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colleyvillesooner
6/4/2006, 02:07 PM
Thought a new thread would be good for the finals.
Predictions? Thoughts? Matchup problems? Anyone hate the 2-3-2 as much as me?
I think Dirk will give the Heat fits. I also think Howard should guard Wade. Can't wait for Thursday.
Mavs in 6.
Nowitzki is from Wurzburg, I ate some strudel there once.:)
colleyvillesooner
6/4/2006, 03:15 PM
Not the type of first reply I was looking for, but I'll take it. :D
Scott D
6/4/2006, 03:23 PM
I can't wait for David Stern to had the trophy to Dick Bavetta and Joey Crawford.
jk the sooner fan
6/4/2006, 04:07 PM
this will be the most physical series the mavs have had.........griffin will get some playing time against Wade as well as Howard....really wish we had DJ Mbenga to get some foul minutes against Shaq
i really have no idea how we match up, i just havent watched the Heat play enough to know
Dude, if this new thread dooms us, I'ma whup your *ss. ;)
colleyvillesooner
6/4/2006, 04:39 PM
Dude, if this new thread dooms us, I'ma whup your *ss. ;)
Why would the thread doom us?
It's just more managable than the big *** one. :D
Why would the thread doom us?
It's just more managable than the big *** one. :D
Top Dawg has taught me a valuable lesson about jinxing the Yanks with threads and/or posts. Also see the recent Detroit thread.
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69916
colleyvillesooner
6/4/2006, 04:47 PM
Just stating who I think will win, and wanted to see what others think. I'll make sure the Mavs don't read this thread, see that I picked them, and get all cocky. ;)
Big Red Ron
6/4/2006, 04:52 PM
Heat in four. ;)
Why would the thread doom us?
It's just more managable than the big *** one. :D
That other thread was good enough to get us to the Finals! You're F*CKIN' WITH MOJO, DAMMIT!!! ;)
SelmaBamaFan
6/4/2006, 04:56 PM
It's basketball...
Pro basketball at that...
Who cares?
Big Red Ron
6/4/2006, 05:08 PM
It's basketball...
Pro basketball at that...
Who cares?Cities with NBA teams would be my guess.
jk the sooner fan
6/4/2006, 05:43 PM
It's basketball...
Pro basketball at that...
Who cares?
you know us as the "dallas lunch crew"
we're big Mavs fans....WE care
colleyvillesooner
6/4/2006, 10:47 PM
That other thread was good enough to get us to the Finals! You're F*CKIN' WITH MOJO, DAMMIT!!! ;)
Fine, post in the other one. Or, maybe that one only had enough Mojo to get us to the Finals. This one may be the one to get us sover the hump. ;)
GrapevineSooner
6/4/2006, 11:16 PM
you know us as the "dallas lunch crew"
we're big Mavs fans....WE care
We've waited, in some cases, 26 years for this day to happen. And in doing so, have suffered through watching what arguably was the worst professional sports franchise in the 90's while watching our neighbors to the south in Houston and San Antonio battle for Western Conference and sometimes NBA supremacy.
Which would be analagous to your program's rise back to prominence after watching Florida and Auburn dominate for so long. ;)
Big Red Ron
6/5/2006, 05:26 AM
We've waited, in some cases, 26 years for this day to happen. And in doing so, have suffered through watching what arguably was the worst professional sports franchise in the 90's while watching our neighbors to the south in Houston and San Antonio battle for Western Conference and sometimes NBA supremacy. ;)Which is what will make the Mavs beat down all the more entertaining. :D
jk the sooner fan
6/5/2006, 06:19 AM
We've waited, in some cases, 26 years for this day to happen. And in doing so, have suffered through watching what arguably was the worst professional sports franchise in the 90's while watching our neighbors to the south in Houston and San Antonio battle for Western Conference and sometimes NBA supremacy.
Which would be analagous to your program's rise back to prominence after watching Florida and Auburn dominate for so long. ;)
dude, i remember when i was living here in high school....people went to Mavs games to watch the other teams when they came to town
this franchise has come A VERY LONG way, and frankly its Mark Cuban (imo) that brought us to the promised land.
we actually get a real banner to hang in the AAC now, hopefully we can add a bigger one with 4 more wins
colleyvillesooner
6/5/2006, 07:43 AM
dude, i remember when i was living here in high school....people went to Mavs games to watch the other teams when they came to town
this franchise has come A VERY LONG way, and frankly its Mark Cuban (imo) that brought us to the promised land.
we actually get a real banner to hang in the AAC now, hopefully we can add a bigger one with 4 more wins
No kidding. I remember being a little kid and getting excited cause the Bulls we're coming to town. Or looking at the sports page, and saying "Wow, the mavs won." Long time coming, and Cuban is the reason.
We won more games (227) in the last four years than we did in the 90's (206)
SoonerProphet
6/5/2006, 08:00 AM
Hey now, sounds like some folks are disrespecting the likes of Uwe Blab, Detlef Schrempf, and my man James Donaldson. Don't be hating. Some of those mid 80's teams were not all that bad. Just couldn't beat Pat and Showtime.
colleyvillesooner
6/5/2006, 08:55 AM
Hey now, sounds like some folks are disrespecting the likes of Uwe Blab, Detlef Schrempf, and my man James Donaldson. Don't be hating. Some of those mid 80's teams were not all that bad. Just couldn't beat Pat and Showtime.
Yeah, you're right. Some of those teams from over 20 years ago almost made it. This team did. Better. :D
Herr Scholz
6/5/2006, 10:02 AM
Nowitzki is from Wurzburg, I ate some strudel there once.:)
I knew there was a reason we get along so well. I spent a year studying in Wurzburg. I also got to play a few times in the city gym while Nowitksi's club team was practicing. Around '92.
NormanPride
6/5/2006, 10:17 AM
I find the Heat's "white hot" t-shirt campaign amusing, considering their terrible attendance during the year.
Wurzburg, home of the Wolves.
I find the Heat's "white hot" t-shirt campaign amusing, considering their terrible attendance during the year.
everytime I watch a Miami home game, looks like I am watching a branch davidian basketball tournament.
Scott D
6/5/2006, 12:49 PM
I find the Heat's "white hot" t-shirt campaign amusing, considering their terrible attendance during the year.
it's a whole marketing campaign designed to make the 12k in attendance look like the 13k empty seats in the place every night ;)
GrapevineSooner
6/5/2006, 12:55 PM
it's a whole marketing campaign designed to make the 12k in attendance look like the 13k empty seats in the place every night ;)
The Winnipeg Jets/Phoenix Coyotes would like to thank the Miami Heat for stealing their idea.
Scott D
6/5/2006, 12:57 PM
The Winnipeg Jets/Phoenix Coyotes would like to sue the Miami Heat for stealing their idea.
fixed ;)
I knew there was a reason we get along so well. I spent a year studying in Wurzburg. I also got to play a few times in the city gym while Nowitksi's club team was practicing. Around '92.
Well, there you go, I also ate some some bbq on post, and I remember a big-*** castle or palace of some kind.
Herr Scholz
6/5/2006, 05:14 PM
Well, there you go, I also ate some some bbq on post, and I remember a big-*** castle or palace of some kind.
Leighton Barracks? I was on there a few times - met a few Army guys over there. There was a castle on the hill across the river (rebuilt from the War) and a big Bishop's residence in town. Nice little city.
Leighton Barracks? I was on there a few times - met a few Army guys over there. There was a castle on the hill across the river (rebuilt from the War) and a big Bishop's residence in town. Nice little city.
I just like Germany in general; the food, beer, and people.
Scott D
6/5/2006, 05:35 PM
The apocalypse is upon us....gdc and Herr are 'getting along' in a thread.
colleyvillesooner
6/5/2006, 06:35 PM
The apocalypse is upon us....gdc and Herr are 'getting along' in a thread.
****, they probably hung out over there. ;)
I wish I knew how to quit you.
GrapevineSooner
6/6/2006, 10:08 AM
Don't worry. The Yankees and Red Sox are playing this week.
Which means they'll go back to hating each other in no time at all. :D
colleyvillesooner
6/7/2006, 10:14 AM
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/9044/finalswallpaper640x4803kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
NormanPride
6/7/2006, 10:42 AM
I think that was a picture of KVH chasing after a driving big man. Harris looks like he just learned how to walk and dribble. Whoever #33 is looks scared, same with #44. Avery looks like a badass.
Cue the heat picture with Shaq dressed as the dancing bear.
4 TICKETS for $70,000!!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dallas-Mavericks-NBA-Finals-Home-Game-1-June-8-2006_W0QQitemZ6635665004QQihZ012QQcategoryZ16122QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
the boob job and cocaine club of dallas will buy those seats though.
GrapevineSooner
6/7/2006, 01:02 PM
Just for fun, count the number of possible palming violations in the pic.
:D
Scott D
6/7/2006, 02:22 PM
Just for fun, count the number of possible palming violations in the pic.
:D
takes less time to count those who aren't ;)
Don't worry. The Yankees and Red Sox are playing this week.
Which means they'll go back to hating each other in no time at all. :D
Just because we both like strudel and German beer doesn't mean I have to like him.
the boob job and cocaine club of dallas will buy those seats though.
They should just move the game to Addison. :D
colleyvillesooner
6/7/2006, 02:31 PM
They should just move the game to Addison. :D
HI-OH!
HI-OH!
That's about as much of the "Dallas insider" jokes I picked up over the last two years. :P
corbys question to Shaq.... LMAO...
http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/press_conf/media_avail_oneal_060607.asx&video=
fast forward to 8:40
BeetDigger
6/8/2006, 09:17 AM
Anyone hate the 2-3-2 as much as me?
You can blame Larry and Magic for this. If I remember correctly, the 2-3-2 came about during the Boston-LA series in the 80's. It was a way to minimize the impact of traveling from coast to coast during the final four games of those series (which always seemed to go seven games - imagine that). It isn't really needed for series where the two teams are a three hour plane ride from each other.
I hated the 2-3-2 SO MUCH back during the Bulls dynasties. I got hella tired of having to watch them clinch on the road just about every year. :D
colleyvillesooner
6/8/2006, 01:45 PM
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003CC7C93BAA37/
IN!
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003CC7C93BAA37/
IN!
Cool, good idea.
SoonerStud615
6/8/2006, 03:17 PM
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8559/dirknowitness6mh.png (http://imageshack.us)
BeetDigger
6/8/2006, 04:05 PM
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003CC7C93BAA37/
IN!
I went to one of those a few years back for the Stars. 2000 in fact. Everybody from work went. It was a good time in fact.
Leighton Barracks? I was on there a few times - met a few Army guys over there. There was a castle on the hill across the river (rebuilt from the War) and a big Bishop's residence in town. Nice little city.
This place was the ****, the gardens were incredible.
http://www.fidella.com/photojournals/Neal2000/images/jimpics/strube113.jpg
dolemitesooner
6/8/2006, 08:08 PM
Lets Go heat!!!!!
what was that sound they introduced the heat to, what beat was it from? its stuckin my mind now..
ugh sorry, song even, not sound.
dolemitesooner
6/8/2006, 08:46 PM
bOOM ...hOW ABOUT THAT TURNOVER AT THE END OF THE FIRST QAURTER...bOOM HEAT UP ...HERE WE GO HEAT HERE WE GO
Jeez, someone get ME a f'in jersey and put me in. I can miss ten wide-open jumpers and not play defense worth a damn.
Actually, I'd probably f*ck around and actually MAKE a shot or two...
Oh, DAMN! Stack just got MESSED UP!!!
DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIRK!!!!
Man, all we needed was for me to leave work, haul *** home, and make fun of our first quarter performance in this thread. :D
dolemitesooner
6/8/2006, 09:24 PM
GOOD half heat come on
GOOD first quarter heat come on
fixed it for you. :D
dolemitesooner
6/8/2006, 09:32 PM
fixed it for you. :D
i WILL KILL YOU:mad: :O :D
OHHHHHH, CLEAN BLOCK!!!!!!
YOU SUCK, REF!!!! DIEDIEDIE!!! :mad:
There's a lot of good posting action going on here. Good work, everyone.
Gah.
King Crimson
6/8/2006, 10:26 PM
Jason Terry already has 11 more points than he did all-game against Alex Spaulding in the 1999 NCAA tournament.
Heh. :D
He is, dare I say...ON FIRE!!!
Boarder
6/8/2006, 10:31 PM
You talking about the block where they smacked Shaq in the head?
It was a clean block.
Superman Returns......cool
Nope, the block where it was all ball, all the time. The refs just called it a foul because they were like, "Well, I thought people ALWAYS foul!"
;)
Man, this is starting to look like Game 1 of the West finals...not good. :(
Doleo, I thought I saw you at the Hollywood theater in Norman today.
It's time for....Hack-A-Damp? :confused:
:D
I almost feel bad using the "noonan" on Shaq at the free throw line.
ALMOST. :D
MAVS WIN! MAVS WIN!!!
W00T!!!!!! :D
jk the sooner fan
6/8/2006, 10:56 PM
[Marv Albert] YESSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHH[/Marv Albert]
GrapevineSooner
6/8/2006, 10:58 PM
It wasn't a Picasso, from both teams (especially 'toine, 'toine, the turnover machine), to the refs, to Hubie Brown.
But I'll take it.
GrapevineSooner
6/9/2006, 12:06 AM
Stat of the Night:
Shaq and Wade outscore Dirk and Howard, 45-26.
And the Heat still lose by 10.
colleyvillesooner
6/9/2006, 07:55 AM
Stat of the Night:
Shaq and Wade outscore Dirk and Howard, 45-26.
And the Heat still lose by 10.
That is BAD NEWS for the Heat. And the out rebounded Dallas.
Sooner95
6/9/2006, 08:20 AM
Is it me, or is anyone else not like the fact tha it will take the NBA bout 2 weeks to play 7 games (if it goes that far). What is so special about playing only NBA final games on Tues, Thurs and Sun? Why can't they play on a Fri or Sat so perhaps more people could stay up and watch these 4 hr contests?
Anyhow, good start Dallas, good luck in Game 2.
What a fun game...
and Heat, you in trouble if you can only score 80.
Mavs in 6
BeetDigger
6/9/2006, 08:47 AM
[Marv Albert] YESSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHH. Now, bring out the latex, jell-o, midget and german shepard and lets have what I call Thursday Night.[/Marv Albert]
Fixed it for you. :texan:
BTW, Stuart "floaty eye" Scott is the most annoying ESPN reporter EVER.
BeetDigger
6/9/2006, 08:53 AM
Is it me, or is anyone else not like the fact tha it will take the NBA bout 2 weeks to play 7 games (if it goes that far). What is so special about playing only NBA final games on Tues, Thurs and Sun? Why can't they play on a Fri or Sat so perhaps more people could stay up and watch these 4 hr contests?
It is part of Stern's grand plan of revenue enhancement/maximization. It allows him more time during the playoffs to manipulate player movement while working with TNT and ESPN broadcasting executives to ensure he gets the ad revenue algorithms optimized. He is busily working on his latest project - how to move Kevin Garnett to New Jersey as well as how to move a couple of the Clippers over to the Lakers. Next year, he will focus his attention on getting Carmelo Anthony to Boston and LeBron to the Knicks. And if you think this is 100% tongue in cheek, then you haven't paid attention to the NBA in the last 20 years.
colleyvillesooner
6/9/2006, 08:53 AM
BTW, Stuart "floaty eye" Scott is the most annoying ESPN reporter EVER.
By. A. Mile.
BeetDigger
6/9/2006, 08:55 AM
Dear Voice Gods - can you please render Hubie Brown a permanent mute? TIA.
You're only hatin' on Hubie because you didn't have to suffer through a full quarter of Jack "I'm not dead yet?!?" Ramsey on ESPN Radio. :mad:
BeetDigger
6/9/2006, 09:46 AM
You're only hatin' on Hubie because you didn't have to suffer through a full quarter of Jack "I'm not dead yet?!?" Ramsey on ESPN Radio. :mad:
For me, Jack is the lesser of two evils. My hating of Hubie goes back 20 years. I'll take the ESPN or TNT hacks over either of those two any day.
NormanPride
6/9/2006, 10:15 AM
Good game. Home court helped the Mavs weather the last surge from the Heat, and the little General's coaching is Pop-esque, as usual. Riley looked confused.
Mavs benefitted from a loosely-called game. Being able to hound Wade when he drove is what killed their offense. If they start calling fouls when he drives in, you guys are completely screwed. Personally, I think that's the way the NBA should always call it when guards drive. They know they're getting into the paint and risking getting bumped around. Don't call a foul just because there's contact. There's ALWAYS contact. J-Ho did not do as well against Wade as I thought he would.
BeetDigger
6/9/2006, 10:22 AM
Riley looked confused.
He keeps looking around on the bench for Magic and Worthy. :D
colleyvillesooner
6/9/2006, 11:40 AM
Something I never though I'd see:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5760/court2zt.jpg
there is a really good pic of don carter and cuban on the dmn site, they both look so excited to finally have a finals in Dallas... cool pic.
colleyvillesooner
6/9/2006, 11:57 AM
there is a really good pic of don carter and cuban on the dmn site, they both look so excited to finally have a finals in Dallas... cool pic.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7159/cuban4lw.jpg
hurricane'bone
6/9/2006, 11:58 AM
Something I never though I'd see:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5760/court2zt.jpg
I will freely admit...it got a little dusty when I saw the trophy on the court
Jack Ramsey has forgotten more basketball than all the rest of them put together will ever know.
BeetDigger
6/9/2006, 12:12 PM
there is a really good pic of don carter and cuban on the dmn site, they both look so excited to finally have a finals in Dallas... cool pic.
Are you sure that their excitement is over the finals? :texan:
Are you sure that their excitement is over the finals? :texan:
yeah, because the finals are adding tens of millions to their wallet. :D
(carter still owns a very small minority share, so does perot jr.)
BeetDigger
6/9/2006, 12:30 PM
yeah, because the finals are adding tens of millions to their wallet. :D
(carter still owns a very small minority share, so does perot jr.)
Whatever you say. If you ask me, they look pretty "fond" of each other. :D
GrapevineSooner
6/9/2006, 01:27 PM
Open letter to TO,
Pick a side to root for and stick with them. None of this 'I'm friends with Jason Terry but I'm wearing Shaq's jersey' crap.
Brad Wilkerson made no bones about the fact during an interview on BaD Radio that he's pulling for Miami simply because he's from South Florida.
I've got no problem with that. He has more backbone than TO does.
jk the sooner fan
6/9/2006, 01:36 PM
damn.....cuban wearing a collared shirt, he got all dressed up
this could be over in 5 games...if we win game 2 in commanding fashion, we may win it in miami
i just dont think they're deep enough to compete
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7159/cuban4lw.jpg
I wish I knew how to quit you!
:D
BajaOklahoma
6/9/2006, 06:20 PM
damn.....cuban wearing a collared shirt, he got all dressed up
I happened to have the TV on this morning when a show that I refuse to name came on. Before I got the channel changed, there was Mark Cuban, the actor, all dressed up as a groomsman in the show's wedding.
He was the best-looking guy there.
Sooner95
6/9/2006, 10:11 PM
It is part of Stern's grand plan of revenue enhancement/maximization. It allows him more time during the playoffs to manipulate player movement while working with TNT and ESPN broadcasting executives to ensure he gets the ad revenue algorithms optimized. He is busily working on his latest project - how to move Kevin Garnett to New Jersey as well as how to move a couple of the Clippers over to the Lakers. Next year, he will focus his attention on getting Carmelo Anthony to Boston and LeBron to the Knicks. And if you think this is 100% tongue in cheek, then you haven't paid attention to the NBA in the last 20 years.
No, I hear ya and know this. Just sad, becuase outside of Dtown and Southbeach no one could give a frak about the NBA Finals.. Least back in the 80's Everyone cared about Boston/Lakers.. it will never be that good again.
AllAboutThe'O'
6/10/2006, 12:22 AM
We've waited, in some cases, 26 years for this day to happen. And in doing so, have suffered through watching what arguably was the worst professional sports franchise in the 90's while watching our neighbors to the south in Houston and San Antonio battle for Western Conference and sometimes NBA supremacy.
Yes, for those of us who remember the Mike Iuzzolino/Popeye Jones salad days, this is definitely a treat.
BeetDigger
6/11/2006, 07:32 PM
No, I hear ya and know this. Just sad, becuase outside of Dtown and Southbeach no one could give a frak about the NBA Finals.. Least back in the 80's Everyone cared about Boston/Lakers.. it will never be that good again.
Actually, that can be said about many of the finals from the last 10 years or so (ever since Jordan retired from the Bulls for the second time). I think that people tuned into the Shaq/Kobe Lakers championship series, but I am not sure that had as broad of appeal as some of the Bulls runs or the Lakers/Celtics runs.
To be fair though, I think that the same is true for baseball (especially when the Yankees are not in it) and in the NHL too. Football playoffs and the Superbowl always gets tons of viewers, but certain matchups do better than others.
In all honesty, we all watch too many sports. Instead of watching them, we should be out playing them. Our hearts would thank us. :D
DUDE, THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!
OUinFLA
6/11/2006, 10:54 PM
the Mavs just have it all together, and the Heat look like they finished playing about two weeks ago.
Just to clarify my bet on SO about this series, I dont really care if Miami wins or not, I enjoy good basketball games. So far, Miami is not helping make it much of a game through the first two contests.
This is kinda reminding me of the finals where Orlando was playing Houston. I was a huge Orlando fan back then and the 4-0 sweep by Houston was very depressing. Oh, and Shaq was the starting center for Orlando back then as well. :(
hurricane'bone
6/11/2006, 10:56 PM
96 f'n minutes....
I hope the AAC crowd waves a proper goodbye to the Mavs, 'cause the next time Dallas sees these guys will be at the parade. :D
GrapevineSooner
6/12/2006, 12:28 AM
I hope the AAC crowd waves a proper goodbye to the Mavs, 'cause the next time Dallas sees these guys will be at the parade. :D
I originally said Dallas in six.
After the first two here in Dallas, I wouldn't be the least surprised to see them win the next two to cap off the sweep.
In fact, if Dallas wins Tuesday, they'll sweep 'em on Thursday.
I think getting back to the home crowd and feeding off the energy of Gloria Estefan and thousands of screaming Cuban immigrants will probably inspire the Heat to play slightly less sucky. I've seen this six times with the Bulls...once you get to that middle third of the series where you're on the road, you can expect the home team to get at least one win.
Having said that, I agree with you. If we take Game 3, this thing's over in four. PREPARE TO RIOT, BITCHES!!! :D
jk the sooner fan
6/12/2006, 07:26 AM
how in the hell did this Heat team beat Detroit?
Well, the problem with building your team for the sole purpose of beating ONE team is that once you get past them...you're f*cked. :D
BeetDigger
6/12/2006, 08:40 AM
Well, the problem with building your team for the sole purpose of beating ONE team is that once you get past them...you're f*cked. :D
That hasn't hurt the Mavs now that they are past San Antonio. :D
I think that Tim Colishaw did a pretty good job analyzing these two teams in his article over the weekend in the DMN and one of the points in his analysis really stood out: Dallas was over .700 against the west this year while Miami was about .500. The disparity was actually higher than that, but I can't remember the numbers exactly. Miami went through the playoffs beating teams, other than Detroit, that really struggled against the West. Given the records and who they have played, it really stood out that the best team from the West is much better than the best team from the East.
jk the sooner fan
6/12/2006, 08:45 AM
one of the guys on the ticket pointed out that miami is the third best team the Mavs have faced in the playoffs...pretty telling
colleyvillesooner
6/12/2006, 09:05 AM
That hasn't hurt the Mavs now that they are past San Antonio. :D
Dallas just really wanted to beat SA, but they weren't groomed to beat them. They were groomed to play better defense.
I think that Tim Colishaw did a pretty good job analyzing these two teams in his article over the weekend in the DMN and one of the points in his analysis really stood out: Dallas was over .700 against the west this year while Miami was about .500. The disparity was actually higher than that, but I can't remember the numbers exactly. Miami went through the playoffs beating teams, other than Detroit, that really struggled against the West. Given the records and who they have played, it really stood out that the best team from the West is much better than the best team from the East.
Yeah, he was dead on. The Mavs are simply the better team.
BeetDigger
6/12/2006, 09:27 AM
I gotta say that I was really wrong about the Mavs and their roster. I did not think that they could win in the playoffs using 10 and 11 men. Turns out, I was wrong. Avery generally only uses eight a game, but it tends to be a different eight depending upon the situation. The only three that get the same amount of time, regardless of the opponent are Dirk, Terry and Howard. Stackhouse plays the sixth man role regardless of the opponent too. Other than that, the minutes and mix are unique. You just don't see that type of system used in the playoffs. Most teams go seven, maybe eight players deep in the playoffs and it is the same players and about the same amount of time for them, other than injuries or foul trouble. Damp got no time vs. the Suns, yet is playing major minutes in this series and has been very effective, for example.
colleyvillesooner
6/12/2006, 09:34 AM
I gotta say that I was really wrong about the Mavs and their roster. I did not think that they could win in the playoffs using 10 and 11 men. Turns out, I was wrong. Avery generally only uses eight a game, but it tends to be a different eight depending upon the situation. The only three that get the same amount of time, regardless of the opponent are Dirk, Terry and Howard. Stackhouse plays the sixth man role regardless of the opponent too. Other than that, the minutes and mix are unique. You just don't see that type of system used in the playoffs. Most teams go seven, maybe eight players deep in the playoffs and it is the same players and about the same amount of time for them, other than injuries or foul trouble. Damp got no time vs. the Suns, yet is playing major minutes in this series and has been very effective, for example.
It is a testament to how good a coach Avery is. He can throw a ton of different looks at you and seems to have a guy to insert to make any adjustment he needs.
BeetDigger
6/12/2006, 09:39 AM
It is a testament to how good a coach Avery is. He can throw a ton of different looks at you and seems to have a guy to insert to make any adjustment he needs.
Also a testament to the good job that Donnie has done. I was hoping some of that Donnie magic went with Kinky Vandeweghe but alas, he couldn't find a shooter even if he fell into a basketball court full of them.
NormanPride
6/12/2006, 10:28 AM
It is a testament to how good a coach Avery is. He can throw a ton of different looks at you and seems to have a guy to insert to make any adjustment he needs.
It's something he picked up with the Spurs, I think. It's just good coaching to have a contingency plan for all the different styles of play you'll see out there. That's why our series was so tight - we're basically the same team. :D You guys did to the Suns what we did to them last year, and it looks like you're handling the Heat the same way. Just remember last year's finals vs. the Pistons was two blowouts by us, two blowouts by them, then a three game series that was pretty close. Do not count your victories already. I'll say it again - D-Wade gets his fouls and this is an entirely different series.
colleyvillesooner
6/12/2006, 10:35 AM
I'll say it again - D-Wade gets his fouls and this is an entirely different series.
sniff, sniff. If's and buts.
:D
NormanPride
6/12/2006, 10:52 AM
sniff, sniff. If's and buts.
:D
Whoa, there. Don't get me wrong! I cheered as loud as anyone when Stack hit that three at the buzzer before the half. I want you guys to win big. I'm just saying if the officiating changes, get ready for a fight.
Gandalf_The_Grey
6/12/2006, 11:37 AM
I was watching the ECW PPV so I missed the front of the game. Someone told me that the National Anthem rivalled Roseanne's performance..hopefully they were exaggerating.
the Anthem was HORRIBLE LAST NIGHT.
ATTN Mavs front office, DO NOT BOOK an american idol LOSER.
BeetDigger
6/12/2006, 11:46 AM
I was watching the ECW PPV so I missed the front of the game. Someone told me that the National Anthem rivalled Roseanne's performance..hopefully they were exaggerating.
They were exagerating. It was one of the finalists from American Idol. I thought he had an interesting voice, but his rendition wore thin toward the end.
Gandalf_The_Grey
6/12/2006, 11:51 AM
It is the NBA finals!!! Couldn't they have gotten the winner, it isn't like this was the second game of Detroit Tigers, Kansas City Royals seires
GrapevineSooner
6/12/2006, 12:00 PM
the Anthem was HORRIBLE LAST NIGHT.
ATTN Mavs front office, DO NOT BOOK an american idol LOSER.
I think once it gets to the Finals, the NBA has more of a say as to who sings the anthem than the teams do.
Elliot sounded fine right until the middle where he tricked up the anthem just a little too much for my tastes.
colleyvillesooner
6/12/2006, 12:02 PM
I think once it gets to the Finals, the NBA has more of a say as to who sings the anthem than the teams do.
That's what I thought, but the Ticket this morning said Jamie Foxx wanted to do it, but the Mavs told him no thanks after receving his list of requests (private plane, rooms at the Mansion, etc).
That doesn't surprise me, since EVERYONE loves to "show their chops" and trick up the anthem. I call it "Star Searching the anthem", 'cause it reminds me of when Sam Harris and those guys would jam 38 different notes in one phrase, just to show that they could. And since AI is just the new Star Search, it makes sense that one of their clownshoes would f*ck up the anthem like that. :D
BeetDigger
6/12/2006, 12:50 PM
I finally did it last night - I turned down the sound on the TV and listened to the game on the radio. I just cannot stand Hubie Brown. The guy sucked as a coach, he sucks as an announcer. All I want is even handedness.
Scene - Mavs called for blocking.
HB - that is the toughest call in the NBA but as we slow it down, we see that the Mav was clearly not set and came up under Wade. It was a good call.
Scene - Heat go for block and knock Mav down
HB - As we slow it down, we see that the Mav got away with a push off there on the layup. It sounded worse than it was.
There were at least five or six others before I finally decided that if I am going to listen to homers, I might as well listen to the Mavs radio.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
colleyvillesooner
6/13/2006, 08:59 AM
Good, he's a sleep :D
Big game tonight.
If the Mavs win, it's a sweep. If Miami wins, it breathes a little life into the team.
I think the Mavs win, but closer than the others 101-98.
GrapevineSooner
6/13/2006, 10:14 AM
I think Wade and Shaq wake up for this one.
Wade gives a glimpse into the future while Shaq gives us good ol' days syndrome for a game.
Whether the Heat wins depends on if the Antoine "He's the James Worthy of the situation according to Scoop Jackson" Walker shows up, or the Antoine "The turnover and stupid shot taking machine" Walker shows up.
colleyvillesooner
6/13/2006, 10:21 AM
I think Wade and Shaq wake up for this one.
Wade gives a glimpse into the future while Shaq gives us good ol' days syndrome for a game.
Whether the Heat wins depends on if the Antoine "He's the James Worthy of the situation according to Scoop Jackson" Walker shows up, or the Antoine "The turnover and stupid shot taking machine" Walker shows up.
Shaw bouncing back wouldn't suprise me. Wade, not sold on yet. IF they both go crazy, it will be a very tight game. I have better faith in the Mavs role players than the Heats'.
jk the sooner fan
6/13/2006, 10:25 AM
i think deep down, the heat knows they cant win this series......that intangible will be the difference in a tight game
Scott D
6/13/2006, 10:34 AM
this series makes me sad...very very sad.
I hate Pat Riley.
This series makes me happy in my pants. The only way it could be MORE awesome would be if Shaq could get taken out my a falling piece of Skylab that took its damn sweet time getting down here. :D
King Crimson
6/13/2006, 08:03 PM
not an NBA fan.
colleyvillesooner
6/13/2006, 10:00 PM
Mavs Down 9 at halftime. It's all good though, just switched to the other lucky shirt:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9277/thdsc034131cs.jpg
And now it's 55-54 Mavs.
Your Welcome :D
colleyvillesooner
6/13/2006, 10:58 PM
2 crucial no calls on back to back plays, both push offs on Dampier.
Heat up 94-93 with 1:00 left.
Cmon lucky shirt :O
OUinFLA
6/13/2006, 11:07 PM
<cough> ahem <cough>
tulsaoilerfan
6/13/2006, 11:10 PM
<cough> ahem <cough>
No, more like the Fix was on, as usual; the non-call on Shaq on the push-off of Dampier was the play of the game
colleyvillesooner
6/13/2006, 11:11 PM
Nice game by Wade and the Heat. You can't expect to win when you score 7 points in the Final 6 mins.
That said, Wade made that amazing rebound on the dirk FT miss by going over Stack's back. Couple of very questionable calls, but that will happen.
I still think the Mavs win. You back a team into a hole, they come out fighting. The Mavs took the Heat's best shot in this game and were a few inches from knocking in that lob and heading to OT.
The league can't have this thing ending in four, now can they? Not with all those marketable superstars that they can parade out in front of America for a thrilling 6 or 7 game series. ;)
Besides, you KNOW the refs will be calling it in favor of the Heat for the games in Miami. Remember Elian? Remember how p*ssed off those gay Cubans got over that? Would YOU want to give them another reason to just stand around in the street outside some random dumpy house and be cranky and Latin? :D
C&CDean
6/13/2006, 11:18 PM
The league can't have this thing ending in four, now can they? Not with all those marketable superstars that they can parade out in front of America for a thrilling 6 or 7 game series. ;)
Besides, you KNOW the refs will be calling it in favor of the Heat for the games in Miami. Remember Elian? Remember how p*ssed off those gay Cubans got over that? Would YOU want to give them another reason to just stand around in the street outside some random dumpy house and be cranky and Latin? :D
I just watched (sorta) the last quarter. One word. Fix. I hate the NBA. Worser than soccer even. Just hurry up and get the ****ing season over. You too hockey.
OUinFLA
6/13/2006, 11:20 PM
It's looking like Dallas has the better team.
Dirk is impressive to say the least.
Avery appears to be one really great coach.
I suspect Mavs will win the series.
Like you said, Heat's back was against the wall, and they played their best. Mav's didnt play their best, but next game....................prolly will.
Hey, you saw a rare event tonight.........Shaq made more free throws than he missed.
:D
GrapevineSooner
6/13/2006, 11:20 PM
Couple of very questionable calls, but that will happen.
A couple? ;)
Granted, you can't expect to win scoring only 7 points in the final six minutes. That and the Heat getting hot down the stretch is what lost the game.
That having been said, I'd need three hands to count the number of mind numbingly blown calls tonight. To be sure, the Heat had their fair share of those kinds of calls go against them.
Dan Crawford and Ken Maurer aren't qualified to ref a high school game. Much less, an NBA Finals game.
GottaHavePride
6/13/2006, 11:25 PM
I just watched (sorta) the last quarter. One word. Fix. I hate the NBA. Worser than soccer even. Just hurry up and get the ****ing season over. You too hockey.
Now THIS I agree with. :D
and please, Dallas pounds Miami by 10-15 point in games 1 and 2, they go to Miami and the Heat can only just barely pull out a 2 point win? Dallas will win this series - tonight looked like an off night.
hurricane'bone
6/13/2006, 11:33 PM
Dan Crawford and Ken Maurer aren't qualified to ref a high school game. Much less, an NBA Finals game.
I've heard stern is thinking about bringing out Violet for game 4.
GrapevineSooner
6/13/2006, 11:38 PM
I don't think Stern is that stupid. :D
colleyvillesooner
6/13/2006, 11:40 PM
Dan Crawford and Ken Maurer aren't qualified to ref a high school game. Much less, an NBA Finals game.
Add this to the L column under Mavs Playoffs game headed by Crawford.
GrapevineSooner
6/13/2006, 11:44 PM
1-13 when he officiates a Mavs playoff game.
FWTW. :D
Of course, he didn't score 7 points down the stretch for Dallas.
But he did fail to see Gary Payton's travel just before the shot that gave Miami a 97-95 lead. :mad:
I think Cuban should put together a video montage of all the traveling calls that went uncalled tonight and send it to the league.
I just watched (sorta) the last quarter. One word. Fix. I hate the NBA. Worser than soccer even. Just hurry up and get the ****ing season over. You too hockey.
Amen.
What cracks me up is that people always point out that rasslin' is fixed, to which I always point out that it's just entertainment and OF COURSE the winners and losers are predetermined. It's just a TV show. THIS, on the other hand, is a legitimate sporting event, and yet you KNEW going in that Miami would "find a way to win", assuing the league that they get a Game 5 on Sunday...when there's not as much competing programming and they can drive up the ratings.
You know, if you were predisposed to believe such crazy conspiracy theories...:D
BeetDigger
6/14/2006, 09:08 AM
I used to think that I was the poster child for the NBA being just glorified All Star Wrestling. Cynics. You're all a bunch of cynics. :D
JohnnyMack
6/14/2006, 10:13 AM
1. The officiating was its usual inconsistent self.
2. Miami is a very poorly coached team.
3. Miami needs someone who can shoot the ball.
4. Miami needs to blow Antoine Walker out of the airlock and send him into the dark cold night that is outer space.
5. Dwayne Wade really is THAT good.
6. Dallas in 6.
soonerjoker
6/14/2006, 10:18 AM
mavs fans can put away their brooms.
colleyvillesooner
6/14/2006, 10:36 AM
Mavs fans can put away their brooms.
Dude, you should change your screename to "Brings nothing to Dallas sports threads" guy.
Thanks for this genius insight and the other golden nugget about the Rangers and the summer heat.
GottaHavePride
6/14/2006, 12:15 PM
5. Dwayne Wade really is THAT good.
True.
GrapevineSooner
6/14/2006, 12:31 PM
Dwayne Wade has the ability to be THAT good on some occasions.
Be CONSISTENTLY good?
Now that's another matter that we may not see the answer to until next season at least.
NormanPride
6/14/2006, 12:44 PM
Wade will injure himself into oblivion. That kid has no idea how hard it's going to be when all his injuries start adding up and he gets older. I'd say he can adapt to a different style of play, but you've seen how well he shoots the ball when it's more that 5 feet from the basket. :D
I watched this whole game and I just can't believe that Dallas choked without help. They weren't even playing that well and were completely dominating, despite what the score said. Miami had no idea how to control pace, there was no leadership on the court, and their D was pathetic. Beyond pathetic. If Dallas shoots like it did in the SA series, they win by 30.
Mavs in 5, and should have been 4.
BeetDigger
6/14/2006, 01:01 PM
Wade will injure himself into oblivion. That kid has no idea how hard it's going to be when all his injuries start adding up and he gets older. I'd say he can adapt to a different style of play, but you've seen how well he shoots the ball when it's more that 5 feet from the basket. :D
I watched this whole game and I just can't believe that Dallas choked without help. They weren't even playing that well and were completely dominating, despite what the score said. Miami had no idea how to control pace, there was no leadership on the court, and their D was pathetic. Beyond pathetic. If Dallas shoots like it did in the SA series, they win by 30.
Mavs in 5, and should have been 4.
Spot on.
Wade is going to be more like Grant Hill than Michael Jordan in five years given his style of play.
Dallas needed to just shoot the ball a few times during that last six minutes. They would make the extra pass, the guy would catch it, juke the defender, move in closer to the bucket, get run on by another defender, make a pass, then start the whole process over again. It would end with a wild 30 footer as the buzzer sounded.
And not to point our the obvious, and it is difficult to fault a guy who is shooting 94% from the line in the series, but what a bad time for a miss from the line. That FT, in spite of all the bad that happened during the last six minutes, would have likely sent the game to OT. The Mavs chance in OT would have been better than average.
colleyvillesooner
6/14/2006, 01:42 PM
Dallas needed to just shoot the ball a few times during that last six minutes. They would make the extra pass, the guy would catch it, juke the defender, move in closer to the bucket, get run on by another defender, make a pass, then start the whole process over again. It would end with a wild 30 footer as the buzzer sounded.
I know. I fully expected to see the denim shirt demon pacing the sidelines in Avery's place. If there's anyone that recognizes that style of play, it's a Sooner basketball fan. :D
And not to point our the obvious, and it is difficult to fault a guy who is shooting 94% from the line in the series, but what a bad time for a miss from the line. That FT, in spite of all the bad that happened during the last six minutes, would have likely sent the game to OT. The Mavs chance in OT would have been better than average.
No doubt in my find that if Dirk makes the FT, Wade hits a jumper at the buzzer. Just not our night.
colleyvillesooner
6/14/2006, 01:45 PM
Wade misses practice, but says he'll play in Game 4
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2484003
MIAMI -- Heat guard Dwyane Wade didn't practice Wednesday because of a left knee injury he sustained in Game 3 of the NBA Finals, but said he would play when the series resumes Thursday.
Wade, who had 42 points in Miami's 98-96 win over Dallas in Game 3, was driven to a news conference on a small yellow flatbed vehicle Wednesday afternoon so he wouldn't have to hobble halfway around the arena. He said the knee was sore and swollen, but didn't elaborate on the extent of the injury.
Wade will undergo treatment Wednesday and until game time Thursday night. He said he didn't expect a painkilling injection, which he's taken in each of the last two playoff seasons for various maladies.
"Going to bed at night and waking up, it's very stiff and very sore," Wade said. "The only thing I can continue to do is what I'm ordered to do, and that's a lot of icing. I'm confident in my training staff that they will get me as close as I can be to 100 percent by tomorrow night. So you know, I'm hoping."
He was injured early in the third quarter of Tuesday's win. Wade was defending Dallas' Adrian Griffin at the top of the key, then dropped down to help Antoine Walker when Josh Howard had the ball in the corner.
Howard cut to the middle of the lane and charged into Shaquille O'Neal -- who fell backward, his left shoulder slamming into Wade's left knee and immediately causing the Heat guard to writhe in pain with 10:41 left in the third quarter.
"That's a lot of weight," Wade said.
And while he hobbled a bit at times, Wade was healthy enough to score 15 points in the final quarter, sparking Miami from a 13-point deficit in the final 6½ minutes to beat Dallas and close to 2-1 in the series.
"Dwyane was great to win the game for them," Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki said Wednesday. "Now it's a series. It's a dogfight."
OUinFLA
6/14/2006, 02:46 PM
stick the needle in him, it's crunch time.
jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
6/14/2006, 03:06 PM
how dallas lost is beyond me. the heat are one of the dumbest basketball teams i've ever seen. the sequence where they were up by 10 in the second quarter and allowed dallas to cut it to 2 was just a perfect example.
heat up by 10
it started with the phantom foul on shaq (nothing new, the officiating sucks both ways).
heat up by 9
we then had a technical by payton and the second free throw
heat up by 7
jason williams then goes up and takes a quick 3 resulting in a fast break the other way. results in a 3 pointer.
heat up by 4
jason williams then throws the ball away at half court for a layup the other way
heat up by 2
dumb dumb dumb
outside of wade, shaq, mourning and posey, there just aren't any heat players that play smart. haslem might be up there if he could make a layup...
NormanPride
6/14/2006, 03:59 PM
I've never seen so many missed layups. Talk about all athleticism and no basketball skills!
GrapevineSooner
6/14/2006, 05:09 PM
Gregg Doyel agrees (http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/9496493).
I think.
BeetDigger
6/14/2006, 08:29 PM
Dammit. I saw on another board that some Heat fans are criticizing Hubie Brown. If western conference people think he has an eastern conference bias and eastern conference people think he has a western conference bias, then CBS will think that he is doing a good job.
I hate Hubie Brown. I have hated hearing him for the past 15 years. Please TV Gods, find it in your power to move Hubie to a radio station in a city far, far away from me. And while you are at it, please do not replace him with Bill Walton. TIA.
IronSooner
6/14/2006, 10:32 PM
outside of wade, shaq, mourning and posey, there just aren't any heat players that play smart. haslem might be up there if he could make a layup...
Pretty much. Haslem is a good asset when not in foul trouble, trick is keeping him that way, which has been rare lately. Jason Williams makes some dumbfounding attempts near the basket and is always good for a few turnovers that way. He and Wade both are pretty reliable in the turnover category really. I was kinda hoping for Miami to win one or two just to draw the series out (what the hell is there to watch after the finals?) but Dallas is going to own this series.
colleyvillesooner
6/14/2006, 10:57 PM
Going to the "Beat the Heat " watching Party at the AAC tomorrow night. They say 15,000 people showed up for Tuesdays game. I'll report back with pics tommorrow night, hopefully after a "W"
OUinFLA
6/14/2006, 11:02 PM
Huge interest here in the Tampa Bay area.
Sports story about last nights win was all of 15 seconds long.
Mostly about Wades health.
heh.
OUinFLA
6/15/2006, 10:01 PM
Y'all being awful quiet tonight?
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:05 PM
This is just embarassing.
It was nice to see somebody finally give a damn when Stack fouled Shaq. They need to hard foul Wade, too.
Madd Dawg
6/15/2006, 10:17 PM
anyone else think the 2-3-2 series format is stupid? you should not play 3 strait home games, thats a bigger advantage than having 4 at home, but seperated.
This is f*ckin' pathetic. Maybe we should suit up the autistic kid...at least he can make an open jumper, and he CAN'T be any worse on defense.
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:26 PM
8-0 run closes the deficit to 11 headed into the fourth.
At least that will keep them from being complacent on offense tonight. :D
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:29 PM
Getting hit in the face apparently isn't a foul anymore. :mad:
jk the sooner fan
6/15/2006, 10:31 PM
we just need to win one of these 3 games......if not tonite, then game 5 is huge, we just need one to get back home
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:31 PM
Next time there's a second left on the shot clock, know where Wade is and guard him. :mad:
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:34 PM
Dirk just doesn't have it tonight. :(
OUinFLA
6/15/2006, 10:35 PM
Dallas sure isnt giving up.
They are a great team and deserving to be in this series.
I heard of wearing retro uniforms, but bringing back the 90's Mavericks to dress up as the '06 Mavs is just plain silly.
If they can't turn this around in the next nine minutes, it may be too much for their seemingly fragile psyche to handle. They've never recovered from blowing Game 3, and Miami knows that.
jk the sooner fan
6/15/2006, 10:41 PM
can we take up a collection to help Dallas buy a bucket tonite
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:44 PM
I don't understand the mindset of an NBA official.
I don't understand how Shaq can basically put his elbow in somebody's grill and shove and it not be called a foul.
If he got called for half the fouls he actually commits, Shaq would foul out of every game by halftime.
I knew this one was pretty much a lost cause when we found a way to go 0-20 on ONE STINKIN' POSSESSION in the first half. I turned the radio call off after that pathetic attempt at basketball. :mad:
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:46 PM
This team needs a major crotch kick to it's manhood after this pitiful performance.
Or at the very least, a reach-around to go with the complete and total *ss-f*cking they've enjoyed the past two games...
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:52 PM
Get ready for the paint to peel in the lockerroom, guys.
You've certainly earned it. :mad:
Us Mavericks fans certainly didn't.
OUinFLA
6/15/2006, 10:52 PM
guys, this is not the same Dallas team I watched in games 1 & 2.
Then again, this is not the same Heat team either.
Ive never seen Shaq make as many free throws as in the last two games.
That dude has the uglyiest ft shot Ive ever seen. Been watching those shots since he played for Orlando.
SoonerStud615
6/15/2006, 10:56 PM
Wordscramble of the night:
CUFK CUFK CUFK CUFK CUFK CUFK!!!!!!
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 10:57 PM
Dirk fought so hard to shed the 'soft' label.
Well my German friend, that label's going to right back on if you and your teammates find some way to lose this series.
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 11:00 PM
I guess I can take solace in the fact San Antonio got drilled in Game 4 last year and still found a way to win Game 5.
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 11:03 PM
7 points.
That's all they managed to f***ing score in the fourth quarter tonight.
7 points.
:mad:
Needless to say, they'd better treat Game 5 like it's a Game 7. Because tonight wasn't just a loss. It was a sucker punch to this team's pride.
Nice NBA record they set tonight.
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 11:16 PM
3 for 22 from beyond the three-point line.
Madd Dawg
6/15/2006, 11:17 PM
In games 1 and 2, dirk drove to the basket nearly every play, but today pulled back for a jump shot every time. Boy needs to be more aggresive!!
If they lose Game 5, they lose the Finals. Simple as that.
colleyvillesooner
6/15/2006, 11:28 PM
Well, that Mavs watching party was a ****ing blast! :mad:
You cannot win shooting 31%.
I wish Avery would have said "Drive the ****ing hole, or I'll ****ing pull your *** out of the ****ing game. Oh, and if you shoot a three, I'm rippping your balls out after the game."
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 11:32 PM
I wish he'd tell them that ball rotation is the key to beating the zone.
They just seemed to be a step slower than the Heat.
Somehow, someway.
Well, driving to the hole doesn't do any good if you CAN'T MAKE A F*CKING LAYUP.
Absolutely disgraceful performance. If I've learned anything from this series, it's that no one is going to win the title. Someone's just going to f*ck around and lose it LESS than the other team. :mad:
GrapevineSooner
6/15/2006, 11:37 PM
F*** it, we're winning this damn series.
:mad:
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 08:06 AM
**** YEAH!!!!!
http://colleyvillesooner.com/stuff/BigMad.jpg
BeetDigger
6/16/2006, 08:53 AM
CVS - I am going to have to disagree with you on your view that game three was just not the Mavs night. Game FOUR was not the Mavs night. Losing game three could prove to be the killer for them. You can't let a game like that slip away. That said, the Mavs have yet to have a game comparable to about any of the games that they played against the Spurs or the Suns. The Heat claim "it's because of their defense". I think that the Mavs just have had three fair to good games followed by a real stinker. Mavs are due for a couple of good games.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 08:59 AM
The Heat claim "it's because of their defense". I think that the Mavs just have had three fair to good games followed by a real stinker. Mavs are due for a couple of good games.
Yep. I just hope our next couple of good games aren't a the start of next season.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 09:11 AM
Well, Miami has looked like two completely different teams at home and on the road. If there's any saving grace for the Mavericks right now, it's that Miami still has to prove they can win in Dallas.
Something they haven't done in several years if memory serves.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 09:34 AM
Well, Miami has looked like two completely different teams at home and on the road. If there's any saving grace for the Mavericks right now, it's that Miami still has to prove they can win in Dallas.
Something they haven't done in several years if memory serves.
Like the old adage goes, It's not a series until the road team wins a game.
JohnnyMack
6/16/2006, 09:39 AM
1. Why oh why is Jason Williams still playing professional basketball?
2. Daddy looked good last night.
3. Stackhouse is a bitch.
4. Miami finally started doing to Dallas what Dallas has been doing to Miami all series and Dirk looked very human (I'm also quite certain DN will be quite sore this morning after the beating he took).
5. If I hear anyone else complain about how the refs have it out for the Mavs I'll slap you. Miami got jobbed all night.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 10:05 AM
5. If I hear anyone else complain about how the refs have it out for the Mavs I'll slap you. Miami got jobbed all night.
Explain, please.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 10:06 AM
1 second after they went on sale.
Bull****. :mad:
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8000/mavs7wn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
soonerjoker
6/16/2006, 10:14 AM
mavs seem to have developed a little "humility".
BeetDigger
6/16/2006, 10:22 AM
Explain, please.
Exactly. From my perspective, the games have been pretty decently refereed. There have been some missed calls both ways and a few judgement calls that have gone both ways. In slow motion, the refs appear to have gotten many of the calls right. The fouls were pretty even last night but the Heat had 12 more FT attempts. Also, they were WAY under their average in turnovers, which includes traveling calls and such. If anything, the Heat got more calls based upon the stats. But in reality, it looked like the game was pretty evenly called.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 10:31 AM
mavs seem to have developed a little "humility".
http://hypeiv.flatsoda.com/images/captain.jpg
JohnnyMack
6/16/2006, 10:41 AM
Explain, please.
Mavs fans were crying that they had gotten jobbed in game 3 while in last nights game the refs did everything in their power to shut down Miami from halfway through the 3rd until halfway through the 4th quarter with every ticky tack call they could think of.
(I don't care who wins the series, and don't really even like the NBA, but that's how I see it).
mavs seem to have developed a little "humility".
If "humility" is code for "ineptitude", then yes they have. :(
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 11:42 AM
Exactly. From my perspective, the games have been pretty decently refereed. There have been some missed calls both ways and a few judgement calls that have gone both ways. In slow motion, the refs appear to have gotten many of the calls right. The fouls were pretty even last night but the Heat had 12 more FT attempts. Also, they were WAY under their average in turnovers, which includes traveling calls and such. If anything, the Heat got more calls based upon the stats. But in reality, it looked like the game was pretty evenly called.
Game 3 was probably the worst officiated game of the series with the clock malfunctions and all the phantom calls that Jack Nies, Ken Maurer, and Danny Crawford made.
I have little complaints about how Game 4 was officiated. Especially when Dick Bavetta let it be known he won't be taking no lip from nobody.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 11:50 AM
Mavs fans were crying that they had gotten jobbed
I wouldn't say we were jobbed by the refs in Game 3. Though the refs did miss a few calls down the stretch, including a travel on Payton's shot that put Miami up 97-95.
My biggest complaint was about the timing malfunctions that went uncorrected. It's one thing when you miss a call. You can't go back during the next play stoppage and correct that. But when the whistle blows for a foul at 47 seconds and the clock is allowed to go down to 43 seconds, make the damn correction.
It's simply inexcuseable not to.
while in last nights game the refs did everything in their power to shut down Miami from halfway through the 3rd until halfway through the 4th quarter with every ticky tack call they could think of.
For the most part, I thought the slew of offensive foul calls that were made were legit.
I also thought they made the right call on Stack's flagrant foul on Shaq. And I think it would be completely ridiculous if that foul earned Stack a suspension.
JohnnyMack
6/16/2006, 11:55 AM
For the most part, I thought the slew of offensive foul calls that were made were legit.
Those fouls are like speeding tickets. It's technically illegal, it just depends on whether or not the cop decides to give you a ticket for it when he sees you doing it.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 04:37 PM
Stackhouse is suspended for Game 5 for flagrant foul on Shaq. Details to come.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 04:39 PM
BS.
Absolute BS.
If the Mavericks win this series, I hope Cuban says something along the lines of 'despite Stu Jackson's best efforts, we're standing here today with the Larry O'Brien trophy.'
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 04:54 PM
Hopefully, this will light the fire.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 04:58 PM
If this doesn't galvanize this team, nothing will.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 05:00 PM
true....true....
dolemitesooner
6/16/2006, 05:07 PM
Stackhouse is suspended for Game 5 for flagrant foul on Shaq. Details to come.
Proably should be
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 05:09 PM
Then suspend Shaq for some of his fouls in this series.
Or Haslem for his foul on Terry.
dolemitesooner
6/16/2006, 05:09 PM
Lets Go heat!!!!!
Yeah this is from page 2 coolley sorry I am not around to post as much a you
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 05:20 PM
Yeah this is from page 2 coolley sorry I am not around to post as much a you
No problem. Apology accepted. ;)
dolemitesooner
6/16/2006, 05:34 PM
No problem. Apology accepted. ;)
Do you have mav season tickets?
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 05:35 PM
Do you have mav season tickets?
No, can't afford them, but I watched or listened to part of every game this season and attended a bunch of home games. Why?
dolemitesooner
6/16/2006, 05:36 PM
No, can't afford them, but I watched or listened to part of every game this season and attended a bunch of home games. Why?
Not a fan unless you have season tickets and you live in the same town...Bandwagon
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 05:37 PM
Not a fan unless you have season tickets and you live in the same town...Bandwagon
If I made enough to afford them, I would agree. Already got enough debt :D
dolemitesooner
6/16/2006, 05:39 PM
If I made enough to afford them, I would agree. Already got enough debt :D
bandwagon......:cool: I dont have enough money...and I hav e Ou football, and honets season tickets
sanantoniosooner
6/16/2006, 05:55 PM
suspension deserved.
Stack didn't even pretend to go after the ball.
tulsaoilerfan
6/16/2006, 05:59 PM
The NBA has become a wuss league; i remember the good old days when you could knock the crap out of someone and not get suspended; remember the Kevin McHale clothesline of Kurt Rambis in 84? If that happened today, McHale would be gone from the league for good.
John
sanantoniosooner
6/16/2006, 06:00 PM
Rambis =/= Shaq
You can't hammer a star and get away with it, especially if you aren't a star.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 06:16 PM
But a Star player can cause a three inch gash on your nose and hammer the other team's star player and get away with it.
sanantoniosooner
6/16/2006, 06:22 PM
The end result is not nearly as important and the obvious intention as far as I can tell from the way the NBA has done stuff in the past.
David Robinson was knocked unconcious by Karl Malones elbow one time. Did Karl get suspended? Even though everybody knows Malone throws elbows and knees, he made it look accidental.
Stack didn't even try to disquise his intent.
colleyvillesooner
6/16/2006, 06:56 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2487830
Johnson moves Mavs from Miami hotel
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
MIAMI -- Dallas Mavericks coach Avery Johnson has accused his team of falling into "a vacation mentality" ever since the NBA Finals moved from North Texas to the temptation-laden shores of South Beach.
"So I'm going to fix that," Johnson vowed.
How?
Johnson declined to reveal any specifics, but ESPN.com has learned that Step 1 was carried out before Johnson's lunchtime news conference Friday when the team moved from its downtown Miami hotel to a more remote location some 45 minutes away from AmericanAirlines Arena.
It's believed that the Mavs will be sequestered there until Sunday night's Game 5, except for a return trip to the AAA for practice and a mandatory media session Saturday.
"We just don't have the same focus that we've had throughout the playoffs," Johnson said of his Mavs, who have slipped from the verge of a 3-0 series lead into a 2-2 tie with the surging Heat after blowing a late 13-point lead in Game 3 and losing Thursday's Game 4 by a season-high 24 points.
"Again," Johnson said, "I'll take care of it."
Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here
Scott D
6/16/2006, 06:58 PM
I'd like to comment on what caused the suspension, but I've watched less than 3 minutes of the 4 games played so far. Besides, what injury is Wade going to come down with next? I'm sure his arm will fall off in the first half and he'll light up the Mavs for 20 in the second half after he has the trainers duct tape it back on.
he's so like jordan I'd almost believe he's mike's illegitimate son...he definitely spent enough time idolizing him growing up in chicago
OUinFLA
6/16/2006, 07:29 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2487830
that will teach them a thing or two. :D
http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/sacramento/golden.jpeg
OUinFLA
6/16/2006, 07:30 PM
Im kinda shocked at the suspension.
Shouldnt have happened IMO, but I havent been paying much attention to what the refs or league does on flagrants.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 09:41 PM
I'm sure Avery's gonna get suspended. But this all had to be said (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/nba/dallas_mavericks/14837894.htm).
Transcript from Avery Johnson interview
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF
Selected excerpts from Avery Johnson’s comments on Randy Galloway’s radio show on ESPN 103.3/FM Friday afternoon:
Do you stand by your comments from earlier today in the press conference?
"This is what I call ridiculous. The league is so inconsistent. I’ve been holding my tongue all year about the foolishness, just the foolishness that goes on there. They’re so inconsistent. I’m just embarrassed to have to deal with some of the things that I have to deal with. Because we are in a position we have no authority and we’re always reminded of that, we’re just coaches. It’s just a bunch of bologna, for lack of a better word. It’s just sickening.
"Our fans should be upset, our players will be. Mark is just humiliated. All of the stuff that players do to our teams, we’ve seen worse. DJ Mbenga puts a hard foul, LeBron James’ headband goes off, he got suspended.
"If Shaquille O’Neal does the same thing, he gets a slap on the wrist, the same thing DJ Mbenga did. I’ve seen it before. It’s been around forever. Certain players get royal treatment, and certain players don’t."
Mavs owner Mark Cuban has a certain reputation within the league. Would something like this be because of that reputation in high places in the NBA?
"I would sure hope not. Mark has been an asset to the NBA ... he’s been great for the game. Maybe some of his ways have been unorthodox ...
"If there is some truth to that, I hope certain people can’t even look at themselves in the mirror because it would be a disgrace."
Does the NBA give you a description of what went on and why they handed down the suspension?
"They make the decision. Just like when Jason Terry got suspended; we didn’t find out until 4-5 o’clock the day before we were going to play the game after we practiced. We don’t have a voice. We find out stuff after the fact. No rebuttal, no trial and jury, it’s just a judge.
"We’ll get the explanation after the fact. [Assistant General Manager] Keith [Grant] may talk to the league; but at the end of the day, the decision is made.
What is the impact on your team from a basketball standpoint?
"We’ve been in situations where we’ve had to regroup all year. On a personal level, I’ve been in worse and I’ve seen worse. My job is to get the team ready to play no matter who’s in uniform. We’re losing Stack, but we’ll get DJ Mbenga back tomorrow, and that’s six more fouls. This is a very resilient team, a very focused team. I hope this makes them much more focused and the right type of anger."
JohnnyMack
6/16/2006, 09:43 PM
The Mavs are either about to go Velveeta or sew this thing up. I don't see a game 7 happening.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 09:47 PM
I hope if they do win it, Cuban takes the trophy and tells Stern to shove it up his a**.
dolemitesooner
6/16/2006, 10:05 PM
i HOPE THEY CRUMBLE......go heat...lol
jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
6/16/2006, 11:07 PM
Then suspend Shaq for some of his fouls in this series.
Or Haslem for his foul on Terry.
terry made that foul a heck of a lot worse than it should have been with the chicken wing down low. to be honest, he's lucky it didn't get called an offensive foul as the wipe away has been the one thing the NBA has consistently called for the last 20 years.
i don't particularly like shaq, but i give him a lot of leeway with hard fouls. he gets the ever loving crap beat out of him on a nightly basis and does so with very few complaints. if they called fouls for shaq like they did for duncan several years ago, there would be 3 opposing centers DQ'd in the first half.
GrapevineSooner
6/16/2006, 11:50 PM
To be fair,
I don't honestly think Shaq's elbow on Dirk or his foul on Stack in Game 1 warranted a suspension. Nor do I think Haslem deserves a suspension for his foul on Terry.
I just want some consistency out of the NBA. And I'm not getting it with ridiculous suspensions like this one. Stu Jackson stuck his nose into a situation it didn't belong. As a result, one of the participants in the Finals is stuck at a disadvantage they don't deserve.
And as a fan, I'd rather this thing be decided with both teams at full strength. I'd be saying the same thing if it were Haslem hard fouling Dirk in a similar manner.
OUinFLA
6/17/2006, 07:19 AM
To be fair,
And as a fan, I'd rather this thing be decided with both teams at full strength. I'd be saying the same thing if it were Haslem hard fouling Dirk in a similar manner.
Amen to that.
soonerjoker
6/17/2006, 09:28 AM
to me, it's kinda funny. but then, i'm just a joker.
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