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Okla-homey
6/3/2006, 07:51 AM
...and will dump "Redmen" for a new name TBA.

http://www.nsuok.edu/news/story.php?1807

I wonder what they'll pick? How about the Fighting Carrie's
in tribute to their most famoustest alumna?

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6447/cmacarrieu8ml.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

jacru
6/3/2006, 08:00 AM
Since we've gone to the extreme in not wanting to offend anyone, to be balanced, we should all try to offend as many groups of people as possible. :rolleyes::D

Gandalf_The_Grey
6/3/2006, 08:18 AM
The Crakkers

stoops the eternal pimp
6/3/2006, 10:08 AM
butt wranglers

william_brasky
6/3/2006, 10:16 AM
The Gay Midgets

stoops the eternal pimp
6/3/2006, 10:20 AM
the mighty morphodite power rangers

Okla-homey
6/3/2006, 10:23 AM
I got it...The Scalped Hunters

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/6351/soulelg3tz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and it won't offend Native Americans:D

yermom
6/3/2006, 10:27 AM
The CraKKKers

:eek:

stoops the eternal pimp
6/3/2006, 10:30 AM
the nazi s

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/3/2006, 10:32 AM
The Illinois Rafters.

yermom
6/3/2006, 10:35 AM
the Redpeople?

walkoffsooner
6/3/2006, 10:38 AM
The fighting monks

handcrafted
6/3/2006, 10:40 AM
The Soonerfans.

TWIA. :D

stoops the eternal pimp
6/3/2006, 10:41 AM
the fighting pygmies

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/3/2006, 10:44 AM
The Soonerfans.

TWIA. :DGood one, let's vote!!!

Vaevictis
6/3/2006, 10:48 AM
The Fightin' Borats

bri
6/3/2006, 10:50 AM
Whinin' Jackasses?

stoops the eternal pimp
6/3/2006, 10:50 AM
DANCIN LIBERACE S

skycat
6/3/2006, 10:59 AM
Meth Cookers

walkoffsooner
6/3/2006, 11:03 AM
Meth Cookers

the mascot could wear goggles and a apron.

soonerscuba
6/3/2006, 11:07 AM
The Splooshers.

OklahomaTuba
6/3/2006, 11:39 AM
What ever they get told to change it to, they should at least get the damn color & name to match.

http://cache.nmn.speedera.net/pics5/400/OE/OELKKFPSNROCTGN.20060206172924.jpg

Jimminy Crimson
6/3/2006, 11:52 AM
Fightin' Hippopotamusses

BEST MASCOT EVAR!

OCUDad
6/3/2006, 11:54 AM
Fightin' HippopotamiFixed. :P

Okla-homey
6/3/2006, 12:04 PM
Fixed. :P

Cool notion. The thing is, if they were the hippo's, I bet they would be the ONLY one...kinda like the Pitt State Gorillas.

BTW, I seem to recall, maybe from those Jacque Cousteau specials when I was a kid, a p1ssed-off hippo can kill a feller pretty easy. Those tusks are razor sharp.

walkoffsooner
6/3/2006, 12:34 PM
They were having a jungle football game one day. And a hippo was running wild in the first half scoring 3 touchdowns.But the second half a centipede started playing and would take out the hippo every play.They asked him why didn't you play first half?He said i was getting my ankles taped.

Viking Kitten
6/3/2006, 01:05 PM
What ever they get told to change it to, they should at least get the damn color & name to match.

http://cache.nmn.speedera.net/pics5/400/OE/OELKKFPSNROCTGN.20060206172924.jpg

I always wondered what color-blind f*** picked out their uniforms.

OKC Sooner
6/3/2006, 01:23 PM
the Rutting Warthogs

Gandalf_The_Grey
6/3/2006, 01:53 PM
They should get a corporate sponsor....The Pepsi's...and imagine the sweat uniforms.

GDC
6/3/2006, 02:03 PM
Savages, Redskins, Redmen=inappropriate

Cherokees, Warriors, Braves, Seminoles, etc.=okay

GDC
6/3/2006, 02:04 PM
The Splooshers.

or the Skunk Apes

Widescreen
6/3/2006, 07:50 PM
The Tsa La Gi Trail of Tears Reenactors.

Go!
Fight!
Win!

bri
6/3/2006, 09:07 PM
If you want a FITTING mascot, then look no further than...

The Northeastern State University River Rats

:D

Chuck Bao
6/3/2006, 10:37 PM
According to my Beginning Cherokee book:

Beaver/Beavers – Do-ya
Bear/Bears – Yo-n
Cardinal – To-tsu’-hwa
Eagle – Wo-ha’-li
Red – A-gi’-ga-ge
Wolf/Wolves - Wah-ya
Wolf Clan – A-ni-wah-ya

Personally, I favor the Do-ya (Beavers).

Okla-homey
6/4/2006, 01:03 PM
Since they have the only school of optometry in Oklahoma, how about Savage Optometrists?

BajaOklahoma
6/4/2006, 04:06 PM
I keep waiting for them to demand that we change the name of our State.
:rolleyes:

AlbqSooner
6/4/2006, 06:33 PM
They could always go with another famous alum (Wilma) and call them the Mankillers.

Soonrboy
6/4/2006, 07:15 PM
thought she went to Arkansas...got an honorary doctorate from Yale, too. She has a good biography out.

Okla-homey
6/4/2006, 10:20 PM
thought she went to Arkansas...got an honorary doctorate from Yale, too. She has a good biography out.

Its generally considered bad form to question the veracity of a celebrity resume' unless the person is a D-1 head football coach or W. Just saying.

KABOOKIE
6/4/2006, 10:24 PM
NSU....It's like Jr. College without the Jr.!

Okla-homey
6/4/2006, 10:30 PM
NSU....It's like Jr. College without the Jr.!

Yeah, but of you wanna be an eye doctor, its the only game in town.

Funny thing, I have a nephew who wants to go there to learn eye doctorin' and my little sis is actually stoked b/c she thinks Tallequah will be a more wholesome environment for the kid than Norman. When I reminded her that there's nothing to do in Tallequah for college kids but drinking, smoking dope and trying to get in each others pants...she kinda clammed-up.;)

StoopTroup
6/4/2006, 10:35 PM
Tallequah = hole

Pricetag
6/5/2006, 12:21 AM
Only one "l" in Tahlequah.

I say "Red Storm." Worked for St. John's.

jacru
6/5/2006, 12:44 AM
greenmen. martian logos.

Okla-homey
6/5/2006, 05:20 AM
I still think people are waaaay over-reacting. I mean, until the NFL franchise in our nation's capital changes its name, its really all kinda silly.

Mixer!
6/5/2006, 06:25 AM
The F'n Hillbillies. [insert Callahan avatar here]

GDC
6/5/2006, 05:11 PM
Pretty soon we'll have a Cherokee Casino/Resort bigger than the one in Catoosa, and we have a bowling alley with eight lanes and a miniature golf course, and lots of meth. All yonegs need to STFU.;)

NYSooner1355
6/5/2006, 05:21 PM
Only one "l" in Talequah.

I say "Red Storm." Worked for St. John's.

it did?? do you see how horrible they've been since they changed the name??

GDC
6/15/2006, 03:17 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-indiannickname-ncaalawsuit&prov=ap&type=lgns

Flagstaffsooner
6/15/2006, 03:28 PM
The "I Didn't Have the Grades to Play For OU".

Sooner_Bob
6/15/2006, 09:33 PM
The Northeastern State Little People has a nice ring to it . . .

Soonrboy
6/15/2006, 10:29 PM
The Northeastern State Little People has a nice ring to it . . .


You're not supposed to speak of the little people, dude. Bad mojo.

picasso
6/15/2006, 10:46 PM
Yeah, but of you wanna be an eye doctor, its the only game in town.

Funny thing, I have a nephew who wants to go there to learn eye doctorin' and my little sis is actually stoked b/c she thinks Tallequah will be a more wholesome environment for the kid than Norman. When I reminded her that there's nothing to do in Tallequah for college kids but drinking, smoking dope and trying to get in each others pants...she kinda clammed-up.;)
no doubt. or a teacher or a coach.

one of my best friends played football at Southeastern and is now working for his tribe, Osage. he wrote the NCAA a letter about their new policy. he was ****ed they changed the name.

olevetonahill
6/16/2006, 12:04 AM
Hell name em the " If shes there Id hit it ";)

GDC
6/16/2006, 08:53 AM
You're not supposed to speak of the little people, dude. Bad mojo.

You never see them either, unless you're about to die.

How about the skillies, boogers, goat men, or deer women?

GDC
7/12/2006, 05:26 PM
Mascot debate serious at NSU
By JIMMIE TRAMEL World Sports Writer
7/11/2006

From the danged-if-you-do and danged-if-you-don't department:

Northeastern State University president Dr. Larry Williams announced earlier this year the school's sports mascot would no longer be Redmen, effective next fall.

In days since, Williams has been criticized for the decision.

Williams also would have been criticized if he had announced that NSU's sports teams would continue to be called Redmen, never mind that some find the moniker offensive.

What's a guy to do when you are wrong -- in somebody's eyes -- no matter what?

"I just felt like it was the right decision to make at the right time for all the right reasons," Williams said.

"I didn't do it because it was politically correct. And we weren't forced by the NCAA. People have applauded me for doing it and raised heck for me doing it."

Williams called it a difficult decision that, to a certain extent, remains difficult.

It would have been a simple decision if Williams was president of Caucasian State University and the sports mascot was the Fighting Minorities. Change the mascot. Period. End of story.

The NSU decision was complicated because the school sprang forth from American Indian roots.



NSU was founded in 1851 as the Cherokee National Female Seminary. It is in Tahlequah, where the Cherokee Nation has headquarters. Williams said NSU has the highest percentage of American Indian students than any public university in the United States. He said 52 tribes are represented on campus.

Many students and alumni are proud to be called Redmen.

"I had people call me and say they are full-bloods and no one thinks it is derogatory," Williams said. "The truth of it is that some people do see it as a derogatory name for Native Americans."

Speaking as an individual, Williams believes NSU used the name Redmen with respect. He said he felt like it added to the school's heritage. The word Oklahoma, after all, is derived from Choctaw words which mean red man.

But, speaking as a university president, Williams wanted to make sure NSU wasn't doing anything which could be construed as "derogatory or negative or anything else."

Immediately after the mascot change was announced, Williams said he received a couple hundred e-mails with a large percentage of senders opposed to the switch.

"In the next couple of days, I got an equal number in favor of the name change," he said. "Now I guess I would have to say it's close to 50-50, and if you leaned either way, there are probably more people in favor of changing the name than not."

As Williams mentioned earlier, NSU was not on the NCAA's hit list of schools that must change their mascots or else.

"We were not one of those schools identified as one of the bad guys, if you will," he said.

But Williams feels like he squashed the potential for controversy by making a pre-emptive strike, especially with NSU's 17-month centennial celebration due to start in August 2008. Who wants a storm cloud at a party? (P.S.: When the sports mascot fuss finally dies, hopefully attention will be turned to more important American Indian issues, like improved health care.)

Williams said the mascot change was not a snap decision. He indicated that he sought input from many sources over a period of years.

Many sources also will be involved in the aftermath. Williams appointed a task force of 35-40 individuals "from all walks of life" to find a new mascot the community and university can rally around. Williams said the task force has already met. He hopes a new mascot can be picked by December. The new mascot will be put into use beginning with the following academic year.

Williams attended a recent banquet and had the following conversation with an NSU alum. The alum said he respected that Williams had to make a decision. "But don't be mad at me if I want to be a Redman until the day I die."

Williams can agree to those terms..

leavingthezoo
7/12/2006, 05:31 PM
Since they have the only school of optometry in Oklahoma, how about Savage Optometrists?

no, no, no. the burning retinas.

:D

thanks a lot gdc for pullin' up an oldie. i look good in foolish.:O

soonerjoker
7/15/2006, 11:33 AM
how bout the "ncaabitches" ???

GDC
7/23/2006, 03:07 PM
Name dropping
By GREG TEPPER World Sports Writer
7/23/2006

Redskin. Chief. Savage. Indian. Warrior. Brave.

For some, they're words worth fighting for. Or against.

The issue of American Indian mascots and images being used in schools remains divisive and volatile, especially in Oklahoma, which boasts one of the nation's highest Indian populations.

Oklahoma, whose name is derived from Choctaw words meaning "red people," ranks second in the nation in percentage of high schools that use an Indian mascot. Of Oklahoma's 465 high schools, 64 of them, more than 13 percent, use an American Indian- derived mascot.

In the year since the NCAA announced depictions of American Indian as mascots are prohibited from postseason events, two Oklahoma colleges have made changes. Southeastern State had to change its mascot or face exclusion from NCAA postseason events. The Savages are now the "Savage Storm."

Northeastern State made a proactive decision. Although its mascot -- Redmen -- was deemed acceptable by the NCAA, the school decided to make a change on its own.

Unlike the two colleges, Oklahoma high schools haven't changed team names and don't appear likely to. And the executive director of the state's high school governing body -- the Oklahoma Secondary School Activities Assocation

-- says it won't impose change unless schools raise the issue.

Proponents of the mascots claim schools honor the traditions of American Indians. Opponents feel Indians are being exploited and objectified.


Source of pride

Union High School has the second-largest enrollment in Oklahoma and has one of the strongest athletic programs in the state. Before every football game, a teepee is erected and Union football players charge through it and onto the field.

The Redskins have arrived, and not everyone likes it.

Union has faced steady criticism from American Indian groups, including one that attends every board meeting. But Union maintains its stance -- the mascot isn't meant to offend.

"So you're trying to stir up an issue that has already been resolved?" Union superintendent Cathy Burden asked after being recently queried on the topic.

Burden cites the Redskins' history as the reasoning behind the controversial image's use.

"Union School District was formed when four districts merged together in 1919, and Indian symbolism was used at that time for the yearbook and other activites, like the band and sports teams," Burden said. "They always used Indian names with respect."

Union traditions include a fervent competition among students to be selected to recite the "I'm A Redskin" speech at each year's graduation, as well as various Indian images around the school and school activities. But the word "Redskin," which many consider a word to describe Indian scalpings, has created a stir for the district.

"A new connotation of the word is a very negative connotation," Burden said. "This is a Native American state, and we are proud of it. It doesn't make any sense to demean ourselves. The new definition does not fit with the way we have used it at Union."

In Wynnewood, a Garvin County town of about 2,300, the Savages mascot is embraced.

"It's pretty much a sacred thing here in Wynnewood," superintendent Bill Weldon said. "There's a lot of pride associated with that name. We have a pretty high Native American population here, and they don't seem to be bothered by it. They have pride in it."

Weldon says his school's mascot represents something noble.

"I guess it represents the fight, the challenge," Weldon said. "Savages took on the challenges of the white man, and they were fierce in defending what they believe to be theirs.

"When you come into Savage country, we're going to be ready to defend it."


Local leader: It's 'offensive'

Louis Gray doesn't believe there should be any debate about American Indian mascots.

"There are the 'Savages' and 'Redskins,' names which, to me, are more like racial slurs," said Gray, the founder and president of Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism. "And then there is the objectification of my people, like 'Indians,' 'Braves,' 'Warriors' and so on. I'm opposed to both uses, but the 'Redskins' and 'Savages' are the most offensive. It's very demeaning to me and to my people."

According to Gray, TICAR members have attended Union's school board meetings every month "for the past three to four years, but have never been able to be put on the docket." Burden, who led the school district through the proceedings that resulted in keeping the Redskins mascot, responded by saying that the TICAR members are not members of Union's community, so they are not entitled to a place on the docket.

Gray said the use of the images and traditions native to his people is not honorable because those whose images are being used did not consent.

"It's not our choice. We didn't ask to be mascots," Gray said. "The simplest response is that no other race is objectified the way my people are. They misuse images and traditions.

"If we don't like it, then I can't say that I'm being honored."

A member of the Osage tribe, former candidate for the Osage Congress and brother of Osage Chief Jim Gray, Louis Gray has fought to get "Savages" and "Redskins" removed from schools, attempting unsuccessfully to get legislation passed to do so. But TICAR's main objective, Gray said, is to teach.

"We are trying to educate the public whenever possible," Gray said. "We don't do protests or marches. We want people to understand us, not hate us further.

"More and more Oklahomans are coming around and realizing that hey, it's about time we start treating the Native American people with respect."


Governing bodies staying out

The precedent for changing Indian mascots was set in August 2005, when the NCAA announced it would ban the use of American Indian mascots and logos by sports teams during postseason NCAA tournaments and later banned use in football bowl games, as well.

Of the 18 schools affected, the most notable are the Utah Utes, the North Dakota Fighting Sioux and the Illinois Fighting Illini. UND is suing the NCAA in an attempt to keep its nickname and Indian head logo.

But disputes about American Indian mascots in high schools have been at the local level.

The National Federation of State High School Associations, which oversees state high school associations, has left the mascot issue up to the local level.

And in Oklahoma, the OSSAA has not been approached by anyone to make a change similar to the NCAA's, OSSAA executive director Danny Rennels said.

"We would certainly respond to any group's request, and I'm not really sure what it would be," Rennels said. "There would ultimately have to be a vote from the member schools in order to make that change. We would have to go back to them for their input prior to any decision."

However, when asked whether or not the OSSAA would have any sort of power on the issue, Rennels balked.

"We don't regulate those types of things," Rennels said. "We are more in charge of playoffs and things like that. I would not see any type of authority from us to issue a ban or even a recommendation on that issue."

The lack of power to change high school mascots is not limited to Oklahoma. High school associations in Texas and Kansas had the same sentiment: Even if they wanted to do something, it would be difficult.

"We would probably still leave it to the local level," said Cheryl Gleason, assistant executive director of the Kansas State High School Activities Association. "They choose a lot of things, and the mascot is just another one of them. So I would have to say no, we would not have any power to make them change."


Some standing in favor

The American Indian community is not united against the use of such imagery and mascots. Some are fighting to keep the mascots in schools.

David Yeagley is a former humanities professor at Oklahoma University and the University of Central Oklahoma and is the founder of the Bad Eagle Foundation, a "nonprofit organization designed for American Indian conservatives and patriots," according to its Web site. Yeagley favors Indians as mascots.

"I believe there should be more of them," he said. "They represent the character and the spirit and the power of the Indian people. These mascots represent all the positives about Indians."

Yeagley, a member of the Comanche tribe who admits that his views are different than many, believes these mascots are not harmful psychologically to the Indian people but honor the power of the people.

"I resent the fact that Indians have been co-opted into believing the 'America is bad' chorus that says that we should change the name of anything with an Indian name, anything that voices victimization," Yeagley said.

"The attitude that any use of race by white people is offensive, that whole attitude I find psychologically crippling.

"That is a weak, defeatist attitude," Yeagley continued. "It is not warriors that are protesting mascots."

Lost in the controversy, Yeagley said, is that schools who are using Indian imagery and mascots can use them to educate the students about the character of the Indian people, a reason he is adamant against elimination.

"It's a type of ethnic cleansing to remove these Indian mascots," he said.

Last football season, two students at Glenpool roamed the sidelines at football games in neutral tribal attire, consisting of buckskin leggings, ribbon shirts, breach cloths and moccasins.

"This was something they studied," superintendent Kathy Coley said, citing that the students were a part of the Native American Student Association. "They studied the traditional dress and did it as a part of their program and found out exactly what to wear and what it all meant."

According to Coley, the school uses the symbols and name to help students understand Indian traditions.

"I think that in our school district, it is more a way to promote their culture rather than to stereotype them," Coley said.

The school has never been approached to change their mascot, she said. But the debate continues elsewhere, and Burden says that sometimes the fight may not be worth it.

"I'm not so sure we need mascots anymore at all," Burden said. "It's very hard to be politically correct with everyone."



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NCAA'S LIST

In August 2005, the NCAA banned the "hostile" and "abusive" use of American Indian nicknames, mascots and logos in postseason events. The movement left 18 schools in violation. Here is a list of the schools, their mascots and what has happened since the ban:

Alcorn State (Braves): Dropped their logo depicting a tomahawk-toting Indian but remain known as the Braves.


Central Michigan (Chippewas): Successfully appealed to NCAA and was removed from list of violators.


Catawba College (Indians): Successfully appealed to NCAA and was removed from list of violators.


Florida State (Seminoles): Successfully appealed to NCAA and was removed from list of violators.


Midwestern State (Indians): Changed nickname to Mustangs.


Utah (Utes): Successfully appealed to NCAA and was removed from list of violators.


Indiana University, Pa. (Indians): Changed nickname to Bears after losing May 2006 appeal.


Carthage College (Redskins): Changed nickname to Red Men.


Bradley (Braves): Removed from list of violators by NCAA in April 2006 but placed on five-year watch list.


Arkansas State (Indians): No change made.


Chowan College (Braves): Changed nickname to Hawks.


Illinois (Illini): After losing NCAA appeal, mascot Chief Illiniwek banned from NCAA postseason events, but school may keep Illini and Fighting Illini mascot.


Louisiana-Monroe (Indians): Changed nickname to Warhawks.


McMurry University (Indians): Lost appeal to NCAA in May 2006 and will appeal again.


Mississippi College (Choctaws): Successfully appealed to NCAA and was removed from list of violators after local tribe endorsed the mascot's use.


Newberry College (Indians): Lost appeal to NCAA but refuses to change nickname.


North Dakota (Fighting Sioux): Suing NCAA after appeal was turned down.


Southeastern Oklahoma State (Savages): Changed nickname to Savage Storm.





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Debating the pros, cons of Indian mascots

Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism founder Louis Gray and Bad Eagle Foundation and American Indian mascot proponent David Yeagley gave their thoughts on six commonly used Indian mascots.

Redskins


Gray: "Redskins is a term used to refer to Indian scalps, which would entail murdering an Indian and getting a reward for doing so. I think that's inappropriate in any culture, especially to use it to glorify a team or rev up a crowd. It's just wrong."


Yeagley: "The vast majority of Indians do not object to this. How can this be offensive when American negroes prefer to be called black? It is just a visible way of identifying people due to historical contexts."


Savages


Gray: "Savages implies someone who is less than human. They are evil, animal-like. And it's an insulting term for Indian people to hear. We are people with feelings, with dreams, and hopes and aspirations. We are not savages."


Yeagley: "Savages is the primal glory. You can't even relate to it. Indians earned that name because those fears were earned by warriors protecting their land."


Warriors


Gray: "Not all Indians are bloodthirsty savages. People don't realize that there were a lot of peaceful Indians. Most Indians were peaceful. So to stereotypically say Warriors is wrong."


Yeagley: "Warrior is top of the line. It's excellent. It represents responsiblity and courage and bravery, everything a man is supposed to be. Indians have the honor of carrying that name and tradition, and they are going to protest against it? People are being taught by white Communist professors to be offended by it, and it's not right."


Indians


Gray: "I am a member of the Osage tribe. When I was growing up, whenever someone did not want to use my name, they would refer to me as 'Indian.' I'm an Osage. That term (Indian) brings back painful memories of discrimination in my childhood."


Yeagley: "Indian refers to the native people of North America. The word Indian belongs to the American Indian people, and it doesn't offend me at all. The word Native American is purposely confusing, another socialist term that was created in the '70s. It's obscuring. It is a scheme to pit the races against each other. I prefer American Indians.


Braves


Gray: "Braves is just a Hollywood version of the noble Indian stereotype. It's an impersonal way of referring to someone. We have names. I don't call caucasian people "soldier" or "calvarymen."


Yeagley: "Braves is along the same line as Warrior, it is a universal value of courage and the ability to defend yourself."


Chiefs


Gray: "Chief is an honored title for my people. My name is Lewis, not Chief. It's an easy way for someone to stereotype a group and put them in their place."


Yeagley: "Chiefs, though it did not originate as an Indian word, has come to be associated with Indians. It is the most honorable position for the Indians, so why would you complain about that?".

Harry Beanbag
7/23/2006, 03:46 PM
Bradley (Braves): Removed from list of violators by NCAA in April 2006 but placed on five-year watch list.


Just what are they going to be watching for? :confused:

Gandalf_The_Grey
7/23/2006, 04:22 PM
Well it might suddenly get offensive!!

leavingthezoo
7/23/2006, 04:51 PM
Bradley (Braves): Removed from list of violators by NCAA in April 2006 but placed on five-year watch list.


Well it might suddenly get offensive!!

i'm offended. i've never met a brave bradley.

bri
7/23/2006, 05:02 PM
That "pro vs. con" article illustrates why I can't really get behind either side of this debate...'cause it's bitches against bitches, really. :D

Gandalf_The_Grey
7/23/2006, 05:15 PM
Bri could you change your screenname..the first girl i ever kissed was named Bri and it just brings back too many painful memories...Plus you totally are betraying her name because you totally don't look like her!! So please change it or Congress will make you!

bri
7/23/2006, 06:13 PM
Dude, I'm not changing my name just because you couldn't think of a better name for your pillow.

Ike
7/23/2006, 07:24 PM
..(list and debates).


this debate is probably the most ridiculous I have ever seen. the cons come from the point of view of assuming that any mascot referring in any way to native american culture must nessecarily be stereotyping all native americans. This couldn't be further from the truth. How many people really think of all Greeks when they see the Trojan mascot? There have to be better reasons than this to get rid of native american mascots right??

Gandalf_The_Grey
7/23/2006, 08:01 PM
That pillow was a whore and broke my heart :(

bri
7/23/2006, 08:06 PM
Hey man, pillows ain't sh*t but hoes and tricks.

Harry Beanbag
7/23/2006, 08:43 PM
Those aren't pillows!!!

GDC
8/17/2006, 12:30 PM
http://arapaho.nsuok.edu/websurvey/wsb.dll/GradCollege/NSUsurvey11.htm

THis is the link to make suggestions for the new mascot. I've already submitted Fighting Redbuds, Fighting Skunk Apes, and Illinois River Monsters.

BigRedJed
8/17/2006, 12:46 PM
That "pro vs. con" article illustrates why I can't really get behind either side of this debate...'cause it's bitches against bitches, really. :D
Agreed. Ridiculously polarized. There has to be some common ground here. Just as "Patriots," "Irish," "Cowboys," etc. can all be viewed as positive and a point of pride when (respectfully) applied to mascots, I think there is room for some reference to Native Americans, especially when it's a tribal affiliation such as "Utes," or "Seminoles." I personally also think "Chiefs" and "Braves" could work, if used carefully, and without a hideous, stereotyping mascot.

On the flip side, "Savages," "Redskins," etc. in my mind ARE offensive enough to a large number of people to justify re-thinking them.

toast
8/17/2006, 12:57 PM
The Artist Formerly Known as The Redmen

GDC
8/17/2006, 03:08 PM
I think there is room for some reference to Native Americans, especially when it's a tribal affiliation such as "Utes," or "Seminoles." I personally also think "Chiefs" and "Braves" could work, if used carefully, and without a hideous, stereotyping mascot.

On the flip side, "Savages," "Redskins," etc. in my mind ARE offensive enough to a large number of people to justify re-thinking them.

Exactly.

crimson&cream
8/23/2006, 12:30 PM
What ever they get told to change it to, they should at least get the damn color & name to match.

http://cache.nmn.speedera.net/pics5/400/OE/OELKKFPSNROCTGN.20060206172924.jpg
Dumba$$ REdmen is another disignation for Indian many schools that have Indian mascots don't have Red colors whether they are the Redskins, Redmen ,Indians, etc. But is would be less confusing, say if they becomes something like the "Green Hornets"LOL
Besides how many other Div II schools in Okla have an indoor practice facility.? Not like they're not progressive.

crimson&cream
8/23/2006, 12:35 PM
NSU....It's like Jr. College without the Jr.!
Wrong, rated the best regional college in Okla several yrs ago in US News & World Rep[ort.

crimson&cream
8/23/2006, 12:36 PM
Yeah, but of you wanna be an eye doctor, its the only game in town.

Funny thing, I have a nephew who wants to go there to learn eye doctorin' and my little sis is actually stoked b/c she thinks Tallequah will be a more wholesome environment for the kid than Norman. When I reminded her that there's nothing to do in Tallequah for college kids but drinking, smoking dope and trying to get in each others pants...she kinda clammed-up.;)
Hum sounds like Norman.

jdsooner
8/23/2006, 12:37 PM
The Mullets

Sooner_Bob
8/23/2006, 12:47 PM
http://arapaho.nsuok.edu/websurvey/wsb.dll/GradCollege/NSUsurvey11.htm

THis is the link to make suggestions for the new mascot. I've already submitted Fighting Redbuds, Fighting Skunk Apes, and Illinois River Monsters.


The NSU Packers . . . they could then call their fans the "Commodity Cheese Heads."

:D

crimson&cream
8/23/2006, 12:54 PM
Just what are they going to be watching for? :confused:
Scalpes.!