NBA Finals Thread: Mavs vs. Heat

[colleyvillesooner]

<sigh>

[soonerjoker]

si

[Scott D]

To be fair,

I don't honestly think Shaq's elbow on Dirk or his foul on Stack in Game 1 warranted a suspension. Nor do I think Haslem deserves a suspension for his foul on Terry.

I just want some consistency out of the NBA. And I'm not getting it with ridiculous suspensions like this one. Stu Jackson stuck his nose into a situation it didn't belong. As a result, one of the participants in the Finals is stuck at a disadvantage they don't deserve.


And as a fan, I'd rather this thing be decided with both teams at full strength. I'd be saying the same thing if it were Haslem hard fouling Dirk in a similar manner.

That's not on David Stern's agenda.

[BeetDigger]

That's not on David Stern's agenda.


For a guy that runs a sport that consistenly is questioned, I wonder why Stern continues to do things that add to the conspiricy theorists? I question soccer, and for good reason given the Italian soccer league issues, the background of the ref in the US-Italy match (come'on, the dude has been questioned/convicted of conspiricy in the past?), but I don't watch soccer so it doesn't bother me. I watch (albeit not a lot) of the NBA and the sport just has me shaking my head.

[Scott D]

For a guy that runs a sport that consistenly is questioned, I wonder why Stern continues to do things that add to the conspiricy theorists? I question soccer, and for good reason given the Italian soccer league issues, the background of the ref in the US-Italy match (come'on, the dude has been questioned/convicted of conspiricy in the past?), but I don't watch soccer so it doesn't bother me. I watch (albeit not a lot) of the NBA and the sport just has me shaking my head.

probably because in the time Stern's been in charge, he's managed to gain absolute power.

[Octavian]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4184/david20stern2027hx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jk the sooner fan]

thank god we dont have to listen to that miami public announcer again after tonite, their pre-game "deal" absolutely sucks

wtf is the guy at midcourt with the flags?

[colleyvillesooner]

I do not like that Crawford is the referee. Mavs are 1-13 in the Playoffs when he refs.

They are calling the game super tight so far.

Dirk missed two wide open looks already. I don't know what his deal is, but e better figure it out ASAP, or we'll get bounced, soon.

[AllAboutThe'O']

Mavs up by eight at the break.

Slight threadjack, but can ABC stop shoving those promos for that new fall series "The Nine" down our collective throats? It's bad enough having to endure the "Lost" promos, but at least I don't recall even "Lost" getting all this hype three months before its premiere. I hope "The Nine" goes the way of "Push, Nevada."
Just another reason to despise ABC and thank our lucky stars the BCS games (except the Rose Bowl) and Monday Night Football are no longer on that network.

[AllAboutThe'O']

thank god we dont have to listen to that miami public announcer again after tonite, their pre-game "deal" absolutely sucks

wtf is the guy at midcourt with the flags?
Yeah, the flag guy was a little too over the top.
As much as I despised the Bulls during the MJ days, one of the best things they ever did was the pre-game introductions when Alan Parsons Project's "Sirius" played and Ray Clay announced the starters. No fireworks, no fire, no confetti, no special effects, just the lights going out and the snorting bull logo on the Jumbotron.

[colleyvillesooner]

Heat get first team foul with 2:24 to go in the quarter. They've been shooting the bonus since 5:50.

[Ground_Attack]

according to ESPN, the foul shots are at:

Dallas 9
Miami 36

WOW.

[AllAboutThe'O']

according to ESPN, the foul shots are at:

Dallas 9
Miami 36

WOW.
I smell conspiracy theory.

[Ground_Attack]

its been that way every game in Miami. Shaq can stiff arm a Mav but they can't even block Wade's shot cleanly without getting a foul.

[IronHorseSooner]

according to ESPN, the foul shots are at:

Dallas 9
Miami 36

WOW.

That'a about a crock, but Wade and Shaq do go to the line a lot anyway. Avery Johnson did have a legitimate beef with Harris getting mugged (no call) and the call on the other end...I, too, absolutely hate the 2-3-2 format. It's like the league wants there to be game 7s for ratings and $$$.

[Ground_Attack]

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That'a about a crock, but Wade and Shaq do go to the line a lot anyway. Avery Johnson did have a legitimate beef with Harris getting mugged (no call) and the call on the other end...I, too, absolutely hate the 2-3-2 format. It's like the league wants there to be game 7s for ratings and $$$.

I agree. I see no logical reason (other than money) that a team should have home-court advantage and be down 3-2 in the series if both teams protect their own court. I am in favor of the 2-2-1-1-1

[GrapevineSooner]

Actually, it's Dan Crawford that the Mavs have that 1-13 record against.

But the way the refs have been sending the Heat on a parade to the free throw line, he might as well be officiating.

[bri]

Dear Devin Harris,

PLEASE make a f*ckin' layup.

Signed,
Everyone

[Ground_Attack]

at least they are calling some fouls ON miami now but they are continuing to call every F'in blink by the Mavs. what a cheesejob.

[jk the sooner fan]

i think wade just decided to take over this game

jeezus.....

[bri]

Dwayne Wade PWNZ us. :(

[Ground_Attack]

nice flop attempt by DW

[AllAboutThe'O']

Hey Heat,

DAVID HASSELHOFF THIS

[jk the sooner fan]

if the heat are smart, they'll keep shaq off the floor for this last 10 seconds, if they dont

foul him immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ground_Attack]

Dampier with the HUGE dunk

[bri]

Heh.

NICE pass and dunk!

[dolemitesooner]

I want wades baby

[bri]

Jeezus, can someone just put a knee in the side of Wade's leg or something? I'm not saying cripple the guy...just give him the rest of the night off. :D

[dolemitesooner]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!1

[jk the sooner fan]

why didnt they foul shaq and put him on the line???????

friggin OT, i cant take this

[dolemitesooner]

Man wade is making me cry he is such a ****ing player....my ohh my

[GrapevineSooner]

Nice offensive foul by Wade on that game tying shot.

Not to say he hasn't played great, but...


BTW, you can't foul Shaq if he doesn't have the ball within two minutes. You do and the Heat can send anyone they want to the line.

[Ground_Attack]

free throws:

Dallas 19
Miami 47

[dolemitesooner]

Come on heat ...come on heat...

[dolemitesooner]

Nice offensive foul by Wade on that game tying shot.

Not to say he hasn't played great, but...


BTW, you can't foul Shaq if he doesn't have the ball within two minutes. You do and the Heat can send anyone they want to the line.
and they get the ball

[colleyvillesooner]

Nice offensive foul by Wade on that game tying shot.

Not to say he hasn't played great, but...


.

You think Crawford is going to call that on the blossoming superstar?? **** no.

Oh and Wade has made as many FT's as Dallas has attempted

[dolemitesooner]

free throws:

Dallas 19
Miami 47
The game has been a little unfarly called I think and I am a heat fan ...But miami has taken to the rack more and somtimes you have to beat the leauge and the other team

[AllAboutThe'O']

Why don't we just make it one against five?

Dwayne Wade vs. the entire Dallas Mavericks.

[jk the sooner fan]

great time to go cold on the shooting, in ot....

[bri]

Heh, it pretty much is.

I'm amazed he missed that last jumper.

[AllAboutThe'O']

The earth just fell off its axis - Dwayne Wade has missed a shot.

[Scott D]

Jeezus, can someone just put a knee in the side of Wade's leg or something? I'm not saying cripple the guy...just give him the rest of the night off. :D

you do that he'll drop 45 on you the next game ;)

[GrapevineSooner]

Shaq throws an elbow into the grill of Harris.

Think he'll get suspended for it?

Me neither.

[bri]

you do that he'll drop 45 on you the next game ;)

Well hell, I've lost a step or two the last few years...ANYONE can drop 45 on me. ;)

[GrapevineSooner]

And to be fair, it looked Howard sold that call that got Shaq his fifth foul.

Of course, we can't take advantage at the line. :mad:

[Scott D]

Well hell, I've lost a step or two the last few years...ANYONE can drop 45 on me. ;)

there's hope for doleo yet ;)

[bri]

there's hope for doleo yet ;)

ALMOST anyone. :D

[Scott D]

I predict in the first quarter of game 6 Dwayne Wade's left arm will fall off, but he'll still put up 30 points ;)

[GrapevineSooner]

This is ****ing bull****!!!

[SoonerStud615]

HOWARD WTF!!!!!!!?????!!!!?!?!?!?!

[GrapevineSooner]

Wade grabs Howards shorts on the drive and he wasn't even touched on the way to the rim.

I hope Joe Crawford can live with himself after this awful performance.

What a farce the NBA has become!!!

[bri]

Well, THAT was the dumbest thing ever.

Mavs are F*CKED now. :(

[GrapevineSooner]

**** you David Stern

[Scott D]

well Mav fan I would ask you if you wanted him kneecapped, but he'd just score 60.

[bri]

This thing is OVER. Heat will finish it off in 6...the most colossal collapse in the HISTORY of the league.

F*cking disgraceful.

[dolemitesooner]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[bri]

well Mav fan I would ask you if you wanted him kneecapped, but he'd just score 60.

And 58 of them would come from the f*ckin' foul line.

[dolemitesooner]

hahahahahahahha

[AllAboutThe'O']

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Ain't over yet. You lose homecourt advantage now.

[dolemitesooner]

YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES1111111

[Scott D]

to be fair I'm impressed with the four steps without dribbling Wade took on that last 'play' where he got 'fouled'. Maybe when Stern dies from his gluttony of power the league will impliment calling travelling again.

[dolemitesooner]

Ain't over yet. You lose homecourt advantage now.
I know dallas is still going to win I think its going to be rough....But wade is amazing and Miami has to just win 1

[Big Red Ron]

heh

[bri]

Is anyone else enjoying the irony of doleo bandwagoning the Heat after accusing everyone else of doing the same? No? Just me? Okay.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Wow, just wow;the refs bail out Wade on that play by calling a foul on Dirk? UNREAL!!!!!!:mad: :mad:

[dolemitesooner]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/basketball/nba/specials/playoffs/2006/06/15/heat.mavericks.ap/p1_wade-getty.jpg

[tulsaoilerfan]

free throws:

Dallas 19
Miami 47
Stat of the season. :mad:

[Big Red Ron]

I just love the fact that Kobe has the same seat as me, while Shaq is getting another Championship.

[AllAboutThe'O']

Wow, did anyone see Dirk go nuts after the game? Kicked a ball into the stands and almost went Artest on an exercise bike in the hallway.
Shades of Bob Lilly after Super Bowl V.

[OUinFLA]

holy carp!
you suppose that guy who called the time out might be flying home "commercial"?

Im still thinking Mavs will win 2 in Dallas.

Nowatski may be one of the greatest players of the decade. Dude can hit from anywhere.

[GrapevineSooner]

I know dallas is still going to win I think its going to be rough....But wade is amazing and Miami has to be given one more win by the NBA

Fixed.

[dolemitesooner]

Is anyone else enjoying the irony of doleo bandwagoning the Heat after accusing everyone else of doing the same? No? Just me? Okay.
I am not a ****ing Bandwagon fan......:D Just beacuse dallas lost the first thing once again is "BANDWAGON"

cALL ME WHAT YOU WILL BRI.

I like Miami

I also think dallas is still going to win and had some bs calls against them in this game...

But cry away beoncye

[JohnnyMack]

I'm to the point I hope Miami wins this thing cause I'm tired of all you Dallas fans whining about how the league is out to get you.

That and I'm tired of seeing Dirk do that "grrrr" mean face every time he scores.

[tulsaoilerfan]

Wow, did anyone see Dirk go nuts after the game? Kicked a ball into the stands and almost went Artest on an exercise bike in the hallway.
Shades of Bob Lilly after Super Bowl V.
I don't blame him after that chicken**** foul call on him:mad: :mad: :mad:

[dolemitesooner]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/basketball/nba/specials/playoffs/2006/06/14/wade.ap/t1_wade1.jpg

[tulsaoilerfan]

Fixed.
Yup, this series sure is

[dolemitesooner]

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/06/14/PH2006061400174.jpg

[AllAboutThe'O']

**** you David Stern
Why couldn't he retire instead of Tagliabue?
David Stern has to be the most overrated commissioner in the history of professional sports. He just rode the Bird-Magic-Jordan gravy train and the league was better because of those players, not because of what Stern did.

[Big Red Ron]

I just love the fact that Kobe has the same seat as me, while Shaq is getting another Championship.:texan:

[colleyvillesooner]

to be fair I'm impressed with the four steps without dribbling Wade took on that last 'play' where he got 'fouled'. Maybe when Stern dies from his gluttony of power the league will impliment calling travelling again.

Un****ing believeable. He pushes Terry Down, grabs howard and still get's the call.

[dolemitesooner]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41772000/jpg/_41772824_wade_al203.jpg

[tulsaoilerfan]

Why couldn't he retire instead of Tagliabue?
David Stern has to be the most overrated commissioner in the history of professional sports. He just rode the Bird-Magic-Jordan gravy train and the league was better because of those players, not because of what Stern did.
So true

[dolemitesooner]

Un****ing believeable. He pushes Terry Down, grabs howard and still get's the call.
That was retarded ....but thats what great players do ...they get the calls ..I hate it But it happens

[tulsaoilerfan]

I'm to the point I hope Miami wins this thing cause I'm tired of all you Dallas fans whining about how the league is out to get you.

That and I'm tired of seeing Dirk do that "grrrr" mean face every time he scores.
Well, you can talk about how they took the ball to the hole, etc, but when one team shoots 30 more free throw than the other, it makes you wonder.

[colleyvillesooner]

I'm to the point I hope Miami wins this thing cause I'm tired of all you Dallas fans whining about how the league is out to get you.

That and I'm tired of seeing Dirk do that "grrrr" mean face every time he scores.

Don't you have a hockey game to go watch and help to a 1.5 rating? :D

[dolemitesooner]

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/img/news/200605301343_nba-vb.jpg

[colleyvillesooner]

That was retarded ....but thats what great players do ...they get the calls ..I hate it But it happens

Yes, they get the calls, but don't ignore his two fouls on the way to the hole, then let the game be decided at teh stripe.

[GrapevineSooner]

I'm to the point I hope Miami wins this thing cause I'm tired of all you Dallas fans whining about how the league is out to get you.

That and I'm tired of seeing Dirk do that "grrrr" mean face every time he scores.
Bull**** foul call with 1.9 seconds left in OT?

Naw, there can't be a conspiracy against the Mavs.

[JohnnyMack]

Don't you have a hockey game to go watch and help to a 1.5 rating? :D

Did you watch game 6?

It was teh awesome.

And I'm doing my Dirk "grrrrrrr" face while I negspek you.

:P

[dolemitesooner]

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/photo/62006/m45799.jpg

[colleyvillesooner]

I do not like that Crawford is the referee. Mavs are 1-13 in the Playoffs when he refs.

make it 1-14

[dolemitesooner]

Dwaye wade is not Jordan...but he is close

[bri]

I am not a ****ing Bandwagon fan......:D Just beacuse dallas lost the first thing once again is "BANDWAGON"

cALL ME WHAT YOU WILL BRI.

I like Miami

I also think dallas is still going to win and had some bs calls against them in this game...

But cry away beoncye


Not a fan unless you have season tickets and you live in the same town...Bandwagon

Dude, at least the collective known as "Mav fan" live in the same f*ckin' TIME ZONE as the team we're rooting for...Bandwagon.

:D

[tulsaoilerfan]

Bull**** foul call with 1.9 seconds left in OT?

Naw, there can't be a conspiracy against the Mavs.
What about the foul call Wade got on the 3 point play with a minute or so left and Dallas up by 4? Didn't think there was enough contact to call that one either based on all the stuff they let go on tonight

[JohnnyMack]

Bull**** foul call with 1.9 seconds left in OT?

Naw, there can't be a conspiracy against the Mavs.

DWade got mugged out high. Shoulda called it at that point.

[dolemitesooner]

ITS A GREAT DAY TO BE A HEAT FAN i SAID A GREAT DAY TO BE A HEAT FAN

[colleyvillesooner]

Did you watch game 6?

It was teh awesome.

And I'm doing my Dirk "grrrrrrr" face while I negspek you.

:P

Yeah, I watched it. It was a blowout. But you didn't see me in there ****ting on hockey. Just save the smart *** comments for tomorrow, cause most of us are way too ****ed right now. deal? :D

[tulsaoilerfan]

make it 1-14
That is amazing; how far does this go back?

[AllAboutThe'O']

ITS A GREAT DAY TO BE A HEAT FAN i SAID A GREAT DAY TO BE A HEAT FAN
May not be so great come Tuesday and Thursday.;)

[JohnnyMack]

Yeah, I watched it. It was a blowout. But you didn't see me in there ****ting on hockey. Just save the smart *** comments for tomorrow, cause most of us are way too ****ed right now. deal? :D

:P

Imma go "tape up my stick".

[colleyvillesooner]

That is amazing; how far does this go back?

15 games. ;)

[dolemitesooner]

Dude, at least the collective known as "Mav fan" live in the same f*ckin' TIME ZONE as the team we're rooting for...Bandwagon.

:D

Originally Posted by dolemitesooner
You didnt call me on my **** and you weren't right. People keep calling me a bandwagon fan and it seems to be the only comeback people have. No one can say

"Man they look could they could win it"
or
"Sorry Doleo my team is going to win Miami aint got much gas in the tank"

No its " Your a bandwagon fan and I am the only real ****ing fan on this whole board"

This is why I hate ****ing 90% of you soonerfans. Cause your all ****ing banwagon fans. The same ones that ran off Kelvin, the same ones that all of the sudden are supporting the baseball team and post in the baseball forums. And the same ****ing idiots whole call in to the sports animal everyday and give OU a bad name. I am sick it it.

I have said multiple ****ing times I think Dallas is a pretty good ****ing team. I have said they are proably going to beat Miami in 7.

So now that I have given your """Team""" props. Can I say "Go heat"

I guess not that makes me a "'bangwagon fan""..

[tulsaoilerfan]

DWade got mugged out high. Shoulda called it at that point.
Right. :rolleyes:

[tulsaoilerfan]

15 games. ;)
Damn, you are so funny colley. :eek: :D Hook 'em

[dolemitesooner]

Dude, at least the collective known as "Mav fan" live in the same f*ckin' TIME ZONE as the team we're rooting for...Bandwagon.

:D
hEY ALSO BRI ...iTS SUCKS THAT "YOUR TEAM" lOST


I am a miami dolphins fan and a florida marlins fan

we aint been so great the last few years......So let me have a little fun when my team wins...When dallas was 2-0 I didnt say ****

[dolemitesooner]

DWade got mugged out high. Shoulda called it at that point.
He did

[colleyvillesooner]

hEY ALSO BRI ...iTS SUCKS THAT "YOUR TEAM" lOST


I am a miami dolphins fan and a florida marlins fan

we aint been so great the last few years......So let me have a little fun when my team wins...When dallas was 2-0 I didnt say ****

And we didn't fill up the thread with Mavericks pictures. :D

[dolemitesooner]

Ohh man one more game its going to be so hard to get it.

Stack will proably go off for like 30 in game 6

[dolemitesooner]

And we didn't fill up the thread with Mavericks pictures. :D
I did I am happy:O sorry

[colleyvillesooner]

Ohh man one more game its going to be so hard to get it.

Stack will proably go off for like 30 in game 6

I bet you 5 bucks Stack doesn't get 20

[bri]

Dude, what the f*ck ever. I'm not a Mavs diehard, but I'm not a "bandwagon" either. I'm not crushed or angry that they lost, even though they got hosed by the spotty officiating in Miami. All I know is, you were a "witness" two rounds ago, then when the Cavs got bounced by the Pistons, you started humping the Heat to annoy Scott.

Besides, I'm just pointing out the idocy of you aggy-like "not a fan unless you live in the city and own season tickets" comment. There's no need for an incoherent, Morse Code-filled rant, slappy. :D

[GottaHavePride]

1. I think allowing a team to advance the ball by calling a timeout is possibly the worst rule ever. Who the hell came up with that one?

2. What was the point of Dallas starting to throw fouls on Shaq in OT? The ball was way out past the 3-point line - basically where it was going to be inbounded from - it wouldn't send Shaq to the line so he could clank a couple and give the ball back to Dallas... Basically all it did was get a couple of Mavs closer to fouling out and give the Heat time to organize an inbounds play. Why not save the fouls so the Heat wouldn't have been shooting by the end of OT?

3. Wasting that timeout at the end is right up there on the "stupidest plays ever" list.

[AllAboutThe'O']

hEY ALSO BRI ...iTS SUCKS THAT "YOUR TEAM" lOST


I am a miami dolphins fan and a florida marlins fan

we aint been so great the last few years......So let me have a little fun when my team wins...When dallas was 2-0 I didnt say ****
Uhhh, didn't the Marlins win the World Series three years ago? And don't the Marlins have two championship rings in barely over 10 years while some of us have rooted for teams that have played for nearly half a century that are still chasing their first ring.
I'm glad you're still rooting for the Marlins but I didn't have any sympathy when Mr. Blockbuster Video sold his players down the river after the '97 season or when your current owner did the same thing this offseason. You may have sucked some of those years but at least you've got rings to show for it.

[dolemitesooner]

Dude, what the f*ck ever. I'm not a Mavs diehard, but I'm not a "bandwagon" either. I'm not crushed or angry that they lost, even though they got hosed by the spotty officiating in Miami. All I know is, you were a "witness" two rounds ago, then when the Cavs got bounced by the Pistons, you started humping the Heat to annoy Scott.

Besides, I'm just pointing out the idocy of you aggy-like "not a fan unless you live in the city and own season tickets" comment. There's no need for an incoherent, Morse Code-filled rant, slappy. :D
I gave it to scott last year too Beacause I am a heat fan.... duh


Also I am a witness..I like lebron ..I never said I was a cav fan. I like lebron.....Do you ever rout for a team you are not a fan of...
:confused:

[bri]

Could someone get doleo drunk so I can understand what he's saying?

:D

[dolemitesooner]

Uhhh, didn't the Marlins win the World Series three years ago? And don't the Marlins have two championship rings in barely over 10 years while some of us have rooted for teams that have played for nearly half a century that are still chasing their first ring.
I'm glad you're still rooting for the Marlins but I didn't have any sympathy when Mr. Blockbuster Video sold his players down the river after the '97 season or when your current owner did the same thing this offseason. You may have sucked some of those years but at least you've got rings to show for it.
Yeah we suck then bye a team then win every 6 years hence 1997, 2003.

Dolphins have not won since 72

[dolemitesooner]

Could someone get doleo drunk so I can understand what he's saying?

:D
:O

[AllAboutThe'O']

I gave it to scott last year too Beacause I am a heat fan.... duh


Also I am a witness..I like lebron ..I never said I was a cav fan. I like lebron.....Do you ever rout for a team you are not a fan of...
:confused:
I rooted for SUC in the Rose Bowl earlier this year. Does that count?

[dolemitesooner]

I rooted for SUC in the Rose Bowl earlier this year. Does that count?
YES ....and I admire you for it because above all things the hate for teass must pursist

[sanantoniosooner]

amusing indeed

[dolemitesooner]

amusing indeed
Hell yeah it is .....GO SPURSS.....(LETS SEE WHO JUMPS ON THIS ****)

[AllAboutThe'O']

YES ....and I admire you for it because above all things the hate for teass must pursist
That's why I also rooted for the CoCanes in the '91 Cotton Bowl against the 'Horns. And boy, did I love it when the CoCanes put a beatdown on them.
Incidentally doleo, you root for the Miami pro sports teams but not the CoCanes. Is that correct?

[AllAboutThe'O']

Yeah we suck then bye a team then win every 6 years hence 1997, 2003.

Dolphins have not won since 72
Hate to go Stat Boy on you, but Fish also won it after the '73 season, beat the Vikings in Houston.

[dolemitesooner]

That's why I also rooted for the CoCanes in the '91 Cotton Bowl against the 'Horns. And boy, did I love it when the CoCanes put a beatdown on them.
Incidentally doleo, you root for the Miami pro sports teams but not the CoCanes. Is that correct?
Yeah.....when I was real little I used to like them cause I thought they were like the dolphins minor league team:O

About my freshman year in highschool I started going to OU games......Any now I love them

[dolemitesooner]

Hate to go Stat Boy on you, but Fish also won it after the '73 season, beat the Vikings in Houston.
sorry

[AllAboutThe'O']

Yeah.....when I was real little I used to like them cause I thought they were like the dolphins minor league team:O

About my freshman year in highschool I started going to OU games......Any now I love them
Actually, some of those great 'Cane teams could have beaten some of those Dolphin teams. Even if Marino was quarterbacking the Fish.

[dolemitesooner]

Actually, some of those great 'Cane teams could have beaten some of those Dolphin teams. Even if Marino was quarterbacking the Fish.
YOUR ****ING OUT OF YOUR MIND...AND I THINK I WILL NEG YOU FOR THAT ..YEAH I WILL

[GrapevineSooner]

Sports should not mean this much.

[dolemitesooner]

Sports should not mean this much.
They do tho

[Scott D]

Uhhh, didn't the Marlins win the World Series three years ago? And don't the Marlins have two championship rings in barely over 10 years while some of us have rooted for teams that have played for nearly half a century that are still chasing their first ring.
I'm glad you're still rooting for the Marlins but I didn't have any sympathy when Mr. Waste Refuse Disposal Business/Used Cars owner sold his players down the river after the '97 season or when your current owner did the same thing this offseason. You may have sucked some of those years but at least you've got rings to show for it.

He's really a footnote in Blockbuster history, he only owned the company for about 3-5 years before he sold it to Viacom long ago. Corporate offices moved back to the Dallas Area back in the late 90s after he'd sold it and Viacom relocated it for cost purposes. The original owners were based out of Dallas as well.

[GottaHavePride]

2. What was the point of Dallas starting to throw fouls on Shaq in OT? The ball was way out past the 3-point line - basically where it was going to be inbounded from - it wouldn't send Shaq to the line so he could clank a couple and give the ball back to Dallas... Basically all it did was get a couple of Mavs closer to fouling out and give the Heat time to organize an inbounds play. Why not save the fouls so the Heat wouldn't have been shooting by the end of OT?

Anyone have an answer on this one? Seriously, I think Dallas could have won if they hadn't given away so many pointless fouls on Shaq early in the OT. Miami wouldn't have gone to the line the last couple of times.

[AllAboutThe'O']

YOUR ****ING OUT OF YOUR MIND...AND I THINK I WILL NEG YOU FOR THAT ..YEAH I WILL
Once a 'Cane, always a 'Cane.

[jk the sooner fan]

they were fouling shaq in the ot? i dont remember that

regardless, that "foul" called for Wade to put him at the line was total BS

[GrapevineSooner]

They were fouling Shaq while they still had fouls to give. Which meant that they weren't actually sending him to the line.

I have to admit I didn't really understand that strategery, either.

[jk the sooner fan]

maybe they were trying to control the tempo......no idea really

[colleyvillesooner]

maybe they were trying to control the tempo......no idea really

That's what I was thinking. They got him to the bench, which allowed them to try and double Wade more effectively.

[jk the sooner fan]

i had a hard time going to sleep last nite, i was so wired after the game

i've decided i'm not watching game 6......i just cant handle it, the mavs are having the screw job put to them in front of the entire world

i'll find out who won wednesday morning when i get up

[sanantoniosooner]

That reffing really got bad after the Spurs lost.

[BeetDigger]

they were fouling shaq in the ot? i dont remember that

regardless, that "foul" called for Wade to put him at the line was total BS


It was a bad call. It was one of those "he drove in with three guys on him and shot the ball and missed, so there must be a foul" calls.

I haven't gone through this whole thread to see if anyone commented on the timeout, but OMG the refs are stupid on that one. There was play stoppage, in OT of an NBA finals game. Miscommunication should not determine if a timeout is called. The refs need to go over to Avery and ask "do you want a timeout or not".

Oh, and memo to Josh Howard and the rest of the Mavs: Late in the game, when you are shooting foul shots - you should really, really, really make those.

[colleyvillesooner]

I haven't gone through this whole thread to see if anyone commented on the timeout, but OMG the refs are stupid on that one. There was play stoppage, in OT of an NBA finals game. Miscommunication should not determine if a timeout is called. The refs need to go over to Avery and ask "do you want a timeout or not".


Sadly the blame is on Howard and Avery. Avery was freaking out telling his team to take a timeout after the second one. Howard, obviously confused, called a timeout twice. He even started walking towards the bench signaling time out.

[colleyvillesooner]

Man, even the next morning this sucks.

Dirk and J-Ho missing those FT's were massive. Howard's timeout was costly, but the Mavs probably miss a last second shot anyways.

Bottom line, and I'm talking to you Refs, the Mavs had better get ALL those calls at home. Oh, and we get it, Wade is a superstar. But he can miss and not be fouled. And he's not Jordan, so stop letting him get away with the left hand push off like MJ.

I really, really hate sounding like whiny Mavs fan, but everyone outside Miami see what is happening. The league needs a counterpart for Lebron the next decade, so welcome to the Top 5 Mr. Wade.

[BeetDigger]

Sadly the blame is on Howard and Avery. Avery was freaking out telling his team to take a timeout after the second one. Howard, obviously confused, called a timeout twice. He even started walking towards the bench signaling time out.


But that is a total miscommunication. To me, the refs need to get it right. There was play stoppage anyway so they are not giving an unfair advantage by verifying the intent. How many times do refs stop, gather together and confir to make sure that they get something correct? It happens relatively often I would say. So why don't they do the same thing in this instance? I'm not saying that it cost the Mavs the game. Just saying that it is too important, so make sure that they get it right.

[colleyvillesooner]

But that is a total miscommunication. To me, the refs need to get it right. There was play stoppage anyway so they are not giving an unfair advantage by verifying the intent. How many times do refs stop, gather together and confir to make sure that they get something correct? It happens relatively often I would say. So why don't they do the same thing in this instance? I'm not saying that it cost the Mavs the game. Just saying that it is too important, so make sure that they get it right.

They did gather together. Joe DeRosa called the timeout, met with "1-14" Crawford and they stuck with the call. Here's Crawford's quote: "Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice, asked for a timeout. Forced to call it, simple as that," crew chief Joe Crawford told a pool reporter.

[bri]

As much as it sucks, that IS the rule. If you ask for a timeout, that's it. No takebacks. ;)

[soonerlaw]

Its like the NBA feels that they need Miami to win. They are a very marketable team with a superstar in Shaq and the next MJ... instead of the defensive minded team play of the Mavs (or Spurs or Detroit).

Other than that, not sure if it has already been said in this thread, but interesting stat of the game:
Wade 21-25 FT
THE ENTIRE MAVERICKS TEAM: 21-25 FT.

There is no way in the world one player should take as many FT as an entire team. Both were playing physical, but the discrepancy in the officiating was almost up there with (but not not quite) TTU-OU or USA-Italy.

[BeetDigger]

Guys, Avery didn't want the timeout there. That he couldn't communicate effecively with Josh shouldn't be the reason for a mistake. I understand that if a guy calls it during play then it is called, period. Often times, and you see this frequently, a coach will yell to the refs and say "I want a time out if he makes the second free throw." It's like a placeholder. Its a copout what Crawford said. Let the players and coaches decide the game. If Crawford went over and asked Avery for the timeout and Avery said "Yes, I want it now" then there are no questions.

[colleyvillesooner]

Guys, Avery didn't want the timeout there. That he couldn't communicate effecively with Josh shouldn't be the reason for a mistake. I understand that if a guy calls it during play then it is called, period. Often times, and you see this frequently, a coach will yell to the refs and say "I want a time out if he makes the second free throw." It's like a placeholder. Its a copout what Crawford said. Let the players and coaches decide the game. If Crawford went over and asked Avery for the timeout and Avery said "Yes, I want it now" then there are no questions.

Dude, the Refs shouldn't have to do that. A player called timeout, twice. The ref can't be walking over to Avery saying "You sure you want to call that timeout coach? Most people wait until after the FT."

Everyone knows Avery didn't want the timeout there. The refs did the right thing, in that instance.

[colleyvillesooner]

Mavs FT: 21-25
Wade FT: 21-25

wow.

[JohnnyMack]

Dwayne Wade has the ability to be THAT good on some occasions.

Be CONSISTENTLY good?

Now that's another matter that we may not see the answer to until next season at least.

Care to change your opinion on that post yet?

[colleyvillesooner]

Care to change your opinion on that post yet?

Dude, you suck. :D.

Aren't there some thread on the SO you can **** in?

[BeetDigger]

Dude, the Refs shouldn't have to do that.

They do things like that all the time. How many times do they go to a monitor to review a play to see if they got it right? If he was dribbling and called the timeout, then fine, I agree. I guess I am going to have to agree to disagree with you guys on this one. You bunch of Mavs haters. :D

[BeetDigger]

Mavs FT: 21-25
Wade FT: 21-25

wow.


The true difficulty of that stat is the fact that the Mavs outrebounded the Heat and shot better than the Heat. Those two factors nearly ALWAYS result in a win.

[JohnnyMack]

Dude, you suck. :D.

Aren't there some thread on the SO you can **** in?

XOXOXO

[GrapevineSooner]

Care to change your opinion on that post yet?

Fine, that question has been answered.

In fact, he's so good he's already getting the MJ treatment from the refs.

[JohnnyMack]

Fine, that question has been answered.

In fact, he's so good he's already getting the MJ treatment from the refs.

Heh.

He don't like to play D like MJ did.

[colleyvillesooner]

Cuban's blog from today. :D

http://www.blogmaverick.com/


When I was a kid, one of my favorite comedy routines was George Carlin’s Seven Dirty Words.

Words, words, words. My friends and I couldnt get away with cursing so we made up our own language. From the basic, like, Sugar Honey Ice Tea. to, HE double hockey sticks (for those old enough to remember when using the word Hell was considered cursing) to more advanced words for more advanced cursing. This way we could curse in front of parents, teachers, whoever. The intent was the same, but no one knew we were cursing !

I remember thinking back then, that our culture was evolving quickly enough that some day we all would realize the ridiculousness of everyone deciding together to be offended by those seven words. Typical thinking for an 11 year old, right ?

The good news is we didnt.

Now anyone in America can get a rise out of people by using most of Carlin’s 7 Dirty Words. I know I get a rise out of my wife. I cant think of anything funnier than a 3 year old cursing. I mean come on, does it really matter if we say Poo Poo or **** ? Of course not. Unless of course your married and your wife tells you it matters. She doesnt want to be the one who gets phone calls from teachers and other parents getting blamed for all the 3 year olds in the little gym class screaming “Kiss My *** you Mo Fo”... Me, i couldnt think of anything i would rather see and hear. but thats me.

Back to the point here. I like to curse. I like to curse because I enjoy how it gets everyone in an uproar. I wont curse in an environment where I have accepted an invitation or am a guest of someone else. I will play by their rules.

But if you come on my home turf and want something from me. Its my rules.

Last night in the locker room after we lost in overtime to the heat. I was asked by reporters to answer some questions. I told them i would if they asked good questions and didnt ask the same cliche’d questions they had asked after other games. It was interesting how quiet everyone got.

then someone asked “Is this your worst loss ever” . What the **** kind of question is that ? Is this for a VH1 special ? “Worst Losses Ever ?” If it was, then maybe it was a decent question. Otherwise, how do you answer that question…

Let me think. Well we have never been to the finals before, and this is our most recent finals lost. The 3rd in a row. So that could make it the Mavs worst ever. There was a baseball game I played in where I hit the ball into the gap and some guy made a diving catch to end the game instead of me driving in the winning runs and winning the tournament. I cried in the dugout after that one. There have been some tough rugby losses. Am I supposed to get this reporter a thought out answer and catalog my past, or a catalog answer like “this was a tough one… yadda yadda, that sounds like every other answer ever given to this type of question after a lost game.

The reality is that it would be a waste of both of our time if i gave him the “this was a tough one” answer, and a waste of my time to really think about it. Particularly given there were 10 other reporters wanting to ask questions and we had a bus to catch

So I told the reporter to “Ask me a real ****ing question”


Apparently some folks have taken exception to me cursing in my response. Well in this case, the reporter was using my time, we were in a locker room and I was trying to provide a response that had no value to me, but could only help him. If he doesnt think enough of either of our time to invest the brainpower and minutes it takes to come up with something different than has been asked a thousand times.

**** em.

[GrapevineSooner]

Turns out Cubes was right about the Wade backcourt violation.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7362/backcourtvio5ow.jpg

Note the ref who is looking right at the play that shows Wade with possession of the ball, clearly in the front court before going into the back court. :mad:

[colleyvillesooner]

Turns out Cubes was right about the Wade backcourt violation.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7362/backcourtvio5ow.jpg

Note the ref who is looking right at the play that shows Wade with possession of the ball, clearly in the front court before going into the back court. :mad:

They talked about that on the Ticket this morning. They read the rules, and the rule read that basically you can inbound into the backcourt under two minutes. But the rule didn't say anything about being established in the front courts, then going into the backcourt.

My understanding was that you can catch it in the backcourt, but you can't catch it in the front court and land in the backcourt.

[soonerlaw]

That seems right. If he caught it in the frontcourt, then went backcourt, it is an egregious back court violation and should have been a turnover. Then again, if their was a Mav within 5 feet of him, they probably would have called a foul anyway.

[colleyvillesooner]

That seems right. If he caught it in the frontcourt, then went backcourt, it is an egregious back court violation and should have been a turnover. Then again, if their was a Mav within 5 feet of him, they probably would have called a foul anyway.

Yeah, if he would have been in the air and landed in the backcourt that would have been ok, but his foot was in the front court when he caught it.

[tulsaoilerfan]

They talked about that on the Ticket this morning. They read the rules, and the rule read that basically you can inbound into the backcourt under two minutes. But the rule didn't say anything about being established in the front courts, then going into the backcourt.

My understanding was that you can catch it in the backcourt, but you can't catch it in the front court and land in the backcourt.
Once you are established in the front court, you can't go backcourt with both feet and the ball; i do believe there is a way you can do it as long as one foot or the ball stays in the frontcourt, but i haven't seen that in so long i don't remember how it works

[BeetDigger]

They have not called double dribble on Wade a couple of times too. On steals he knocks the ball away down in a dribbling motion. Then, as he retrieves the ball, he grabs it and then starts dribbling again. But it is on a breakaway and it would take away a highlight reel dunk, so the refs look the other way on that one.

[tulsaoilerfan]

The refs suck, plain and simple; on around the horn one of the reporters stated that was the biggest free throw discrepancy in the Finals in 40 years!!

[BeetDigger]

I shouldn't get so worked up about all of this as I have no vested interest as a fan of the Mavs. It all goes to my dislike of Stern the Puppetmaster with his grand orchestration of players from team to team. It just ****es me off that there is no doubt that he wants to build the eastern conference up in popularity due to the heavy population out there. It was a forgone conclusion that Shaq would be in the finals wearing Heat uniform. Just like it is a forgone conclusion that the Kobe-Phil led Lakers will be in the finals in one to two years.

[mrowl]

If the mavs weren't in these games, I wouldn't give a crap about basketball, pro, college, highschool, etc...

Since they are, I am reminded why I F'ing HATE basketball.

refs, free throws, penalties, blocks, touches, nut grabing, punching, elbowing.

NOTHING IS CONSISTENT!!!!

F!

is it football season yet?

[JohnnyMack]

NOTHING IS CONSISTENT!!!!


Yup. That's why I don't follow more than a dozen or so playoff games all year long.

[GrapevineSooner]

Say this much about the NHL...

At least you can't accuse them of rigging any of their playoff series. :D

[colleyvillesooner]

Tell me that tonight if a Canadian 8th seed team with a backup goalie wins the Cup. ;)

[GrapevineSooner]

Tell me that tonight if a Canadian 8th seed team with a backup goalie wins the Cup. ;)

Word has it Bettman had every intention of scripting this for the Hurricanes to win Game 5 in OT on a power play goal.

But Fernando Pisani screwed everything up. ;)

[sanantoniosooner]

http://www.ticket760.com/cc-common/otd_images/KTKR-AM_pic/6_19_2006.jpg

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

My theory is that it is the finals...you should allow them to be more physical and the truly great players will rise to the top. Also, Stackhouse shouldn't have been suspended, in the Finals you only suspend them if they get in a fight, go into the crowd or intentionally hurt someone.

[sanantoniosooner]

Your theory sucks.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Not really, I have seen the Knicks or Pistons, turn Michael Jordan upside down and him fall right on his head...Did he get mad or did anyone get suspended, Imagine that was also when the league was at its most popular when they let the players play the games.

[dolemitesooner]

http://www.ticket760.com/cc-common/otd_images/KTKR-AM_pic/6_19_2006.jpg
LOOKS LIKE AFOUL TO ME

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Well to be technical, that covers 2 free throws, now you have to give photo evidence for his other 86 free throws ;)

[sanantoniosooner]

The league was as it's most popular when there were compelling superstars and you didn't head hunt them.

[sanantoniosooner]

Well to be technical, that covers 2 free throws, now you have to give photo evidence for his other 86 free throws ;)
Dirk didn't whine when he had 21/27 from the line against SA.

Shoe=other foot.

[BeetDigger]

LOOKS LIKE AFOWL TO ME


But they called it on Dirk.

[BeetDigger]

Dirk didn't whine when he had 21/27 from the line against SA.

Shoe=other foot.


I went through and showed you stats on the FT shooting in that entire series and compared it to the regular season. The stats bore that series out that SA was well above their regular season average in FT attempts. I just hate it when I have to go through the stats and have to prove people wrong.

I did that with a Heat fan when he was complaining about the Chicago series and the game where the Heat shot five FT's to Chicago's 30. He had room to complain about that one game but over the entire series, Miami had no room to complain. I did not look at their other series to see how things compared.

I haven't broken down the stats for the Mavs and Heat to see where they are vs. other series and vs. the regular season. One fact is that Wade did set a record for most FT attempts in a finals game.

I just don't want the refs (or Stern) to have heavy hands in the outcomes of games. I don't think that either team has too much to complain about in games 1-4. But game 5, particularly the overall FT's and the foul on wade was somewhat suspect.

[sanantoniosooner]

Duncan played a bigger role in the series than he did all season. The foot injury he had forced him to play conservative to get to the post season.

Sometimes stat interpretation is debateable.

[GDC]

Otis Birdsong, babee...

[dolemitesooner]

But they called it on Dirk.
Ok that **** happens...SO??? BIG DEAL quit whinning heat won and dallas wil proably still win the series

[bri]

And in a move that surprises no one, the league fined Dirk five large for punting the ball into the stands.

[GottaHavePride]

I'd like to see Dirk fine the league for crappy officiating. Mainly because it would make me laugh.

[GrapevineSooner]

LOOKS LIKE AFOUL TO ME
No, it doesn't

http://www.nba.com/media/finals2006/wade5_600_060618.jpg

Looks can be deceiving my friend.

Anyway, on to Game 6.

May the Mavs get all the calls. ;)

[GrapevineSooner]

Your theory sucks.

Only cause you're drinking the Mavs Haterade. :D

[sanantoniosooner]

I cant think of anything funnier than a 3 year old cursing. I mean come on, does it really matter if we say Poo Poo or **** ? Of course not. Unless of course your married and your wife tells you it matters. She doesnt want to be the one who gets phone calls from teachers and other parents getting blamed for all the 3 year olds in the little gym class screaming “Kiss My *** you Mo Fo”... Me, i couldnt think of anything i would rather see and hear. but thats me.


http://www.blogmaverick.com/

Class act.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I don't know...it is kind of funny when a little kid spills something and goes "Oh ****"

[sanantoniosooner]

Of course those pics aren't taken at exactly the same instant, so the fact that it doesn't appear to be a foul in one picture, doesn't mean that it's not a foul in the other.

Hey remember when Dirk got a free throw from a foul that Bowen did not commit to send the game to overtime?

[colleyvillesooner]

Hey remember when Dirk got a free throw from a foul that Bowen did not commit to send the game to overtime?

Remember when Ginobli comitted the dumbest foul is SA history? ;)

Remember when I posted that Cuban blog thing 1 page ago? ;)

Good night all, hopefully I wake up tomorrow on the Day of a Mavs Game 6 win.

[william_brasky]

IMO

Hack-a-Shaq ploy = Can't beat 'em straight up

play ball AJ

[mrowl]

Of course those pics aren't taken at exactly the same instant, so the fact that it doesn't appear to be a foul in one picture, doesn't mean that it's not a foul in the other.

Hey remember when Dirk got a free throw from a foul that Bowen did not commit to send the game to overtime?

lmao... are we jealous?

[sanantoniosooner]

lmao... are we jealous?
nope.

We are pointing out the hypocrisy of the Mav fan that "poo poo'd" conspiracy theory and dismissed the poor officiating in earlier series only to play the same cards now.

Amazing how you only hate the bad calls that go against you.

BTW........"IF" the Mavs are fortunate and win it all...........the Spurs will still have as many championships as all the other Texas NBA teams combined. Jealousy has been a way of life for the Mavs.

[colleyvillesooner]

I've never been jealous of the Spurs a day in my life.

Man, when Timmy D goes the way of retirement, it's going to be interesting to watch the cape of elitest entitlement fall to the ground at the feet of the Spurs fan. ;)

[sanantoniosooner]

That dream itself shouts of jealousy.

How many pins do YOU have in you Duncan voodoo doll?

[GrapevineSooner]

Hey remember when Dirk got a free throw from a foul that Bowen did not commit to send the game to overtime?

Yes I remember. It was a ticky tack call.

Difference is...

1. those two free throws sent the game to OT.

2. The foul occurred on the floor with about 8 seconds left. So it's not outside the realm of expectation that Dirk could have tied the game with an ol' fashioned bucket from the field or even kicked it out for a three to
win it at the end.

3. Because there were 8 seconds left, Timmy still had a legitimate chance to win it in regulation with the final shot. I realize that Jos Howard really put the Mavs in a bind with his brain cramp. But even with the benefit of getting to inbound the ball from mid-court, having 1.9 seconds left on the clock means you have significantly less time than 7 or 8 seconds left.

4. I don't recall Dallas shooting 24 more free throws than the Spurs in that game.

[GrapevineSooner]

nope.

We are pointing out the hypocrisy of the Mav fan that "poo poo'd" conspiracy theory and dismissed the poor officiating in earlier series only to play the same cards now.

Amazing how you only hate the bad calls that go against you.

BTW........"IF" the Mavs are fortunate and win it all...........the Spurs will still have as many championships as all the other Texas NBA teams combined. Jealousy has been a way of life for the Mavs.
And the city of Dallas has as many pro sports championships as San Antonio and Houston combined.

Whoop.
Tee.
Freaking.
Doo.

P.S. And I was being generous by including Houston's 1960 AFL Championship.

[mrowl]

nope.

We are pointing out the hypocrisy of the Mav fan that "poo poo'd" conspiracy theory and dismissed the poor officiating in earlier series only to play the same cards now.

Amazing how you only hate the bad calls that go against you.

BTW........"IF" the Mavs are fortunate and win it all...........the Spurs will still have as many championships as all the other Texas NBA teams combined. Jealousy has been a way of life for the Mavs.

you do remember that historically, the mavs are the worst pro franchise EVER?

no, I could give a flying f about the town the celebrates a dirty sewer, and has to PAY money to the cowboys to have training camp there.

[colleyvillesooner]

That dream itself shouts of jealousy.

How many pins do YOU have in you Duncan voodoo doll?

none, I like Duncan. That wasn't a shot at Duncan.

[colleyvillesooner]

They just had a retired NBA Ref on The Ticket. Mike Mathis, a ref for 21 years, and reffed in 12 Finals. His major beef with Game 5 was allowing the game to be affected by a technicality (the Howard TO) and a foul on Wade that "nobody was completely sure about, and the shooter was out of control." He basically said Refs aren't trained enough. I think he's wrong about the timeout situation though, they had to call it.

He also said Cuban is so close to knowing what goes on inside the NBA office it's scary. :D

[GrapevineSooner]

They just had a retired NBA Ref on The Ticket. Mike Mathis, a ref for 21 years, and reffed in 12 Finals. His major beef with Game 5 was allowing the game to be affected by a technicality (the Howard TO) and a foul on Wade that "nobody was completely sure about, and the shooter was out of control." He basically said Refs aren't trained enough. I think he's wrong about the timeout situation though, they had to call it.

He also said Cuban is so close to knowing what goes on inside the NBA office it's scary. :D

To be fair, his son works for the Mavericks as a video technician.

And while I understand his point about giving some leeway on the timeout call, the onus still lies with Josh Howard on that play to actually wait until the second foul shot goes down.

[JohnnyMack]

Jesus Christ I REALLY hope Miami wins this thing. You people cry too much.

[colleyvillesooner]

To be fair, his son works for the Mavericks as a video technician.

And while I understand his point about giving some leeway on the timeout call, the onus still lies with Josh Howard on that play to actually wait until the second foul shot goes down.

Yep, totally on J-HO.

[colleyvillesooner]

Jesus Christ I REALLY hope Miami wins this thing. That way the series will be over, and I can't be a ****tard in this thread anymore

Fixed.

And whose crying? Just telling what I heard on the radio this morning.

[JohnnyMack]

Fixed.

And whose crying? Just telling what I heard on the radio this morning.

I guess you're one of the few who isn't. But the rest of the crybabies need to give it a rest.

[GrapevineSooner]

JM must be referring to the former NBA ref with 21 years of experience including 12 in the Finals as the crybaby here, I suppose.

[soonerlaw]

I'm a huge Mavs fan, but if the Heat beat them, hey more power to them.. But it is just sad that the outcome of Game 5 had to be decided by a questionable inbounds play, a questionable foul, and a questionable TO. Hopefully, Dallas will will game 6 and then it will be a one game winner-take- all in game 7.

[GrapevineSooner]

Well, I've put Game 5 past me.

If the Mavericks have the championship mettle, it'll come out tonight and Thursday.

[colleyvillesooner]

Well, I've put Game 5 past me.

If the Mavericks have the championship mettle, it'll come out tonight and Thursday.

Ditto. Everything else is in the past.

AS long as we get the home cooking they got in Miami, we're golden :D

[BeetDigger]

Duncan played a bigger role in the series than he did all season. The foot injury he had forced him to play conservative to get to the post season.

Sometimes stat interpretation is debateable.


Just like a lawyer, when the facts are in your favor, argue the facts. When the law is in your favor, argue the law. When neither the law nor the facts are in your favor, try to confuse everything enough so that people can't sort it out. :D

[GrapevineSooner]

Ditto. Everything else is in the past.

AS long as we get the home cooking they got in Miami, we're golden :D

I don't think the crowd will let whoever is officiating tonight allow Wade to get the same calls he got in Miami. :D

[OUinFLA]

Ditto. Everything else is in the past.

AS long as we get the home cooking they got in Miami, we're golden :D


Heck Yeah! Im already picking out my new Mav avatar for when I lose my bet!
Go Mavs!............er HEAT!!!!!!!!!.........or who cares, all bandwagons look the same.

[colleyvillesooner]

Heck Yeah! Im already picking out my new Mav avatar for when I lose my bet!
Go Mavs!............er HEAT!!!!!!!!!.........or who cares, all bandwagons look the same.

heh

[tulsaoilerfan]

So who's reffing tonight? Has anyone heard if it's Crawford again?

[GrapevineSooner]

So who's reffing tonight? Has anyone heard if it's Crawford again?
If the standard rotation holds, then it will be Steve Javie's crew reffing the game.And then Dan Crawford's crew.

Ironically, Javie once alllegedly told Riley he'd enjoy watching him fail during a game. Still a dick move on his part.

[jk the sooner fan]

did anybody see Cubans interview on channel 8 last nite with the biggest jerkoff in dallas, dale hansen?

i swear dale hansen couldnt be anymore arrogant and smug if he tried, what a POS

[BeetDigger]

Ironically, Javie once alllegedly told Riley he'd enjoy watching him fail during a game. Still a dick move on his part.


Oh I don't know. I don't think that there is anyway that one can be a dick to Pat Riley. I never liked him with the Lakers and was so happy when he moved out of coaching. I hope that he goes away, never to return to the bench. And he can take his personal hair grooming assistant with him.

[GrapevineSooner]

Bill Simmons take on it all (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060620).

Including these moments of levity.



If it's Game 5 of the NBA Finals, there's three minutes or less remaining in a close game and you're attending said game, here are the acceptable excuses for not standing:Excuse No. 1: You're in a wheelchair.
Excuse No. 2: You're foreign and this is your first NBA game.
Excuse No. 3: Your little kid is sleeping on your lap.
Excuse No. 4: You're so overweight you have trouble getting up and down.
Excuse No. 5: You're an overweight foreign parent in a wheelchair with a little kid sleeping on your lap.



• Back to Stackhouse's "hard" foul: I watched all of Game 4, as well as SportsCenter after the game, and not a single announcer wondered whether Stack was retaliating for Shaq's three-stitch elbow in Game 1. For God's sake, do you know anything about Jerry Stackhouse? He's one of the toughest dudes in the league -- if you made a list of "Players whose sister you wouldn't want to accidentally sleep with," he'd be right up there.

[GrapevineSooner]

did anybody see Cubans interview on channel 8 last nite with the biggest jerkoff in dallas, dale hansen?

i swear dale hansen couldnt be anymore arrogant and smug if he tried, what a POS

It makes me wonder how he and Galloway can share the same radio bandwidth. I'm surprised the mere presence of their egos doesn't cause ESPN 103.3 FM's transmitter to explode.

[jk the sooner fan]

i was so happy when he left the ticket

[colleyvillesooner]

If the standard rotation holds, then it will be Steve Javie's crew reffing the game.And then Dan Crawford's crew.

Ironically, Javie once alllegedly told Riley he'd enjoy watching him fail during a game. Still a dick move on his part.

Game 1: J Crawford
Game 2: Javie
Game 3: D Crawford
Game 4: Bavetta
Game 5: J Crawford

Thanks Grapevine

[colleyvillesooner]

i was so happy when he left the ticket


DITTO

He sucks on so many levels.

[mrowl]

whats funny about this week?

There will either be riots trying to burn down city hall tonight, or, there will be riots Thursday trying to burn down city hall in victory.

[GrapevineSooner]

Game 1: Crawford (1st ever win by Mavs in playoffs reffed by him)
Game 2: Javie
Game 3: Crawford
Game 4: Bavetta
Game 5: Crawford

I would bet it's Javie tonight, and if the league is smart, Bavetta for Game 7. No way Crawford should do 4 games.
CVS,

Joey Crawford did games 1 and 5.
Dan Crawford did Game 3.

It's Dan Crawford-officiated games in which they are 1-13.

Just like to clear that up. ;)

[colleyvillesooner]

whats funny about this week?

There will either be riots trying to burn down city hall tonight, or, there will be riots Thursday trying to burn down city hall in victory.

I like how Bob on the Ticket said he will persoanlly use his status on the air to campaign against Laura Miller if the Mavs lose. :D

[mrowl]

I like how Bob on the Ticket said he will persoanlly use his status on the air to campaign against Laura Miller if the Mavs lose. :D

currently the #1 reason on my top 10 list why NOT to live in Dallas.

[colleyvillesooner]

CVS,

Joey Crawford did games 1 and 5.
Dan Crawford did Game 3.

It's Dan Crawford-officiated games in which they are 1-13.

Just like to clear that up. ;)

Fixed. And that sucks.

There shouldn't be two Crawfords. Too confusing. ;)

[Scott D]

Cuban fined $250k bones by the league....and Stern prety much issued a '**** you' gag order on him on some Miami radio station.

[mrowl]

From the Associated Press ...

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban was fined $250,000 by the NBA on Tuesday for his outbursts following Game 5 of the NBA Finals.

Cuban was cited for “several acts of misconduct” after Dallas lost 101-100 in overtime to the Heat in Miami on Sunday night.

Upset with some calls that he felt went against the Mavericks, Cuban went onto the floor after the game to vent at official Joe DeRosa. He then stared down and screamed toward commissioner David Stern and a group of league officials, from the court, then the stands.

He later used profanity during a postgame session with the media.

[colleyvillesooner]

Greatness:


"Apparently The Miami Herald is reporting I screamed at the NBA commissioner after the game the other night," Cuban wrote Tuesday. "Didn't happen. Didn't say a word to the man. Not a single word. And that was absolutely by intention."

"Apparently this 'reporter' [writer Greg Cote] has written he has several 'sources.' Well they must be the same sources the tabloids use to find two-headed babys and aliens, because it didn't happen."

[GrapevineSooner]

"I'm a big believer in fate."

--Ben Crenshaw

[GottaHavePride]

Has anyone else noticed about the tv ads for the games, it's always mentioned as "Now Shaq and Wade try to close out the series and bring Miami its first-ever championship, while Nowitzski and Dallas try not to lose..." I'm slightly exaggerating, but Miami is always mentioned as trying for a franchise-first championship, but it's never mentioned that Dallas is ALSO trying for a franchise-first championship.

Seems like biased advertising to me, and I'm not a fan of either team.

[BeetDigger]

I hear the fan who got hit by the ball that Dirk kicked experienced a sore jaw and was somewhat woozie. He is not going to sue as long as the symptoms go away but feels that Dirk should be suspended for a game because of his actions. What a dolt. If he had just kept his eye on the ball, like the teach you when you play sports as a youngster, he would have had a great souvenier to take home.

[colleyvillesooner]

I went through and showed you stats on the FT shooting in that entire series and compared it to the regular season. The stats bore that series out that SA was well above their regular season average in FT attempts. I just hate it when I have to go through the stats and have to prove people wrong.

I did that with a Heat fan when he was complaining about the Chicago series and the game where the Heat shot five FT's to Chicago's 30. He had room to complain about that one game but over the entire series, Miami had no room to complain. I did not look at their other series to see how things compared.

I haven't broken down the stats for the Mavs and Heat to see where they are vs. other series and vs. the regular season. One fact is that Wade did set a record for most FT attempts in a finals game.

I just don't want the refs (or Stern) to have heavy hands in the outcomes of games. I don't think that either team has too much to complain about in games 1-4. But game 5, particularly the overall FT's and the foul on wade was somewhat suspect.

The Mavs are shooting 2 less FT's this series than their season average, and the Heat are shooting 6 more a game.

The Heat are shooting an average of 8 more FT's a game than the Mavs, average of 13 more in the last 3 games.

[BeetDigger]

The Mavs are shooting 2 less FT's this series than their season average, and the Heat are shooting 6 more a game.

The Heat are shooting an average of 8 more FT's a game than the Mavs, average of 13 more in the last 3 games.


Did you grab that out of the DMN? I saw it at lunch time and was going to bring it in and post the stats.

I believe that teams will change their strategies from series to series and between the playoffs and the regular season. So that will account for some deviations in numbers. However, how much of a deviation is the question?

Game 5 will always stand out as an anomilie. How a team can lose when they win the rebounding battle, shoot a higher percentage from the field and shoot 84% (on 25 attempts, which is pretty close to their season average) from the line?

I have a hard time with people who say that the Mavs lost it because they didn't make their free throws at the end (and I know that I gave Howard a hard time for missing). Well, FT's at the beggining count the same as at the end of the game and beyond that, they are saying that the Mavs have to nearly shoot 100% from the line to win a game. I am sure that Avery could have them practice their FT's some more, but not sure how much improvement one can expect from 84%.

[colleyvillesooner]

Did you grab that out of the DMN? I saw it at lunch time and was going to bring it in and post the stats.

No, researched it earlier.

[mrowl]

If I have to endure the "Cable Cam" tonight, I am going to destroy stuart scotts fake lazy eye.

[colleyvillesooner]

If I have to endure the "Cable Cam" tonight, I am going to destroy stuart scotts fake lazy eye.

Man, one of the games, they left it one for 3 trips down and back. I was freaking out. You have no depth perception and can't tell what is going on in the far side of the court. ****ing hideuos.

[mrowl]

its very XFL'ish.

[BeetDigger]

No, researched it earlier.


Fine work, but you could have saved yourself some effort. I'm not against work, but if I can leverage somebody else's, I'm all for it.

[colleyvillesooner]

Fine work, but you could have saved yourself some effort. I'm not against work, but if I can leverage somebody else's, I'm all for it.

If I would have known it was already done, I wouldn't have. :D

[sanantoniosooner]

I hear the fan who got hit by the ball that Dirk kicked experienced a sore jaw and was somewhat woozie. He is not going to sue as long as the symptoms go away but feels that Dirk should be suspended for a game because of his actions. What a dolt. If he had just kept his eye on the ball, like the teach you when you play sports as a youngster, he would have had a great souvenier to take home.
The dude is like 64 years old.

He shouldn't have to take evasive action from a german throwing a tantrum.

[GrapevineSooner]

but not sure how much improvement one can expect from 84%.

I guess it all depends on when those misses occur.

When they occur in crunch time and miss both of your shots during a trip to the line, that figure gets magnified.

[GrapevineSooner]

The dude is like 64 years old.

He shouldn't have to take evasive action from a german throwing a tantrum.

Gotta agree with SAS on this one.

The game had just endedr. And as late as it was, it was probably past bedtime for the poor guy and he was probably getting his stuff together to go home ;)

Last thing he's expecting is for a basketball to come up into his section and hit him in the head.

[sanantoniosooner]

I guess it all depends on when those misses occur.

When they occur in crunch time and miss both of your shots during a trip to the line, that figure gets magnified.
The same could be said of bad calls. It can be pretty even both ways except for one team gets jobbed at a highly critical moment.

[mrowl]

please, please don't suck tonight little mavericks...

[SoonerStud615]

More of a hopeful fark of mine than anything else...
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6831/nbachamps1zv.png

[SoonerStud615]

The same could be said of bad calls. It can be pretty even both ways except for one team gets jobbed at a highly critical moment.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4585/cheat0rz.pnganother one i have that's appropriate

[bri]

I am sure that Avery could have them practice their FT's some more, but not sure how much improvement one can expect from 84%.

Well, 85%, for starters. :D

[BeetDigger]

The dude is like 64 years old.

He shouldn't have to take evasive action from a german throwing a tantrum.


Sorry, I need to put TIC in there. However, I do stick by my statement that he is a dolt for thinking Dirk should be suspended.