View Full Version : More evidence that Liberalism is a mental disorder........
OklahomaTuba
6/25/2006, 05:25 PM
Dudes seriously lost it.
MIAMI — American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/attack/135159.php
sooner n houston
6/25/2006, 05:34 PM
Mr. Murtha just said goodbye to his remaining credibility!!!
OklahomaTuba
6/25/2006, 05:48 PM
Mr. Murtha just said goodbye to his remaining credibility!!!
Sad too.
He's a vet as well, and quickly turning into a John Kerry type asshat.
King Crimson
6/25/2006, 06:13 PM
what i'd like to see is a working definition of "Liberalism" from now on.
since it's obvious that most of you who throw the term around like Limbaugh does as the ultimate pejorative have even less clue about it than you do about the the meaning of "conservative". but, if you want to let the media determine the content of your mind and all the while decry the media all the same....then that's your "choice".
TUSooner
6/25/2006, 06:48 PM
what i'd like to see is a working definition of "Liberalism" from now on.
since it's obvious that most of you who throw the term around like Limbaugh does as the ultimate pejorative have even less clue about it than you do about the the meaning of "conservative". but, if you want to let the media determine the content of your mind and all the while decry the media all the same....then that's your "choice".
liberal - one who disagrees with Tuba.
Where have you been !?!
;)
It's a good thing being a ********* isn't a disorder, otherwise we'd have to install handrails and ramps on the board.
King Crimson
6/25/2006, 06:53 PM
TU Sooner is a liberal and hates real draught Fullers ESB.
:D
Okla-homey
6/25/2006, 06:55 PM
Okay, I'll try. Liberals are folks who believe government's role is to enact laws which drive social change and in so doing make society better while making sure no one suffers from want.
Conservatives believe if government would kindly tend to the business of defending the country and keeping up the roads and stay the heck out of the way, the social advancement stuff would take care of itself just like it has for a thousand years through entrepreneurship, private innovation and private charitable activities.
Gross generalizations to be sure, but that's the best I can do with 5 minutes notice.
Oh yeah, most people are liberal until either a) they acquire some property b) they hit 30 or c) they get mugged, raped or robbed.
You're welcome.
King Crimson
6/25/2006, 07:04 PM
Okay, I'll try. Liberals are folks who believe government's role is to enact laws which drive social change and in so doing make society better while making sure no one suffers from want.
Conservatives believe if government would kindly tend to the business of defending the country and keeping up the roads and stay the heck out of the way, the social advancement stuff would take care of itself just like it has for a thousand years through entrepreneurship, private innovation and private charitable activities.
Gross generalizations to be sure, but that's the best I can do with 5 minutes notice.
Oh yeah, most people are liberal until either a) they acquire some property b) they hit 30 or c) they get mugged, raped or robbed.
You're welcome.
that's a decent ("fair and balanced" FOX style) rendition of contemporary usage, but has nothing to do with historical definitions.
Okla-homey
6/25/2006, 07:14 PM
that's a decent ("fair and balanced" FOX style) rendition of contemporary usage, but has nothing to do with historical definitions.
WTF does that mean? Okay, yes, strictly speaking, the United States is a "liberal democracy." In the US, the liberals are the Democrats. The GOP are the Conservatives. Libertarians (to which the older and wiser I get, the more I lean) are right of the GOP on some stuff, left of the Dems on other stuff.
Liberals in the UK are roughly equivalent to moderate Dems and Repubs here. Brit "Labour Party" members are socialists. "Conservatives" in the UK are just a smidge left of Goldwater Republicans.
Is that better?
Hoosier Dynasty
6/25/2006, 08:37 PM
Okay, I'll try. Liberals are folks who believe government's role is to enact laws which drive social change and in so doing make society better while making sure no one suffers from want.
Conservatives believe if government would kindly tend to the business of defending the country and keeping up the roads and stay the heck out of the way, the social advancement stuff would take care of itself just like it has for a thousand years through entrepreneurship, private innovation and private charitable activities.
Gross generalizations to be sure, but that's the best I can do with 5 minutes notice.
Oh yeah, most people are liberal until either a) they acquire some property b) they hit 30 or c) they get mugged, raped or robbed.
You're welcome.
Not bad... and not all that misrepresentative of the political spectrum as we understand it today.
nanimonai
6/25/2006, 08:39 PM
I always though an unhealthy obsession was a mental disorder.
jk the sooner fan
6/25/2006, 08:46 PM
i thought we were a constitutional republic?
TUSooner
6/25/2006, 08:49 PM
As a general rule, however, many SO posters subscribe to the Humpty Dumpty school of language: "When I use a word," [insert name of poster here] said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less." Communication suffers, sure, but nobody is ever wrong!
TUSooner
6/25/2006, 08:53 PM
TU Sooner is a liberal and hates real draught Fullers ESB.
:D
Well, it's OK to mischaracterize my political views, but do NOT insult my taste in beer!
;)
I can't find Fuller's ESB or London Pride on draught these days. :(
Hoosier Dynasty
6/25/2006, 09:02 PM
As a general rule, however, many SO posters subscribe to the Humpty Dumpty school of language: "When I use a word," [insert name of poster here] said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less." Communication suffers, sure, but nobody is ever wrong!
Good rule of thumb . . . i'm never wrong!
King Crimson
6/25/2006, 09:07 PM
Well, it's OK to mischaracterize my political views, but do NOT insult my taste in beer!
;)
I can't find Fuller's ESB or London Pride on draught these days. :(
i was just funnin' ya.
i thought you had a place in Algiers that did?
Frozen Sooner
6/25/2006, 09:15 PM
Communication suffers, sure, but nobody is ever wrong!
I challenge your use of the word "communication" here.
TUSooner
6/25/2006, 09:23 PM
i was just funnin' ya.
i thought you had a place in Algiers that did?
The proprietor said Fullers got "too expensive" to keep on hand :eek: Proof positive that I didn't go there to drink it often enough.
<shakes head>
OCUDad
6/25/2006, 09:28 PM
Liberal = anyone who disagrees with a knee-jerk war-mongering me-first conservative = communist.
Conservative = anyone who disagrees with a pansy-a$$, welfare-loving, tree-hugging liberal = fascist.
Everyone else is a weak fence-sitter with no moral compass at all.
Damn, we all deserve to be horsewhipped. :rolleyes:
TUSooner
6/25/2006, 09:35 PM
+++
Conservatives believe if government would kindly tend to the business of defending the country and keeping up the roads and stay the heck out of the way, the social advancement stuff would take care of itself just like it has for a thousand years through entrepreneurship, private innovation and private charitable activities....
The problem I have with some of today's so-called conservatives it that, instead of wanting less government, they want enough government to impose their "conservative" social values on the rest of the populace. That's why I tend more toward libertarian theory (as long as they keep funding the court for which I work. ;) )
OklahomaTuba
6/26/2006, 08:09 AM
The problem I have with some of today's so-called conservatives it that, instead of wanting less government, they want enough government to impose their "conservative" social values on the rest of the populace.
I've always thought this was a stupid argument when in reality conservatives want no such thing, simply to maintain the traditional values of which this nation and our culture was formed.
Of course, when compared to what liberals and "progressives" want to impose socially (anything goes, moral anarchy) then yes, it does appear conservatives are that way.
Scott D
6/26/2006, 09:23 AM
but yet Tuba when we let so called conservatives run the country government seems to grow....amazing isn't it.
The problem is we need to quit letting politicians run things.
TUSooner
6/26/2006, 09:59 AM
I've always thought this was a stupid argument when in reality conservatives want no such thing, simply to maintain the traditional values of which this nation and our culture was formed....
Oh, is THAT all ? :rolleyes:
I think that's all the Puritans wanted, too. Like the Puritans, today's so-called conservatives are also the definers and guardians of those "traditional values."
Instead of "maintain" which implies, or at least allows for, persuasion and consesnus, the word you should have used is "enforce," which describes more accuratety how governments operate, and which is why libertarian don't trust the government to "maintain traditional values."
GhostOfJAS
6/26/2006, 10:04 AM
I've always thought this was a stupid argument when in reality conservatives want no such thing, simply to maintain the traditional values of which this nation and our culture was formed.
Yah! Like slavery and Jim Crow laws and stuff...those dern libruls who ruined our country by changing those traditional 18th century values! And we keep "Under God" in the pledge like George Washington himself wanted (oh, wait, that wasn't around til the 1950s).
Of course, when compared to what liberals and "progressives" want to impose socially (anything goes, moral anarchy) then yes, it does appear conservatives are that way.
So you attack one strawman by constructing another?
Meanwhile, Tuba's poor head is stuck in the sand as his beloved Repubs continue to make government bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/26/2006, 10:19 AM
Meanwhile, Tuba's poor head is stuck in the sand as his beloved Repubs continue to make government bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.Tuba's talking about what he wishes conservatives(repubs) would ALL do. Unfortunately, there are enough RINOS in the Senate to allow the dims to get a lot of what they want, bigger nanny-state with LOTS more spending. Unfortunately the dims offer NO HOPE for smaller govt.
Scott D
6/26/2006, 10:20 AM
here goes that RINO allegation again.
GhostOfJAS
6/26/2006, 10:22 AM
LOL, the repubs have control of both houses of congress and the oval office and somehow it's still the dems' fault. Spin, spin, spin. How pathetic (so much for that responsibility in government schtick).
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/26/2006, 10:26 AM
LOL, the repubs have control of both houses of congress and the oval office and somehow it's still the dems' fault. Spin, spin, spin. How pathetic (so much for that responsibility in government schtick).How silly (intentional?)of you guys not to acknowledge the existence of the RINOS, and how they vote.
GhostOfJAS
6/26/2006, 10:28 AM
How silly (intentional?)of you guys not to acknowledge the existence of the RINOS, and how they vote.
Considering Bush hasn't vetoed a single spending bill, is he a RINO? Yes or no.
RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/26/2006, 10:53 AM
Considering Bush hasn't vetoed a single spending bill, is he a RINO? Yes or no.He's certainly not a fiscal conservative.
GhostOfJAS
6/26/2006, 11:07 AM
He's certainly not a fiscal conservative.
I'd say that well over half of the repubs in congress aren't, either. I'll give you Tom Coburn and maybe a couple of others, but the list is very, very short. The fact is the repubs long ago abandoned the idea of fiscal conservatism.
TUSooner
6/26/2006, 11:18 AM
Tuba's talking about what he wishes conservatives(repubs) would ALL do. Unfortunately, there are enough RINOS in the Senate to allow the dims to get a lot of what they want, bigger nanny-state with LOTS more spending. Unfortunately the dims offer NO HOPE for smaller govt.
There are evidently so many RINOs that - VOILA- the case is conclusively made that the Republicans now in power are Conservative In Name Only.
Isn't that what some of us have been saying all along?!?
Humpty Dumpty definition in 3...2...1...
OklahomaTuba
6/26/2006, 11:33 AM
Yah! Like slavery and Jim Crow laws and stuff...those dern libruls who ruined our country by changing those traditional 18th century values! And we keep "Under God" in the pledge like George Washington himself wanted (oh, wait, that wasn't around til the 1950s).
Yeah, that Bigot republican Lincoln really loved that slavery, yes sir.
And don't get me started on those racist pubs that voted on the civil rights act.
And its obvious George Washington would have NEVER allowed stuff vile as "under God" being a motto for this country. (http://rs6.loc.gov/ammem/GW/gw004.html)
SoonerStormchaser
6/26/2006, 11:34 AM
Murtha is an asshat traitor!
That is all...
GhostOfJAS
6/26/2006, 11:43 AM
Yeah, that Bigot republican Lincoln really loved that slavery, yes sir. And don't get me started on those racist pubs that voted on the civil rights act.
I said "conservative". Once again, you confuse "conservative" with "republican". As is obvious to even the most blind, there is very little overlap in the two groups any more (delusions are a mental disorder too).
And its obvious George Washington would have NEVER allowed stuff vile as "under God" being a motto for this country.
I didn't say anything about any national motto. I was talking about the pledge of allegiance (you know, the one that was originally authored by a socialist and modified to include "under God" during the red scare).
OklahomaTuba
6/26/2006, 01:01 PM
I didn't say anything about any national motto. I was talking about the pledge of allegiance
And yet, you included the name of George Washington as somehow implying that he wouldn't have been in favor of mentioning God in the pledge.
I think it shows your knowledge on such things is lacking.
HOLY MOLY!!!!
IT JUST NEVER STOPS!!!
OklahomaTuba
6/26/2006, 01:15 PM
HOLY MOLY!!!!
IT JUST NEVER STOPS!!!
You're right. The great debil America must be stopped before it destorys the world, since we are the worlds greatest threat.
I wonder when Murtha started copying his speaches from Osama?
Yeah, I am right. But I doubt we are talking about the same thing...
Here, let me sum up this and every other political "debate" for the newcomers:
YOU'RE WRONG, I'M RIGHT!
NO, YOU'RE WRONG, AND I'M RIGHT!!!
NUH-UH!!
UH-HUH!!!
COMMIE!!
NAZI!!
TRAITOR!!
FASCIST!!!!
GO TO HELL!
YOU FIRST!!!!
Repeat ad nasueam...then repeat some more.
OklahomaTuba
6/26/2006, 01:20 PM
Here, let me sum up this and every other political "debate" for the newcomers:
YOU'RE WRONG, I'M RIGHT!
NO, YOU'RE WRONG, AND I'M RIGHT!!!
NUH-UH!!
UH-HUH!!!
COMMIE!!
NAZI!!
TRAITOR!!
FASCIST!!!!
GO TO HELL!
YOU FIRST!!!!
Repeat ad nasueam...then repeat some more.
You forgot the part where Bri makes smartass comment then leaves. ;)
JohnnyMack
6/26/2006, 01:23 PM
I love that the conservatives put W in office and he's spending more than Imelda Marcos at a Payless shoe sale and creating enough Govt. bureaucracy to keep 3M in business until the sun collapses on itself.
GhostOfJAS
6/26/2006, 01:32 PM
And yet, you included the name of George Washington as somehow implying that he wouldn't have been in favor of mentioning God in the pledge.
Holy cow, I can't believe you how completely and utterly you missed my point. Good jorb, and thanks for the chuckle.
NormanPride
6/26/2006, 01:44 PM
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TUSooner
6/26/2006, 01:44 PM
Holy cow, I can't believe you how completely and utterly you missed my point. Good jorb, and thanks for the chuckle.
I can't believe you couldn't believe he'd miss the point.
:D
NormanPride
6/26/2006, 01:51 PM
I can't believe it's not butter!
GrapevineSooner
6/26/2006, 02:05 PM
Here, let me sum up this and every other political "debate" for the newcomers:
YOU'RE WRONG, I'M RIGHT!
NO, YOU'RE WRONG, AND I'M RIGHT!!!
NUH-UH!!
UH-HUH!!!
COMMIE!!
NAZI!!
TRAITOR!!
FASCIST!!!!
GO TO HELL!
YOU FIRST!!!!
Repeat ad nasueam...then repeat some more.
Rabble, Rabble, Rabble.
Vaevictis
6/26/2006, 03:04 PM
I can't believe you couldn't believe he'd miss the point.
:D
Well, GhostOfJas is new around here. Maybe he just hasn't seen enough to know better.
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