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ouflak
7/12/2006, 08:33 AM
... perhaps. House votes for ban. Going to the Senate. (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13820520/) I think this is pretty revolting. It just doesn't seem the government's place to place a moral stamp on my behavior. This kind of thing happens here in England, but I figure, "Hey, that's why we broke off and became independent". Seems the American Revolution wasn't enough for some people to get the point.

I don't know if this would affect vBookie much. But I hope this inspires the administrators of this forum to defiantly get vBookie working again, proud and active as ever! Tell the Man, "Screw you! We'll have our own patch of of online betting FREEDOM, here on SoonerFans".
Scott D
7/12/2006, 03:28 PM
I've already outlawed Congress.
TinCup5150
7/16/2006, 02:39 AM
They should go vote themselves another hefty pay raise and leave the gamblers alone.
Penguin
7/17/2006, 11:39 AM
How in the world could they possibly enforce it?
NormanPride
7/17/2006, 01:46 PM
Would that affect something like this where there's no actual money changing hands? Because if it does, I want one free kick to the nuts on all of them.

We should have a protest with signs: "Save vBookie!"
BoomerJack
7/17/2006, 03:53 PM
Like the article said, critics say it's merely an election year ploy to get votes from more "socially conservative" voters and their interest groups. It's felt it won't get to a vote in the U.S. Senate which is taking up other matters.
ouflak
7/18/2006, 09:03 AM
How in the world could they possibly enforce it?

http://news.com.com/BETonSPORTS+faces+U.S.+charges/2100-1026_3-6095251.html


Shares in online gaming company BetOnSports were suspended on Tuesday after its chief executive was detained in the United States and the FBI ordered four telephone companies to cut off its operations.

BetOnSports said it had been unable to contact Chief Executive David Carruthers, who is being held in Fort Worth, Texas, but had seen a U.S. indictment "alleging various criminal acts against multiple defendants."

The detention of Carruthers is a blow to the $12 billion-a-year Internet gambling industry. He had spearheaded a campaign against a Republican-written bill to crack down on online gambling.

BetOnSports said it was urgently trying to clarify the situation and assess the impact of a temporary restraining order on its business in the United States, its biggest market.

I'm guessing they would try crap like this for a start. But eventually, they are going to have to go after individuals.
Snrfn4ever08
7/24/2006, 09:28 PM
i'm sure you've all heard this, but if con is the opposite of pro, then congress must be the opposite of progress. they should be worrying about catching people like bin laden but instead their busy smashing people's personal freedoms
bomber64manat
7/26/2006, 03:22 PM
dang straight bro!!!!!!!

ha!!!!!! congress
nanimonai
7/29/2006, 03:15 AM
http://news.com.com/BETonSPORTS+faces+U.S.+charges/2100-1026_3-6095251.html



I'm guessing they would try crap like this for a start. But eventually, they are going to have to go after individuals.

There's no possible way they can go after individuals becuase there's no way to prove you gambled online.
Law: "You gambled online!"
Me: "No I didn't"
Case over.
Matter of fact there is no way to even accuse a person of doing that To show someone gambled online would require the records from the company that is loacted offshore and out of US jurisdiction.

The only thing they can do is try to limit financial transactions to and from gambling sites but that can't work either becuase all gambling sites use 3rd party financial institutions that are not soley gambling-related and most of those are offshore as well.
Basically this just amounts to more regulations for the banking industry which is why it's going to fail in the senate.
CORNholio
7/30/2006, 01:58 PM
This sounds like another one of those "wolf in sheeps clothing" sherades the govt has perfected so well. They play up to the nations sense of morality (not that there is anything wrong with gambling) to get what they want (more money). They are taking a stance against it publicly on a moral ground when really what they are concerned about is the amount of untaxed revenue people can get away with. If you have to go to a casino to gamble then you must report your winnings and let uncle sam shake you down at the end of the year.
william_brasky
8/5/2006, 01:45 PM
If they do this, I'm moving to Mexico with my laptop.
StoopTroup
8/5/2006, 02:15 PM
The online folks who are off-shore are thieves IMO.

I quit using them for gambling.

If I want to gamble...there's a Casino within 5 minutes of me.

At least my money gets lost inside the US Borders.

I wish I could get my Company to put my paychecks and 401ks in an off-shore account so I could avoid taxes.
nanimonai
8/5/2006, 10:41 PM
The online folks who are off-shore are thieves IMO.

I quit using them for gambling.

If I want to gamble...there's a Casino within 5 minutes of me.

At least my money gets lost inside the US Borders.

I wish I could get my Company to put my paychecks and 401ks in an off-shore account so I could avoid taxes.

Well if they would legalize and regulate online gaming in the U.S. you would keep that 12 billion per year in our economy.
It obvious that people want to play poker or bet sports online and the only reason they play offshore is becuase it's their only option.
Scott D
8/5/2006, 11:29 PM
suppossedly they are going after online poker, and online poker players soon.
nanimonai
8/6/2006, 11:26 PM
suppossedly they are going after online poker, and online poker players soon.

No, the bill is geared towards banks and credit card companies that do business with online gambling sites. There's no possible way to enforce any laws geared towards individuals.

The odds of this passing through the senate are pretty slim anyways.
4everasooner
8/9/2006, 02:04 PM
good I'll save money
nanimonai
8/9/2006, 08:07 PM
good I'll save money

Thank goodness you have the government to save you from yourself. :rolleyes:
roostercogburn
8/29/2006, 01:48 PM
I've already outlawed Congress.
Very good idea!
Gandalf_The_Grey
8/29/2006, 01:55 PM
In all honesty, if no one voted in an election, do you think the republicans and democrats would get the message that they are the most inept morons in America?
ouflak
8/29/2006, 02:19 PM
In all honesty, if everyone voted for independents, do you think the demopublicans would get the message that they are the most inept morons in America?

It's daydream I have often.
Gandalf_The_Grey
8/29/2006, 02:21 PM
The problem being most independents are just as bat **** crazy as the Demopublicans. I say people nominate people...I say Dean represents Oklahoma
Scott D
9/12/2006, 11:05 AM
senate is voting today on outlawing online poker.
ouflak
9/12/2006, 01:27 PM
Hey Scott, you have a link to that? I can't find any info on such a vote.
Gandalf_The_Grey
9/12/2006, 01:35 PM
Thank God we got that illegal immigrant problem worked out so we could take care of these secondary problems!!
Scott D
9/12/2006, 03:04 PM
my mistake, there was a huge 'protest' being put on by a poker special interests group today to contact senators about it.
jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
9/12/2006, 04:11 PM
:mad:
yermom
9/12/2006, 04:23 PM
http://pokerplayersalliance.org/


Phone March on Capitol Hill September 12th
Call your Senators on this important Date

The Poker Players Alliance urges you to take action and tell Lawmakers to keep their hands off of Poker. This phone march is a vital step in ensuring that Senators understand that poker players stand united in opposition to legislation that would take away your ability to play poker, a skill game, on-line.Phone March on Capitol Hill September 12th
Call your Senators on this important Date

The Poker Players Alliance urges you to take action and tell Lawmakers to keep their hands off of Poker. This phone march is a vital step in ensuring that Senators understand that poker players stand united in opposition to legislation that would take away your ability to play poker, a skill game, on-line.
Taxman71
9/12/2006, 04:58 PM
I think the big casinos in Vegas and Atlantic City are probably throwing big $$ to Washington to get online gaming outlawed. Why go there to the big casinos when you can buy a bottle of crown and play all night at home.....ala Dennis Rodman?
yermom
9/12/2006, 05:04 PM
well, them and now the Injuns
12
9/12/2006, 06:21 PM
Wish I could post a poll... How many of you have made hillbilly-money off of gambling through the Internet? How many consider gambling online to be nothing but entertainment?

While I agree outlawing it would be more regulation gone to waste, I do tend to wonder how many tax dollars are being spent funding the folks that can afford it like they afford a boob job, back-tat and maybe sunfower seeds and a YooHoo.
Frozen Sooner
9/12/2006, 08:15 PM
... perhaps. House votes for ban. Going to the Senate. (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13820520/) I think this is pretty revolting. It just doesn't seem the government's place to place a moral stamp on my behavior. This kind of thing happens here in England, but I figure, "Hey, that's why we broke off and became independent". Seems the American Revolution wasn't enough for some people to get the point.

I don't know if this would affect vBookie much. But I hope this inspires the administrators of this forum to defiantly get vBookie working again, proud and active as ever! Tell the Man, "Screw you! We'll have our own patch of of online betting FREEDOM, here on SoonerFans".

Don't you know we're at war?
nanimonai
9/12/2006, 10:21 PM
While I agree outlawing it would be more regulation gone to waste, I do tend to wonder how many tax dollars are being spent funding the folks that can afford it like they afford a boob job, back-tat and maybe sunfower seeds and a YooHoo.

Compared to legal land-based casinos in the U.S.? Ever waited in line behind people blowing their paychecks on lottery tickets?

I'd probably argue that most who play online can afford to and don't play beyond their means. That's particularily true for sports betting. Almost no online books will take action on credit so it's impossible to lose more than you put in unlike with your local bookie.
It's not easy to get money in and out of sportsbooks and poker rooms online. Most degenerates want the money right now, not a check in mail in 2 weeks so they're a lot more likely to be seen at the Lucky Star Casino at 3:00 in morning than at Partypoker.
yermom
9/13/2006, 12:31 AM
it's not hard to use a credit card to get money into online poker sites, and it's not that much of a hassle to get the money out, it only takes a couple of days electronically

i don't know why they don't just regulate and tax it

one tihng i can see as a problem is that it could be a very easy way to get money out of the country, especially with the options for transferring money to other players
Scott D
9/13/2006, 07:57 AM
I think the big casinos in Vegas and Atlantic City are probably throwing big $$ to Washington to get online gaming outlawed. Why go there to the big casinos when you can buy a bottle of crown and play all night at home.....ala Dennis Rodman?

ironically, the site that Dennis pimps *is* a big casino's site. I think it's more of a religious right pandering move by congress in an election year to stump for votes. Then again, that thought shows how little I think of how our highest levels of government function in the manner they were intended.
GrapevineSooner
9/13/2006, 09:32 AM
I think it's more of a religious right pandering move by congress in an election year to stump for votes.

Bingo.

I consider myself a Christian.

I do not consider myself a member of the Religious Right. And this is one of the reasons why.
nanimonai
9/13/2006, 03:50 PM
one tihng i can see as a problem is that it could be a very easy way to get money out of the country, especially with the options for transferring money to other players

That may be true but the amounts of money involved are not large enough to be used for drug trafficking or terrorism.
Also, getting money out of the country isn't what we are concerned about....it's certain groups getting money into the country.
yermom
9/13/2006, 04:10 PM
well, i guess either way is kinda concerning

as it is, with no funny business, there is lots of money leaving the US economy via this route (13 Billion a year)
ouflak
9/14/2006, 04:45 AM
Well there's a whole lot of money going out of the country via meany different means. Just look at the trade deficit. I don't think that is a major to the U.S. economy. And not all of that money is leaving the country. It just might take a bit of a circuituous route through an online gambling firm and back into American bank accounts. Would it make that big of a difference if this money was being spent on other vices?