Senate gets ball rolling on Const. ban of Gay marriage!

[sooner n houston]

WASHINGTON - A Senate committee approved a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage Thursday, after a shouting match that ended when one Democrat strode out and the Republican chairman bid him "good riddance."

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Amid increasing partisan tension over President Bush's judicial nominees and domestic wiretapping, the panel voted along party lines to send the constitutional amendment — which would prohibit states from recognizing same-sex marriages — to the full Senate, where it stands little chance of passing.

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"Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman," reads the measure, which would require approval by two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states.

"Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman," it says.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has scheduled a vote on the proposed amendment the week of June 5.
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[SoonerInKCMO]

You gotta admit that congress is pretty good at throwing inflammatory things out there to distract the populace from real issues and problems.

[Fugue]

HEY SENATE, SECURE THE FRIGGIN' BORDERS.

[Mjcpr]

HEY SENATE, SECURE THE FRIGGIN' BORDERS.

Why, is someone trying to enter the Senate illegally?

:confused:

[Hamhock]

HEY SENATE: OKLAHOMA COLLEGE ATHLETES CURRENTLY WEARING 28 SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENTER NFL DRAFT EARLY

[Hamhock]

Why, is someone trying to enter the Senate illegally?

:confused:


yea, that bug-eyed chick from atlanta?

[Fugue]

Why, is someone trying to enter the Senate illegally?

:confused:

Nope, common sense tried but it was quickly deported. :D

[Mjcpr]

If common sense isn't going to mow my yard, who will?

[Rhino]

You gotta admit that congress is pretty good at throwing inflammatory things out there to distract the populace from real issues and problems. Yesterday was an extension of the tax break.
Today is gay marraige.
Next will be something about abortion.

[Fugue]

If common sense isn't going to mow my yard, who will?

your partner?

[Herr Scholz]

Yesterday was an extension of the tax break.
Today is gay marraige.
Next will be something about abortion.
Exactly. Just in time for the midterm elections. :rolleyes: Typical Republican distractions.

[SoonerInKCMO]

They must have read that article in the NY Times a couple of days ago where leaders of various conservative groups were threatening to pull their support during the mid-term elections because they felt the administration had reneged on promises about a gay marriage amendment and various other conservative agenda items.

[Jimminy Crimson]

:les: IF YOU WANT IN OUR COUNTRY, COME LEGALLY!

Sorry, wrong thread. ;)

[IronSooner]

Yet another example of the government's new pre-emption ethic: stopping gay divorce before it can even start.

[Herr Scholz]

If gay people want to be miserable like the rest of us, I say have at it.

[SicEmBaylor]

Dear Senate,

Please stop stripping away the proper role and rights of the individual states and stop the trend of centralization in what is suppose to be a federal republic.

Thank you,
-SicEmBaylor

[sooner n houston]

Dear Senate,

Please stop stripping away the proper role and rights of the individual states and stop the trend of centralization in what is suppose to be a federal republic.

Thank you,
-SicEmBaylor

Dear SicEm, See supreme court! TIA!

[SicEmBaylor]

Dear SicEm, See supreme court! TIA!
:sigh: You can't lay it all at the feet of the Supreme Court. Congress and the Executive certainly have a large share of the blame.

[Scott D]

Dear SicEm, See supreme court! TIA!

all you have done is proven his argument that the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of this country have overstepped their bounds in federalizing a republic.

Seems to me that the states did a good enough job making it illegal in a large majority of them without the intervention of the federal goverment on their behalf.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

HEY SENATE, SECURE THE FRIGGIN' BORDERS.

Yeah...Keep them Canadians where they belong

[StoopTroup]

Gays should marry in Mexico.

[handcrafted]

I imagine Gandalf will be ****ed...

Linky (http://www.mckellen.com/epost/m021110.htm#l)

[Scott D]

I doubt he will care....seeing as how he's not a US Citizen.

[handcrafted]

You gotta admit that congress is pretty good at throwing inflammatory things out there to distract the populace from real issues and problems.

And, voting on silly throwaway feel-good legislation that has no chance of passing, just for a PR op and mud to sling at the opposition. Both sides do it, but I expect it out of the Dems. I have been really disappointed with this Congress.

Common sense has left the building, indeed. Instead of tackling the real issue, which is the need to reign in the Federal Courts' jurisdiction across the board, they put out this silly thing which is like a band-aid for a sucking chest wound. But, I guess "Federal Court jurisdiction" is not a sexy campaign issue, especially given the ingnorance of 90% of the population about what actually goes on in our judicial system and how our republic is supposed to function.

I'm no Confederate sympathizer, but they had a point about states' rights.

[handcrafted]

I doubt he will care....seeing as how he's not a US Citizen.

Well, he's not a Christian either, but he feels the need to mutilate Bibles. So, I figured he'd care about the Constitution of another country as well.

[Scott D]

Well, he's not a Christian either, but he feels the need to mutilate Bibles. So, I figured he'd care about the Constitution of another country as well.

Well unless there is a book with a copy of our laws in his hotel room I doubt he'll be caring much about it. I believe he's already stated he'd prefer to spend as little time in this country as possible because of various things in the past.

[OklahomaTuba]

Good, Keep his queer *** out of here.

Last thing this country needs is more hate filled bigot euro-trash like him in this country telling us how bad America is for not accepting his chosen lifestyle and method of sexual intercourse.

[Scott D]

Good, Keep his queer *** out of here.

Last thing this country needs is more hate filled bigot euro-trash like him in this country telling us how bad America is for not accepting his chosen lifestyle.

the irony in this post is just dripping....like a steak on the grill.

[OklahomaTuba]

the irony in this post is just dripping....like a steak on the grill.
;)

Part of it was in jest.

[Scott D]

;)

Part of it was in jest.

heh....the sad part is that there are folks who wouldn't have any jesting in a statement like that in this country.

[OklahomaTuba]

Well, I agree with this admendment in principle.
Anything that protects Marriage and encourages it, I am for 100%.

I don't think domestic partnerships should be banned though.

And Sir Ian is a dumbass IMO. Great actor for sure, but beyond that he is a noob.

[picasso]

me love you long time.

-Howzit

[Octavian]

what right does govt have in the business of marriage? gay or straight?

State-sanctioned marriage is, in itself, an endorsement of religion. The State should only recognize civil unions...period. If a couple wants to get married, thats between them, their religious institution, and God.

The American Govt should stay out of marriage completely (thus eliminating this debate) and the radical socio-cultural wing of the conservative party needs to stop embarassing this great country in the eyes of other modern nations and in the pages of history.

[jk the sooner fan]

we should get an imjebus sighting any time now...

[mrssoonerhubler]

I don't have the patience to read through this whole thread-so- I am not liberal, but I say--Let the gays get married if they want to--who cares?

[SicEmBaylor]

I don't have the patience to read through this whole thread-so- I am not liberal, but I say--Let the gays get married if they want to--who cares?

Ideally, the government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all except to keep records. However, so long as there are laws that apply to married couples then the government is going to have to define exactly what constitutes a marriage. That being said, the people of each state through their elected state officialls should make the determination what does and does not constitute a marriage consistent with the beliefs of the people of those states.

Personally, I could care less what gays do or who they do it with but I believe in the principle that each state should be allowed to define marriage however they'd like.

[KaiserSooner]

what right does govt have in the business of marriage? gay or straight?

State-sanctioned marriage is, in itself, an endorsement of religion. The State should only recognize civil unions...period. If a couple wants to get married, thats between them, their religious institution, and God.

The American Govt should stay out of marriage completely (thus eliminating this debate) and the radical socio-cultural wing of the conservative party needs to stop embarassing this great country in the eyes of other modern nations and in the pages of history.

Totally agree.

And SicEm, as Octavain points out above, the state doesn't need to define marriage....just go with civil unions for all, and let each individual religious institution concern themselves with marriage.

[Jimminy Crimson]

Like with liquor laws, will states that allow butt pirate unions be referred to as 'wet'? :norm:

[picasso]

I don't have the patience to read through this whole thread-so- I am not liberal, but I say--Let the gays get married if they want to--who cares?
another step down the societal decline.

[OklahomaTuba]

I don't have the patience to read through this whole thread-so- I am not liberal, but I say--Let the gays get married if they want to--who cares?
Because, it isn't marriage.

Marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman, of which the traditional family structure and birthrate of this country depends on.

Also, it is against the Judeo-Christian culture & traditions of this nation and its people.

[OklahomaTuba]

another step down the societal decline.

Anything that seeks to destroy the traditional family structure does indeed send us into decline as a people.

Western Europe is in decline. I don't think the socialist-"progressive" movements in those nations is just a coincidence.

Also, it doesn't help that the Church is in Apostasy.

[etouffee]

Anything that seeks to destroy the traditional family structure does indeed send us into decline as a people. How does allowing gays to marry "seek to destryoy the traditional family structure", exactly? Is it going to prevent any straight couples from marrying and forming a traditionally structured family, if they're so inclined? That would remain 100% legal under every proposal I've seen. Or are you holding out hope that gay citizens who would marry each other if it were legal are going to turn straight and form traditionally structured families instead? I'm at a loss to see the impact on, much less the destruction of, the traditionally structured family if gay marriage is legalized.

Perhaps what you really meant to say was "Anything that allows gay people to have the same rights as us straight people sends us into decline as a people."

I'd also be curious to know your thoughts on other, non-gay yet non-traditionally-structured families, and to what degree you perceive them as a threat to the traditionally structured family and a contributor to our decline as a people. (At a minimum that would include single-parent adoptive households, straight couples who marry and decide not to have children, and straight couples who have children and live together but opt not to marry) Should such arrangements be prohibited by law as well?

Seems to me that if indeed we are "in decline as a people", there are a hell of a lot of other causative factors already in motion, and that gay marriage, if legalized, would either fail to make the list entirely or find itself at the very bottom. Can you give some specific examples of how it might contribute in any significant way to our decline as a people?

*I'm not advocating for legalized gay marriage, by the way. I'm against it, but for different reasons. I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate and trying to point out the questions raised when opposition is stated in such high sounding yet vague terms.


Western Europe is in decline. I don't think the socialist-"progressive" movements in those nations is just a coincidence.How have such movements contributed to the decline you're speaking of, and how do you account for the fact that many other regions and nations which have no socialist-"progressive" movements are also "in decline"?

[Scott D]

what right does govt have in the business of marriage? gay or straight?

$$$$$$


State-sanctioned marriage is, in itself, an endorsement of religion. The State should only recognize civil unions...period. If a couple wants to get married, thats between them, their religious institution, and God.

it makes it harder for them to take more $$$$$$$ if they do it your way.


The American Govt should stay out of marriage completely (thus eliminating this debate) and the radical socio-cultural wing of the conservative party needs to stop embarassing this great country in the eyes of other modern nations and in the pages of history.

It's all about the $$$$$.

Regardless, I thought that 2004 showed that the individuals of states were capable of deciding for themselves whether or not they wanted to allow certain things to be laws...they certainly didn't need any grandstanding on the part of the Federal Slumlordment.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Now Now, Let's leave Gandalf out of this....When he is acting gay...he is officially Magneto at those times!!! Scott you are talking crazy...Republicans are HUGE anti-spending....It's the dims trying to help poor people to stay on welfare so they can get those sweet benefits. Republicans put the money where it belongs...Exxon!! Not one single executive in Exxon or Haliburton has EVAR gotten a welfare check. Why is that? Because they sit in their office all day making phone calls ....Phone calls....do you know how tiring it is pushing those buttons(thank God for secretaries calling and connecting then just making it where they only have to push one button) Could you imagine them having to push 11 buttons to call someone. I mean we need to stop the gays(who got all the posh jobs of cutting hairs and designing clothes) and the illegals(who harvest most of the plants in the southwest and save Wal Mart millions).

[NormanPride]

I'd just like to chime in and say I agree with Octavian.

[Hamhock]

So, if an executive job, making millions of dollars is as easy as pushing buttons, why don't you have one?

[picasso]

So, if an executive job, making millions of dollars is as easy as pushing buttons, why don't you have one?
heh.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

And how do you know I don't have one actually ;) If you look at executives at large companies...you will see that lots of them have the same last name.....just saying

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

3) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.


That actually made me chuckle :P

[Hamhock]

And how do you know I don't have one actually ;) If you look at executives at large companies...you will see that lots of them have the same last name.....just saying

Because if you did have one, you'd have a better appreciation for the hard work it takes to get one, rather than making stupid innuendos that they are handed out by the republican party to cronies.

What's an example of "lots of them have the same last name"?

[Vaevictis]

I wonder which of the states the anti-gay-marriage amendment people expect to flip to make this happen.

Dems control 19 state legislatures, and only need to "hold" 17 defeat an amendment. Republicans control only 20, and need 34.

Seems like an uphill battle for the Republicans to me.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Let's see, what is a common name of most Wal Mart executives....How many Rockefellers run companies. Are you saying that a Mexican working in 100 degree heat harvesting tomatoes for 50 cents an hour 80 hours a week work just around the same as a business executive? Has the executives of Enron, Exxon, or Haliburton made a bigger contribution to society than school teachers? I am not saying they aren't working, because I am sure it is hard going to meetings and talking and reading reports and using their heads....I am just saying the BIG shots of industry have the Republicans AND Democrats in their back pocket and they control WAY too much of this country.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Thank God, Our President earned his oil industry shot through his hard work and dedication :P

[Hamhock]

Let's see, what is a common name of most Wal Mart executives....How many Rockefellers run companies. Are you saying that a Mexican working in 100 degree heat harvesting tomatoes for 50 cents an hour 80 hours a week work just around the same as a business executive? Has the executives of Enron, Exxon, or Haliburton made a bigger contribution to society than school teachers? I am not saying they aren't working, because I am sure it is hard going to meetings and talking and reading reports and using their heads....I am just saying the BIG shots of industry have the Republicans AND Democrats in their back pocket and they control WAY too much of this country.


Damn Waltons....had their jobs just given to them. They obviously didn't deserve it and haven't conributed...just look how the company's value has declined since Mr. Walton died. :rolleyes:

I'm saying the Mexican working in 100 degree heat for 50 cents an hours is doing so illegally. If not illegally, he is doing so of his own free will. Why doesn't he go to college and get a better job?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Yeah, he can afford the same Harvard Education that Enron, Exxon, and Haliburton Execs can afford. I am sure a first generation immigrant can get the loan to pay for that... and I am sure an Orange County Community College Degree will definetly get you a job working for the offices of these companies..

[Hamhock]

You win. Anyone who is successful in business got there because it was given to them by the republicans.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I am just saying the BIG shots of industry have the Republicans AND Democrats in their back pocket and they control WAY too much of this country.

Cough Cough

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

My problem with the big business is that if I go into a store and rob $100 I am going to Prison for a long while...and I am talking OZ raping of my *** type prison. Kenneth Lay is probably going to either not go to Prison or go to a Prison with decorating contest and swimming pools

[Hamhock]

Now Now, Let's leave Gandalf out of this....When he is acting gay...he is officially Magneto at those times!!! Scott you are talking crazy...Republicans are HUGE anti-spending....It's the dims trying to help poor people to stay on welfare so they can get those sweet benefits. Republicans put the money where it belongs...Exxon!! Not one single executive in Exxon or Haliburton has EVAR gotten a welfare check. Why is that? Because they sit in their office all day making phone calls ....Phone calls....do you know how tiring it is pushing those buttons(thank God for secretaries calling and connecting then just making it where they only have to push one button) Could you imagine them having to push 11 buttons to call someone. I mean we need to stop the gays(who got all the posh jobs of cutting hairs and designing clothes) and the illegals(who harvest most of the plants in the southwest and save Wal Mart millions).


vomit. vomit

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Honestly, that whole thing I thought reeked of sarcasm.....I don't think Democrats care about poor people and I don't think Republicans care about rich people unless it makes them richer...same goes for Democrats. The political process is even more of a joke than the executives who manipulate them. Look at the last names of politiicians....they definetly don't change often

[Hamhock]

My problem with the big business is that if I go into a store and rob $100 I am going to Prison for a long while...and I am talking OZ raping of my *** type prison. Kenneth Lay is probably going to either not go to Prison or go to a Prison with decorating contest and swimming pools

and therefore, everyone associated with big business is crooked and coddled by the government?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Yes because this is Soonerfans.com, it is called vast over-simplification of a complex issue, I believe it is called Tubaizing. ;)

[Ike]

this thread went to the crapper pretty fast. Not unsimilar to the fate awaiting the ammendment mentioned in the title I presume.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

It may have been the first thread that started gay and ended politically ;)