acts of terrorism. I don't see anything wrong his doing that.

picasso
7/29/2006, 10:04 AM
Exactly. Saying that Dennis Miller is ignoring the social and historical complexties of the region is being kind.

Anyway, I hope this was posted for its value in humor...Dennis Miller is usually one funny bloke. The thought that people are using a comedian's lines to justify war is rather disturbing, yet telling at the same time.
how is that any worse than constantly posting a newspaper editorial type who has an agenda?

picasso
7/29/2006, 10:06 AM
and Kaiser, if you think Israel has no right in doing what they are at the present moment then I say move over there for a while and get a better prespective.:)