More Crazy Talk from Palestine ;)

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291980474&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


"The Americans want a new Middle East devoid of jihad, resistance, liberation, martyrdom, retaliation and dignity. These are all terms that disturb the Americans."

WOW!! These people are bat **** crazy!!

[Harry Beanbag]

Yep.

[picasso]

all they want is to kill Jews. it ain't about land.

[soonerscuba]

all they want is to kill Jews. it ain't about land.

It's a good thing that the poor Israelis never meant to harm anybody and want to be best friends with Palestine. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that these people aren't bat**** crazy, I just think that the Israelis are too.

[Jerk]

all they want is to kill Jews. it ain't about land.


Exactly. If this was a war over real estate, the arab/muslim world would win hands down. They have alot more sand to play in.

[StoopTroup]

Limbaugh on the way home cracked me up.

He said the safest place to be is by an Israeli Tank.

The reason is...

You don't get 72 Virgins for killing a tank.

[Jerk]

It's a good thing that the poor Israelis never meant to harm anybody and want to be best friends with Palestine. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that these people aren't bat**** crazy, I just think that the Israelis are too.

I'll believe that when I see Jewish suicide bombers.

[picasso]

It's a good thing that the poor Israelis never meant to harm anybody and want to be best friends with Palestine. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that these people aren't bat**** crazy, I just think that the Israelis are too.
well, let's see. Israel gave up some land and still got their asses street bombed. then, they watched their friendly neighbors elect some jew hating terrorist nutjobs and stockpile a few thousand rockets on their border.

yep, I just can't see why they would want to light up the tanks and jets.

[soonerscuba]

I'll believe that when I see Jewish suicide bombers.

Ah, you presume that the way one dies makes a difference. The Jews killed by some nut at a cafe, the Arab killed by the nut behind the wheel of a bulldozer, and the Arab killed by American ordinance fired by Jews all have one thing in common.

[picasso]

Ah, you presume that the way one dies makes a difference. The Jews killed by some nut at a cafe, the Arab killed by the nut behind the wheel of a bulldozer, and the Arab killed by American ordinance fired by Jews all have one thing in common.
see, that's where your logic is jacked. if you can't see a difference in terrorism then you're beyond help.

[picasso]

Scuba, you do realize at least the Jews are using target bombing right now? I mean they could just start wiping out entire cities.

[StoopTroup]

I heard that 37% of the Muslims in the World reside in the US.

[soonerscuba]

see, that's where your logic is jacked. if you can't see a difference in terrorism then you're beyond help.

No, I understand the difference, I just think that the Israelis are far from saintly or justified with their treatment of the Palestinians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm

Yet I am suppose to feel that the Israelis are "fed up" with what is happening to them. Both sides are insane, and Israel only remains our ally until their is nothing in it for them, to hell with that.

[Harry Beanbag]

all they want is to kill Jews. it ain't about land.

Amen.



Here are some exerpts from Hamas' Charter (ie. their sole reason for existence):

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm


I highlighted my favorites in red.

[soonerhubs]

Now I'm sure that the Isrealis have their issues as well, but I'm having a hard time seeing how they aren't justified in this recent offensive.

[Jerk]

I heard that 37% of the Muslims in the World reside in the US.


No way.

Muslim population worldwide is around a billion.

That would make 370,000,000 American muslims.

[Harry Beanbag]

No way.

Muslim population worldwide is around a billion.

That would make 370,000,000 American muslims.


Not yet, but they're working on it...

[Jerk]

Ah, you presume that the way one dies makes a difference. The Jews killed by some nut at a cafe, the Arab killed by the nut behind the wheel of a bulldozer, and the Arab killed by American ordinance fired by Jews all have one thing in common.


Come on, man. Only Kevin Kline gets unwillingly ran over by a slow-moving peice of heavy machinery. Other people, like Racheal Corey, just don't want to get out of the way. Futhermore, we make alot of bullets, shells, missiles, and other sorts of assorted projectiles here in good ol' America. Israeli's are great customers. So good, in fact, we even loan them the money to buy our stuff.

[AlbqSooner]

If Mexico or Canada started slinging missiles into San Antonio or Chicago, would the U.S. be justified in backing them off the border?

Kinda thought so.

[OUinFLA]

If Mexico or Canada started slinging missiles into San Antonio or Chicago, would the U.S. be justified in backing them off the border?

Kinda thought so.

But, would you feel the same about Austin?

[soonerscuba]

So are we just skirting the issue that the Israelis kill far more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis, in lieu of the manner in which they are killed?

For the record, I think that Israel has a legitimate reason to be attacking Lebanon. However, the idea that Israel is this perfect little oasis of freedom and goodwill in the mid-east is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

[OUinFLA]

How about this forcast applying to Hezbeloha territory?

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/z/D/kabul_forecast.jpg

[SCOUT]

So are we just skirting the issue that the Israelis kill far more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis, in lieu of the manner in which they are killed?

For the record, I think that Israel has a legitimate reason to be attacking Lebanon. However, the idea that Israel is this perfect little oasis of freedom and goodwill in the mid-east is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

Honest question... Do your numbers include Israeli's killed in the name of the Palestinian cause?

[OUinFLA]

well, let's see. Israel gave up some land and still got their asses street bombed. then, they watched their friendly neighbors elect some jew hating terrorist nutjobs and stockpile a few thousand rockets on their border.

yep, I just can't see why they would want to light up the tanks and jets.


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/W/E/cointoss.jpg

[soonerscuba]

Honest question... Do your numbers include Israeli's killed in the name of the Palestinian cause?

The numbers are the result of the Palestinian intifada during Sep. 2000 through Sept. 2005. The numbers also come from an Israeli human rights group which might avoid the Arabic tendency to fudge numbers.

[soonerscuba]

There is also a fascinating debate about the perspective that Western media gives in regards to Israeli deaths as opposed to their Palestinian counterparts.

[Harry Beanbag]

The thing that you seem to be missing scuba, or at least disregarding, is that it is the stated goal of these terrorist organizations and leaders of certain countries to kill every Jew and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Israel has no such goal, they would like to be left alone.

[Okla-homey]

No way.

Muslim population worldwide is around a billion.

That would make 370,000,000 American muslims.


Look at the brain on Jerk. That boy can cipher!

[Okla-homey]

The thing that you seem to be missing scuba, or at least disregarding, is that it is the stated goal of these terrorist organizations and leaders of certain countries to kill every Jew and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Israel has no such goal, they would like to be left alone.

Yep. I look at it this way. Israel has nukes yet it hasn't used them. The jihaadis want nukes and wouldn't hesitate to use them. That makes Israel morally superior in my book.

[GottaHavePride]

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
Wait, so Hamas is using the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as their proof of Jewish conspiracy? F***ing retards - don't they know those are a hoax? It was written by a Russian propagandist and mostly plagiarized from a French satirist that was insulting Napoleon III with it.


Recent research by Russian historian Mikhail Lepekhine (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mikhail_Lepekhine&action=edit)Protocols to Matvei Golovinski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matvei_Golovinski), agent provocateur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur) of Okhranka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhranka), as part of a scheme to persuade Tsar Nicholas II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia) that the modernization of Russia was really a Jewish plot to control the world. traced the Lepekhine discovered Golovinski's authorship in Russia's long-closed archives and published his findings in November 1999 in the French newsweekly L'Express (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Express)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-3). Golovinski had been linked to the work before; the German writer Konrad Heiden identified him as an author of the Protocols in 1944.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-Freund2000) Golovinski worked together with Charles Joly (son of Maurice Joly) at Le Figaro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Figaro) in Paris and wrote articles at the direction of Pyotr Rachkovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Rachkovsky), Chief of the Russian secret service. During the Dreyfus affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair) in France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France), when polarization of European attitudes towards the Jews was at a maximum, the publication began private circulation as The Protocols in 1897.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-Bishop1999) After the 1917 revolution, Golovinski became a Bolshevik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik) propagandist.

...

Ironically, the overall theme is not far from a bitterly sarcastic letter entitled The Reply of the Jews of Constantinople (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Reply_of_the_Jews_of_Constanti nople&action=edit), which predates the Protocols by more than four-hundred years. [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-2) However, much of the text in the Protocols appears to be directly plagiarized from an 1864 pamphlet, Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialogue_in_Hell_Between_Machiavelli_and_Monte squieu) (Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavelli) and Montesquieu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Secondat%2C_Baron_de_Montesquieu)), written by the French satirist Maurice Joly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Joly). Joly's work attacks the political ambitions of Napoleon III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_III) using the device of diabolical plotters in Hell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell) as stand-ins for Napoleon's views. Joly himself appears to have borrowed material from a popular novel by Eugène Sue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Sue), The Mysteries of the People, in which the plotters were Jesuits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus). Jews do not appear in either work. Since it was illegal to criticize the monarchy, Joly had the pamphlet printed in Belgium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium), then tried to smuggle it back into France. The police confiscated as many copies as they could, and it was banned. After it was traced to Joly, he was tried on April 25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_25), 1865 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1865), and sentenced to fifteen months in prison.
So basically Hamas is usingthe KGB's 100-year-old anti-Semitic propaganda plagiarized from 150-year-old anti-Napoleonic satire as, surprise surprise, new anti-Semitic propaganda to convince ignorant people to help further their own purposes of exterminating Jews.

[Jerk]

So are we just skirting the issue that the Israelis kill far more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis, in lieu of the manner in which they are killed?

For the record, I think that Israel has a legitimate reason to be attacking Lebanon. However, the idea that Israel is this perfect little oasis of freedom and goodwill in the mid-east is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.


Scuba, seriously....what kill ratio would be fair?

50/50 seems acceptable at first, but the Jews are so few in number compared to their enemies. Let's say there are 100 million arabs surrounding Israel, and there are 6 million Jews. Does that mean it would be fair to have a kill ratio of 33.3 dead arabs for every 2 Jews?

[etouffee]

i think pat buchanan or david duke stole scuba's login.

[Rusher]

So it's okay for US and Israel to have nukes but it's not okay for other countries to have one? Wow, that's a double standard. No wonder the world sees us as the terrorists.

Talk about nukes, what's up with the Bush's crew playing this nice diplomatic thingy with North Korea which obviously has nucklear weapons, while wouldn't think a second to attact Iraq which obviously doesn't have any WMD?

[OklahomaTuba]

So it's okay for US and Israel to have nukes but it's not okay for other countries to have one? Wow, that's a double standard. No wonder the world sees us as the terrorists.

Talk about nukes, what's up with the Bush's crew playing this nice diplomatic thingy with North Korea which obviously has nucklear weapons, while wouldn't think a second to attact Iraq which obviously doesn't have any WMD?

Wow, this can't be real. No one is this stupid, are they?

[1stTimeCaller]

So are we just skirting the issue that the Israelis kill far more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis, in lieu of the manner in which they are killed?

For the record, I think that Israel has a legitimate reason to be attacking Lebanon. However, the idea that Israel is this perfect little oasis of freedom and goodwill in the mid-east is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

I've never been to Command and General Staff College in the Army but it's my understanding that the best way to win a way is to kill more of them than they kill of you.

It is also my understanding that this latest war was started when Hezzbolah or some group kidnapped two IDF folks. Israel said 'Give them back'. The group said 'no'. Israel said 'give them back or we will fock you up.' They said 'No.' Israel began focking stuff up. Can you see where this whole thing could have been avoided?

[1stTimeCaller]

So it's okay for US and Israel to have nukes but it's not okay for other countries to have one? Wow, that's a double standard. No wonder the world sees us as the terrorists.

Talk about nukes, what's up with the Bush's crew playing this nice diplomatic thingy with North Korea which obviously has nucklear weapons, while wouldn't think a second to attact Iraq which obviously doesn't have any WMD?

http://img.thefreedictionary.com/wiki/e/e5/Great_Leader_Comrade_Kim_Jong_Il_(122).jpg

she doesn't work for the Bush Administration. ;)

[OklahomaTuba]

What a sad sad day that was.

[slickdawg]

all they want is to kill Jews. it ain't about land.

Yep. If Israel was left alone by the US and the rest of the world,
the Arabs would make what Hitler did look like childs play.

[OklahomaTuba]

It's a good thing that the poor Israelis never meant to harm anybody and want to be best friends with Palestine. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that these people aren't bat**** crazy, I just think that the Israelis are too.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20060724TyreLebanonTIME01.jpg

Holy smokes, I didn't think even you could be so blind and clueless.

Guess I was wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/2006/inside_hizballah/

[picasso]

So it's okay for US and Israel to have nukes but it's not okay for other countries to have one? Wow, that's a double standard. No wonder the world sees us as the terrorists.

Talk about nukes, what's up with the Bush's crew playing this nice diplomatic thingy with North Korea which obviously has nucklear weapons, while wouldn't think a second to attact Iraq which obviously doesn't have any WMD?
who the hell do you think sold nuke technology to NK?

dumbest post of the day.

[soonerscuba]

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20060724TyreLebanonTIME01.jpg

Holy smokes, I didn't think even you could be so blind and clueless.

Guess I was wrong.

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/2006/inside_hizballah/

You do realize that there is a difference than Palestinians and Hezbollah, right? Way to really add good insight into the discussion, as always.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I am beginning to doubt whether there is much difference between Hezbollah and Palestine...they all have the same goal and to be honest I haven't heard about any peace protesting Palestine groups going to their headquarters

[soonerscuba]

I am beginning to doubt whether there is much difference between Hezbollah and Palestine...they all have the same goal and to be honest I haven't heard about any peace protesting Palestine groups going to their headquarters

Well, there is actually quite a lot of difference between Palestine and Hezbollah, just as there is quite a difference between Hezbollah and a more appropriate comparison of Hamas. These people don't live in a vacuum, just a ****hole. There is give and take of opposing viewpoints on a whole bevy of issues from Israel to social justice.

Sure, none of them are particularly fond of Israel, but even the issue of Israel is not a given between these groups. If anything has really hurt mid-east credibility with the West, it was Arafat.

[JohnnyMack]

Arabs hate the Jews.

Jews hate the Arabs.

More news at 11.

[Hamhock]

Arabs hate the Jews.

Jews hate the Arabs.

More news at 11.

But I'm for love,
I'm for happiness,

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Is there any difference from a Clan member that is out there dancing around in white sheets in front of a cross and a person that is one in secret...no they have the same agenda...you go into any shop in Palestine and ask them if they could live peacefully with the jews...would they choose it, I would say most wouldn't

[picasso]

Arabs hate the Jews.

Jews hate the Arabs.

More news at 11.
Arabs outnumber Jews

Arabs have Jews surrounded

Jews are our allies

Film at eleven

[JohnnyMack]

Arabs outnumber Jews

Arabs have Jews surrounded

Jews are our allies

Film at eleven

Arabs say, "This is my land!"

Jews say, "Nu-uh, this is my land!"

Have argued said point for thousands of years.

We can't change anything.

[Rusher]

That's lame, bro.

Those are the simplest rethorical questions, and yet you can't answer it? Your d***head comment is THE dumbest post of the day.

If you're so politically saffy and almighty superior, then explain:

1) the hypocracy in US and Israel nucklear weapon policy
2) diplomatic approach at N Korea vs. lets go kill them all at Iraq

You don't need to be an expert to see how messed up Bush and Israel administration is, no less than Lebanon itself.

So smart boys, let's hear it. No "evil vs good" and "us vs terrorist" argument is accepted (broken record and highly subjective).





Wow, this can't be real. No one is this stupid, are they?

[soonerscuba]

Arabs outnumber Jews

Arabs have Jews surrounded

Jews are our allies

Film at eleven

Jews are not our ally. Israel is. The thing that irks me is that somehow it has been twisted to suggest that raising questions about the moral authority of people killing others on our dime can be labeled anti-semitic. To add to this guess who else is our "ally"... Saudi, UAE, Jordan, etc. I truly wish it was Arabs v. Israel, it would make life, and policy regarding the region much easier.

[Harry Beanbag]

That's lame, bro.

Those are the simplest rethorical questions, and yet you can't answer it? Your d***head comment is THE dumbest post of the day.

If you're so politically saffy and almighty superior, then explain:

1) the hypocracy in US and Israel nucklear weapon policy
2) diplomatic approach at N Korea vs. lets go kill them all at Iraq

You don't need to be an expert to see how messed up Bush and Israel administration is, no less than Lebanon itself.

So smart boys, let's hear it. No "evil vs good" and "us vs terrorist" argument is accepted (broken record and highly subjective).


I think all countries should have nuclear weapons. If the U.S. is "allowed" to have them, then by Allah so should Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Yemen, Indonesia, etc.. Afterall, that would be the fair way to handle this most important of issues.

:rolleyes:

[Rusher]

Hm interesting, I was thinking about the "other way" around. US and Israel should not have nucklear weapons themselves if they wanna enforce no nuclear policy to the rest of the world.

It's like telling your kids not to drink alcohol. If your daily beverage is Heineken and Budlight, your kid is gonna think you're full of s**t.

[picasso]

Jews are not our ally. Israel is. The thing that irks me is that somehow it has been twisted to suggest that raising questions about the moral authority of people killing others on our dime can be labeled anti-semitic. To add to this guess who else is our "ally"... Saudi, UAE, Jordan, etc. I truly wish it was Arabs v. Israel, it would make life, and policy regarding the region much easier.
yeah that's what I meant. didn't mean to use the term Jew like I was.:O

and Rusher, your argument is the same lame *** old worn out one that I grow tired of.
we have all of those nukes and high powered secret bombers so we don't have to use them! they are threats to those who want to challenge the free world.

wake up Jack.

[Killerbees]

So what to do Rusher? Just uninvent the technology? or allow countries that back terrorists to get nuclear weapons?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I think we should drop all Islamic people and Jews in a steel cage draped over Northern Africa and the Middle East...Give both sides the same amount of weapons and see who comes out alive...just rocket launcher type ****..no nuclear cheating!! My Guess is the Islamic people would use their weapons up day one and then the massacre!!! We could put it on PPV!!

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I can hear it now "The Rumble in the Desert!!" "2 Nations Enter, 1 Leaves" We can get Bob Barry to announce and see him try to pronounce that ****!!

[Killerbees]

"Its a handoff to Ackbar, he makes past the Israeli Defensive Front and it looks like he is going to make it to the bus stop.....Yes he detonates at the...wait...no Ackbar is shot down at the line"

[Scott D]

it won't matter when the whole world is speaking Mandarin anyway ;)

[Killerbees]

might be Cantonese

or Hokkien

[bigdsooner]

:pop:


f**k the terrorist's

[Rusher]

That "free world" IS an old argument. Despite of that famous claim of ours, we're actually very conservative in a lot of areas like religion, gay marriage and sex on media. Western Europe is generally way more open minded and tolerant to a lot of things compared to us. Plus, they don't go around and shove "family values" in your mouth on daily basis.

That research fund on nuclear development can be used for other things USEFUL like say, alternative fuel vehicle? That can speed things up. And no countries should have nuclear weapons, US and Israel included.

Cantonese is hard. I heard that they gotta learn it starting from elementary school to memorize all the characters.

[Octavian]

Given the choice between Israel and the countries which expouse Islamo-fascism (Iran, Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Syria), we should support Israel because they're a contributing member to the organized global society and their economic interests and political values are more closely alligned w/ the post-modern world...

...not because it's a good idea to formulate foreign policy strategy on two-millenia-old religious prophecies that can be interpretted in an infinite number of ways.

If our support for Israel is for the former...cool. They're no saints, but they're better than the alternative. (Here, we're looking at two options and choosing which is best for ourselves...that's logical)

If it's because of the latter...then our rationale really isn't that far away from the Islamo-fascists that we all agree are bat-shiat crazy. (Here, we're looking into a mirror, then fearing and hating what we see...that's scary)

Probably though, it's a mixture of both.

....and least that's how I see it.

[Killerbees]

That "free world" IS an old argument. Despite of that famous claim of ours, we're actually very conservative in a lot of areas like religion, gay marriage and sex on media. Western Europe is generally way more open minded and tolerant to a lot of things compared to us. Plus, they don't go around and shove "family values" in your mouth on daily basis.

I would rather be "oppressed" by our conservative laws and our "family values" and let Western Europe keep their unemployment, socialism, muslim immigration and economy problems.

A plane ticket to several Western European cities can be had for under 1000 bucks (depending on your location) and as this is a "free" country, you can feel free to checkout anytime you like. I am sure that after touring your European Utopia for a bit, you will realize that here we can at least elect the people who make the laws, so if enough people think like you (aka the majority) then you can get laws changed.




That research fund on nuclear development can be used for other things USEFUL like say, alternative fuel vehicle? That can speed things up. And no countries should have nuclear weapons, US and Israel included.

So in the future when confronted with a hostile country who has more advanced weaponry we just try to buy them off with alternative fuel secrets?

[Jerk]

That "free world" IS an old argument. Despite of that famous claim of ours, we're actually very conservative in a lot of areas like religion, gay marriage and sex on media. Western Europe is generally way more open minded and tolerant to a lot of things compared to us. Plus, they don't go around and shove "family values" in your mouth on daily basis.

That research fund on nuclear development can be used for other things USEFUL like say, alternative fuel vehicle? That can speed things up. And no countries should have nuclear weapons, US and Israel included.

Cantonese is hard. I heard that they gotta learn it starting from elementary school to memorize all the characters.

Nevermind. Good Lord. What a lost cause.

I didn't know someone could be so far to the left as to make Hatfield look like a good Republican.

This Rusher person might be that sociology professor I had at UCO. She was a true believer. I'll never forget the day when that old bag raised her fist in the air and yelled "POWER TO THE PEOPLE!"

[Vaevictis]

In theory, it's nice to say that nobody should have nuclear weapons. That's a theory I can agree with.

In reality, somebody's going to have nuclear weapons. And it's better us than them.

[Vaevictis]

Yep. I look at it this way. Israel has nukes yet it hasn't used them. The jihaadis want nukes and wouldn't hesitate to use them. That makes Israel morally superior in my book.

The real question I have about Israel with respect to this comment is whether or not they are refraining from their use because they think it's inappropriate, or because it's just bad policy (ie, using nukes on land so near to you, world opinion, etc).

I'm not so sure it's a moral issue for them, so I don't give them a whole lot of credit on that front. I think they'd whip out the nukes if they thought it would solve their problems.

What makes Israel morally superior, IMHO, is that they don't send suicide bombers on busses, into restaurants, etc, etc, etc. Sometimes civilians die when the Israelis act, but it's usually incidental to the action and not the goal.

[SoonerBorn68]

You do realize that there is a difference than Palestinians and Hezbollah, right? Way to really add good insight into the discussion, as always.

Palestinians danced in the streets and praised Allah after 9/11. I don't give **** what happens to them.

[OklahomaTuba]

In theory, it's nice to say that nobody should have nuclear weapons. That's a theory I can agree with.

In reality, somebody's going to have nuclear weapons. And it's better us than them.

Thats the problem with loons like Rusher, they live in this Liberalfantasyland where the US is no better than a country like North Korea.

Its actually very laughable that someone could "think" this way.

[OklahomaTuba]

You do realize that there is a difference than Palestinians and Hezbollah, right? Way to really add good insight into the discussion, as always.

I see no difference. Go ahead and call me black and white, but there is no difference IMO, except where they get their money to buy rockets and bombs.

http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/45/959/inline/twip_2001_1213_05.jpg

[Tear Down This Wall]

I think it was Anthrax offshoot S.O.D. that wrote the following song:

F*ck The Middle East (1985)

F*ck the middle east
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their f*ckin' crisis
BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won't exist once we're done
LIBYA, IRAN-We'll flush the b*stards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks

[soonerscuba]

I see no difference. Go ahead and call me black and white, but there is no difference IMO, except where they get their money to buy rockets and bombs.

If by "black and white" you mean you make no distinction between a nationality of people and a terrorist/resistance movement (depends on who you ask, as always) then that is a label that I wouldn't personally heap upon myself.

[OklahomaTuba]

If by "black and white" you mean you make no distinction between a nationality of people and a terrorist/resistance movement (depends on who you ask, as always) then that is a label that I wouldn't personally heap upon myself.

You do understand that Hamas is the ruling party of the Palestinian people, don't you?

In case you didn't know, Hamas is a terrorists group. Just a FYI, since you didn't seem to know that little factual nugget of information.

[soonerscuba]

You do understand that Hamas is the ruling party of the Palestinian people, don't you?

Yes. But, that is like saying you hate the British because of the Labor Party.

[JohnnyMack]

**** Israel, **** Palestine, **** Iran, **** Hezbollah, **** Syria, **** them all. They're all an angry bunch of angry violent whackjobs who have hated one religion, clan, sect or another for so long they all deserve to rot in the ****ing desert.

I think this whole mess is proof we're actually the product of an advanced race of space aliens who are using us a big science experiment. Here, let's give these creatures something called oil, and once they have oil and are so dependent upon it let's turn the region in which you get the oil into one of the most angry violent contentious places on their planet. Then let 'em fight about it. They're up in their spaceships laughing at us right now. You people get that? Right?

[OklahomaTuba]

Yes. But, that is like saying you hate the British because of the Labor Party.

Obviously, you don't know much about Hamas or Fatah if you're comparing it to the British labor party.

[1stTimeCaller]

Pakistan, Joobakistan, I don't care. All I know is that he ain't from around here.

[Vaevictis]

Yes. But, that is like saying you hate the British because of the Labor Party.

OTOH, the British didn't elect a government (in a landslide, no less) with a stated goal of destroying our country and a policy of using terrorist attacks to further that goal.

The Palestinians made their bed on this one, and now they have to lie in it. It was inevitable once Hamas was elected. Kidnapping soldiers, terrorist acts, etc are acts of war. And there's no doubt that Hamas (or a Hamas affiliate) was behind the kidnapping of the Israeli soldier.

The Israelis have pretext for what they're doing. If you don't want a war, don't start one (literally). Same goes for Hezbulloh.

[picasso]

That "free world" IS an old argument. Despite of that famous claim of ours, we're actually very conservative in a lot of areas like religion, gay marriage and sex on media. Western Europe is generally way more open minded and tolerant to a lot of things compared to us. Plus, they don't go around and shove "family values" in your mouth on daily basis.

That research fund on nuclear development can be used for other things USEFUL like say, alternative fuel vehicle? That can speed things up. And no countries should have nuclear weapons, US and Israel included.

Cantonese is hard. I heard that they gotta learn it starting from elementary school to memorize all the characters.
oh man, you've gone off the deep end but more power to you and your cause.
if you think there's greener pastures outside the continental U.S. then feel free to explore.:D

[JohnnyMack]

Pakistan, Joobakistan, I don't care. All I know is that he ain't from around here.

Why do you hate Wookies?

[picasso]

what about Slobbobia?

[soonerscuba]

Oi. Its a simile people. On a very basic level. They are both elected, ruling parties of a state governmental system. Some of the differences are that one has bad teeth and lap dog as a leader, the other has a stated goal of destroying a country. Never did I say that the parties have similar platforms, or ideas, or structure, or language, or policy implantation systems... simply that they are both at some level a political entity that has been charged with ruling a country.

[Vaevictis]

Well, by your comment about "hating the British because of the Labor party", I (mis?)understood that you were not holding the Palestinians responsible for electing Hamas.

I don't hate the Palestinians, I just think that in electing Hamas, they ensured that this kind of crap would happen, and now it's time for them to take their lumps. I have absolutely no sympathy.

[Sooners78]

Arguing with people like scuba and rusher isn't even worth your time. As Savage says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

The US and Israel have had nukes for how many years now? Have they ever used one? When the suicide bombers start pulling that crap over here, we'll see if you still feel the same way.

If Hezbollah had nukes, does anyone really believe that they wouldn't use them to wipe out Israel? But, it's a double standard you say. So, to be fair, let's just give some nukes to Hezbollah, and tell Israel to bend over.

If Christian groups in the US started saying, "Kill all muslims and atheists", what would liberals say about that? Yeah, that's what I thought. Talk about a double standard.

[C&CDean]

It's obvious to me that this "Rusher" is a troll. Nobody who can type words is that stupid - unless it's on purpose.

Scuba we already know about. A hopeless case.

JM is just one of those liberals who doesn't know any better - but I still do hold out hope for the boy, especially now that he's with child. His kid deserves to have a daddy with a brain.

Hamas. Hezbollah. Al Quaeda. PLO. All the same.

Israel. Not so much. What completely separates them from Israel is the use of terror. Israelis will kick your *** clean up between your ears if you **** with them. Terrorists will blow up your wife and kids for kicks. If you're too stupid to see the difference, then all I can say is you're really ****ing stupid.

The islamadingdongs have been killing thousands of innocent people in the hope of a "holy war." Eventually, they're gonna get it. It's gonna end up coming down to "are you with us, or agin' us?" Lots of decent muslims (and as time goes on, I'm not sure there are too many of these) are gonna die because of their association with the evil bastards killing innocents in the name of jihad.

**** the terrorists. **** the people who support them.

[Scott D]

If Christian groups in the US started saying, "Kill all muslims and atheists", what would liberals say about that? Yeah, that's what I thought. Talk about a double standard.

so it's ok for individual 'christians' to say it, just not be organized as a mass and say it with any sort of unofficial backing?

[OklahomaTuba]

so it's ok for individual 'christians' to say it, just not be organized as a mass and say it with any sort of unofficial backing?

That would pretty much define the difference between the hated bigoted Christians & the heroic "religion of peace" movement.

[Scott D]

That would pretty much define the difference between the hated bigoted Christians & the heroic "religion of peace" movement.

Eh, I don't care either way....I'm just waiting to find out what dialect of Chinese we're all going to be forced to speak in the future.

[Sooners78]

so it's ok for individual 'christians' to say it,

Where did I say it's OK for christians to say that?

[OklahomaTuba]

Oi. Its a simile people.

Thats the problem, it wasn't a very good one.

Hizbollah and Hamas = pretty much the same thing.

Hamas/Fatah and British Labor Party = Not pretty much the same thing.

[JohnnyMack]

JM is just one of those liberals who doesn't know any better - but I still do hold out hope for the boy, especially now that he's with child. His kid deserves to have a daddy with a brain.

Did you not read my post about space aliens? I reread it and even I have decided I'm pretty much a lost cause.

[Scott D]

Where did I say it's OK for christians to say that?

you don't need to. Plenty of them on this board have said basically the same thing.

[Scott D]

Thats the problem, it wasn't a very good one.

Hizbollah and Hamas = pretty much the same thing.

Hamas/Fatah and British Labor Party = Not pretty much the same thing.

I'll agree with Tuba on this, using the IRA would have been closer to a simile

[OklahomaTuba]

I'll agree with Tuba on this, using the IRA would have been closer to a simile

I agree with that, except even the IRA comparison would have some issues, as the stated goal of the IRA isn't the destruction of England.

[Scott D]

I agree with that, except even the IRA comparison would have some issues, as the stated goal of the IRA isn't the destruction of England.

but it works for a core comparison because 1. they've been destructive in ways of terrorism, and 2. they are a political force in Ireland.

technically you could use the 'occupation' arguement for both, but it has nothing to do with what dialect of Chinese we need to know ;)

[soonerscuba]

IRA would not work because it never was democratically put in charge of Ireland. Perhaps Sinn Fein, but I don't think they ever became the ruling party in Ireland, but I could be mistaken.

And FWIW a simile is a comparison of two seemingly dissimilar things by use of a likeness. So by saying they are nothing alike is to present my simile as valid, you could jump all over me if I suggested it was a metaphor.

[Scott D]

thanks for ruining my point scuba :(

[soonerscuba]

Isn't the stated goal of the IRA to promote drinking, wife-beating, and shooting out babies like so many ping pong balls from Winona Ryder's cooch.

I'll prepare for my negging.

[Scott D]

no, that's ELO

[Mjcpr]

Isn't the stated goal of the IRA to promote drinking, wife-beating, and shooting out babies like so many ping pong balls from Winona Ryder's cooch.

Did I miss a video or something?

:eek:

[OUinFLA]

Winona can shoot ping pong balls?
I'd kinda like to see that.

[WILBURJIM]

Winona can shoot ping pong balls?
I'd kinda like to see that.
That is a simile, I think. Or a bad metaphor.:confused:

[OUinFLA]

That is a simile, I think. Or a bad metaphor.:confused:

Well, either way, it's now a fantasy.

[Octavian]

As Savage says, "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

Well, he says a lot of stupid stuff....


The US and Israel have had nukes for how many years now? Have they ever used one?

I have a friend who's studying abroad in Nagasaki...I'll call him and ask.


If Christian groups in the US started saying, "Kill all muslims and atheists", what would liberals say about that?

Probably just make off-hand jokes about how they're not much different than the radical muslims they hate...

[soonerscuba]

ain't none a you hillbillies see the south park movie?

[Rusher]

Funny. I was expecting more from some of you guys to behave better than simple name calling and flaming. Just because people have a different opinion than you, you just evade the subject and call them "evil liberals." Wow, that's a very mature and class act, buddy. Be careful how you come across while representing your party because you know how people stereotype these days...

Come on, you folks are bunch of intelligent, educated people who owns college degree and great career, not to mention very cultured and open minded to new perspective. I know you guys'd love to live up to your moral family value standards when someone confronts your core values with adequate reasons. ;)

Guys like Vaevictis, Killerbees and Scuba are classy enough during disccussion, even if I don't agree to some of their points.

I don't have any problem with "family values." Everybody got one, I got mine so it's cool. The problem though, is when people trying to preach their religions and values 24/7 (especially during state elections) and force you to follow their rules of conformity which, in my opinion, contradicts to what the "country of freedom" is all about. Religion and state should never mix together, they don't make a good couple.

BTW, regarding US using nuclear weapon, guess who nuked Nagasaki and Hiroshima in 1945?

That's all for now. Cheers,

[SoonerBorn68]

don't have any problem with "family values." Everybody got one, I got mine so it's cool. The problem though, is when people trying to preach their religions and values 24/7 (especially during state elections) and force you to follow their rules of conformity which, in my opinion, contradicts to what the "country of freedom" is all about. Religion and state should never mix together, they don't make a good couple.

Heh, now that's funny since that's exactly what the islamo-fockturds are all about.

Jihad anyone?