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SicEmBaylor
6/8/2006, 12:22 AM
I love coming home. Everytime I'm back in town I rip off all the free goodies the drug companies bring to my dad. I haven't had to buy my own pens in over 20 years, and you can never ever have too many Viagra pens and notepads.
This stuff is getting much sweeter though. The crown jewel of my haul this year is a 64mb flash drive inside an ink pen from "Avandamet." I'm hoping in a couple years they'll be giving out free laptops or palm pilots. I'd soo not have a problem walking around with Propecia or Enzyte on the cover.
noleamite
6/8/2006, 12:27 AM
i'd prefer the viagra pills. heh!
SicEmBaylor
6/8/2006, 12:35 AM
i'd prefer the viagra pills. heh!
Honest to God this is no joke. My dad tells me this couple come in wanting Viagra so he prescribes it and with all his patients he usually says something like "if you need anything else give a call" or something along those lines. Well, he tells them as they're leaving without thinking, "call me if anything comes up!" And he said just as the words left his mouth he realized what he said and hope they didn't notice but the wife turns to him and says, "we'll call you if anything doesn't."
I love coming home. Everytime I'm back in town I rip off all the pain pills I can. I haven't had to buy my own pills in over 20 years, and you can never ever have too many pain pills.
This stuff is getting much sweeter though. The crown jewel of my haul this year is a morphine drip. I'm hoping in a couple years they'll be giving out free Oxycontin. I'd soo not have a problem walking around with handfuls of oxycontin.
Fixed for you dope feand:D
noleamite
6/8/2006, 12:42 AM
Honest to God this is no joke. My dad tells me this couple come in wanting Viagra so he prescribes it and with all his patients he usually says something like "if you need anything else give a call" or something along those lines. Well, he tells them as they're leaving without thinking, "call me if anything comes up!" And he said just as the words left his mouth he realized what he said and hope they didn't notice but the wife turns to him and says, "we'll call you if anything doesn't."
LOL..old people screwing should be banned.
Okla-homey
6/8/2006, 05:01 AM
LOL..old people screwing should be banned.
If you are lucky, you'll be an old scru-er someday.
I do recall a recent news story in which nursng home residents are experiencing a spike in clap, crabs and chlamydia b/c of the blue stiffener;)
Don't get me wrong, some very good folks work for drug companies, but their marketing tactics can be soooo wrong. I worked on the psych floor at a hospital that shall go unnamed. We had 3 MDs with different ethnic backgrounds. One drug co. would send 3 different...um hotties yup that's the best word...from the same different ethnic backgrounds. I asked a guy from the company later if doctors ever complained about the approach or what that said about them. His response was that their marketing and research folks wouldn't do it if they couldn't measure the obvious spike in prescribing behavior for Drug XYZ based on their approach. So, after getting over my jealousy I realized that when the big co.s blame higher prices on "R&D" some of that is a bunch of hooey. Pens and such...fine especially in places that won't buy office equipment for the staff. But you have to wonder about a place like that. If they are too cheap to have their own pens what other corners might they cut?
If nicotine or aspirin were discovered today, nobody could afford them, they'd be under a patent for 12 years with very minor changes every few years in order to keep them under patent, and the money made by the new "big tobacco" or "big aspirin" would be freakish.
LilSooner
6/8/2006, 06:19 AM
I hate pharma reps. Yep I said it they suck at life and now just random people at hospitals expect that crap. I also hate being asked when I say I'm in medical sales if I am one of those vile cockroaches.
They are the reason why we are so scruitinized over everything. I can not bring lunch into a facility with out filling out 9 different forms, in case the government decides to do an audit.
Sorry if any of you people are or have family members who are.
Sooner Born Sooner Bred
6/8/2006, 06:46 AM
A friend of mine has been carrying around a bag with a drug name on it for weeks. Saturday, someone asked her what her husband thought about her advertising his male enhancement problems. Neither one of them had noticed the bag said "Cialis." After we gave him crap for a bit, he asked her to turn the bag inside out.
Don't get me wrong, some very good folks work for drug companies, but their marketing tactics can be soooo wrong. I worked on the psych floor at a hospital that shall go unnamed. We had 3 MDs with different ethnic backgrounds. One drug co. would send 3 different...um hotties yup that's the best word...from the same different ethnic backgrounds. I asked a guy from the company later if doctors ever complained about the approach or what that said about them. His response was that their marketing and research folks wouldn't do it if they couldn't measure the obvious spike in prescribing behavior for Drug XYZ based on their approach. So, after getting over my jealousy I realized that when the big co.s blame higher prices on "R&D" some of that is a bunch of hooey. Pens and such...fine especially in places that won't buy office equipment for the staff. But you have to wonder about a place like that. If they are too cheap to have their own pens what other corners might they cut?
If nicotine or aspirin were discovered today, nobody could afford them, they'd be under a patent for 12 years with very minor changes every few years in order to keep them under patent, and the money made by the new "big tobacco" or "big aspirin" would be freakish.
I'm glad someone besides me brought this up. The sad reality is that these companies spend billions on advertising.
Hamhock
6/8/2006, 08:00 AM
I'm glad someone besides me brought this up. The sad reality is that these companies spend billions on advertising.
Why do you hate Mark Martin?
I'm glad someone besides me brought this up. The sad reality is that these companies spend billions on advertising.
Most companies do. How much do political lobbyists spend?
The crown jewel of my haul this year is a 64mb flash drive inside an ink pen from "Avandamet."
I need to have a talk with our Avandamet rep. :mad:
crawfish
6/8/2006, 08:10 AM
LOL..old people screwing should be banned.
:mad:
:)
LOL..old people screwing should be boned.
:eek:
Most companies do. How much do political lobbyists spend?
I've never heard of any companies outside the drug industry waiting at gas stations near hospitals to fill up doctors tanks.
Also there are at least some regulations as to how much lobbyists spend. I also find it interesting that you use one corrupt system as a comparison to another.:D
I've never heard of any companies outside the drug industry waiting at gas stations near hospitals to fill up doctors tanks.
No way this currently happens, if it ever did.
Also there are at least some regulations as to how much lobbyists spend. I also find it interesting that you use one corrupt system as a comparison to another.:D
Exactly. The lawmakers put strict limits on what promotional items doctors can receive, but the lawmakers are limited to what, $5,000 per item? Their system is way more flawed, but they don't fix that.
No way this currently happens, if it ever did.
Exactly. The lawmakers put strict limits on what promotional items doctors can receive, but the lawmakers are limited to what, $5,000 per item? Their system is way more flawed, but they don't fix that.
Just to be clear before we go on, are you seriously defending the drug companies?:D
Hamhock
6/8/2006, 08:34 AM
The world would be so much better off without drug companies. :rolleyes:
Just to be clear before we go on, are you seriously defending the drug companies?:D
I'm defending their right to promote their product. None of the reps I know are sleazy, they're actually pretty nice people just doing a job. I'm offended that the government regulates us more than their own. If anyone was going to be influenced in a bad way, I'd trust doctors to do the right thing more than politicians.
olevetonahill
6/8/2006, 08:50 AM
I'm defending their right to promote their product. None of the reps I know are sleazy, they're actually pretty nice people just doing a job. I'm offended that the government regulates us more than their own. If anyone was going to be influenced in a bad way, I'd trust doctors to do the right thing more than politicians.
YMSSRA
Damn skippy there Doc
1stTimeCaller
6/8/2006, 08:59 AM
If the FDA would change the way the patents work for drugs the drug companies would have more than 5-10 years to make their profits on the drugs they make. That alone would lower the costs of drugs. If they spend $5 billion on developing a drug and then only have 7 years left on the patent when the drug hits the market they have to set the price higher than if they had 14 years to recoup their R&D costs and make a profit.
mdklatt
6/8/2006, 09:28 AM
It seems like half the contestants on Survivor are "pharmaceutical sales representatives". Just sayin'.
walkoffsooner
6/8/2006, 09:56 AM
[QUOTE=OUDoc]I'm defending their right to promote their product. None of the reps I know are sleazy, they're actually pretty nice people just doing a job. I'm offended that the government regulates us more than their own. If anyone was going to be influenced in a bad way, I'd trust doctors to do the right thing more than politicians.[/QU
Amen Brother. Politicians would screw there daddy for a nickle key chain.
I know several drug reps as well. One is a friend, a few are patients. They aren't bad people at all, I never said they were.
What gets me is the marketing aspects of these drugs. I do think its wrong to run the companies the way these are run. Its one of the few things I disagree with the conservative party on. I don't think its right that a company that makes a product that people rely on to stay alive puts profits above safety.
One of the most alarming thoughts is that a for profit company has so much power on the R&D end of things. Think of it like this. You are sitting in a board room discussing how to increase profits. Scientist one comes in and has a new pill, take it one time and it cures you forever. Scientist number 2 comes in and has a pill that will maintain the disease but you have to take it every day of your life. Which will make more profit, which do you think the comapany will spend time and money developing and promoting? A simplification of the process but pretty much the way it works.
There is a very good book on the subject written by a former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, Marcia Angell. Its been a while since I read it and its at home so I could be a little off on this but as I remember she says tat there really haven't been that many new formula's developed since the late 70's. She also talks about how the patents have realy screwed the industry up from a health care aspect. She explains how much of the actual R&D is done in colleges and funded by the government, then the drug companies step into the production part and makes all the profits. Anyway, a very easy read and eye opening to say the least.
The world would be so much better off without drug companies. :rolleyes:
No but the world would be much better of if the drug companies were more about about really helping and less about a profit margin.
walkoffsooner
6/8/2006, 10:39 AM
The only problem I have with any of this when someone gives you something for possible returned favor. It is a bribe. It could influence you into making a bad decision.
Hamhock
6/8/2006, 10:41 AM
No but the world would be much better of if the drug companies were more about about really helping and less about a profit margin.
It's hard to pay top executives and scientists with love.
It's hard to pay top executives and scientists with love.
Again, most of the scientists are paid by the gubermint(through grants)or their university of employment.
SicEmBaylor
6/8/2006, 10:16 PM
I know drug reps and politicans and politicans are by far the more sleazy of the two professions (and I am one).
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 07:54 AM
WTF is wrong with selling pharmaceuticals?
Are they really sleazier than folks that sell surgical instruments? Diapers and wheelchairs?
Other than making up blatant lies about what they do to sell their products what makes them so sleazy? Is it sleazy that they know how their products work on your body and how they act and counteract with other drugs? Is informing the doctors of your product and the dos and don'ts involved with it really sleazy? Is it sleazy to bring them breakfast and take them to dinner? That's a normal business practice for most salespeople. It is in the construction bidness anyways.
Taxman71
6/9/2006, 10:22 AM
Nothing wrong with selling meds, but part of the reason drugs are so high is the thousands of pharm reps driving company cars and making big salaries for basically catering a lunch 3 days a week just to see how often the docs prescribe their brand.
The poor guys at WalMart don't get the freebies b/c they don't disclose the meds getting prescribed.
BajaOklahoma
6/9/2006, 11:39 AM
Where do you think your free drug samples come from?
colleyvillesooner
6/9/2006, 11:47 AM
Where do you think your free drug samples come from?
Columbia? ;)
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 12:08 PM
Nothing wrong with selling meds, but part of the reason drugs are so high is the thousands of pharm reps driving company cars and making big salaries for basically catering a lunch 3 days a week just to see how often the docs prescribe their brand.
The poor guys at WalMart don't get the freebies b/c they don't disclose the meds getting prescribed.
Do any pharmacists get free samples? It's my understanding that Doctors and only Doctors can sign for them from the reps. Before we argue semantics I mean M.D. and D.O.s that do not work as pharmacists.
What I'm hearing is some jealousy from those that are not pharm reps and don't drive company cars and don't make large salaries. Their jobs are much harder than most people think.
I'm not sure anyone called the reps sleazy or anything else. They are just doing their job. Its the phamacutical companies practices as a whole that are a problem IMO.
Taxman71
6/9/2006, 12:41 PM
Do any pharmacists get free samples? It's my understanding that Doctors and only Doctors can sign for them from the reps. Before we argue semantics I mean M.D. and D.O.s that do not work as pharmacists.
What I'm hearing is some jealousy from those that are not pharm reps and don't drive company cars and don't make large salaries. Their jobs are much harder than most people think.
Read achiro's post above. Not blaming the reps (hell, I had several of these jobs handed to me in the past if I wanted them), just explaining why meds are so expensive in the US compared to elsewhere.
That being said, I have never heard the 2 dozen or so pharm reps I know ever describe their job as hard.
mdklatt
6/9/2006, 01:04 PM
]That being said, I have never heard the 2 dozen or so pharm reps I know ever describe their job as hard.
I don't know about that. Maybe it's job stress that drives so many of them to go on Survivor.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 01:12 PM
the job stress is high. The amount of learning about the body and how it works( not all pharm companies do this but Pfizer does) wears some of them out. Some hate the way that some of the doctors treat them.
I've talked to pharm reps that loved their jobs and others that hated them. I've known a few that gave up their $80k - $200k jobs to get back into the public school system and firefighting and other nowhere near $80k jobs. The salepeople's salaries don't have that much to do with the high cost of healthcare in the US. The ones that make the big bucks are the ones that have doctors that prescribe their drugs.
**edit** It was post #29 that got me fired up. My argument is with SicEm mostly.
I'd trust doctors to do the right thing more than politicians.
That's really stepping out there :D
Is there any profession that we would NOT trust more to do the right thing more than politicians? Well, ut football coach excepted...
Taxman71
6/9/2006, 02:14 PM
the job stress is high. The amount of learning about the body and how it works( not all pharm companies do this but Pfizer does) wears some of them out. Some hate the way that some of the doctors treat them.
I've talked to pharm reps that loved their jobs and others that hated them. I've known a few that gave up their $80k - $200k jobs to get back into the public school system and firefighting and other nowhere near $80k jobs. The salepeople's salaries don't have that much to do with the high cost of healthcare in the US. The ones that make the big bucks are the ones that have doctors that prescribe their drugs.
**edit** It was post #29 that got me fired up. My argument is with SicEm mostly.
I think what you are saying applies to every profession, it just depends on the individual. Every job has those who love it and those that hate it (there are actually men who quit the porn biz believe it or not).
The high cost of "prescription drugs" does have alot to do with the cost of sales, both in sales reps and the mass advertising these companies do (look at their financials). The high cost of "healthcare" is a bigger pile of manure. Insurance companies, malpractice premiums, uninsureds going to the ER for every sniffle, illegals, and the occassional big plaintiff verdict all play a hand in it. However, the physicians have chosen to cast all the blame on the lawyers (since noone likes us anyway) and fail to mention the unrecouped costs of uninsureds, illegals and the squeeze from the insurers.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 02:19 PM
healthcare is easier for me to spell than perscription drugs.
I understand their marketing costs are high. I think the easier solution to lowering costs is for the FDA to change either the way they determine when drug company's patents start or lenghten the time allowed for the patents.
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 02:30 PM
WTF is wrong with selling pharmaceuticals?
Are they really sleazier than folks that sell surgical instruments? Diapers and wheelchairs?
Other than making up blatant lies about what they do to sell their products what makes them so sleazy? Is it sleazy that they know how their products work on your body and how they act and counteract with other drugs? Is informing the doctors of your product and the dos and don'ts involved with it really sleazy? Is it sleazy to bring them breakfast and take them to dinner? That's a normal business practice for most salespeople. It is in the construction bidness anyways.
OK I'll say they are SLEAZY. There are a plague. Difference between what I do and what they do is that I don't bug the hell out of the doctors all damn day. I have been in Dr.'s offices and watched three or four of those varmits waltz in and out before I can get in to see the doctor for an appointment (not a sales call I don't call on doctors).
It ****es me off as a woman I see alot of these chicks flaunce in an out in their little short skirts and high heels. I know sex sells but seriously, wearing a leopard print mini skirt does not lend to credibility.
You know if I wore that **** into an OR those nurses would never look at me the same. I would never earn their respect and they would never take me seriously.
It also ****es me off that everyone asks me for damn pens and crap. I don't need gimmicks to sell my product. I'm also very insulted to be lumped in with a pharma rep. They only have to know one or two drugs. I have to know hundreds of thousand of products. Two totally different jobs.
Yeah, yeah, now about that leopard print mini skirt.....
;)
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 02:37 PM
Dude, I get hit on wearing scrubs and bouffant cap. There is no need for the mini.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 02:38 PM
you sell instruments?
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 02:44 PM
That and everything else that a hospital uses with the exception of the drugs and the large pieces of equipment.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 02:46 PM
OK I'll say they are SLEAZY. There are a plague. Difference between what I do and what they do is that I don't bug the hell out of the doctors all damn day. I have been in Dr.'s offices and watched three or four of those varmits waltz in and out before I can get in to see the doctor for an appointment (not a sales call I don't call on doctors).
It's their fault the doctor sees them before patients?
It ****es me off as a woman I see alot of these chicks flaunce in an out in their little short skirts and high heels. I know sex sells but seriously, wearing a leopard print mini skirt does not lend to credibility.
You know if I wore that **** into an OR those nurses would never look at me the same. I would never earn their respect and they would never take me seriously.
Does is **** you off that those hawt chicks earn the doctor's respect by knowing their product and their rcompetitor's products inside and out? Or is it that only ugly people are smart enough to sell medical stuff? rawrrrrrrrrr
It also ****es me off that everyone asks me for damn pens and crap. I don't need gimmicks to sell my product.
Maybe you do. I have a good friend that sells some kind of surgical device that only they sell and he gives out tons of crap.
I'm also very insulted to be lumped in with a pharma rep. They only have to know one or two drugs.
Wrong, some have 4 or 5 products and they have to know everything about their competitor's products as well as the chemistry behind how the drugs work in you body.
I have to know hundreds of thousand of products. Two totally different jobs.
I'm glad you have a great memory.
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 02:55 PM
hot carl
Dude, I get hit on wearing scrubs and bouffant cap. There is no need for the mini.
Pics?
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 03:14 PM
It's their fault the doctor sees them before patients?
Does is **** you off that those hawt chicks earn the doctor's respect by knowing their product and their rcompetitor's products inside and out? Or is it that only ugly people are smart enough to sell medical stuff? rawrrrrrrrrr
Maybe you do. I have a good friend that sells some kind of surgical device that only they sell ahttp://www.soonerfans.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1393225nd he gives out tons of crap.
Wrong, some have 4 or 5 products and they have to know everything about their competitor's products as well as the chemistry behind how the drugs work in you body.
I'm glad you have a great memory.
Do you work in a hospital or doctors office? Are you a pharma rep? If you were then you would know that you only get a very minimal amount of time infront of the doctor. Those "hawt" chicks most of the time do not even get to see the doctor, but they drop off their **** and leave but they have to make sure that they get their papers signed to show that they were actually there. They are glorified PR people for the most part. Most of them have to mimerize a script these days. And the day of making 120,000 dollars a year as a pharma rep ended about three years ago. If you ever look at an actual add for a pharma rep you typically (not always depending on the drug or company) you only have to have minimal sales expeirence. That's why so many of these people are kids right out of college. Now a couple of years ago I would have totally agreed with you, but now being on the other side I have seen personally what they have done to the industry and its not pretty.
You would be shocked to see the "perks" that these docs get for using a cetain drugs. Were talking about check, cars, trips to foreign countries. It's becuase of pharma companies that the goverment is steping in. It was almost like a pay to play system going on and it was sick.
Dude, I get hit on wearing scrubs and bouffant cap. There is no need for the mini.
scrubs are hot :O
mdklatt
6/9/2006, 03:20 PM
That's why so many of these people are kids right out of college.
Survivor certainly bears this out. I don't get the feeling that these people have an extensive knowledge of biochemistry, if you catch my drift.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:23 PM
I'm in the construction bidness. I've never even built a hospital. I just know what my brother and sister in law tell me when I ask them questions. I guess I should let them know that she shouldn't make what she makes.
Now, my bro and SIL have said some very negative things about the smaller pharm companies that didn't sign some agreement as to what gifts they can give doctors. I guess I can presume that you are talking about these smaller pharm companies because Pfizer, Merck, Takeda, Eli-Lily and the big kids can't buy doctors cars and send them on trips much less a basketball or hockey game.
That was nice of you to lump them all together though.
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 03:26 PM
Do you work in a hospital or doctors office? Are you a pharma rep? If you were then you would know that you only get a very minimal amount of time infront of the doctor. Those "hawt" chicks most of the time do not even get to see the doctor, but they drop off their **** and leave but they have to make sure that they get their papers signed to show that they were actually there. They are glorified PR people for the most part. Most of them have to mimerize a script these days. And the day of making 120,000 dollars a year as a pharma rep ended about three years ago. If you ever look at an actual add for a pharma rep you typically (not always depending on the drug or company) you only have to have minimal sales expeirence. That's why so many of these people are kids right out of college. Now a couple of years ago I would have totally agreed with you, but now being on the other side I have seen personally what they have done to the industry and its not pretty.
You would be shocked to see the "perks" that these docs get for using a certain drugs. Were talking about check, cars, trips to foreign countries. It's because of pharma companies that the goverment is steping in. It was almost like a pay to play system going on and it was sick.
Why do you hate capitalism?
If my doc gives me one drug over another simply b/c he and the misses get to go to Singapore, sounds like he is the one with the ethics problem, not the company that is trying to make a profit.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:27 PM
hot carl
:D
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 03:30 PM
Yeah NOW they can't do it. But up until oh about two or three years ago it WAS the big ones that were doing it. Hell the little guys can't afford to throw around the change that the big guys do. If your sister in law is making that much good for her. But my uncle is a regional manager for one of the big three and he makes that much. I'm not talking abou them I'm talking about your average rep and 60-80 is awesome these days. The days of the six figure paycheck is not something your normally see.
It is actually because of the big companies that we can't do anything any more. Do you know that I have to fill out three forms for just bringing in donuts for an eval?
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 03:32 PM
Why do you hate capitalism?
If my doc gives me one drug over another simply b/c he and the misses get to go to Singapore, sounds like he is the one with the ethics problem, not the company that is trying to make a profit.
Wow did you just say that? It's funny how we forget about Merke a couple of year ago and their wonderful round of drug recalls and the lawsuits that are still in the courts.
Wouldn't you want the drug that works best for you and not the drug that got the doc a new lexus?
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:33 PM
I thought it was 9?
When you said
You would be shocked to see the "perks" that these docs get for using a certain drugs. Were talking about check, cars, trips to foreign countries. It's because of pharma companies that the goverment is steping in That's written as if it happens now. It doesn't with the big boys. Now the small companies can do that stuff but the big kids can't.
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 03:34 PM
hot carl
:D
I just googled hot carl.
wow. just wow.
what would posses someone to...I mean...why would you...wow...just wow.
If anyone else is considering finding out the meaning because of simple curiosity, don't, unless you want a lesson on total depravity.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:35 PM
I told you.
Missus.
Howzit.
They don't call him the SOHCO for nothing.
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 03:36 PM
Wouldn't you want the drug that works best for you and not the drug that got the doc a new lexus?
Abso-smurfley, and I'll trust my doc to make that determination.
I think Lilsooner is talking about data like this:
In 2001, an average of 14% of the revenue generated by the top ten U.S. pharmaceutical
companies was dedicated to research and development. In comparison, 33%, or more than
twice the amount was dedicated to marketing, advertising and administration (Figure 2.1).
Even profit (20% of the revenue) outranked the amount spent on research and
development.
http://www.greenlining.org/uploads/pdfs/1018145026-bcdpharmaceuticalreport.pdf
mdklatt
6/9/2006, 03:43 PM
What about all the TV commercials for prescription medication? What is the point of that? Half the time they don't even tell what the hell the stuff is for. I'm sure doctors love having their patients bugging them about drugs they saw on TV.
No, Mr. Smith, I'm pretty sure estrogen replacement therapy isn't right for you.
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 03:48 PM
I thought it was 9?
When you said That's written as if it happens now. It doesn't with the big boys. Now the small companies can do that stuff but the big kids can't.
No sorry I meant in the past couple of years. Believe me the little companies can't afford to do it. Besides the government is all over our asses big or small. I get an email almost weekly from our general counsel telling us what we can and can't do for customers.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:48 PM
I think Lilsooner is talking about data like this:
In 2001, an average of 14% of the revenue generated by the top ten U.S. pharmaceutical
companies was dedicated to research and development. In comparison, 33%, or more than
twice the amount was dedicated to marketing, advertising and administration (Figure 2.1).
Even profit (20% of the revenue) outranked the amount spent on research and
development.
http://www.greenlining.org/uploads/pdfs/1018145026-bcdpharmaceuticalreport.pdf
fine. argue that point but don't call the sales reps sleazy.
fine. argue that point but don't call the sales reps sleazy.
Slutty?
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:50 PM
I'm on board wif dat!!! choo choo
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:51 PM
FOR THE RECORD, I SPEKKED LIL AND APOLOGIZED FOR BEING AS ***.
mdklatt
6/9/2006, 03:51 PM
don't call the sales reps sleazy
I don't think anybody's hatin' on the playas, just the game, yo.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:53 PM
Both she and SicEm used that exact word. SicEm in #29 and then Lil came out of the gate ala Barbaro with it.
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 03:53 PM
Yes slutty is the better way. I take back sleazy and I say that they are slutty. With of course the exception of your SIL.
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 03:54 PM
FOR THE RECORD, I SPEKKED LIL AND APOLOGIZED FOR BEING AS ***.
FOR THE RECORD, I NEGSPEKKED 1TC FOR EXPANDING MY VOCABULARY TODAY
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 03:54 PM
1st time your fine your not being an ***.
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:54 PM
Yes slutty is the better way. I take back sleazy and I say that they are slutty. With of course the exception of your SIL.
well she's knocked up right now so slutty isn't too far off ;)
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 03:56 PM
Both she and SicEm used that exact word. SicEm in #29 and then Lil came out of the gate ala Barbaro with it.
smarmy?
1stTimeCaller
6/9/2006, 03:57 PM
smarmy?
is that anything like a hot carl?
LilSooner
6/9/2006, 03:57 PM
OOOHHHH! I like Smarmy. I like to say smarmy too.
Taxman71
6/9/2006, 03:58 PM
I just googled hot carl.
wow. just wow.
what would posses someone to...I mean...why would you...wow...just wow.
If anyone else is considering finding out the meaning because of simple curiosity, don't, unless you want a lesson on total depravity.
Agreed. How much kinky sex would a person have had to gotten bored with when this sounds attractive? And who is sicker, the one pitching the hot carl or the one catching the hot carl? Wow.
Taxman71
6/9/2006, 04:00 PM
FWIW, every pharma rep I know either has or is trying to move into selling medical equipment, supplies, etc. Sounds like the gravy train is nearing the station. Fortunately, the Arbonne ladies will be waiting for them.
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 04:01 PM
Agreed. How much kinky sex would a person have had to gotten bored with when this sounds attractive? And who is sicker, the one pitching the hot carl or the one catching the hot carl? Wow.
rEALLY!! I'm a pretty kinky guy. I mean, one time, the wife and I did it with the lights on. But this, I blame the dems. Specifically Barney Frank.
And who is sicker, the one pitching the hot carl or the one catching the hot carl? Wow.
I'm going to have to go with the catcher.
Hamhock
6/9/2006, 04:07 PM
I'm going to have to go with the catcher.
TMI!!! :eek:
Taxman71
6/9/2006, 04:08 PM
I also fail to see the need for the saran wrap or glass table. Actually letting it seep down one's throat really isn't any nastier that the vintage hot carl. Oh, and I blame MTV. This reeks of something kids would learn from Jackass, the Real World or the sex doctor call-in show.
Needless to say, even Ozzy himself would not try this.
Scott D
6/9/2006, 04:50 PM
Want to see a pharmaceutical rep get stressed? Ask them about their semi-annual inventory prep.
You would be shocked to see the "perks" that these docs get for using a cetain drugs. Were talking about check, cars, trips to foreign countries. It's becuase of pharma companies that the goverment is steping in. It was almost like a pay to play system going on and it was sick.
I don't know who you and achiro have been hanging around, but I wish I had been there. I got a cheap stethoscope and a book. Once, I got a 2 button computer mouse with a drug name on it. No scroll wheel and not an optical mouse. It sucks. It sits unused in my desk drawer. Never EVER seen a check (unless they're paid to give a presentation as an expert in their field), a car or a trip to anyone. Ever. Of course, I've only been a doc for 7 years and I know things have changed before that time.
King Crimson
6/9/2006, 08:42 PM
I don't know who you and achiro have been hanging around, but I wish I had been there. I got a cheap stethoscope and a book. Once, I got a 2 button computer mouse with a drug name on it. No scroll wheel and not an optical mouse. It sucks. It sits unused in my desk drawer. Never EVER seen a check (unless they're paid to give a presentation as an expert in their field), a car or a trip to anyone. Ever. Of course, I've only been a doc for 7 years and I know things have changed before that time.
well, sure.....but what about all the 1000$ an hour Thai "escorts"?
;)
I have a question. When a new drug comes out, does a doctor have some sort of training/seminar about it or is all the info coming from the drug rep? Are the MD/DO license renewal seminars mainly about new drugs, uses/chemical interactions/side effects or other stuff?
I have a question. When a new drug comes out, does a doctor have some sort of training/seminar about it or is all the info coming from the drug rep? Are the MD/DO license renewal seminars mainly about new drugs, uses/chemical interactions/side effects or other stuff?
Question #1: No. Question #2: CME seminars go over new drugs sometimes. If the new drug represents a revolution in treatment, we'll hear about it in studies. That's rarely the case in primary care, as most drugs are, at best, a minor improvement/alternative in the standard of care.
A lot of the info comes from reps and journals. I tend to wait and see whether or not the specialists in that field like and use the drug. Then I might try it, if it's really an improvement.
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