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Okla-homey
5/7/2006, 04:41 AM
IMHO...

couldn't happen to a nicer guy...


The Slow Rot at Supermax

At Moussaoui's future home in Florence, Colo., inmates are reportedly not merely punished, but incapacitated and broken down.

By Richard A. Serrano
Published May 5, 2006

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Halfway through the trial, prison expert James E. Aiken looked straight at jurors and told them what Zacarias Moussaoui could expect if they sent him away for the rest of his life.

"I have seen them rot," he said. "They rot."

Aiken was describing what happens to the nation's highest-risk prisoners after they settle in at the federal government's maximum-security prison in Florence, Colo., known as Supermax.

Moussaoui was formally sentenced Thursday to life in prison after a federal jury rejected a death sentence for the admitted Sept. 11 conspirator.

Officials at the Federal Bureau of Prisons said that Moussaoui was destined for the facility high in the Colorado Rockies.

Already there is a veritable "bombers' row" — Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center blast; Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski; Terry L. Nichols, an accomplice in the Oklahoma City bombing; Richard Reid, the so-called shoe bomber who Moussaoui testified was to join him in another Al Qaeda hijacking; and Eric Rudolph, who bombed abortion clinics and the Atlanta Olympics.

All, like Moussaoui, are serving life without parole — spending their days in prison wings that are partly underground. They exist alone in soundproof cells as small as 7 feet by 12 feet, with a concrete-poured desk, bed and stool, a small shower and sink, and a TV that offers religious and anger-management programs.

They are locked down 23 hours a day.

Larry Homenick, a former U.S. marshal who has taken prisoners to Supermax, said that there was a small triangular recreation area, known as "the dog run," where solitary Supermax prisoners could occasionally get a glimpse of sky.

He said it was chilling to walk down the cellblocks and glance through the plexiglass "sally port" chambers into the cells and see the faces inside.

Life there is harsh. Food is delivered through a slit in the cell door. Prisoners don't leave their cells to see a lawyer, a doctor or a prison official; those visitors must go to the cell.

But prisoners can earn extra privileges, like a wider variety of television offerings, more exercise time and visitation rights, based on their behavior.

There are 1,400 remote-controlled steel doors. Motion detectors and hidden cameras monitor every move. The prison walls and razor-wired grounds are patrolled by laser beams and dogs.

The facility is filling up. Four hundred inmates are there now. There is room for 90 more.

Looking to restore order after a rash of prison violence at the federal maximum-security lockup in Marion, Ill. — the facility that replaced the notorious Alcatraz prison in San Francisco Bay — officials in 1983 put the prisoners on indefinite lockdown.

California was among the first states to copy the concept, opening super-secure units in Corcoran in 1988 and Pelican Bay in 1989.

The federal Supermax prison in Colorado was opened in November 1994. Nobody has escaped.

"We just needed a more secure facility," said Tracy Billingsley, a spokeswoman for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. "We needed to bring together the most dangerous, that required the most intense supervision, to one location."

In his trial testimony, Aiken said the whole point of Supermax was not just punishment, but "incapacitation."

There is no pretense that the prison is preparing the inmate for a return to society. Like the cellmate of the count of Monte Cristo who died an old, tired convict, Aiken said, "Moussaoui will deteriorate."

The inmate "is constantly monitored 24 hours a day, seven days a week," he said. "He will never get lost in a crowd because he would never be in a crowd."

Christopher Boyce, a convicted spy who was incarcerated at Supermax, left the prison about 100 miles south of Denver with no regret. "You're slowly hung," he once told The Times. "You're ground down. You can barely keep your sanity."

Bernard Kleinman, a New York lawyer who represented Yousef, called it "extraordinarily draconian punishment."

Moussaoui might be a household name today, "but 20 years from now, people will forget him," Kleinman said. "He will sit there all alone, and all forgotten."

Ron Kuby, another New York defense lawyer, has handled several East Coast "revolutionaries" who went on a killing spree, and a radical fundamentalist who killed a rabbi in 1990. All were brought to Supermax.

He thought Aiken's description that prisoners rot inside its walls was too kind.

"It's beyond rotting," he said. "Rotting at least implies a slow, gradual disintegration."

He said there were a lot of prisons where inmates rot, where the staff "plants you in front of your TV in your cell and you just grow there like a mushroom."

"But Supermax is worse," he said. "It's not just the hothouse for the mushrooms. It's designed in the end to break you down."

Flagstaffsooner
5/7/2006, 05:36 AM
and a TV that offers religious programs.

That's cruel and unusual punishment.:D

King Crimson
5/7/2006, 05:44 AM
That's cruel and unusual punishment.:D

not as cruel as self-help TV.

FWIW, Florence isn't "high in the Rocky Mountains" to my recollect. it's southeast of Canon City. makes it sound like it's some fortress in the sky. though, for hiking, camping, and mountaineering, southern and southwest Colorado rule mightily over the northen part of the Rockies--a la Summit County, Vail, etc.

etouffee
5/7/2006, 05:45 AM
Meh. If they wanted to break the guy down, they'd make him listen to Rob Thomas' solo album over and over for the rest of his life.

King Crimson
5/7/2006, 05:46 AM
Meh. If they wanted to break the guy down, they'd make him listen to Rob Thomas' solo album over and over for the rest of his life.

LOL.

jk the sooner fan
5/7/2006, 10:06 AM
i'd pay money to watch a video of all those jailbirds put in the same room to converse with each other....would be fun

jacru
5/7/2006, 07:09 PM
I still wish we'd off the guy.
More prisons should be a place you'd rather die than go to.

walkoffsooner
5/7/2006, 07:13 PM
I hopes he drops to his knee's and ask's god for forgiveness.

JohnnyMack
5/7/2006, 07:31 PM
How come after 5 years the only Al Qaida member we've brought to trial over 09/11 is a low level operative with a relatively thin link to the plot itself?

GottaHavePride
5/7/2006, 07:32 PM
Um, the rest of them all died in plane crashes?

TopDaugIn2000
5/7/2006, 07:37 PM
Already there is a veritable "bombers' row" — Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center blast; Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski; Terry L. Nichols, an accomplice in the Oklahoma City bombing; Richard Reid, the so-called shoe bomber who Moussaoui testified was to join him in another Al Qaeda hijacking; and Eric Rudolph, who bombed abortion clinics and the Atlanta Olympics.

I know they are monitored and stuff, but it still makes me a bit worried that all those bombers are in one spot!!

Stanley1
5/7/2006, 07:41 PM
Um, the rest of them all died in plane crashes?

Seemed obvious to me. The rest of them are over dying in the war.

jk the sooner fan
5/7/2006, 07:44 PM
Seemed obvious to me. The rest of them are over dying in the war.
yeah i was able to get that too......

seems we have a "few" locked up in GITMO

StoopTroup
5/7/2006, 07:56 PM
http://www.slamdance.com/2003/images/film_photos/Gallery/SUPERMAXWISCONSIN%20copy.jpg

jacru
5/7/2006, 07:58 PM
How come after 5 years the only Al Qaida member we've brought to trial over 09/11 is a low level operative with a relatively thin link to the plot itself?
You don't bring people to trial for acts of war. You go to war with them.
Did we bring to trial the Japanese pilots that attacked Pearl Harbor?

Jerk
5/7/2006, 08:34 PM
You don't bring people to trial for acts of war. You go to war with them.
Did we bring to trial the Japanese pilots that attacked Pearl Harbor?

Amen. I'm more happy about the ones that dead now.

BoogercountySooner
5/7/2006, 08:42 PM
Inside Supermax will be on Court TV this week!

Skysooner
5/7/2006, 09:07 PM
not as cruel as self-help TV.

FWIW, Florence isn't "high in the Rocky Mountains" to my recollect. it's southeast of Canon City. makes it sound like it's some fortress in the sky. though, for hiking, camping, and mountaineering, southern and southwest Colorado rule mightily over the northen part of the Rockies--a la Summit County, Vail, etc.

Florence is no higher than Denver as I recall. I did my geology field camp in Canon City, and I seem to remember Florence was around 5000' or so.

leavingthezoo
5/7/2006, 09:14 PM
at least he won't get to console himself by claiming martyrdom, i guess. i bet by the end he'd be willing to settle for 70 virgin sheep. i'm just sayin'...

maybe even 70 sloppy second sheep.

StoopTroup
5/7/2006, 09:16 PM
There is one thing I think the French did right.

http://walledlake.k12.mi.us/wlchs/teachers/samal/whist/student/guillotine.jpg

jacru
5/7/2006, 09:26 PM
There is one thing I think the French did right.

http://walledlake.k12.mi.us/wlchs/teachers/samal/whist/student/guillotine.jpg
Oui, madame guillotine!

JohnnyMack
5/8/2006, 08:31 AM
yeah i was able to get that too......

seems we have a "few" locked up in GITMO

Then why not bring them to trial? Why not let them face a trial for their actions? Yusef was brought to trial, Moussaoui too, why not the guys at Gitmo?

BeetDigger
5/8/2006, 08:56 AM
IMHO...

couldn't happen to a nicer guy...



In five to ten years, I wonder if he will feel that "he won"? America won - it's our justice system that was employed. And he lost since he gets to sit there and be forgotten. Death would have brought more noteriety to him Instead, in 30 years when he dies it will be just a footnote, at most, in a newpaper article.

jk the sooner fan
5/8/2006, 09:01 AM
Then why not bring them to trial? Why not let them face a trial for their actions? Yusef was brought to trial, Moussaoui too, why not the guys at Gitmo?

because we're waiting on a supreme court ruling on exactly how they are to be tried

Bush just this weekend said he wanted to close GITMO and bring them all to trial, and as soon as SCOTUS rules on the legality of the military tribunals (or illegality), then they'll start moving in that direction

JohnnyMack
5/8/2006, 03:14 PM
because we're waiting on a supreme court ruling on exactly how they are to be tried

Bush just this weekend said he wanted to close GITMO and bring them all to trial, and as soon as SCOTUS rules on the legality of the military tribunals (or illegality), then they'll start moving in that direction

If the SCOTUS rules that they can't try them in a MT, will they ever be tried in a U.S. Court?

Vaevictis
5/8/2006, 03:16 PM
You don't bring people to trial for acts of war. You go to war with them.
Did we bring to trial the Japanese pilots that attacked Pearl Harbor?

... heh, actually, you go to war with them *and* you bring them to trial. :) You've heard of Nuremberg, yes? And there were Japanese counterparts also.

As far as actual trials resulting from Pearl Harbor are concerned... my guess would be zero, or very close to it, mostly due to the dearth of captured pilots.

It's not like Pearl Harbor was a resoundingly successfull military operation on our part, so there probably weren't too many captured pilots resulting from it, especially given the Japanese disposition to prefer death to capture.

And as far as going and getting them after the war... there probably weren't any surviving Japanese Pearl Harbor vets towards the end. IIRC, a lack of veteran pilots on their part had a lot to do with our ability to establish air superiority towards the end of the war (along with the loss of four carriers at Midway).