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sooner n houston
6/13/2006, 08:50 AM
Interesting article! :)

I’ve found God, says man who cracked the genome
Steven Swinford

THE scientist who led the team that cracked the human genome is to publish a book explaining why he now believes in the existence of God and is convinced that miracles are real.

Francis Collins, the director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute, claims there is a rational basis for a creator and that scientific discoveries bring man “closer to God”.

His book, The Language of God, to be published in September, will reopen the age-old debate about the relationship between science and faith. “One of the great tragedies of our time is this impression that has been created that science and religion have to be at war,” said Collins, 56.

“I don’t see that as necessary at all and I think it is deeply disappointing that the shrill voices that occupy the extremes of this spectrum have dominated the stage for the past 20 years.”

For Collins, unravelling the human genome did not create a conflict in his mind. Instead, it allowed him to “glimpse at the workings of God”.

“When you make a breakthrough it is a moment of scientific exhilaration because you have been on this search and seem to have found it,” he said. “But it is also a moment where I at least feel closeness to the creator in the sense of having now perceived something that no human knew before but God knew all along.

“When you have for the first time in front of you this 3.1 billion-letter instruction book that conveys all kinds of information and all kinds of mystery about humankind, you can’t survey that going through page after page without a sense of awe. I can’t help but look at those pages and have a vague sense that this is giving me a glimpse of God’s mind.”

Collins joins a line of scientists whose research deepened their belief in God. Isaac Newton, whose discovery of the laws of gravity reshaped our understanding of the universe, said: “This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful being.”

Although Einstein revolutionised our thinking about time, gravity and the conversion of matter to energy, he believed the universe had a creator. “I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details,” he said. However Galileo was famously questioned by the inquisition and put on trial in 1633 for the “heresy” of claiming that the earth moved around the sun.

Among Collins’s most controversial beliefs is that of “theistic evolution”, which claims natural selection is the tool that God chose to create man. In his version of the theory, he argues that man will not evolve further.

“I see God’s hand at work through the mechanism of evolution. If God chose to create human beings in his image and decided that the mechanism of evolution was an elegant way to accomplish that goal, who are we to say that is not the way,” he says.

“Scientifically, the forces of evolution by natural selection have been profoundly affected for humankind by the changes in culture and environment and the expansion of the human species to 6 billion members. So what you see is pretty much what you get.”

Collins was an atheist until the age of 27, when as a young doctor he was impressed by the strength that faith gave to some of his most critical patients.

“They had terrible diseases from which they were probably not going to escape, and yet instead of railing at God they seemed to lean on their faith as a source of great comfort and reassurance,” he said. “That was interesting, puzzling and unsettling.”

He decided to visit a Methodist minister and was given a copy of C S Lewis’s Mere Christianity, which argues that God is a rational possibility. The book transformed his life. “It was an argument I was not prepared to hear,” he said. “I was very happy with the idea that God didn’t exist, and had no interest in me. And yet at the same time, I could not turn away.”

His epiphany came when he went hiking through the Cascade Mountains in Washington state. He said: “It was a beautiful afternoon and suddenly the remarkable beauty of creation around me was so overwhelming, I felt, ‘I cannot resist this another moment’.”

Collins believes that science cannot be used to refute the existence of God because it is confined to the “natural” world. In this light he believes miracles are a real possibility. “If one is willing to accept the existence of God or some supernatural force outside nature then it is not a logical problem to admit that, occasionally, a supernatural force might stage an invasion,” he says.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2220484,00.html

BOOMERBRADLEY
6/13/2006, 08:57 AM
Good article, thanks

White House Boy
6/13/2006, 09:01 AM
That was a very interesting read. Thanks for posting it.

SoonerWood
6/13/2006, 09:13 AM
I predict at least 8 pages.

walkoffsooner
6/13/2006, 09:23 AM
Scientist trying to refute god is like monkeys trying to revolve into humans won't happen.

White House Boy
6/13/2006, 09:26 AM
Scientist trying to refute god is like monkeys trying to revolve into humans won't happen.

I hate revolving monkeys. They make me dizzy.

GottaHavePride
6/13/2006, 11:03 AM
Scientist trying to refute god is like monkeys trying to revolve into humans won't happen.

I agree. Because God is a scientifically non-testable hypothesis. Either you believe in God or you don't, and science can't prove anything one way or the other.

I like that guy's line about "shrill voices at the extreme ends of the spectrum". ;)

Tear Down This Wall
6/13/2006, 11:13 AM
God Rocks!

JohnnyMack
6/13/2006, 11:19 AM
Jesus and the Genomes.

That would be a cool name for a rock group.

GottaHavePride
6/13/2006, 11:20 AM
I'd only go to see them if Hyper-Plasma Shortcake was opening for them. ;)

Tear Down This Wall
6/13/2006, 11:27 AM
I like God and Jesus both. I hope you all do, too. :D

JohnnyMack
6/13/2006, 11:28 AM
I like God and Jesus both. I hope you all do, too. :D

Why, afraid we'll burn in hell?

[evil laugh]Bwahahahahahhaha!!!!!!!!!![/evil laugh]

Tear Down This Wall
6/13/2006, 11:29 AM
Yes. Because that makes Jesus sad. Don't burn in hell, Johnny Mack!

JohnnyMack
6/13/2006, 11:30 AM
Yes. Because that makes Jesus sad. Don't burn in hell, Johnny Mack!

Burn? Pfftt....I've got a corner office down there.

:texan:

Tear Down This Wall
6/13/2006, 11:31 AM
M'kay, but don't try to say you weren't invited and all.

SoonerInKCMO
6/13/2006, 11:32 AM
Weird. Yesterday there was a thread about Fukuyama ... I was reading a book by Fukuyama... in the book, he talks about this Collins guy... now there's a thread about Collins.

OCUDad
6/13/2006, 11:35 AM
I like that guy's line about "shrill voices at the extreme ends of the spectrum". ;)I also found that line insightful. Clearly he's been reading the South Oval lately. ;)

OUstudent4life
6/13/2006, 11:46 AM
“When you make a breakthrough it is a moment of scientific exhilaration because you have been on this search and seem to have found it..."

That whole paragraph is a big reason why I got into research in the first place.

Ike
6/13/2006, 12:03 PM
Ahhh, Jesus, I like him very much. But he no help with curveball.

JohnnyMack
6/13/2006, 12:03 PM
Ahhh, Jesus, I like him very much. But he no help with curveball.

Yo! Bartender! Jobu needs a refill!

Sooner98
6/13/2006, 12:24 PM
Are you saying that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

OklahomaTuba
6/13/2006, 12:34 PM
http://catholicshopper.com/products/media/DE_3975.jpg

Ike
6/13/2006, 12:35 PM
http://catholicshopper.com/products/media/DE_3975.jpg


now THAT'S funny.

OklahomaTuba
6/13/2006, 12:37 PM
Yeah, I never pictured The Lord wearing flipflops before.

Tear Down This Wall
6/13/2006, 12:39 PM
http://catholicshopper.com/products/media/DE_3975.jpg

So, any player who doesn't get a hit hates Jesus?

Ike
6/13/2006, 12:57 PM
So, any player who doesn't get a hit hates Jesus?


or the other way around....it's hard as hell to swing with someone standing behind you like that. If the kid was any good, JC would take a bat to the back of the head on the follow-through, or an elbow to the groin. From that position the best he could hope for is a weak ground ball....This must be why he can't hit a curveball....;)

Tear Down This Wall
6/13/2006, 12:59 PM
This raises many questions. Such as, what if both the pitcher and batter love Jesus? Does Jesus help them both?

Ike
6/13/2006, 01:00 PM
we lost because the other team out-prayed us...


I hate when that happens.

Pricetag
6/13/2006, 01:03 PM
So that's how Bonds did it.

Mjcpr
6/13/2006, 01:04 PM
we lost because the other team out-prayed us...

I hate when that happens.

Razy roundeye!!

JohnnyMack
6/13/2006, 01:15 PM
http://catholicshopper.com/products/media/DE_3975.jpg

This begs the question: would the Rocket go high and tight on Jeebus?

OKC Sooner
6/13/2006, 01:17 PM
or the other way around....it's hard as hell to swing with someone standing behind you like that. If the kid was any good, JC would take a bat to the back of the head on the follow-through, or an elbow to the groin. From that position the best he could hope for is a weak ground ball....This must be why he can't hit a curveball....;)

Jeebus Bunts

sooner n houston
6/13/2006, 01:18 PM
This little story sums up part of why I am a Christian!

MAKING PANCAKES

Six -year-old Brandon decided one Saturday morning to fix his parents pancakes. He found a big bowl and spoon, pulled a chair to the counter, opened the cupboard and pulled out the heavy flour canister, spilling it on the floor. He scooped some of the flour into the bowl with his hands, mixed in most of a cup of milk and added some sugar, leaving a floury trail on the floor which by now had a few tracks left by his kitten.

Brandon was covered with flour and getting frustrated. He wanted this to be something very good for Mom and Dad, but it was getting very bad.

He didn't know what to do next, whether to put it all into the oven or on the stove and he didn't know how the stove worked. Suddenly he saw his kitten licking from the bowl of mix and reached to push her away, knocking the egg carton to the floor. Frantically he tried to clean up this monumental mess but slipped on the eggs, getting his pajamas white and sticky.

And just then he saw Dad standing at the door. Big crocodile tears welled up in Brandon's eyes. All he'd wanted to do was something good, but he'd made a terrible mess. He was sure a scolding was coming, maybe even a spanking. But his father just watched him. Then, walking through the mess, Dad picked up his crying son, hugged him and loved him, getting his own pajamas white and sticky in the process!

That's how God deals with us. We try to do something good in life, but it turns into a mess. Our marriage gets all sticky or we insult a friend, or we can't stand our job, or our health goes sour. Sometimes we just stand there in tears because we can't think of anything lse to do. That's when God picks us up and loves us and forgives us, even though some of our mess gets all over Him.

But just because we might mess up, we can't stop trying to "make pancakes" for God or for others. Sooner or later we'll get it right, and then they'll be glad we tried...

LSUdeek
6/13/2006, 02:01 PM
its nice to find a thread on a message board unpopulated by the heathen. cannot find such threads on LSU boards.

Ike
6/13/2006, 02:10 PM
who is the heathen? I didn't realize there was only one these days.

SoonerInKCMO
6/13/2006, 02:18 PM
its nice to find a thread on a message board unpopulated by the heathen. cannot find such threads on LSU boards.

Hey! I posted in here and I'm a heathen! :mad:

JohnnyMack
6/13/2006, 02:21 PM
Hell I define heathen.

Ike
6/13/2006, 02:21 PM
Hey! I posted in here and I'm a heathen! :mad:


yes, but are you THE heathen? hmmmmmmm??

If so, men with torches and pitchforks will be arriving at your house shortly. Please leave your contact information with the secratary so they make sure to get the right place :D