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Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 06:21 AM
July 5, 1921 The "Black Sox" are accused of throwing the World Series

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1919 Chicago White Sox

85 years ago today, after Judge Hugo Friend denies a motion to quash the indictments against the major league baseball players accused of throwing the 1919 World Series, a trial begins with jury selection. The Chicago White Sox players, including stars Shoeless Joe Jackson, Buck Weaver, and Eddie Cicotte, subsequently became known as the "Black Sox" after the scandal was revealed.

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Shoeless Joe Jackson...probably accepted some money, but he had the best batting average of anyone in the series from either team

The White Sox, who were heavily favored at the start of the World Series, had been seriously underpaid and mistreated by owner Charles Comiskey. The conspiracy to fix the games was most likely initiated by New York gambler Arnold Rothstein, who used player's discontent to his advantage.

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Arnold Rothstein...the guy who "fixed" the 1919 World Series

Through intermediaries, Rothstein offered relatively small sums of money for the players to lose some of the games intentionally. The scandal came to light when the gambler did not pay the players as promised, thinking that they had no recourse. But when the players openly complained, the story became public and authorities were forced to prosecute them.

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Buck Weaver...he didn't accept a dime

The trial against the players was actually just for show. Not so surprisingly, after a tacit agreement whereby the players assented not to denigrate major league baseball or Comiskey in return for an acquittal, the signed confessions from some of the players mysteriously disappeared from police custody.

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Charles Comiskey

The jury acquitted all of the accused players and then celebrated with them at a nearby restaurant. But the height of the hypocrisy surrounding the entire matter came when Shoeless Joe was forced to sue Comiskey for unpaid salary. During this trial, Comiskey's lawyers suddenly produced the confessions that had disappeared during the criminal trial, with no explanation as to how they had been obtained.

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Eddie Cicotte

Arnold Rothstein never even faced trial, and Comiskey hoped to go back to business as usual. However, all did not end well for everyone. Other baseball owners, hoping to remove any hint that the games were illegitimate, hired Judge Kennisaw Mountain Landis to be the new commissioner of baseball. Landis was a hard-liner (and also a virulent racist-he prevented blacks from playing in the major leagues during his reign into the 1940s) who then permanently barred the implicated Black Sox players from baseball.

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Commissioner Kennesaw Mountain Landis


Commissioner Landis' statement: "Regardless of the verdict of juries, no player who throws a ballgame, no player that undertakes or promises to throw a ballgame, no player that sits in conference with a bunch of crooked players and gamblers where the ways and means of throwing a game are discussed and does not promptly tell his club about it, will ever play professional baseball."

Landis' decision has come under considerable criticism for its unfairness to a few of the players. Buck Weaver, by all accounts, had refused to take any money offered by the gamblers. He was purportedly banned from baseball for refusing to turn his teammates in. And although Shoeless Joe Jackson probably accepted some money, his stats show that he never truly participated in throwing the games-he had the best batting average of either team in the series.

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The victorious Cincinnati Reds came out smelling like a rose.

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Vaevictis
7/5/2006, 06:25 AM
If you build it, they will come.

Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 06:45 AM
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jk the sooner fan
7/5/2006, 06:49 AM
you should post Shoeless Joe's game stats for that WS.....certainly not prima facie evidence that he took a dive

Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 06:50 AM
you should post Shoeless Joe's game stats for that WS.....certainly not prima facie evidence that he took a dive

He had the best batting average of either team in the series. Problem was Comiskey was p1ssed at Joe, and the commish chose to ban anyone who even knew it was going on, whether they got paid or not. Buck Weaver got banned because he didn't rat out his teammates despite his not accepting anything.

TUSooner
7/5/2006, 07:55 AM
Good stuff, Homey.

yermom
7/5/2006, 08:23 AM
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The victorious Cincinnati Reds came out smelling like a Rose.



heh

Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 08:37 AM
heh

You got it! :D

Cack
7/5/2006, 08:53 AM
I live in Greenville, SC ... where Shoeless Joe was born and raised ... and he is burried about 20 mins from my house ... He did have the highest batting average of anyone on both teams ... had commited NO errors ... hit the seriers' only HR ... i also believe he lead the series in stolen bases also ... they claim that he signed a contract to throw the game ... in which at the time Shoeless Joe could no read or write and signed his name w/ an X (that anyone could do) ... just a slight rant for the morning ... thanks for posting

1stTimeCaller
7/5/2006, 08:55 AM
I heard that Shoeless Joe had the highest batting average, for both teams, during the Series.


;)

StoopTroup
7/5/2006, 08:56 AM
That event in Baseball is why Pro Wrastlin' will always be America's Sport. ;)

Taxman71
7/5/2006, 08:59 AM
I didn't know Davy Johnson was that old?


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Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 09:04 AM
I heard that Shoeless Joe had the highest batting average, for both teams, during the Series.


;)

Keep it up and see what happens.:mad: ;)

BoomerJack
7/5/2006, 09:17 AM
If you can find it, I recommend a book titled "The Pitch That Killed" by former Tulsa World sports scribe Mike Sowell. While the central theme is not about the Black Sox, it talks alot about the circumstances surrounding MLB during the era as well as the 1920 AL pennant race between Cleveland, New York Yanks and Chicago White Sox.

I believe that if you are baseball fan and history buff like me, you'll enjoy the book.

Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 09:42 AM
On a somewhat related note (to Commissioner Landis' bigoted refusal to allow black players in MLB on his watch) I was in Wichitittay over the weekend and there was a article in the Sunday Eagle-Squeekin' about the demise of black players in MLB today.

There are several ML teams which don't have any blacks on their rosters. The writer attributed it to socio-cultural phenomena -- children in urban populations don't play baseball much anymore and college baseball teams typically spread their 11 schollys among at least twice that number of kids so they all get some help which puts a lot of black kids out of contention for college baseball.

The writer said in the late 60's and 70's blacks made up about 35% of MLB rosters. They have been replaced by Hispanics in about that same proportion and now blacks only make up fewer than 5% of the teams. Kinda wierd how it evolved.

Scott D
7/5/2006, 10:00 AM
Joe Jackson, of BA-.375 G-8 AB-32 R-5 H-12 D-3 T-0 HR-1 RBI-6 BB-1 SO-2 SB-0

4 Reds had a higher batting average than Jackson, but they each played no more than 3 games. The best Reds hitter to play in 8 games hit .357.

Best hitter of his day was reduced to barnstorming because Comiskey was an a**hole :mad:

Cack
7/5/2006, 10:03 AM
ok so yeah i wasn't really sure on the stolen bases part ... a .375 average ... not too shabby in the World Series if you ask me

Scott D
7/5/2006, 10:07 AM
On a somewhat related note (to Commissioner Landis' bigoted refusal to allow black players in MLB on his watch) I was in Wichitittay over the weekend and there was a article in the Sunday Eagle-Squeekin' about the demise of black players in MLB today.

There are several ML teams which don't have any blacks on their rosters. The writer attributed it to socio-cultural phenomena -- children in urban populations don't play baseball much anymore and college baseball teams typically spread their 11 schollys among at least twice that number of kids so they all get some help which puts a lot of black kids out of contention for college baseball.

The writer said in the late 60's and 70's blacks made up about 35% of MLB rosters. They have been replaced by Hispanics in about that same proportion and now blacks only make up fewer than 5% of the teams. Kinda wierd how it evolved.

I think dilution is a big reason for that homey. To be fair, based upon the way the system is set up, it's a lot more affordable for teams to go sign a kid out of a carribean country or south america at 16-17 than it is to sign one out of urban America. Even if they are poor in the USA they generally know the full value of the dollar, wheras a non english speaker from a very poor country really wouldn't, at least not at first.

Another argument I've heard in recent years is that Jackie Robinson and Branch Rickey actually did a disservice, and what should have been pushed for is that MLB should have expanded to include a few teams from the Negro Leagues so that rosters could have been kept somewhat segregated, and would have been trying to keep within the theme of self reliance and development in the black community.

Ike
7/5/2006, 11:30 AM
On a somewhat related note (to Commissioner Landis' bigoted refusal to allow black players in MLB on his watch) I was in Wichitittay over the weekend and there was a article in the Sunday Eagle-Squeekin' about the demise of black players in MLB today.

There are several ML teams which don't have any blacks on their rosters. The writer attributed it to socio-cultural phenomena -- children in urban populations don't play baseball much anymore and college baseball teams typically spread their 11 schollys among at least twice that number of kids so they all get some help which puts a lot of black kids out of contention for college baseball.

The writer said in the late 60's and 70's blacks made up about 35% of MLB rosters. They have been replaced by Hispanics in about that same proportion and now blacks only make up fewer than 5% of the teams. Kinda wierd how it evolved.

part of this is simple economics. Most black kids grow up in the inner cities these days, where there isn't a whole lot of money going around. Thus any sport which has a high equipment cost, like baseball, football, golf, hockey, etc, tend to be underrepresented in minority-rich areas. Not to mention that in these same areas, space is at a premium and people are often packed in like sardines. So there isn't much room to build a baseball field in the first place, and indeed, they can build several basketball courts in just the space required to make an infield, and those courts require far less maintenance. Thus, basketabll has become the game of choice for those in the inner cities. This is unfortunate in my mind because basketball is probably the toughest game for a single individual to make it in, yet because it is more widely accessible, it is driving many good athletes away from baseball.


<edit> oh, and about the 11 schollys for baseball...that is true at the D1 level, but not at others. the NAIA level for instance has many more schollys to give out for baseball...and quite frankly, I think its a bunch of BS that baseball only gets 11.


<edit#2> I think football is a little different here in that by the time kids get to the HS level, the school will pick up the equipment costs, and coaches will go to great lengths to get the big athletic kids on the team...however, I'd bet that there isn't a whole lot of little league football going on in urban cultures.

Ike
7/5/2006, 11:35 AM
Its really a shame that Comiskey wasn't banned from baseball along with the rest of the team in that scandal. The dude was perhaps the biggest fockturd in the game until Pete Rose and Marge Schott.

Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 11:39 AM
"What a hell of a league this is. Ah hit .387, .408, and .395 the last three years and Ah ain't won nothin' yet!"
-- Joe Jackson

"I copied Jackson's style because I thought he was the greatest hitter I had ever seen, the greatest natural hitter I ever saw. He's the guy who made me a hitter."
-- Babe Ruth

"Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning."
-- Connie Mack

Ike
7/5/2006, 11:48 AM
"I'm going to meet the greatest umpire of all, and he knows I'm innocent." -- Joe Jackson

Cack
7/5/2006, 12:11 PM
"I'm going to meet the greatest umpire of all, and he knows I'm innocent." -- Joe Jackson

my all time favortie quote from Shoeless Joe

Okla-homey
7/5/2006, 12:14 PM
my all time favortie quote from Shoeless Joe

Hey, according to one account I read after all this mess he went home to Clinton SC and opened a liquor store. I'm thinking somebody in the greater Greenville-Sparkleberry metro should open a bar and call it "Shoeless Joe's"

Cack
7/5/2006, 12:29 PM
Hey, according to one account I read after all this mess he went home to Clinton SC and opened a liquor store. I'm thinking somebody in the greater Greenville-Sparkleberry metro should open a bar and call it "Shoeless Joe's"

yep he had a Liquor store ... it was actually one of the bigger (popular) ones in town ... we used to have the Greenville Braves as our minor league team ... but they left town and we have the Greenville Drive (i know stupid) and they're under the Red Sox organization ... when talk about names was floating around people around the area were realling pushing for it to be call Greenville Joes ... but MLB said no ... bastards :mad: