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snp
5/10/2006, 01:47 PM
According to Scout.com

Italicized guys are some of our targets.



1. Tray Allen, OT, South Grand Prairie, 6-4, 305-Texas
2. John Chiles, QB, Mansfield Summit, 6-1,192-Texas
3. Ryan Mallett, QB, Texarkana, 6-6, 225-Michigan
4. Curtis Brown, WR/DB, Gilmer, 5-11, 177-Texas
5. Andre Jones, DT, El Paso Andress, 6-4, 305-Texas
6. Richetti Jones, DE, Dallas Lincoln, 6-3, 225
7. Terrance Toliver, WR, Hempstead, 6-5, 182 Favors TAMU and LSU right now
8. Lennon Creer, RB, Tatum, 6-1,190[/I] Favors Miami
9. Ron Brooks, ATH, Irving MacArthur, 6-0, 170 Loves USC
10. Cody Johnson, RB, Waller, 5-10, 220-Texas
11. Christian Scott, S, Dallas Skyline, 5-11, 185
12. Derrick Stephens, LB, Cypress Falls, 6-3, 220-Texas A&M
13. Jarvis Jones, OT, Rosenberg Lamar Consol, 6-7, 250
14. Malcolm Williams, WR, Garland, 6-3, 205-Texas
15. Kyle Hix, OT, Aledo, 6-6, 305-Texas
16. Keenan Robinson, LB, Plano East, 6-3, 209-Texas
17. Dez Bryant, WR, Lufkin, 6-1, 197 Favors OU
18. Michael Huey, OG, Kilgore, 6-5, 290-Texas
19. Nick Trice, WR, Harker Heights, 6-1, 185
20. Jarrett Lee, QB, Brenham, 6-3, 188
21. Justin Sturns, RB, Rusk, 5-9, 203
22.Aundre McGaskey, OG, La Marque, 6-4, 290-Texas
23. James Kirkendoll, WR, Round Rock, 5-10, 167 Might be favoring NU
24. Russell Carter, DE, Houston Westbury, 6-3, 230-Texas
25. Ben Wells, CB, Beaumont Ozen, 6-0, 185-Texas
26. Stephen Thomas, DT, Lancaster, 6-3, 287
27. Earl Thomas, CB, West Orange Stark, 5-10, 175-Texas
28. Ben Bass, DE, Plano West, 6-4, 255
29. Billy Chavis, TE, Beaumont Westbrook, 6-5, 220
30. Bradley Stephens, RB, McAllen Memorial, 5-10, 176-Texas A&M
31. Matt Nader, OT, Austin Westlake, 6-6, 295-Texas
32. Marcus Mendoza, RB, Houston Spring Woods, 5-9, 175
33. Nick Fanuzzi, QB, San Antonio Churchill, 6-2, 200-Miami
34. James Thomas, S, La Marque, 5-11, 176
35. Von Miller, LB, DeSoto, 6-2, 211
36. Joseph Reese, RB, Pflugerville Hendrickson, 6-2, 175-Texas A&M
37. Chris Perry, DT, Keller Fossil Ridge, 6-3, 320
38. Brandon Williams, ATH, Beaumont Central, 6-4, 210-Texas A&M
39. Brandon Joiner, DE, Killeen Shoemaker, 6-2, 211
40. Foswhitt Whitaker, RB/CB, Pearland, 5-9, 178-Texas
41. Lonnie Edwards, OT, Brownsboro, 6-5, 315
42. Detron Lewis, WR, College Station A&M Consol, 6-0, 185
43. Ahmard Howard, TE, Brenham, 6-4, 240-Texas
44. Anthony Morgan, OT, Lancaster, 6-4, 335
45. Brock Mansion, QB, Dallas Episcopal, 6-5, 215
46. Gilbert Moye, QB, Diboll, 6-2, 200
47. Tekerrien Cuba, S, Tyler Lee, 6-2, 185
48. Barry Valcin, CB, Port Arthur Memorial, 5-11, 174-LSU
49. Darnius Moore, WR, Tatum, 6-0, 175
50. Jerrod Gooch, OG, Vidor, 6-5, 296-Texas
51. Sam Proctor, RB, Pearland, 6-1, 190
52. Jacob Amie, TE, Tyler Lee, 6-4.5, 230
53. Joe Chaisson, QB, Beaumont Westbrook, 6-2, 161
54. Shawnbrey McNeal, RB, Dallas Madison, 5-11, 180
55. Marquis Frazier, DE, Garland, 6-3, 240
56. John Jones, OT, Cedar Hill, 6-4.5, 305
57. Jamell Fleming, CB, 5-10, 179
58. Marquis Franklin, OT, John Tyler, 6-6, 320
59. Desmond Jackson, S, Seguin, 6-0, 180
60. G.J. Kinne, QB, Gilmer, 6-1, 215
61. Blake Emert, OT, Garland Sachse, 6-5, 270-Texas Tech
62. Tejay Johnson, S, South Garland, 6-0, 180
63. Nick Foles, QB, Austin Westlake, 6-5, 240
64. Romie Blaylock, WR, Cedar Hill, 5-9, 160
65. Courtney Green, OG, Corsicana, 6-4, 280
66. Dante Pinchback, TE, Irving, 6-4, 250
67. Bret Harris, S, Irving MacArthur, 5-11, 180
68. Dominique Buchanan, LB, Gilmer, 6-1, 235
69. Curtis Thomas, S, Aldine, 6-1, 190
70. Mickey Okafor, OT, Houston Westbury, 6-6, 290-Houston
71. Shawn Sullivan, CB, Brenham, 5-11, 175-TCU
72. Frank Avery, TE, Galveston Ball, 6-5, 203
73. Charles Opeseyitan, RB, Allen, 5-11, 200
74. Levar Brown, DE, Rosenberg Lamar Consol, 6-3, 239
75. Drew Dudley, LB, College Station A&M Consol, 6-2, 221
76. Chris Sanders, LB, Corsicana, 6-0, 195
77. Michael Ray, DE, La Marque, 6-2, 236
78. Travis Lewis, RB/LB, San Antonio Lee, 6-2, 215
79. Rashad Hawk, WR, Copperas Cove, 6-2, 180
80. Nathan Dick, QB, Allen, 6-2, 195
81. Jacody Coleman, DE, Beaumont Westbrook, 6-2, 235
82. Jamarion Cavness, RB, Missouri City Marshall, 5-9, 175-TCU
83. Brandon Collins, WR, Brenham, 5-10, 185
84. John Turner, WR, South Garland, 5-11, 195
85. Larry Rosebud, CB, North Mesquite, 5-10, 170
86. Phillip Ofili,S, Cypress Creek, 6-0, 185
87. Rex McDougald, DT, Iola, 6-2, 290-Baylor
88. Ahmad Jones, DT, Silsbee, 6-2, 320
89. Quentin Castille, FB, La Porte, 6-2, 230
90. Justin Chatman, CB, Mesquite Horn, 5-11, 169
91. Josh Leribeus, OG, Richardson Berkner, 6-3, 321
92. Chris Francis, LB, Cedar Hill, 6-1, 210
93. Jack Freeman, WR, Cypress Falls, 5-9, 160
94. Raphael Guidry, DE, La Marque, 6-4, 230
95. Donte Neal, S, Arlington Seguin, 5-11, 190
96. Alex Russian, TE, Round Rock, 6-4, 225
97. Tyrell Higgins, DT, Schertz Clemens, 6-3, 254- Oklahoma State
98. Greg McCoy, CB, Woodrow Wilson, 5-10, 165
99. Kenny Sims, LB, Arlington Seguin, 5-11, 211
100. Brandon Oliver, RB, Mansfield Summit, 5-11, 180


I stopped looking around for leads around 50 because I got bored. If someone wants to update any of this information, post in this thread and we can keep it updated as time moves along.

Texas sure is building a wall around Texas...

Also, does anyone have a list from Rivals on all the players we've offered so far? Or at least how many? Doesn't seem like we're after many at all. And it looks like OSU is throwing offers at anyone who can walk.

The Consumate Showman
5/10/2006, 03:01 PM
Texas always builds up a wall, or at least tries to. We will get some of these kids, though. I'm saying we get Richetti Jones and one or both of the Bass and Thomas kids for DE prospects. We lose a lot of depth at DE after this year, so we should attract some MAJOR interest in DE's this year. I think we are also hot on this Joe Chaisson kid. Haven't heard much other than that.

I think we are only going to have about 15 scholly's to offer this year, so we will probably be pretty picky. Box and Bumpus are two of the top 2 in the state, probably Box #1 and Bumpus #3, and the Union OL we offered, Romine, is supposed to be the best in the state at OL as is the Broyles kid, CB, from Norman High. Both are rumored to be leaning to commit to OU early on. The LB, Reed, from Cali is supposed to be one of the best JUCO LB in America so I think we are doing really good for it to be so early in the game.

Does anyone else think that OU might fill up their recruits a little faster this year since we will NOT be taking as many kids this year? I think we will be getting a lot of recruits to commit a lot faster when Stoops tells these kids and their parents that they might not have a scholly waiting on them if they can't make up their mind.

Soonerwolf
5/10/2006, 05:08 PM
Any word or info on the QB prospect - Kinne?

Hook 'em

BASSooner
5/10/2006, 05:14 PM
rivals thinks hes favoring OU and as for the recruiting in texas...attention people..."rankings" are flukes. I mean yeah these kids going to whornland are gonna be good but they are not like heisman-mode or anything. Mack can go and try to get the best ranked players in the country but Stoops is looking at EACH target VERY carefully and notice he's just not trying to recruit every guy from the top 20 in texas or anything. He's targeting these guys for a specific reason and being ranked in the "top 20" in the state is NOT one of them

BASSooner
5/10/2006, 05:16 PM
oh and uhhh Kyle Hix goes to my school I wish I was good friends with him so i can persuade him to be a sooner:(

toast
5/10/2006, 05:50 PM
40. Foswhitt Whitaker, RB/CB, Pearland, 5-9, 178-Texas



I thought he was pretty good in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

snp
5/10/2006, 06:49 PM
attention people..."rankings" are flukes. I mean yeah these kids going to whornland are gonna be good but they are not like heisman-mode or anything. Mack can go and try to get the best ranked players in the country but Stoops is looking at EACH target VERY carefully and notice he's just not trying to recruit every guy from the top 20 in texas or anything. He's targeting these guys for a specific reason and being ranked in the "top 20" in the state is NOT one of them

Every time rankings get brought up someone has to point out that they don't mean anything. WE KNOW THIS. But we need something statistical to talk about. You want me to post EVERY prospect in Texas? Not very feasible. But if scout comes out with a list that they think will be very good, then it's worth discussing.

And come on, implying Mack doesn't focus on recruiting just as much as Stoops is dumb. Mack probably focuses more on recruiting than Stoops. That's his strength. His class is almost full, he's done his homework. Edit: Mack and Stoops have battled over committs this class. Just like always.

Maybe the reason why Mack has targeted some of those top-20 kids is because they are the best.


But let's not let this turn into a bitchfest over rankings. I just want to get some discussion going on in this bia.

BASSooner
5/10/2006, 07:22 PM
Every time rankings get brought up someone has to point out that they don't mean anything. WE KNOW THIS. But we need something statistical to talk about. You want me to post EVERY prospect in Texas? Not very feasible. But if scout comes out with a list that they think will be very good, then it's worth discussing.

And come on, implying Mack doesn't focus on recruiting just as much as Stoops is dumb. Mack probably focuses more on recruiting than Stoops. That's his strength. His class is almost full, he's done his homework. Edit: Mack and Stoops have battled over committs this class. Just like always.

Maybe the reason why Mack has targeted some of those top-20 kids is because they are the best.


But let's not let this turn into a bitchfest over rankings. I just want to get some discussion going on in this bia.
i know you know it. it's all good. There are just some people out there that don't and i'm just letting them know that rankings are not a huge deal. The thing I have in bold there is which this year that was right but in the previous years mack has always brought in great talent from texas. i dont think either coach is stupid. they both have their own strategies that deal with recruiting. and im not tryin to bitch about the whole recruiting deal im just sayin that some people don't know really know and i know that you are not in that group

The Consumate Showman
5/11/2006, 12:09 PM
Okay. So, what's with Richetti Jones? Last I heard he's favoring OU as he should since Mack has already got his class signed basically and OU is going to be in dire need of DE's this year.

soonerndn
5/11/2006, 12:23 PM
I don't see Terrael Williams on the list. Also, we're supposedly going after G.J. Kinne who is the 8th QB on the list. Hmmm

NormanPride
5/11/2006, 12:30 PM
I find it amazing that Texas ALREADY has 16 guys. Wow. They must have a lot of confidence in their talent evaluation...

snp
5/11/2006, 03:20 PM
Okay. So, what's with Richetti Jones? Last I heard he's favoring OU as he should since Mack has already got his class signed basically and OU is going to be in dire need of DE's this year.

Yea, you gotta figure we're the leader right now for him. Here's a little blurb from a week ago



“I don’t have a top five,” said Jones. “I am telling all the coaches that it is all up in the air. I am giving all the coaches a chance. I am just going to be watching everything before the season starts. Before the season starts I am going to narrow my choices down to a top five or top ten. I will watch them and try to make it to some of their games during the season.”

Oklahoma has offered, so what are Jones' thoughts on the Sooners?

“I say I don’t have a top five, but just know they will be there in my final five,” said Jones. “Oklahoma has a winning tradition and they have played in two of the last three National Championship games. I know they have a good program.”

What about the Texas Longhorns, who Jones is rumored to be leaning to?

“I don’t know right now where I am leaning,” said Jones. “I really don’t know. Sure, Texas is in the picture. They are the National Champs. I didn’t grow up a fan of Texas per say, but I grew up a fan of whoever was winning National Championships. Growing up, Miami was the best thing since sliced bread. Then Oklahoma had their time and now Texas is winning. It just varies, but when I was young I was wanting to go to all those schools. So now that I am finally in a position to go to a s

snp
5/11/2006, 03:23 PM
I don't see Terrael Williams on the list. Also, we're supposedly going after G.J. Kinne who is the 8th QB on the list. Hmmm

I don't think that list could support Williams.

But man I hope we land that guy so we have a fatter Mo.

And, that list is real premature. Kinne could go way up if he duplicates his JR season.

Herr Scholz
5/11/2006, 03:45 PM
I find it amazing that Texas ALREADY has 16 guys. Wow. They must have a lot of confidence in their talent evaluation...
We have 19 verbals at this point. There are 17 on that list above (CB Ben Wells #25 isn't bolded). We also have 5-star QB John Brantley from Ocala, Florida and a TE Zack Pianalto from Springdale, AR.

http://texas.rivals.com/commitlist.asp

Our staff evaluates players extensively during their junior years. After the season, they've identified the players they think are 'can't miss' ones. These are the guys they offer after they've seen them at the UT junior days in March. Everybody's just jumping on early this year. Typically Mack offers all the Texas kids we want and then starts looking around the country for a handful of kids to fill needs. This system seems to be working for us.

BASSooner
5/12/2006, 12:08 AM
We have 19 verbals at this point. There are 17 on that list above (CB Ben Wells #25 isn't bolded). We also have 5-star QB John Brantley from Ocala, Florida and a TE Zack Pianalto from Springdale, AR.

http://texas.rivals.com/commitlist.asp

Our staff evaluates players extensively during their junior years. After the season, they've identified the players they think are 'can't miss' ones. These are the guys they offer after they've seen them at the UT junior days in March. Everybody's just jumping on early this year. Typically Mack offers all the Texas kids we want and then starts looking around the country for a handful of kids to fill needs. This system seems to be working for us.
didnt u say that mack has had this system since he arrived at saxet?

47straight
5/12/2006, 01:07 AM
You can have the top 25 players in the whole damn state of Texas, and I'll take whoever Bob thinks is best for us.






Oh yeah, the catch is that you have to keep Mack and we keep Stoops.

Herr Scholz
5/12/2006, 09:25 AM
didnt u say that mack has had this system since he arrived at saxet?
Pretty much, yeah. It's gotten earlier and earlier over the past few years.

Herr Scholz
5/12/2006, 09:28 AM
You can have the top 25 players in the whole damn state of Texas, and I'll take whoever Bob thinks is best for us.

You mean like when he recruited Paul Thompson as a QB and VY as a WR? ;)

I'm happy to keep Mack. He's a good man. He's also a great CEO of the program and has surrounded himself with an increasingly talented coaching staff.

The Consumate Showman
5/12/2006, 10:04 AM
Well guys, we all know the saying when it comes to OU and Sexat....

"Bob Stoops and OU run a boot camp and Mack Brown runs a country club."

I think we should all start to notice just how successful Bob is going to be in the NCAA with winning Championships and sending good quality athletes to the pros. I mean, look at this year's team and subsequent draft....we go 8-4 and still send 5 in the draft and have 6 UDFA.

Those tejas boys sure didn't do what I think most people thought they would in the draft, at least when you read what these whore-n posters say.....tejas supposedly has the best front OL int he nation and they can't even send one in the first round??? OU had a 1st and 2nd and we struggled by most accounts........I guess NFL scouts and coaches like players that work hard for what they get and don't sit around waiting for someone to hand-feed it to them....

Herr Scholz
5/12/2006, 10:28 AM
tejas supposedly has the best front OL int he nation and they can't even send one in the first round???
Two OL left, we get 3 back. Jonathan Scott was drafted by Detroit and Will Allen signed on with New Orleans. And UT has just as many NFL players as OU (albeit more pro bowlers and super bowlers last year).


As for Mack Brown, he continues to have great success producing NFL-caliber players. During his 22-year career as a head coach, he has now seen 76 of his former players selected in the NFL Draft. This year’s draft marks the 21st consecutive draft in which one of Brown’s players has been selected. In fact, Brown has produced at least one NFL draft pick in 21 of his 22 seasons as a head coach. Brown has coached 15 players (11 at Texas/four at North Carolina) who have been selected in the first round of the NFL Draft over the past nine years and he has had at least one first-round selection in eight of the last 11 NFL Drafts. He has coached 32 draft picks over the past eight years.
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=40&url_article_id=2063&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

soonerspiff
5/12/2006, 10:35 AM
You can have the top 25 players in the whole damn state of Texas, and I'll take whoever Bob thinks is best for us.


...so wait, you really think Bob wouldn't want the top 25 guys in the state of Texas? I'm sure we'll sign a great class and won't skip a beat, but to suggest that OU wouldn't want some of the commits that texas is getting... you need to take off those crimson shades, my friend.

The Consumate Showman
5/12/2006, 11:09 AM
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=40&url_article_id=2063&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2


Okay HER, I'm now going to shut you up. you ready??

Mack has been a head coach for 22 YEARS!!! Bob is going into his 8th!!!!. Bob has produced a Heisman winner and runner-up, Maxwell, Camp, OUtland, Butkus, Thorpe, Lombardi, and semi-finalsits for all the other major awards...He's won 3 Big XII titles and a NC and two runner-ups, sent argueably the best college safety EVER to the NFL where he is KILLING.....

Did Mack do this in his first seven years??? And please, don't give me the crap about the difference between OU and UNC. When Bob came here, we were in the toilet as a football team. Bob simply has a greater attitude than any other coach I've seen and when he said this in his press conference when we hired him, I know of several of my friends that RAN to get season tickets: "We will have NO excuses at Oklahoma."

After 22 years it's about freakin time Mack won a NC. With the talent pool he gets, he should contend most years, but there is where we get down to the difference in coaching. You won't see Bob just turn over the offense to Rhett because maybe Rhett could do a better job just doing what he wants. VY was you guy's "once in a lifetime player". Let's see what happens this year when the old Mack system tries to make a comeback....

Herr Scholz
5/12/2006, 11:21 AM
Okay HER, I'm now going to shut you up. you ready??
No need. I think Stoops is a great coach. One of the best in the country. He's done a phenomenal job in a short amount of time.

But I think the coaching STAFF at UT is better than the staff at OU now. OU's lost a lot of coaches to attrition the past several years whereas UT has been steadily improving our coordinators and position coaches. If you compare both staffs in 2000 to what they are now, they're clearly different.

And it's true that Mack finally got over the hump with the national and conference titles. But he's sent scores of players to the NFL and has coached many award winning college players as well: Heisman winner, Heisman runner-up, Doak Walker (2), Maxwell, Butkus, Thorpe and several other finalists for major awards.


You won't see Bob just turn over the offense to Rhett because maybe Rhett could do a better job just doing what he wants. VY was you guy's "once in a lifetime player". Let's see what happens this year when the old Mack system tries to make a comeback....
We'll definitely see. But I would also add that OU has some questions of its own on offense in terms of new coaches, new coordinator and the continuing rebuilding job on the OL. Stoops can't magically improve all of that instantaneously.

The Consumate Showman
5/12/2006, 12:27 PM
Good coaches figure a way to make the necessary changes to win. We did pretty good for a Kevion Wilson trial run in the Holiday Bowl against the number 6 ranked team and the only other new coach we have is our OL coach, which is probably a welcome addition since Patten has had MARKED success with OL out of Northwestern. I think our OL has only one direction to go in and that is up. We get bigger and a little more experience this year which should help a great deal. As an OU fan, I am most worried about Bomar. To me, he alone is our question mark this year....

snp
5/12/2006, 01:08 PM
Mack does less with more, we know this. Hopefully Chizik peaces out of UT before he takes over. We might have problems then.


You mean like when he recruited Paul Thompson as a QB and VY as a WR? ;)


More like Derrick Strait.

AustinTXHorn
5/12/2006, 04:28 PM
Mack and Stoops both have one national title. They both have two BCS bowl victories. Yet for some reason, people continue to talk like Mack Brown like he's Mackovic, Blake, or Schnelly.

And BAS, maybe I'm reading your first post wrong, but you seem to be implying that Texas just offers everyone in Texas whether they are studs or not. At last check, Texas had given out a grand total of 24 offers with 19 commits. There may be a few more offers now, but that's a pretty close figure at least.

Not to mention that saying Mack recruits based on rankings, even though it seems like half of his commits came before any of these rankings ever appeared, is flat out nuts.

Long story short, Mack Brown obviously only offers the players that he feels fit the team best. Very low number of offers.

The Consumate Showman
5/14/2006, 03:04 PM
Mack and Stoops both have one national title. They both have two BCS bowl victories. Yet for some reason, people continue to talk like Mack Brown like he's Mackovic, Blake, or Schnelly.



What we're saying is that Mcak, much like the university of Saxet, is an underachiever. :)

Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em

47straight
5/14/2006, 07:01 PM
...so wait, you really think Bob wouldn't want the top 25 guys in the state of Texas? I'm sure we'll sign a great class and won't skip a beat, but to suggest that OU wouldn't want some of the commits that texas is getting... you need to take off those crimson shades, my friend.

Nowhere did I suggest that it wouldn't be nice to have the top 25 players in Texas.

(Though I think limiting yourself to just TX players is a bad idea.)


I'm sure that Stoops would like some of the recruits that end up going to Texas, I didn't deny that either.


What I did say is that given my choice - Mack with the top 25 TX players, or Stoops with the 25 he finds here there and everywhere, regardless of ranking - there is no question which one I'd rather have.


And I don't think that's wearing crimson glasses.

47straight
5/14/2006, 07:05 PM
I'm happy to keep Mack. He's a good man. He's also a great CEO of the program and has surrounded himself with an increasingly talented coaching staff.

I think it's great then that there is no chance of either of us coveting the other's coach.

Bevo-Stevo
5/15/2006, 10:23 PM
rivals thinks hes favoring OU and as for the recruiting in texas...attention people..."rankings" are flukes. I mean yeah these kids going to whornland are gonna be good but they are not like heisman-mode or anything. Mack can go and try to get the best ranked players in the country but Stoops is looking at EACH target VERY carefully and notice he's just not trying to recruit every guy from the top 20 in texas or anything. He's targeting these guys for a specific reason and being ranked in the "top 20" in the state is NOT one of them
Wow....that's quite a spin job....perhaps your best yet. Of course, if all of these top rated players had the letters, "ou" next to them, you'd have spun it an entirely different way.

BASSooner
5/15/2006, 11:34 PM
Wow....that's quite a spin job....perhaps your best yet. Of course, if all of these top rated players had the letters, "ou" next to them, you'd have spun it an entirely different way.
Arn't you supposed to be back in your cage? Dean should ban you permanently because those puke orange glasses are attached to your face

Soonerwolf
5/16/2006, 11:43 AM
It's amazing how many SAXET fans and supporters need to toot thier own "whorn" on this, a rival's website. Is all this insecurity symbolic of other shortcomings besides thier football program?

BASSooner
5/31/2006, 12:23 AM
I've noticed some hornfans have payed attention to some of these threads on here and I have seen their responses. Attention hornfans.com. Want proof that high school rankings don't mean anything? Look at 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004. Yes I do not say 2005 because we brought in a freshly new team while you guys were to yall's fullest potential.

Chris Simms-one of the top players in the country, if not THE top player in the country out of high school. We made him look like crap.

Cedric Bensen-was supposed to be an unbelievable back. He had a great career with UT but did nothing against OU.

The FAKE Roy Williams-I wonder if he did anything against OU...

Derrick Johnson-great linebacker, but like the others, wasn't so well against OU

I won't mention VY because he was in this category for his first 2 years except for his last.

now for some no-name OU players

Q-OU was his only D1 scholarship offer. He broke school records and almost broke the all-time rushing record for OU and tore it up against saxet

Josh Heupel-no name juco out of utah. Won a championship at his 2nd year @ OU...how do you explain that? I admit, he wasn't the best QB but he had the brains like no other.

Derrick Strait-you guys didn't offer him, and humiliated you guys for payback

Mark Clayton-VERY small for a receiver at I think about 160 as a freshman but wow did he have one hell of a career at OU and look what he did to you guys in 2003...made your DBs look like nothin

Jason White-no name QB out of tuttle, OK. Saved OU in a couple of games, beat you guys by 52 points with crappy knees and took the sooners to 2 titles.

Here is my point
Texas brings in good talent

Oklahoma makes good talent

one difference...

Oklahoma USES talent, Texas does not(with the exception of VY and some of the D the year they won the title)

AustinTXHorn
5/31/2006, 12:46 AM
Derrick Johnson didn't do well against OU?

Did you actually watch? I'm not so sure you did.

BASSooner
5/31/2006, 12:55 AM
Derrick Johnson didn't do well against OU?

Did you actually watch? I'm not so sure you did.
actually i did. i was there at 03 and 04. I maybe had said he didnt do much. Maybe more of saying that he was the defense in 04 along with huff. 03, I saw the game...he was the dominant force and I didn't see him do much at all against us. He was great in 02 though. Other games...wouldn't know, didn't see him im just comparing OUr games together with OUr players.

BASSooner
5/31/2006, 01:09 AM
actually to come to remember it, derrick johnson was one of the only used talented players @ UT in those years. I apologize for misjudging him. He was the defense in 03 and 04

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
5/31/2006, 06:54 AM
stoops does his best recruiting when his back is against the wall, because his staff is forced to FIND players instead of going off of measureables. that has been a heck of a lot more successful for us than trying to take 5 out of the top 20 and watch 1 pan out. i sincerely doubt we'd offer a kid like mark clayton right now...

BASSooner
5/31/2006, 11:07 AM
I wish we could. We've had kids who were undersized, slow, and not mobile that have taken us to titles and won one and a heisman trophy. Who cares about how small someone is for that matter?

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
5/31/2006, 01:07 PM
humorously, clint ingram has always been described as "undersized" by venables. we've had some serious success with non-OL on the tail end of the texas 100 (clayton wasn't even on the texas top 100).

BASSooner
5/31/2006, 01:39 PM
yeah i find that ironic. Most of OUr OL that are in the NFL were not even OL to begin with out of high school

snp
5/31/2006, 05:29 PM
Derrick Johnson was a beast against us.


stoops does his best recruiting when his back is against the wall, because his staff is forced to FIND players instead of going off of measureables. that has been a heck of a lot more successful for us than trying to take 5 out of the top 20 and watch 1 pan out. i sincerely doubt we'd offer a kid like mark clayton right now...

What about Iglesias? His only other offer was UTEP.

TJKDone
5/31/2006, 05:47 PM
Well guys, we all know the saying when it comes to OU and Sexat....

"Bob Stoops and OU run a boot camp and Mack Brown runs a country club."

I think we should all start to notice just how successful Bob is going to be in the NCAA with winning Championships and sending good quality athletes to the pros. I mean, look at this year's team and subsequent draft....we go 8-4 and still send 5 in the draft and have 6 UDFA.

Those tejas boys sure didn't do what I think most people thought they would in the draft, at least when you read what these whore-n posters say.....tejas supposedly has the best front OL int he nation and they can't even send one in the first round??? OU had a 1st and 2nd and we struggled by most accounts........I guess NFL scouts and coaches like players that work hard for what they get and don't sit around waiting for someone to hand-feed it to them....

Either that or Mack got more out of what he had to work with:D

Hook'em

BASSooner
5/31/2006, 06:03 PM
Either that or Mack got more out of what he had to work with:D

Hook'em
maybe it's because texas actually worked this season

The Consumate Showman
5/31/2006, 06:16 PM
Either that or Mack got more out of what he had to work with:D

Hook'em


By doing less??:P

A once in a lifetime deal for Macky.....

Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em Hook 'em

SoonerJedi
6/4/2006, 03:29 PM
Either that or Mack got more out of what he had to work with:D

Hook'em


Perhaps a sane person might consider that if Mack Brown's teams haven't had a history of underacheiving. Considering how many top recruitting class' Brown has squandered, I don't think anyone will honestly argue that he's good at getting a lot out of what he has to work with.

75% of Texas' offense was one player ... that's how Mack Brown finally got over.

PlanOUred
6/4/2006, 05:18 PM
Herr....you say this system works well for you. Well, not in comparsion to what Stoops has done. He is 5-1 against tx the last six years. So, Stoops knows what he is doing. One reason your recruits are ranked high is they get that ranking BECAUSE they commit to Texas. Many of these recruits aren't ranked UNTIL they commit then they skyrocket up the list. OU will cherry pick Texas again this year....especially since they will only take five or six from Texas.....only 15 available ships or so. So it is easy to get the top recruits, ranking wise if they shoot up the charts BECAUSE of their commitment. That is a no loose situation for winning the ranking wars. Plus, you say Texas evaluates mostly from their Junior year....looks like that is almost exclusively what they evaluate from since their Senior year hasn't started yet....at least for most of your recruits. Some camps also, but nothing from their Senior year. As evidenced, not looking at their Senior year has its drawbacks. Lots of development during their Senior year. You also mention Paul Thompson and Young. Stoops was a little wrong on this, but not as much as you make it out. Young wasn't really a good QB until his last year and a half. He was terrible against OU except for his last year....see the shutout his next to last year. Big turnovers for two years in a row until this last year. His last year and a half he was good though....not Heisman good but good....good athlete.

Herr Scholz
6/5/2006, 09:32 AM
75% of Texas' offense was one player ... that's how Mack Brown finally got over.
60% of total rushing and passing yards were from Vince. We had 2,500 rushing yards from our RBs. You still have a point though.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/000_stats/05/teamcume.htm#TEAM.IND

Herr Scholz
6/5/2006, 09:39 AM
Herr....you say this system works well for you. Well, not in comparsion to what Stoops has done.
I count one national title for both coaches.


One reason your recruits are ranked high is they get that ranking BECAUSE they commit to Texas. Many of these recruits aren't ranked UNTIL they commit then they skyrocket up the list.
It's an inexact science, but we're getting the players everybody wants (7 of our current verbals were offered by Stoops). If you're making a recruiting list who are you going to rank higher, players offered by UT, OU, LSU and Notre Dame or the ones offered by TCU, SMU, Tulane and Houston?

What you can't claim is Mack waits until the lists come out to just pick the top ranked players. His staff makes their own decisions on players before they're ranked. There's probably some bias there in the rankings, but we're still getting top notch athletes. The Juniors they offer are the ones they think are can't miss (they're all just jumping at the UT scholly offers this year moreso than in years past). And this method worked well for us in the 2002 class that just won us a national title.

Big Red Ron
6/5/2006, 10:36 AM
I count one national title for both coaches.


National titles but I thought the head to head was all powerful to texans?

Herr Scholz
6/5/2006, 10:42 AM
National titles but I thought the head to head was all powerful to texans?
I thought Sooners scoffed at head to head stats? I thought it was all about the titles for you? If you like head to head stats, 56:39 is one. I've always said I'd prefer more titles to that one though.

PlanOUred
6/5/2006, 11:55 AM
I agree about Mack and the lists....at least lately. But actually I was saying the opposite. The lists are influenced by who Texas gets commits from. A lot of your commits weren't mentioned in initial lists but rather jumped dramatically after receiving offers from Texas. I think Mack used to recruit from lists...or at least it seemed when he first got to TX.

As for what Stoops is doing right....you mention on NC for both....and that is correct. But you forgot to mention that Mack is 1-5 the last six years. So, in comparsion what Stoops is doing is working significantly better than what Mack is doing....but he is doing a good job.....just not in comparsion to Stoops. Head to head he is significantly behind.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
6/5/2006, 11:56 AM
Derrick Johnson was a beast against us. What about Iglesias? His only other offer was UTEP.
i stand corrected.

Herr Scholz
6/5/2006, 12:46 PM
The lists are influenced by who Texas gets commits from. A lot of your commits weren't mentioned in initial lists but rather jumped dramatically after receiving offers from Texas.
My point is that their rankings don't come solely from Texas offering them, but rather the totality of quality offers each receives. Take a look at the list of UT's current 19 verbals below. If you click on the names, you can see that every single one has offers from other big time schools. Their lists of interested schools are all littered with the OUs, LSUs, Nebraskas, a&ms, Floridas and Notre Dames of the world. In fact, it's obvious that ND is trying to again make inroads in Texas recruiting by how many times they're listed on our recruits' pages.

Recruiting experts basically take their cue from all of these big schools. If everybody's interested in them, they must be good, right? And the 3 5-star players we currently have are beyond legit. They hang onto those 5-star rankings like gold.

http://texas.rivals.com/commitlist.asp

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
6/5/2006, 01:04 PM
My point is that their rankings don't come solely from Texas offering them, but rather [a combination of] the totality of quality offers each receives [and how much money that site brings into the network].
:twinkies:

why do them miss on guys going to bowling green, utah, or snow junior college? where is the money in looking at their film?

Herr Scholz
6/5/2006, 01:09 PM
why do them miss on guys going to bowling green, utah, or snow junior college? where is the money in looking at their film?
Yes, the recruiting guys make money on the large schools' fanbases. However, again, they're looking at the recruits all the big schools want. These gurus understand that the coaches at these schools know a little bit about talent. They take their cues from the recruits the big boys want.

They can't be knowledgeable about every single player out there. And some of these recruits' rankings get bumped up later simply because the gurus hadn't even seen them before.

jkm, the stolen pifwafwi
6/5/2006, 01:33 PM
They can't be knowledgeable about every single player out there. And some of these recruits' rankings get bumped up later simply because the gurus hadn't even seen them before.

some, but not to 5*s because those are "sacred". i have several issues with the "experts" rankings.

1. $$$$
2. film over live
3. changing their formulas EVERY year.
4. athletes over production

caphorns
6/5/2006, 02:55 PM
film over live

Do you propose that every scout in every program attend games for every top player? Even if they did how do you honestly compare kids who play against vastly differing levels of competition? It's not easy.

I think you can evaluate the film, along with the athleticism. But more important than that is knowing their HS coach (and the quality of said coach). That's what college coaching staffs around the country do to evaluate these guys. It just so happens that if the folks scouting for the recruiting services were better at this - they'd be gainfully employed by one of the top college football programs.

Thus I'd erase your list of 4 and say: "1. the evaluators are truly amateurs and sponges".

But I do think they get pretty close by riding piggy-back with the college coaches and the SPARQ ratings (thus putting a premium on "athleticism").

goingoneight
6/25/2006, 10:00 PM
I find it amazing that Texas ALREADY has 16 guys. Wow. They must have a lot of confidence in their talent evaluation...

Yeah, I wonder how good those RBs, QBs will be without some of their 2005 senior stars helping them... How good are those receivers nOObs at QB??? This is why regardless of how "far ahead" Mack is, I'm still glad Stoops evaluates talent before splurging to sign the first 5-star Junior...

The Consumate Showman
6/25/2006, 11:35 PM
Yeah, I wonder how good those RBs, QBs will be without some of their 2005 senior stars helping them... How good are those receivers nOObs at QB??? This is why regardless of how "far ahead" Mack is, I'm still glad Stoops evaluates talent before splurging to sign the first 5-star Junior...

Careful now. We will be going after Justin Johnson much like we did AD this coming year. He will be a junior at Gilmer HS this year and you can bet the farm that Gundy and others will be setting up shop in Gilmer, Tx. this year...other than that, though, I agree that it's a good thing that we wait and evaluate our talent thoroughly.

I also like the fact that OU is going after more of the in-state stars than we used to. It seems like when Lester was beating us and screwing up our NC hopes, he was doing it with teams with a lot of Oklahoma players on it whereas we had a lot of Tx and other state players that, IMO, didn't really get why okie light would conserve all of their energy for an entire season just to try and beat us. Now that we have more and more Ok kids, I think okie light is going to have much more difficulty beating us in future games...

Soonerfan1993
7/3/2006, 08:16 PM
Lester was doing it with Josh Fields and Rashawn Woods 2 guys who were SR's in HS when OU had John Blake as head coach.

Big John
7/7/2006, 10:30 AM
Since this is the Texas Top 100 thread...

Rivals Texas Top 100 (http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1542&Year=2007)

AustinTXHorn
7/9/2006, 05:37 AM
Yeah, I wonder how good those RBs, QBs will be without some of their 2005 senior stars helping them... How good are those receivers nOObs at QB??? This is why regardless of how "far ahead" Mack is, I'm still glad Stoops evaluates talent before splurging to sign the first 5-star Junior...
I'm trying to make some sense of this post.

OU had an offer out to at least eight of Texas' recruits. And on the statement that Mack splurges ahead of Stoops to sign the first five-star junior, OU offered all of Texas' five-star players this year.

Texas doesn't offer players any earlier or any later than anybody else does. Texas even puts out much less offers than 95% of schools around the country.

The only difference in what Mack does and what everyone else does is that he gets his offers to commit early. He isn't offering players any earlier than Stoops is.

The Consumate Showman
7/9/2006, 10:10 AM
I'm trying to make some sense of this post.

OU had an offer out to at least eight of Texas' recruits. And on the statement that Mack splurges ahead of Stoops to sign the first five-star junior, OU offered all of Texas' five-star players this year.

Texas doesn't offer players any earlier or any later than anybody else does. Texas even puts out much less offers than 95% of schools around the country.

The only difference in what Mack does and what everyone else does is that he gets his offers to commit early. He isn't offering players any earlier than Stoops is.


But then you get into the whole arguement that Mack sometimes makes kids feel uncomfortable with his "deadline to commit" thing he does. The rumor mill right now is that this technique has totally put Richetti Jones off of UT. I know not all players are this way, but it's still kind of a risky approach. Bob seems to want to try and make our recruits feel more like they can mull over their decision and we won't start freakin' out about their commitment until they actually commit. It seems to work at both places because OU and UT are always national powers the last few years....

Big Red Ron
7/9/2006, 10:13 AM
Wow, it's like there aren't any players in other states or sumthin'. :rolleyes:

Texas gets more texas players because they're texas.

We get more national player (not in texas) because we are OU.

Nevada, Colorado and California have been very good to the Sooners over Stoops tenure.

chbrew09
7/10/2006, 12:50 AM
I've come to this conclusion...I don't think it's really Mack that's good at recruiting...it's that Austin "green" if you know what i mean...and we've seen what that's done to ramonce taylor, cedric benson, and ricky...i'm glad that's not what we have to do to get the talent here

Desert Sapper
7/12/2006, 02:37 PM
The real reason UT has so many early recruits is obvious. They won the MNC last year! For the first time in 35+ years. Young highschool kids commit to a program based on what it did their JUNIOR year in highschool. What that means is that UT built itself some tremendous street cred with the championship over, of all people, USC, who we were horrendously embarrased by in the 2005 OB. Given that the championship was in the Rose Bowl, which just so happens to be the oldest bowl with the most prestige, and it was no surprise that nearly every great player in Texas (and really the country) wanted to jump on board. Texas, however, made a little mistake when they got verbals from all the best players in Texas. They had the potential to get verbals from the best players in the country, which is not the same thing, contrary to popular Texan mythology. Mack, through his deadline recruiting (which worked well for Barry in several notable instances), managed to wall in the scholly limit, preventing Texas from having the haul it could. Texas should have realized that they owned their own state, because they really have for the last 8 years (minus the class of 2004, that saw us nab the top two players in the state). They should have used the street cred they accumulated to obliterate the national scene. Fortunately for everyone, Texas remains a regional power (even though they nabbed QB John Brantley and the two TEs from out of state).

Herr Scholz
7/13/2006, 08:56 AM
They should have used the street cred they accumulated to obliterate the national scene.
UT's recruiting philosophy will always be to recruit Texas first. Period. Mack Brown's close ties to the high school coaches in this state have engratiated him more than any other UT coach since Darrell Royal. That's the way it's going to stay. We'll always cherry pick a handful of players from out of state every year, but only AFTER we've signed the Texas talent. That's just how it is.

And we showed that we could win it all with Texas talent. Only a few players on last year's team were from out of state.

Big Red Ron
7/13/2006, 11:10 AM
And we showed that we could win it all with Texas talent. Only a few players on last year's team were from out of state.You sure did! Well, lets all hope it takes another 35 years to prove your school's recruiting philosophy is right.

Herr Scholz
7/13/2006, 11:28 AM
You sure did! Well, lets all hope it takes another 35 years to prove your school's recruiting philosophy is right.
Stoops offered at least 8 of our current 2007 commits. I'd say we're doing something right. And I'd put Texas kids up against other states' any day of the week. There's a reason every coach and their dog recruits Texas.

Big Red Ron
7/13/2006, 11:59 AM
Stoops offered at least 8 of our current 2007 commits. I'd say we're doing something right. And I'd put Texas kids up against other states' any day of the week. There's a reason every coach and their dog recruits Texas.I'd take California, Florida, Georgia and Ohio as at least equal. Like I said, you keep on taking up most of Texas and a "handfull" of National recruits and hope it isn't another 35.

caphorns
7/13/2006, 12:35 PM
I'd take California, Florida, Georgia and Ohio as at least equal. Like I said, you keep on taking up most of Texas and a "handfull" of National recruits and hope it isn't another 35.

Georgia? Ohio? Get a grip. Not "at least" an equal or an equal of Texas. Check your stats and you'll find that Texas, Florida and Cali are the top spots and I think Louisiana may even be better than Georgia. Close call but neither have the depth of talent you find in the first 3 states. If you completely dominate any of these states (and particularly the top 3), you will be relevant on the national picture. Our downfall in the past has actually been the lack of focus of some of our coaches on developing a solid Texas pipeline. That problem is solved.

So this year, we not only dominate the top talent from the State of Texas (including the Top 6 offensive linemen when OU is looking for OL) but we also outrecruited UF for a Florida 5-star QB (who's father quarterbacked UF) despite already having verballed a Texas 5-star QB and we beat out USC, Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Arizona State for a HIGH 4-star TE. We're also on a short list (OSU, ND and Texas) for a 5-star DT from Michigan. Explain to me how we are getting the short end of the recruiting stick this year?

You might also take note that USC's dominant recruiting has also been mostly regional.

GDC
7/13/2006, 12:40 PM
There's more people in Cali, Texas, and Florida, so no ****, sherlock.

snp
7/13/2006, 01:25 PM
but we also outrecruited UF for a Florida 5-star QB (who's father quarterbacked UF) despite already having verballed a Texas 5-star QB

That's because Tebow is the QB of the future for Meyer's offense and could be a 3 year starter. And Chiles isn't a for sure thing at QB yet, and I don't see him playing it either. The kid is a stud, though.

caphorns
7/13/2006, 01:56 PM
That's because Tebow is the QB of the future for Meyer's offense and could be a 3 year starter. And Chiles isn't a for sure thing at QB yet, and I don't see him playing it either. The kid is a stud, though.

Actually I think it had more to do with NOT wanting to follow in his dad's legacy from all indications.

Neither Chiles nor Brantley are sure things. But Brantley could have written his ticket at a number of places with the way the guy has performed over the summer.

btw - I agree with you gdc. Population has everything to do with it (and year round football). So it's stupid to say Georgia and Ohio would be the equal of Texas for recruiting. Texas, CA and FL are THE key states. That's the first basis for understanding college football recruiting. That's why nearly all of our recruits had Notre Dame offers.

Herr Scholz
7/13/2006, 02:05 PM
That's why nearly all of our recruits had Notre Dame offers.
You can actually tie Notre Dame's demise from the point when they stopped getting big time Texas recruits in the early 90s. Weis is desperately trying to turn back the clock by recruiting Texas heavily.

The Consumate Showman
7/13/2006, 05:58 PM
You can actually tie Notre Dame's demise from the point when they stopped getting big time Texas recruits in the early 90s. Weis is desperately trying to turn back the clock by recruiting Texas heavily.


I hope Weis chokes on a bear claw in pre-games this year. What Chucky better start doing is learning how to play some D, otherwise, Brady is going to be on the outside looking in for the Heisman with a 2 or 3 loss team....

Big Red Ron
7/13/2006, 06:27 PM
You can actually tie Notre Dame's demise from the point when they stopped getting big time Texas recruits .That's okay, I'll let you. How many Texams on last year's team?

Herr Scholz
7/14/2006, 10:27 AM
That's okay, I'll let you. How many Texams on last year's team?
Notre Dame currently only has 6 Texans on their roster. Their defense blows BTW. No speed.

Desert Sapper
7/14/2006, 11:40 AM
Georgia? Ohio? Get a grip. Not "at least" an equal or an equal of Texas.

I'm pretty sure the intent of the statement was that we have successfully recruited Georgia, Ohio, California, and Florida (among others) in addition to Texas, and that this national recruiting effort for OU has been at least as good for us as (and at times better for us than) the regional recruiting UT has done.


Explain to me how we are getting the short end of the recruiting stick this year?

You aren't, and you likely never will with Mack at the helm. He is, if nothing else, an excellent recruiter (both of players and assistants). Texas, simply put, does not need to recruit out of state to maintain a high quality of talent. My point was not by any means that Texas will have a subpar class this year. The point that I was making was that Texas is not fully capitalizing on their recruiting potential and pulling the best players in the nation as opposed to the best players in the state (as I said before, there is a big difference in the depth and quality of talent nationally compared to regionally, even for Texas).

Chances are, UT has seen enough of the players in-state to know the quality of the people they are getting verbals from. National talent evaluation takes longer. It is still very early, but Texas is nearing capacity on this class. That isn't leaving them the option of seeking out better national players who blossom in their senior year.


You might also take note that USC's dominant recruiting has also been mostly regional.

Yes, because like Texas, California is a very deep and talented state for football recruits. They have, however, fielded significant out-of-state talent to include Dominique Byrd - TE (MN), Mike Williams - WR (FL), Lendale White - RB (CO), Dwayne Jarrett - WR (NJ), Fred Davis - TE/WR (OH), Taitusi Lutui - OT (AZ), Keith Rivers - LB (FL), Jeff Byers - C/G (CO), Brian Cushing - LB (NJ), Lofa Tatupu - LB (MA). They really do recruit nationally after they have secured their best in-staters. Petey is good about leaving enough room for after the summer and into the spring for the people they identify late, get verbals from late, or get from out-of-state.

The best teams out there pull out-of-state talent regardless of how much in-state talent they have. Texas, Florida, and California schools will always have primarily in-state players. That doesn't mean they have to stay exclusive.

caphorns
7/14/2006, 12:06 PM
I'm pretty sure the intent of the statement was that we have successfully recruited Georgia, Ohio, California, and Florida (among others) in addition to Texas, and that this national recruiting effort for OU has been at least as good for us as (and at times better for us than) the regional recruiting UT has done.



You aren't, and you likely never will with Mack at the helm. He is, if nothing else, an excellent recruiter (both of players and assistants). Texas, simply put, does not need to recruit out of state to maintain a high quality of talent. My point was not by any means that Texas will have a subpar class this year. The point that I was making was that Texas is not fully capitalizing on their recruiting potential and pulling the best players in the nation as opposed to the best players in the state (as I said before, there is a big difference in the depth and quality of talent nationally compared to regionally, even for Texas).

Chances are, UT has seen enough of the players in-state to know the quality of the people they are getting verbals from. National talent evaluation takes longer. It is still very early, but Texas is nearing capacity on this class. That isn't leaving them the option of seeking out better national players who blossom in their senior year.



Yes, because like Texas, California is a very deep and talented state for football recruits. They have, however, fielded significant out-of-state talent to include Dominique Byrd - TE (MN), Mike Williams - WR (FL), Lendale White - RB (CO), Dwayne Jarrett - WR (NJ), Fred Davis - TE/WR (OH), Taitusi Lutui - OT (AZ), Keith Rivers - LB (FL), Jeff Byers - C/G (CO), Brian Cushing - LB (NJ), Lofa Tatupu - LB (MA). They really do recruit nationally after they have secured their best in-staters. Petey is good about leaving enough room for after the summer and into the spring for the people they identify late, get verbals from late, or get from out-of-state.

The best teams out there pull out-of-state talent regardless of how much in-state talent they have. Texas, Florida, and California schools will always have primarily in-state players. That doesn't mean they have to stay exclusive.

There's no way we could land kids at USC's level right now. That program is the bar-setter.

And OU's bread and butter is still recruiting in Texas. It's obvious that it benefits us greatly to lock up a good portion of the best guys in this state.

snp
7/14/2006, 03:05 PM
You can actually tie Notre Dame's demise from the point when they stopped getting big time Texas recruits in the early 90s. Weis is desperately trying to turn back the clock by recruiting Texas heavily.

I think it has more to do with Lou Holtz demise, Bob Davie being a retard, and Ty having zero idea what to do with a team.

But yea, their talent went way down. Weis is bringing them back fast though.

Herr Scholz
7/14/2006, 03:54 PM
Weis is bringing them back fast though.
Watching the Domers get exposed yet again this season is one of things I look forward to most.

snp
7/14/2006, 05:03 PM
Well, they are probably going to have the best offense in the nation, so they are going to have some success.

I think they drop only 1 game. But with that defense, either MSU or USC could knock them off. They have a really easy schedule.

Also, why isn't UT offering Toliver? Seems like the kid is a lock for them.

Herr Scholz
7/17/2006, 09:22 AM
Also, why isn't UT offering Toliver? Seems like the kid is a lock for them.
We got Malcolm Williams at WR and John Chiles will probably end up playing there too. Don't know why, but Toliver was never high on Texas and we were never high on him.