View Full Version : Tulsa V. Oklahoma City
CORNholio
7/14/2006, 01:41 PM
The OKC rocks T-town in every single catagory known to man. Its really not a fair fight IMHO. Tulsa ****es me off first of all because they claim to be part of the midwest and they begin every stupid commercial and news broadcast with "green country" this and "green country" that. Thats right Tulsa I'm calling you out. Amen.
CORNholio
7/14/2006, 01:46 PM
Ohhh yeah. I can't forget about the heavy support of Okie Jr. and that inbred U. one state east.
CORNholio
7/14/2006, 01:47 PM
Bring it.
BrockLanders
7/14/2006, 01:59 PM
What does IMHO mean?
BlondeSoonerGirl
7/14/2006, 02:03 PM
This thread is n00balicious.
MiccoMacey
7/14/2006, 02:06 PM
This thread is n00balicious.
Quiet, you. You're part of the OKC clan. :D
OklahomaTuba
7/14/2006, 02:08 PM
Hills & trees, hills & trees.
The biggest hill in OKC is the landfill off of I-40. :)
JohnnyMack
7/14/2006, 02:08 PM
Hills.
Out.
Snrfn4ever08
7/14/2006, 02:08 PM
What does IMHO mean?
in my honest opinion or in my humble opinion. take your pick
p.s. this thread sucks:les:
BlondeSoonerGirl
7/14/2006, 02:09 PM
Quiet, you. You're part of the OKC clan. :D
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/images/icons/bsgtongue.gif
Boomer.....
7/14/2006, 02:22 PM
Tulsa is far superior, and why is this in the football thread?
LosAngelesSooner
7/14/2006, 02:24 PM
Tulsa rocks OKC in all areas except junk yards and trailer parks.
latersooner
7/14/2006, 02:35 PM
OKC does not "rock" in any way, or "catagory" IMHO, and BTW, I grew up there. Tulsa has a real newspaper! That alone makes it a far better place.
Living in the sticks like I do I enjoy both places, I just live closer to Tulsa, and my dad's from there, so I know it a little better.
TULSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
Tulsa definitely loses businesses quicker than OKC.
You'll also more likely to be murdered in Tulsa.
So, they win, I guess.
JohnnyMack
7/14/2006, 02:57 PM
Polo Grill.
KoKoa.
Table Ten.
The French Hen.
Stonehorse Cafe.
The Palace Cafe.
The Garlic Rose.
Monte's.
Mahogany.
Must I continue with the restaurant pwnage?
MiccoMacey
7/14/2006, 02:59 PM
Living in the sticks like I do I enjoy both places, I just live closer to Tulsa, and my dad's from there, so I know it a little better.
Those people who have post counts larger than more than half of the towns in Oklahoma do not get a vote. :D
1stTimeCaller
7/14/2006, 03:03 PM
The Tulsa Fire Department is muy better than the OKCFD. Not even close.
SoonerInKCMO
7/14/2006, 03:06 PM
This is like two OSU sorority chicks arguing about who is classier.
DFW beats 'em both... and there's PLENTY of Sooner representation in the great DFW metro area.
Where I grew up, OKC was definitely closer. Frankly, I always considered Tulsa yankee country. It was WAAAAY up there and the only time we went was when we were going to Eureka Springs or Branson (that should make it obvious I went on vacations with the grandparents).
This is like two OSU sorority chicks arguing about who is classier.
Finally!
Those people who have post counts larger than more than half of the towns in Oklahoma do not get a vote. :D
Just think if I hadn't lost 50,000 posts or so in all the board's transitions!
Tulsa definitely loses businesses quicker than OKC.
You'll also more likely to be murdered in Tulsa.
So, they win, I guess.
Well, in that case the answer would be Muskogee.
How's that BOk Center working out for 'ya?
OklahomaTuba
7/14/2006, 03:47 PM
How's that BOk Center working out for 'ya?
About as well as that big *** Indian statue.
About as well as that big *** Indian statue.
At least the Indian is in place and paid for...
At least the Indian is in place and paid for...
It is? It is?
The arena is under construction and will be paid for as well.....just more than was expected. The construction overages will be paid for by surpluses in the Vision 2025 collections as well as private contributions like that of the Kaiser Foundation that should be announced next week.
BajaOklahoma
7/14/2006, 03:59 PM
Closer to Norman. OKC wins.
Well, you guys enjoy those NBADL games then.
Well, you guys enjoy those NBADL games then.
We only have them for one more year then they're moving back.
Oh wait, you meant....
;)
OklahomaTuba
7/14/2006, 04:02 PM
At least the Indian is in place and paid for...
I havn't heard any news on that thing in a few years to tell you the truth.
OklahomaTuba
7/14/2006, 04:03 PM
We only have them for one more year then they're moving back.
Oh wait, you meant....
;)
I don't think we was talking about the AFL.
Oh wait...
jackietreehorn
7/14/2006, 04:29 PM
p.s. this thread sucks:les:
agreed!!
SoonerJLB
7/14/2006, 08:27 PM
Tulsa by far is the better City IMHO..
douxpaysan
7/14/2006, 08:54 PM
Closer to Norman. OKC wins.
Stillwater is closer to Norman and so is this guy. http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/MIKE-GUNDY2005.JPG
XingTheRubicon
7/14/2006, 09:34 PM
nm
NobleSooner
7/14/2006, 10:43 PM
I've never understood this arguement until I read about the history of the two cities.
OKC- Land run town. Oil fields right in town
Tulsa- Town developed by oil men who wanted a barrier between them (the Arkansas River) and the oil field (Glen Pool).
Tulsa's mentality that it is better than OKC has been extrapolated from it being better than the oil field trash across the river.
Add to the fact that early political events dictated that the Oklahoma territory outcompeted indian territory and OKC ended up the capitol city only added fuel to the fire.
OklahomaTuba
7/15/2006, 01:38 AM
I think Tulsa's snobbery is easy to explain.
Tulsa was the first big oil town in the country. Most major energy companies have their roots here or nearby, so there was a huge concentration of wealth in this town for a while (until the late 70s early 80s).
About 90% of that oil wealth is gone now, however Tulsa still has a large number of corporate HQs and white collar jobs, althought the last few years have really taken its toll (30,000 lost jobs. Most really good jobs).
OKC on the otherhand has always been mostly public sector/manufacturing driven with the state capital, universities, Tinker, GM, etc.
Tulsa needs a lot of work to compete again IMO. Its rotting at the core I think.
BajaOklahoma
7/15/2006, 01:48 AM
Stillwater is closer to Norman and so is this guy. http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/MIKE-GUNDY2005.JPG
Depends on where you are in OKC. OKC is soooo much bigger, area-wise, than Tulsa.
And being closer to Norman > further from Stillwater. By far. No question.
Flagstaffsooner
7/15/2006, 04:22 AM
Hills & trees, hills & trees.
Pit-ti-ful.
http://www.actorbuddyebsen.info/images/jedcl1f.jpg
JohnnyMack
7/15/2006, 09:03 AM
nm
Heh.
:D
JohnnyMack
7/15/2006, 09:10 AM
I've never understood this arguement until I read about the history of the two cities.
OKC- Land run town. Oil fields right in town
Tulsa- Town developed by oil men who wanted a barrier between them (the Arkansas River) and the oil field (Glen Pool).
Tulsa's mentality that it is better than OKC has been extrapolated from it being better than the oil field trash across the river.
Add to the fact that early political events dictated that the Oklahoma territory outcompeted indian territory and OKC ended up the capitol city only added fuel to the fire.
Tulsa wasn't settled by "oil men" it was settled by Creek indians in the late 1820s. The fact that there is a river between Tulsa and the Glenn pool was not some stroke of genius, it's just where the oil happened to be. The Creek indians stopped on the east bank of the Arkansas river and settled a village that would become Tulsa. Oil was discovered southwest of Tulsa (on the other side of the river) first in 1901 and then the Glenn pool was discovered in 1905. It was not a calculated effort. Kinda like your post.
sendbaht
7/15/2006, 09:22 AM
The one thing I like about OKC is it is closer to Norman, beside that I can not think of one good reason...I'll take Tulsa any day.:)
SoonerJedi
7/15/2006, 09:26 AM
Tulsa's liberal, OKC is conservative.
Flagstaffsooner
7/15/2006, 09:27 AM
tulsa smells like houston.
JohnnyMack
7/15/2006, 09:32 AM
tulsa smells like houston.
I hope it gets to 91 in Flagstaff today.
Rooster
7/15/2006, 09:52 AM
The legend goes that tornado's don’t strike on a bend of the river. That is why the Indians settled in Tulsa on the bend of the river....as far as I know there have been no tornado's on riverside close to downtown...
So technically, Tulsa is better...It’s also closer to Ohio where Stoops is from and closer to Arkansas where Barry Switzer is from and further from Austin.…I rest my case…
Hook 'em
Flagstaffsooner
7/15/2006, 09:58 AM
I hope it gets to 91 in Flagstaff today.:D
and 12% humidity, unlike tulsa's 98%.;)
TheUnnamedSooner
7/15/2006, 10:09 AM
Guys, this is embarrassing, they are laughing at us on other boards as we speak.
Guys, this is embarrassing, they are laughing at us on other boards as we speak.
Dude, this is the "Turner Turnpike ****ing match" thread. The "rival board jihad" thread is a couple of pages back.
FaninAma
7/15/2006, 12:39 PM
This is like two OSU sorority chicks arguing about who is classier.
Yeah, spoken like a true resident of Crackerville, USA.:texan:
SoonerInKCMO
7/15/2006, 01:18 PM
Tulsa's liberal, OKC is conservative.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 01:46 PM
Tulsa is a dump and their Paper is a liberal rag. That said OKC's paper isn't all that great.
As for resturants and night life Tulsa isn't even worth a comparison to OKC. Tulsa is closer to Wichatitie than OKC. Tulsa's downtown is like Bricktown, like twenty years ago.
Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 01:52 PM
http://www.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles11723.jpg
Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 01:53 PM
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Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 01:54 PM
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Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 01:55 PM
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Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 01:56 PM
http://www.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles9713.jpg
Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 01:57 PM
http://www.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles13674.jpg
Rooster
7/15/2006, 02:58 PM
http://www.strangevehicles.com/images/content/102246.jpg
okc, a big flat tire....
green country
http://www.rdsco.com/nutsup/okscene.jpg
Big Red Ron
7/15/2006, 03:04 PM
Look OKC has plenty of trees and stuff but last time I checked a city isn't measured by it's lush forrestation...quite the opposite.
OKC is almost twice as big as Tulsa in population. Heck in 2000 OKC(not including the metro area) had 550,000 people and Tulsa had 350,000.
Take your green stuff and smoke it. I'm a city boy.
Duke o Brewery
7/15/2006, 03:41 PM
The City/Metro > T-town.
BajaOklahoma
7/15/2006, 09:24 PM
As my former friend reminded me in his SO thread, Tulsa is the original home of Bikerfox.
Every town > Tulsa
:)
Danny Goble (our state's best historian) told me that North of I40 and East of I35 was predominantly settled by Presbyterian Republicans. Everything else was by Southern Baptist Democrats. His research of voting registration and election returns by county bore this out, and were consistent all the way until the mid-90s. I thought that was interesting.
Having grown up in Sapulpa, I admit that Tulsa is more aesthetically pleasing than OKC. Having lived in Norman for 8 years, I gotta say that OKC pwns Tulsa.
douxpaysan
7/16/2006, 11:15 AM
Turnpike rivalry takes evil turn.http://www.north-ok.edu/dmi/multimedia/showcase/05_summer/maya/images/Tulsa%20in%20Ruin1.jpg
Look OKC has plenty of trees and stuff but last time I checked a city isn't measured by it's lush forrestation...quite the opposite.
OKC is almost twice as big as Tulsa in population. Heck in 2000 OKC(not including the metro area) had 550,000 people and Tulsa had 350,000.
Take your green stuff and smoke it. I'm a city boy.
I guess that settles it....Mumbai (Bombay), India is the winner. Population: 11,914,398
Flagstaffsooner
7/16/2006, 11:38 AM
I guess that settles it....Mumbai (Bombay), India is the winner. Population: 11,914,398I bet it smells like Tulsa.
Hahahahahahhhaahah.
Probably.
Big Red Ron
7/16/2006, 03:47 PM
I guess that settles it....Mumbai (Bombay), India is the winner. Population: 11,914,398Sure Pat Mumbai is bigger than both. Geez, no wonder you have such a high post count.:D
Sure Pat Mumbai is bigger than both. Geez, no wonder you have such a high post count.:D
Which, according to your criteria, means I'm better than you so STFU.
:D
Big Red Ron
7/16/2006, 03:54 PM
Which, according to your criteria, means I'm bette than you so STFU.
:DNo, no, I said take registration date turn that into number of days since registration, then divide that number by Spek then divide by number of posts...or something like that.:D
JohnnyMack
7/16/2006, 03:57 PM
We went to KoKoa for dessert last night. Until OKC gets something remotely close to that place, it needs to stfu.
Big Red Ron
7/16/2006, 04:05 PM
KoKoa? WTF??? Dessert??? I'm a Scotch man myself, desserts make my quesey. I'll take a Maker's Cigar Bar or Nickz or Mickey Mantle's over some fruity dessert place any day.
Tusla smells wierd too.
:D
goingoneight
7/16/2006, 04:33 PM
OKC is cleaner, has a better economy, has more attractions, closer to Norman, and I don't have to see different shades of orange flooding the streets in OKC. Tulsa has a major hard-on for OSU, too... That kinda makes me choose OKC as my personal fav.
frickin' idiot
7/16/2006, 04:46 PM
I'll take it out here in the OC any day over OKC or Tulsa.
Big Red Ron
7/16/2006, 05:01 PM
I'll take it out here in the OC any day over OKC or Tulsa.I'm from Newport Beach originally. Great weather, okay people and cold *** ocean.
OUTromBoNado
7/17/2006, 03:08 AM
http://f5.putfile.com/5/13600571953.jpg
JohnnyMack
7/17/2006, 09:21 AM
KoKoa? WTF??? Dessert??? I'm a Scotch man myself, desserts make my quesey. I'll take a Maker's Cigar Bar or Nickz or Mickey Mantle's over some fruity dessert place any day.
Tusla smells wierd too.
:D
That's fine seeing as where The Polo Grill and Mahogany both pwn Nickz and Mickey Scrantle's.
soonerjoker
7/17/2006, 09:29 AM
i like tulsa best; but must concede that i'm not all that familiar with okc.
Restaurants don't mean crap if you can't find them. I went to a concert at the Brady last fall, foolishly assuming that I would be able to find something to eat nearby afterwards- cause this is downtown in The Best Major Metropolitan Area in the state, right? Maybe I drove the wrong way, 'cause we wound up at some damn Applebee's off the highway, and let me tell you, Tulsa Applebee's are every bit as craptacular as OKC Applebee's
JohnnyMack
7/17/2006, 09:53 AM
Restaurants don't mean crap if you can't find them. I went to a concert at the Brady last fall, foolishly assuming that I would be able to find something to eat nearby afterwards- cause this is downtown in The Best Major Metropolitan Area in the state, right? Maybe I drove the wrong way, 'cause we wound up at some damn Applebee's off the highway, and let me tell you, Tulsa Applebee's are every bit as craptacular as OKC Applebee's
Sorry to hear that. There's some really neat restaurants right near the Brady like Kaz's and Tsunami. A mile or so up the road is Cherry Street and a few miles past that is Brookside. Both have plenty of cool places. I'm not really helping, am I? :O
Big Red Ron
7/17/2006, 09:57 AM
That's fine seeing as where The Polo Grill and Mahogany both pwn Nickz and Mickey Scrantle's.Yeah cuz we don't have Mahogany's or anything.:rolleyes: The Metro, The Mantle, Juniors, and Cafe Nova rival anything in Tulsa and that's just thinking off the top of my head.
JohnnyMack
7/17/2006, 10:02 AM
Yeah cuz we don't have Mahogany's or anything.:rolleyes:
We had it first. :P
I'd take a restaurant war with OKC any day.
Big Red Ron
7/17/2006, 10:08 AM
Gotta Cheeseburger in Paradise? Place rocks.
Sorry to hear that. There's some really neat restaurants right near the Brady like Kaz's and Tsunami. A mile or so up the road is Cherry Street and a few miles past that is Brookside. Both have plenty of cool places. I'm not really helping, am I? :O
Yeah, I should have consulted my SO peeps before hand. :twinkies:
When I get home I'll post pics of the sweet ice cream tru-...uh... Geo? I saw when I was up there.
MiccoMacey
7/17/2006, 11:25 AM
Are you including Midwest City in the OKC area? Cause if you are, there's a BBQ place off Sunnylane, I blieve that's the shiznit.
Guy by the name of Tim Moon owns it, and he's pretty much just open for lunches.
But it's bomb-diggity.
Pricetag
7/17/2006, 12:40 PM
http://www.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles9713.jpg
Jeez, even their log rides don't have hills.
Big Red Ron
7/17/2006, 12:43 PM
:D
The only log ride in OKC is at Frontier City and it certainly has hills.
Hills and cities generally don't go together.
Pricetag
7/17/2006, 12:44 PM
:D
The only log ride in OKC is at Frontier City and it certainly has hills.
Hills and cities generally don't go together.
No, I'd know that water anywhere. That's a log ride.
Big Red Ron
7/17/2006, 12:47 PM
heh, you know it's the Bricktown canal. They added dye to it to keep drunken idiots from diving in and swimming in it.
kbsooner
7/17/2006, 01:05 PM
I moved from Tulsa back to OKC about a year and a half ago. The reason Tulsans so strongly believe in the quality of restaurants is due to the fact that is about the only thing going entertainment wise, other than Oktoberfest which kicks arse, and the quality concerts they have at the Cain's Ballroom... I do wish they could relocate Cain's to Bricktown. Hopefully the Bok Center will liven things up there a little, there are only so many "fests" you can handle. Other than golf, I found myself bored on most weekends. Tulsa is definitely more aesthetically pleasing no doubt, but if that were truly the quality everyone was concerned about here, they probably would not be living in this state...
Sooner_Havok
7/17/2006, 03:38 PM
Danny Goble (our state's best historian)... .
And the University's most unorganized proffesor!
Maybe it's just because a guy threatened to shoot me and my friends after a concert right in front of one of Tulsa's finest (who heard this guy saying he was going to shoot us and did nothing!), but I hate Tulsa. The whole city smells bad and looks dirty. IMHO Tulsa is like the bad part of OKC just made bigger.
Landthief 1972
7/17/2006, 04:25 PM
Number one reason Tulsa sucks:
Ridiculous street designations like East 33rd Street North. WTF?
Oh, and the fact that it's a big liberal OSU-loving commune.
KC//CRIMSON
7/17/2006, 04:57 PM
http://www.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles9713.jpg
Damn. How much antifreeze did it take to fill that thing?:D
StoopTroup
7/17/2006, 05:24 PM
Damn. How much antifreeze did it take to fill that thing?:D
WINNER!
When I get home I'll post pics of the sweet ice cream tru-...uh... Geo? I saw when I was up there.
As promised:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2355/geosidecv2.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5558/georearuo6.jpg
So, where's the "Better Ice Cream Truck" smack, Tulsans?;)
goingoneight
7/17/2006, 09:12 PM
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That "Sooner" thing needs to be crimson and cream... What are we, friggin Ducks???
CobraKai
7/18/2006, 09:00 AM
This is like a bunch of @#$% arguing that the OU Defense is better than the OU Offense, and choosing to make their point by badmouthing and running down the other side. I've lived 10+ years in both places, and they both have great attributes, and more importantly both are vitally important to the state of Oklahoma. Alot of great Sooners came from Tulsa. I hate to think what OU basketball would have been without Wayman. Alot of great Sooners come from OKC every year. So stop the hating. As a very wise man once said (Rodney King), "Can't we just all get along?"
For my part, I was just kidding.
And when Tulsa finally gets the BOK center built, we might let you have a couple of Sonics pre-season games. ;)
CobraKai
7/18/2006, 03:07 PM
And if Tulsa finally gets the BOK center built, we might let you have a couple of Sonics pre-season games.
Fixed it for you. ;)
Readyfor8
7/18/2006, 03:11 PM
Quality Female to Male ratio is far better in both Norman and Tulsa than it is in Oklahoma City. And when you look like me, you gotta play the percentages.
PrideTrombone
7/18/2006, 03:11 PM
Cities that have two NBA teams:
Los Angeles
New York ('cause the Nets might as well be there)
Oklahoma City
;)
TexanSooner420
7/18/2006, 04:15 PM
why is this even an argument, both towns are small and boring when compared to real cities like Houston or Dallas. i mean come on, there is more to do just off one street in Houston (Westheimer) than there is to do in both tulsa and OKC combined. The only reason I say OKC is better is due to its proximity to the only cool city in Oklahoma, Norman.
PS, by no means does this mean I do not love the sooner state, It's just funny to see people fighting over this, its like fighting over whos better, the royals or the devil rays
1stTimeCaller
7/18/2006, 04:23 PM
:rolleyes:
sir, you lost all credibility when you mentioned Dallas. That town blows.
PrideTrombone
7/18/2006, 04:45 PM
why is this even an argument, both towns are small and boring when compared to real cities like Houston or Dallas. i mean come on, there is more to do just off one street in Houston (Westheimer) than there is to do in both tulsa and OKC combined. The only reason I say OKC is better is due to its proximity to the only cool city in Oklahoma, Norman.
PS, by no means does this mean I do not love the sooner state, It's just funny to see people fighting over this, its like fighting over whos better, the royals or the devil rays
DEVIL RAYS!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!111!!1! :D
The Royals so pwn the D-Rays
Big Red Ron
7/18/2006, 08:28 PM
Quality Female to Male ratio is far better in both Norman and Tulsa than it is in Oklahoma City. And when you look like me, you gotta play the percentages.Eh, wrong.:rolleyes:
Tear Down This Wall
7/19/2006, 10:28 AM
I've lived in both...and then moved back to the suburbs north of Dallas. My opinion. The people in Tulsa clearly think Tulsa is better, although they have nothing to back up their belief.
Given the choice between the two, I'd live in OKC again before Tulsa. There's just too much suck in Tulsa. The paper sucks. The roads suck. The faux Dallas nightlife sucks. The politicians on both sides of the aisle in Tulsa suck. Nothing ever gets done. All the oil companies have left it. Their minor league facilities are worse than many high school facilities. The attitude of the Tulsans sucks. Tulsa is just nothing more than suck.
OKC is far from perfect, but it's a ton better than Tulsa. At least OKC has tried and, in most cases, succeeded in trying to build up its city. The Ford Center, the Memorial, the Bricktown...all good. The only thing I'd suggest is to get more shopping in the Bricktown district. My mom's group of church ladies went to some church lady thingy at the Ford Center, but didn't really find the shopping in the area all that great in between times. They were pleased with the dining, locale of the hotels to the Ford Center, etc. But, there are far too few places to shop...so they meandered down to Penn Square.
KC//CRIMSON
7/19/2006, 01:04 PM
Ha Ha Ha.....:D
Pro team would lead transformation of city
By DAVE SITTLER World Sports Writer
7/19/2006
Remember when it was a hoot for Tulsans to poke fun of our neighbors in Oklahoma City? Well, we can officially turn out the lights on that long-running party.
The city we loved to jokingly call "the world's biggest truck stop" continues to write one of this country's biggest success stories.
Instead of a punch line, Oklahoma City has become a powerbroker. The latest and most significant example of this inspiring transformation came Tuesday when an Oklahoma City-based group purchased the NBA and WNBA franchises in Seattle for a cool $350 million.
In other words, Oklahoma City is going to become a permanent player in the world of professional sports. Major-league professional sports.
Clay Bennett, who heads the Professional Basketball Club LLC, said all the right things at a press conference to announce the sale. Bennett said his group intends to keep the NBA's SuperSonics and WNBA's Storm in the Pacific Northwest's largest city.
Oh, did I mention the press conference was held in Seattle?
Bennett obviously wasn't about to waltz into town and meet the local press to announce he'll move the city's 39-year-old NBA franchise to Oklahoma City just as soon as he figures out a way to get the Sonics out of a lease
that runs until 2010.
It's difficult at this point to predict the future of the Sonics. What is absolutely clear, however, is that Tuesday's sale guarantees Oklahoma City will have an NBA franchise for the foreseeable future.
Bennett and his group bought a whole lot of leverage for Oklahoma City with that $350 million.
Until yesterday, Oklahoma City's movers and shakers have been forced to play footsy with New Orleans Hornets owner George Shinn. Not anymore.
The Hornets played 36 of their home games at the Ford Center in Oklahoma City last season after Hurricane Katrina ripped through New Orleans. The move proved to be a smash hit when half of the games were sold out and the average attendance of 18,717 was the 11th-highest in the NBA.
The New Orleans franchise is committed to playing 35 games at the Ford Center next season. But NBA commissioner David Stern has insisted the Hornets will return to New Orleans the following season, no matter how successful they are in Oklahoma City.
Shinn, however, has talked out of both sides of his mouth about the Hornets' long-term future. One of the goofiest owners in all of sports, Shinn has praised both cities and said no final decision will be made until next December or January.
That large gulp you heard coming out of the Big Easy late Tuesday afternoon was from Shinn. Gone is the hole card he didn't think he'd have to reveal for at least six months.
The majority of NBA fans in Oklahoma would undoubtedly like to see the Hornets remain in the state. The club has made several intriguing off-season roster moves and has one of the league's most exciting players in guard Chris Paul, the NBA's rookie of the year.
Perhaps Bennett has a plan that eventually could include some type of franchise maneuvering. Maybe his group could trade ownership of the Sonics for the rights to the Hornets.
Bennett said Tuesday he hoped to solve the problems that forced The Basketball Club of Seattle to sell the Sonics and Storm. That ownership group grew frustrated when the city failed to approve the $220 million needed to improve KeyArena, the home of the Sonics and Storm.
The now-previous owners, led by Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, said they lost $60 million in the five years they owned the teams. Stern also said the revenue-sharing lease Schultz's group had with the city was the worst in the NBA.
"It is not our intention to move or relocate the teams," Bennett said.
Of course it isn't. Not now. Not with the Hornets already in Oklahoma City for the 2006-07 season.
But let's get real, OK? When Bennett and his wealthy friends formed Professional Basketball Club LLC last year, they said their primary goal was to bring a major-league franchise to Oklahoma City.
When the 2007-08 season tips off -- or shortly thereafter -- that ambitious plan will become a reality. Whether it's the Sonics or the Hornets, some NBA team call Oklahoma City its permanent home.
Meanwhile, we sophisticated Tulsans can look down our smug noses and remind our Oklahoma City brethren that our cosmopolitan little corner of the world was once called "America's Most Beautiful City," by a national publication.
Of course that was around 1982. But who's counting?
Hilarious - http://mb22.scout.com/fouinsiderfrm36.showMessage?topicID=6286.topic
and http://mb22.scout.com/fouinsiderfrm36.showMessage?topicID=6307.topic
SoonerGirl1201
7/19/2006, 03:13 PM
I've lived in Edmond most of my life and traveled through Tulsa to visit my grandparents in Seneca, MO. Tulsa does have the better natural landscape, but OKC has more than made up for what it lacks naturally with better developments, entertainment, restaurants and sports. I'm not one to cause inner-state rivalry because I'm a Okie at heart through and through, but because of the population alone OKC is going to benefit on the latest and greatest before Tulsa like in sports (Big 12 championships, college play-offs, Hornets/Sonics, etc), Corporation/Jobs (Devon,Cheasapeake,Dell, etc) and heck even the Cheesecake Factory is coming here first (and will be shortly arriving in Norman as well). Which brings me to Norman (which is basically a part of OKC anyway)- the greatest college town around.
The way I see it, this Tulsa 'is better than OKC' attitude is similar to OSU's. If they tell themselves they are better than OU, maybe some of them will believe it, and just maybe others who don't know any better will as well.
I mean the cities are like 90 miles apart. How different can they really be? Therefore I'll take population and the benefits that come from a thriving and bigger (as in more than double) population any day. Now if we were in SoCal I'd probably take San Diego over LA because it is still just as cosmopolitan AND has the more reasonable population. OKC and Tulsa aren't in that league but you get my point: 550,000 < 1.2 million
OKC is the sports capitol, business capitol, and all around growth capitol of Oklahoma right now. Don't worry though all you Tulsans, you still have that golf course to brag about.
The Walk-on
7/19/2006, 04:18 PM
At least you folks in OKC don't have to mow your river anymore. It looks a little better now that you paved it...kind of like our Mingo creek.
Big Red Ron
7/19/2006, 05:02 PM
At least you folks in OKC don't have to mow your river anymore. It looks a little better now that you paved it...kind of like our Mingo creek.Actually, it's damn work but hey at least ours doesn't serve as Arkansas' sewage dump.
SoonerGirl1201
7/19/2006, 05:14 PM
Actually our dammed river now serves as one of the best spots for speed boat racing in the nation. Another sports plus for OKC.
http://www.bricktownnationals.com/
Oh, and rowing...
http://www.chesapeakeboathouse.org/
Who'd a thunk it!
mdklatt
7/19/2006, 05:45 PM
By DAVE SITTLER World Sports Writer
7/19/2006
Remember when it was a hoot for Tulsans to poke fun of our neighbors in Oklahoma City? Well, we can officially turn out the lights on that long-running party.
Poke fun of? What crazy-*** dialect of English do they speak in Tulsa?
Soonerus
7/19/2006, 06:22 PM
Sittler's article says it all...but let's be honest both cities are nice cities, for different reasons, let's not split hairs on this...
You can sure tell by this post that this is not football season!!! And, this is iimportant because?
Readyfor8
7/19/2006, 07:52 PM
You can sure tell by this post that this is not football season!!! And, this is iimportant because?
Because I have more than 250 posts and I say so?
mdklatt
7/19/2006, 07:54 PM
And, this is iimportant because?
Ask the Tulsa lovers. They always start this crap. If you're really the best it should go without saying. :texan:
CobraKai
7/20/2006, 08:56 AM
Ask the Tulsa lovers. They always start this crap.
Except in the case of this thread. ;)
mdklatt
7/20/2006, 09:12 AM
Except in the case of this thread. ;)
Oh, I'm sure the thread was prompted by a Tulsa lover somehow.
I came to OU from Texas with zero knowledge of the OKC/Tulsa debate, and zero interest, quite frankly. I wasn't on campus 48 hours before I started hearing (from Tulsans, of course) what a **** hole OKC was and how much nicer Tulsa was, trees and hills blah blah blah. I have never heard anybody from OKC lay into Tulsa except as a response to a Tulsa lover. It's just like Dallas and Houston. Despite being larger, Houston has an inferiority complex because Dallas has a more prominent national image. You'll never hear people in Dallas trash-talking Houston--or saying much about it at all, for that matter. But for the two years I lived in Houston it was always "Dallas sucks blah blah blah".
Hey Tulsa (and Houston), quit being so aggy.
As I've said before, I live in Tulsa and I've never heard anyone badmouth OKC except on the message boards and for me at least, that's all in fun.
I wish OKC well just as I wish Tulsa well because what's good for the two major cities is likely going to be good for the state.
Grimey
7/20/2006, 09:49 AM
Are you including Midwest City in the OKC area? Cause if you are, there's a BBQ place off Sunnylane, I blieve that's the shiznit.
Guy by the name of Tim Moon owns it, and he's pretty much just open for lunches.
But it's bomb-diggity.
Yeah, but Tulsa has Elmer's.
It be Bad
:hot:
CobraKai
7/20/2006, 10:46 AM
As I've said before, I live in Tulsa and I've never heard anyone badmouth OKC except on the message boards and for me at least, that's all in fun.
I wish OKC well just as I wish Tulsa well because what's good for the two major cities is likely going to be good for the state.
I'm the same way...I've lived >10 years in both areas. The first time I heard of the OKC-Tulsa debate was my freshman year at OU when a few buddies from PC dogged me about how much better OKC was than Tulsa. They were definitely joking around. It became one of those "OKC is better because you can abbreviate its name...oh ya, well Tulsa is better because the name spelled backwards is A SL-T" type arguments, so clearly it was in jest, but if you think Tulsa people sit around talking about how great they are and how much OKC stinks...in many years as a resident in both cities I NEVER saw that, either way. And, this thread was clearly started by an OKC person. Just go to post #1.
Personally I hope both cities thrive. Certainly Tulsa had a fantastic run from the 20s-80s. In the early part of the century there were more millionaires in Tulsa than any other city in the world. Tulsa's landscape and art-deco architecture are prettier, IMO. And certainly OKC is making a great run now. OKC has always had a more steady, stable economy. Having Tinker/State Govt/OU employee base will (IMO) always make OKC a much more stable economy. Landing an NBA franchise will hopefully push OKC over the top and keep it on the "major city" map permanently. It is great for the image of the state, just as Tulsa's meteoric rise in the early 20th century was great for the state.
Just remember, at the end of the day all of us are Oklahomans. We should stop fighting and focus on the real enemy, Oklahoma State. Oh wait, actually that counters my whole argument. Nevermind, make that Texas. ;)
Big Red Ron
7/20/2006, 03:23 PM
Well hey, now that Tulsa is getting the WNBA they are on their way out of their dark times. ;) [BOK exec.] build it and they will come
'course they have their big brother to the south and west to thank but whatever...
;)
CobraKai
7/20/2006, 04:06 PM
Are they really talking about placing the Seattle WNBA team in Tulsa? I just assumed they would put both in OKC.
Big Red Ron
7/20/2006, 04:19 PM
Are they really talking about placing the Seattle WNBA team in Tulsa? I just assumed they would put both in OKC.In the Daily Oklahoman yesterday there was speculation that when the Sonics move to OKC that Tulsa's new BOK arena would likely get the WNBA team.
Big Red Ron
7/20/2006, 04:21 PM
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73535
OUTromBoNado
7/21/2006, 12:11 AM
Tulsa has QuikTrip.
QuikTrip > 7-Elelven > Love's > any other "cool" convenience storm chain in existence.
Therefore, Tulsa > OKC
Readyfor8
7/21/2006, 02:32 AM
OKC isn't going to be put on the map by the NBA team as a "great city," they are already calling us the "Green Bay of Basketball" on ESPN which translates to a little city with a fanatical fan base.
OUTromBoNado
7/21/2006, 02:37 AM
AND....we all know how credible and unbiased ESPN is.
And how much they hate Oklahoma.
And how much we hate them.
boomersooner28
7/21/2006, 06:02 AM
TULSA!!!!
BYAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!
CobraKai
7/21/2006, 09:55 AM
OKC isn't going to be put on the map by the NBA team as a "great city," they are already calling us the "Green Bay of Basketball" on ESPN which translates to a little city with a fanatical fan base.
You are right on re: the national perception. The bugger is that the OKC metro area is actually one of the top 50 largest metro areas in the nation, with over 1 million people. It is quite annoying that people (cough Charles Barkley cough) still portray it as a cowtown. You could fit 3 Green Bays in OKC. I think (meaning I've not researched so I'm sure teh Googlers are about to call me out) OKC is roughly the same size as Austin, Cinci, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Portland, Sacramento, and several other communities that support pro teams. By roughly I mean that OKC is in the 1.3 million range, and I think most of those are in the same general ballpark...could be wrong.
Big Red Ron
7/21/2006, 11:33 AM
I think the WNBA will put Tulsa back on the map!
;)
BigRedJed
7/21/2006, 05:30 PM
For Oklahoma to truly reach the next level as a state, both cities have to thrive. As big of an OKC supporter/promoter as I am, I can agree the Tulsa is (generally) easier on the eyes. I love great architecture, and Tulsa has some of the best this side of Chicago. But OKC gets less credit than it deserves. There are some truly nice, even green and tree-filled areas of the metro. OKC has made huge strides in its appearance in the past decade, and will continue to do so.
The main difference in the cities right now, IMO, is the unfortunate political climate in Tulsa. For about the last 15 years, OKC's leaders have worked mostly in unison to create one of the most dramatic urban revitalizations in the U.S. Tulsa, on the other hand, is crippled by political infighting and parasitic suburbs, bent on bettering themselves even at the expense of T-town. You don't see that out of Edmond or Norman.
The political cooperation and exceptional vision in OKC has created a better quality of life, a red-hot economy, lots of civic pride, and lots of jealousy out of Tulsans, something we're not very accustomed to in OKC.
Hopefully, Tulsa can get things moving in the right direction soon. The stronger both cities are, the stronger the state is.
Big Red Ron
7/21/2006, 07:21 PM
For Oklahoma to truly reach the next level as a state, both cities have to thrive. As big of an OKC supporter/promoter as I am, I can agree the Tulsa is (generally) easier on the eyes. I love great architecture, and Tulsa has some of the best this side of Chicago. But OKC gets less credit than it deserves. There are some truly nice, even green and tree-filled areas of the metro. OKC has made huge strides in its appearance in the past decade, and will continue to do so.
The main difference in the cities right now, IMO, is the unfortunate political climate in Tulsa. For about the last 15 years, OKC's leaders have worked mostly in unison to create one of the most dramatic urban revitalizations in the U.S. Tulsa, on the other hand, is crippled by political infighting and parasitic suburbs, bent on bettering themselves even at the expense of T-town. You don't see that out of Edmond or Norman.
The political cooperation and exceptional vision in OKC has created a better quality of life, a red-hot economy, lots of civic pride, and lots of jealousy out of Tulsans, something we're not very accustomed to in OKC.
Hopefully, Tulsa can get things moving in the right direction soon. The stronger both cities are, the stronger the state is.You are too kind! Let 'em burn. heh just kidding. I agree 100% but the election Kathey Taylor was another poor choice. They should have gone ahead and drafted Nagin.
Sooner_Havok
7/21/2006, 07:30 PM
You are right on re: the national perception. The bugger is that the OKC metro area is actually one of the top 50 largest metro areas in the nation, with over 1 million people. It is quite annoying that people (cough Charles Barkley cough) still portray it as a cowtown. You could fit 3 Green Bays in OKC. I think (meaning I've not researched so I'm sure teh Googlers are about to call me out) OKC is roughly the same size as Austin, Cinci, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Portland, Sacramento, and several other communities that support pro teams. By roughly I mean that OKC is in the 1.3 million range, and I think most of those are in the same general ballpark...could be wrong.
Within the city limits Oklahoma City has a population of 531,324 ranking it at 31 in that nation. Tulsa sits at 382,457 and a national rank of 46. As far as size goes we (OKC) are in between Portland and Tucson.
link (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108676.html)
I can't find the rank for the OKC metro area, but it has a population of 1,120,299.
link (http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research8392_sup)
Big Red Ron
7/21/2006, 09:31 PM
I can't find the rank for the OKC metro area, but it has a population of 1,120,299.
link (http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research8392_sup)Whic h is pretty much what everyone thinks of as OKC. There is nothing that seperates Edmond, Moore and Midwest City from the edges of OKC anymore and there are several cities within OKC that only get counted with the Metro like, Nichols Hills, Warr Acres, Bethany and the Village.
I can't find the rank for the OKC metro area, but it has a population of 1,120,299.
link (http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research8392_sup)So, San Diego is 8th at 1.2 mill. Might even be top ten counting the entire Metro.
BajaOklahoma
7/21/2006, 10:02 PM
Dallas and its suburbs are exactly the same. You have to get a legal description to know where you really are.
Some of the suburbs have changed the colors of their street signs to make it easier on regular people.
mdklatt
7/21/2006, 10:57 PM
Might even be top ten counting the entire Metro.
You think Oklahoma City is one of the Top 10 largest metropolitan areas in the country??
hurricane'bone
7/21/2006, 11:13 PM
Here's a list of the MSA's in the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_areas)
Big Red Ron
7/21/2006, 11:14 PM
You think Oklahoma City is one of the Top 10 largest metropolitan areas in the country??Dood, I'm using his source and I didn't say that exactly. OKC is odd because of it's structure (largest area wise in the country I believe) but it has pockets of different cities within it's boarders that many other cities don't have that don't get counted with out using the "Metro" moniker. Also, that was counting those areas w/out the neighboring towns compaired to say, San Diego (where I used to live). Believe me, I was born in Venice and lived in Miami, LA. I'm not saying OKC is one of the biggest cities but it isn't ranked as high as it should be because of some wierd structural things.
Big Red Ron
7/21/2006, 11:20 PM
Here's a list of the MSA's in the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_areas)I guess, I'm not arguin metros per say, just how OKC's inner structure allows for cities with their own Mayors and City halls within its boarders, like little islands that don't count towards the 555,000 number floated arounf because they aren't technically IN OKC. Like Nichols Hills, The Village, Bethany, Warr Acres...All of these towns are completely surrounded by OKC. Can you Imagine NYC with a mator and City Council, etc... for the five burroughs?
hurricane'bone
7/22/2006, 12:54 AM
I guess, I'm not arguin metros per say, just how OKC's inner structure allows for cities with their own Mayors and City halls within its boarders, like little islands that don't count towards the 555,000 number floated arounf because they aren't technically IN OKC. Like Nichols Hills, The Village, Bethany, Warr Acres...All of these towns are completely surrounded by OKC. Can you Imagine NYC with a mator and City Council, etc... for the five burroughs?
Right...and all those towns are counted in the MSA.
Big Red Ron
7/22/2006, 11:03 AM
Right...and all those towns are counted in the MSA.You missed my point but whatever.
CORNholio
7/24/2006, 12:39 AM
bump
winnard
7/24/2006, 09:46 PM
The OKC rocks T-town in every single catagory known to man. Its really not a fair fight IMHO. Tulsa ****es me off first of all because they claim to be part of the midwest and they begin every stupid commercial and news broadcast with "green country" this and "green country" that. Thats right Tulsa I'm calling you out. Amen.
I've lived in OKC forever, but Tulsa is one huge skateboard park. I love it.
winnard
goingoneight
7/24/2006, 10:37 PM
I've lived in OKC forever, but Tulsa is one huge skateboard park. I love it.
winnard
Precisely the problem, too many speedbumps...
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