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[OklahomaTuba]

This is a great news story. It shows how f**ked up and delusional these asshats are.

I don't think there is anyway we AREN'T going to disarm them at this point. And I am not looking forward to the intifada against us that will result, given how porus our border is. :(


Iran said it could defeat any American military action over its controversial nuclear drive, in one of the Islamic regime's boldest challenges yet to the United States.


"The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat," Ahmadinejad told the gathering of regime officials, visiting Palestinian militant leaders and foreign sympathizers.

"Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated," said Ahmadinejad, whose regime does not recognise Israel and who drew international condemnation last year when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

Unfazed by his critics, the hardliner went on to repeat his controversial stance on the Holocaust.

"If there is serious doubt over the Holocaust, there is no doubt over the catastrophe and Holocaust being faced by the Palestinians," said the president, who had previously dismissed as a "myth" the killing of an estimated six million Jews by the Nazis and their allies during World War II.

"I tell the governments who support Zionism to ... let the migrants (Jews) return to their countries of origin. If you think you owe them something, give them some of your land," he said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/15/060415084241.xdv0o3w3.html

[StoopTroup]

I saw your post at 1:16 am where you said you were drunk.

How ya feeling now?

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66983

[OklahomaTuba]

Just fine! I don't seem to have hangovers, so its great. Think I will do it again tonight as well, since its easter and all.

[StoopTroup]

Happy Easter!

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[yermom]

i'm still not sure why we didn't just give the Jews East Germany

[colleyvillesooner]

Just fine! I don't seem to have hangovers, so its great. Think I will do it again tonight as well, since its easter and all.

Nothing says I love Jesus like getting ****face! ;)

[OklahomaTuba]

Amen my brother, amen.

[JohnnyMack]

i'm still not sure why we didn't just give the Jews East Germany

Does Condi have your cell phone number?

[Scott D]

I thought this topic was about william favor's fuse related to Katie Couric speaking at commencement ;)

[colleyvillesooner]

heh

[yermom]

Does Condi have your cell phone number?

:confused:

[jacru]

what time is it?

[JohnnyMack]

:confused:

What? I figured with your geo-political wisdom that surely she must have you on her speed dial. :P

[Okla-homey]

i'm still not sure why we didn't just give the Jews East Germany

Because communist mobster Joe Stalin and his band of atheistic thugs pwn3d East Germany at the time slappy. Sheesh, did they teach you anything in HS history class?;)

[JohnnyMack]

Because communist mobster Joe Stalin and his band of atheistic thugs pwn3d East Germany at the time slappy. Sheesh, did they teach you anything in HS history class?;)

A kind of reward for us not having to send our boys into Berlin, no?

[Okla-homey]

A kind of reward for us not having to send our boys into Berlin, no?

Our guys were chomping at the bit to take Berlin but were slowed by the adminstration in order to let the Russkies have the privilege. It was all sorted out at the Yalta Conference I seem to recall.

[JohnnyMack]

Our guys were chomping at the bit to take Berlin but were slowed by the adminstration in order to let the Russkies have the privilege. It was all sorted out at the Yalta Conference I seem to recall.

Well yeah, but didn't it cost Mother Russia about 75k or 100k of her sons? My point was that we all knew that the Nazis would fall, we also knew that Germany was going to be carved up, we also knew that Russia was going to want (and had most certainly earned) its share. So what was really the point of sacrificing that many of our soldiers?

[Desert Sapper]

Our guys were chomping at the bit to take Berlin but were slowed by the adminstration in order to let the Russkies have the privilege. It was all sorted out at the Yalta Conference I seem to recall.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, concludes the history lesson which culminated in George S. Patton, Jr. suggesting that by allowing the Soviets into Berlin 'we have failed the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!' He was not a big fan of the Communist enterprise. His comments were not well-received.

[yermom]

ok, all of West Germany might be a little extreme, but you could have carved out an area for them that was twice the size of Israel that would have been a lot less contested

if they wanted to later try to take back "the holy land" and start another Crusade, that would be their business ;)

my main point is that it seems that the ME Arabs got punished for the Germans' atrocities and we stuck ourselves in the middle of a lot of conflict trying support the Jews in a pretty precarious place

[Desert Sapper]

if they wanted to later try to take back "the holy land" and start another Crusade, that would be their business ;)



They did. We just told them it was okay. The Palestinians (ie; Jordanians, Saudis, Egyptians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.) were waiting when the boats got there, but they were just as incompetent then as they are now.


Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly on November 29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_29), 1947 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947), David Ben-Gurion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion) tentatively accepted the partition, while the Arab League rejected it. Several Arab attacks on Jewish civilians soon turned into widespread fighting between Arabs and Jews, this civil war being the first "phase" of the 1948 War of Independence.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel)

[yermom]

that was still sanctioned by the UN though

i had heard some about the fighting they had done over that land, but i had no idea about this:


Immediately following the declaration of the State of Israel, Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian, and Lebanese forces invaded the newly formed state on all fronts. ... Israel eventually repelled the attacking armies, and then advanced its forces to occupy some of the territory set aside under the Partition Plan for the Arabs and for the City of Jerusalem.The 1948-49 war of independence resulted in a 50% increase in Israeli territory, including western Jerusalem.

no wonder they are still ****ed at them :D

[Okla-homey]

Well yeah, but didn't it cost Mother Russia about 75k or 100k of her sons? My point was that we all knew that the Nazis would fall, we also knew that Germany was going to be carved up, we also knew that Russia was going to want (and had most certainly earned) its share. So what was really the point of sacrificing that many of our soldiers?

Historians of the period are virtually unanimous that the nazi's fought harder vs. Russians in '44 and '45 than they did the western allies because they knew the Russians did NOT feel constrained by the Geneva Convention protocols for treatment of PW's.

That, and the fact the Russians raped and murdered civilians waaaay more than we, the Brits or the Canadians did.

IOW, it wouldn't have cost us nearly the number of lives it cost the Red Army to accomplish the same military objectives in the eastern Reich or in the capture of Berlin. That's not a theory, that's fact.

[Okla-homey]

that was still sanctioned by the UN though

i had heard some about the fighting they had done over that land, but i had no idea about this:



no wonder they are still ****ed at them :D

c'mon yermom.You're smarter than that. the Arab states attacked Israel with the goal of annihilation of the nascent Jewish state. The Israelis did exactly what I would have done under the circumstances. They repelled the attacks, and then established a buffer zone between Israel and the hostile states so they could "trade space for time" and repel subsequent attacks. That just makes good military sense.

[yermom]

i'm not blaming them at all for fighting them back and taking more territory, i'm just saying i didn't know it

i'm saying it was a little silly to sanction them setting things up like that in the first place

[Okla-homey]

i'm not blaming them at all for fighting them back and taking more territory, i'm just saying i didn't know it

i'm saying it was a little silly to sanction them setting things up like that in the first place

It depends on your perspective I guess. Personally, I believe the land of Israel belongs to the Jews and Jerusalem is its capitol. The way I see it, the post-WWII assignemnt of Palestine to the Jews was simply righting a great historic wrong.

[Octavian]

shoulda given em Idaho...


it wouldn't have cost us nearly the number of lives it cost the Red Army to accomplish the same military objectives in the eastern Reich or in the capture of Berlin. That's not a theory, that's fact.

thats true...but Russia probably deserved the right to sack Berlin after enduring the Eastern front attrocities for 5 years...and though many criticize FDR for being weak at Yalta, what other choice did he have?

The Red Army was on the ground...and on the move. Stalin wanted a buffer zone of his own to prevent another German invasion in the future...and there was no need to sacrifice men taking Berlin when the Pacific Theatre wasn't won yet. I'd say letting the Ruskies fight it out in the streets of Berlin was the right call.

[yermom]

It depends on your perspective I guess. Personally, I believe the land of Israel belongs to the Jews and Jerusalem is its capitol. The way I see it, the post-WWII assignemnt of Palestine to the Jews was simply righting a great historic wrong.

let's hope that doesn't to us anytime soon ;)

[Okla-homey]

let's hope that doesn't to us anytime soon ;)

Indian Casinos...getting even with palefaces one paycheck at a time.:D

[Octavian]

Reconquista ;)

[Scott D]

It depends on your perspective I guess. Personally, I believe the land of Israel belongs to the Jews and Jerusalem is its capitol. The way I see it, the post-WWII assignemnt of Palestine to the Jews was simply righting a great historic wrong.

interesting....vera vera interesting.

[OklahomaTuba]

The Hewbrews were there long before any muslims were. And that is a fact.

[royalfan5]

At one point there was a plan to establish a Jewish homeland in Africa, Uganda I believe to be precise. Also it isn't like there weren't any Jewish folk in Palestine prior to 1947, the influxed just really picked up speed at that time. There was already a significant Jewish population prior to that.

[sanantoniosooner]

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[Zbird]

I say let 'em flip a coin. Loser has to move to west Texas. Winner stays in the Israeli desert. Both reasonably worthless property.

[JohnnyMack]

IOW, it wouldn't have cost us nearly the number of lives it cost the Red Army to accomplish the same military objectives in the eastern Reich or in the capture of Berlin. That's not a theory, that's fact.

Based on what? Now I agree the Russians were much more ambivilent when it came to casualties, but let's say the Russians hold back and allow us to push on Berlin. How many casualties are we talking then? 25k, 35k? Given that the Nazis were going to fall and that we knew how the Russians treated their people, why would we push on Berlin? Why not let Russia do it? The spoils of war weren't going to be any different regardless of who entered the Reich Chancellory first. IMHO of course.

[jacru]

Politicians always screw up a good war.;)

[GulfCoastBamaFan]

The Germans and the Russians had fought wars before. Many, many times before. The atrocities suffered by both sides are remembered not in terms of decades, but in terms of millenia. When the Conference of Yalta resulted in letting the Russians take Berlin, both the Brits and the Yanks knew that it would be a war of attrition. In fact, they hoped for it. They wanted both sides to bleed themselves dry, and they damned near did.

I don't think the official death toll even comes close to what was actually incurred. Even the Holocaust figure of six million is drastically understated when you include expatriates from the Eastern European states, the Balkans and the Baltics. Some estimates place the tally of the Holocaust at 13 million or more. Many of the people in that tally were of Russian descent or kindreds. So the Russians had a blood feud to settle with the Nazis.

We knew that.

And we hoped it would result in a severely weakened Russian state. We guessed wrong and it took another 50 years to accomplish what the eastern front couldn't.

[Octavian]

...the Holocaust figure of six million...

that figure is just Jews.